Icon Confusion

[HN@invalid.com]

This is Win98se
For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example, I
have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts
file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon from
"Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program
instead of the notepad icon.

The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other
extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the
..jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.

Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I
fix it?

Thanks
HN

 

[Bill in Co.]

Why don't you try deleting the ShellconCache file (for the icons) in the
windows folder, then power off the computer, and then turn it back on again
in a few seconds to force a clean rebuilding of the icon cache. The
assumption here being that either the cache has gotten a bit corrupted
and/or has reached its limit in filesize and needs to be rebuilt. Either
way, you have little to lose by trying it, as the ShellconCache file will be
rebuilt.

HN@invalid.com wrote:
> This is Win98se
> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example, I
> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts
> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon from
> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program
> instead of the notepad icon.
>
> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other
> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the
> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.
>
> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I
> fix it?
>
> Thanks
> HN

 

[lb]

On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:
> This is Win98se
> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example, I
> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts
> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon from
> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program
> instead of the notepad icon.
>
> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other
> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the
> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.
>
> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I
> fix it?
>
> Thanks
> HN

If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the
icons.

Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can delete
it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.

You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.
Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any
of these.

Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly
shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache
from being rewritten properly.

 

[Bill in Co.]

lb wrote:
> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:
>> This is Win98se
>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example, I
>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts
>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon from
>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program
>> instead of the notepad icon.
>>
>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other
>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the
>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.
>>
>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I
>> fix it?
>>
>> Thanks
>> HN
>
> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the
> icons.
>
> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can delete
> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.

Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds later, and
you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).

> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.
> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any
> of these.
>
> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly
> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache
> from being rewritten properly.

Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut for
shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different than a reboot.
When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt until the second shut down
or reboot, whichever you choose, no matter how you get it to that point.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> lb wrote:
>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:
>>> This is Win98se
>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example, I
>>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts
>>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon from
>>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program
>>> instead of the notepad icon.
>>>
>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other
>>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the
>>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.
>>>
>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I
>>> fix it?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> HN
>>
>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the
>> icons.
>>
>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can delete
>> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.
>
> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds later,
> and
> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).
>
>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.
>> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any
>> of these.
>>
>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly
>> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache
>> from being rewritten properly.
>
> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut for
> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).
>
>

 

[Bill in Co.]

It IS different, because it doesn't require TWO warm reboots. Just one
cold reboot.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different than a
reboot.
> When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt until the second shut
down
> or reboot, whichever you choose, no matter how you get it to that point.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> lb wrote:
>>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:
>>>> This is Win98se
>>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example, I
>>>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts
>>>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon from
>>>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program
>>>> instead of the notepad icon.
>>>>
>>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other
>>>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the
>>>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.
>>>>
>>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I
>>>> fix it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> HN
>>>
>>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the
>>> icons.
>>>
>>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can delete
>>> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.
>>
>> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds later,
>> and
>> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).
>>
>>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.
>>> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any
>>> of these.
>>>
>>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly
>>> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache
>>> from being rewritten properly.
>>
>> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut for
>> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Bull. A "warm" reboot is not a full Restart, if that's what you mean, but a
full reboot (one that isn't like the Win95 "soft" or "warm" reboot) is the
equivalent of shutting down and restarting. Yes, it's possible to do a soft
restart in Windows 98, but it isn't supported and is advised against. You
certainly aren't doing that when you click Start>Shutdown>Restart.

And no, a single shutdown and restart will not rebuild the ShellIconCache,
not until the next time you shut down (and you won't see it until you start
it again.) From the time you delete the file, it requires two restarts to
see it again, whether you use Shutdown>Restart or Shutdown and manually
restart.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
.
"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:es6vEtF5HHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> It IS different, because it doesn't require TWO warm reboots. Just one
> cold reboot.
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different than a
> reboot.
>> When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt until the second shut
> down
>> or reboot, whichever you choose, no matter how you get it to that point.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> lb wrote:
>>>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:
>>>>> This is Win98se
>>>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example, I
>>>>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts
>>>>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon from
>>>>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program
>>>>> instead of the notepad icon.
>>>>>
>>>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other
>>>>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the
>>>>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I
>>>>> fix it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> HN
>>>>
>>>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the
>>>> icons.
>>>>
>>>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can delete
>>>> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.
>>>
>>> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds later,
>>> and
>>> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).
>>>
>>>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.
>>>> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any
>>>> of these.
>>>>
>>>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly
>>>> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache
>>>> from being rewritten properly.
>>>
>>> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut for
>>> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).
>
>

 

[Bill in Co.]

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Bull. A "warm" reboot is not a full Restart, if that's what you mean, but
a
> full reboot (one that isn't like the Win95 "soft" or "warm" reboot) is the
> equivalent of shutting down and restarting. Yes, it's possible to do a
soft
> restart in Windows 98, but it isn't supported and is advised against. You
> certainly aren't doing that when you click Start>Shutdown>Restart.

OK, but I was trying to distinguish between simply rebooting vs shutting
down and powering up again, and there sure is a difference there! So I
don't know what the right terms are then. (Forget "warm reboot", then - my
bad). Maybe one is just called "rebooting", and the other has to be
laboriously callled "powering up from a cold start", and that's all you can
call it.

> And no, a single shutdown and restart will not rebuild the ShellIconCache,
> not until the next time you shut down (and you won't see it until you
start
> it again.)

Well, then I musta misrembered this, as I had thought that when I deleted
the cache and turned the computer off and then on again, the cache *was*
formed and there on the HD (as seen in windows explorer). But maybe
you're right and it still takes a reboot even after that. I can't recall
for certain.

> From the time you delete the file, it requires two restarts to
> see it again, whether you use Shutdown>Restart or Shutdown and manually
> restart.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
> .
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:es6vEtF5HHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> It IS different, because it doesn't require TWO warm reboots. Just
one
>> cold reboot.
>>
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different than a
reboot.
>>> When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt until the second shut
down
>>> or reboot, whichever you choose, no matter how you get it to that point.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> www.grystmill.com
>>>
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> lb wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:
>>>>>> This is Win98se
>>>>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example,
I
>>>>>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts
>>>>>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon
from
>>>>>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program
>>>>>> instead of the notepad icon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other
>>>>>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the
>>>>>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I
>>>>>> fix it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> HN
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the
>>>>> icons.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can delete
>>>>> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.
>>>>
>>>> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds later,
>>>> and
>>>> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).
>>>>
>>>>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.
>>>>> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any
>>>>> of these.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly
>>>>> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache
>>>>> from being rewritten properly.
>>>>
>>>> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut for
>>>> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Just to clarify (and to correct my own mistakes in terminology): There are
three ways to restart a Windows 98 or 95 computer.

1. Shutdown, and then restart the machine manually.
2. Restart or Reboot, which does the same as above except you don't have to
press any button to restart.
3. So-called "Warm" or "Soft" restart (not reboot), which only restarts
Windows, while DOS remains resident. Common in Win95, and supported in
Win98, mostly for those apps from 95 days that would perform such a restart
as part of Setup. Yes, it's possible to manually do it in Win98, but I
forget how.

As for the ShellIconCache issue, you have Win98 in front of you (I don't).
Why don't you test? Won't hurt anything.

Also, there's a fix for increasing the size of the ShellIconCache. Also
creates an item in Folder Options that allows you to choose what size. Here
it is:
http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.php#icons

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%23FaxT%23F5HHA.5844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> Bull. A "warm" reboot is not a full Restart, if that's what you mean, but
> a
>> full reboot (one that isn't like the Win95 "soft" or "warm" reboot) is
>> the
>> equivalent of shutting down and restarting. Yes, it's possible to do a
> soft
>> restart in Windows 98, but it isn't supported and is advised against. You
>> certainly aren't doing that when you click Start>Shutdown>Restart.
>
> OK, but I was trying to distinguish between simply rebooting vs shutting
> down and powering up again, and there sure is a difference there! So I
> don't know what the right terms are then. (Forget "warm reboot", then -
> my
> bad). Maybe one is just called "rebooting", and the other has to be
> laboriously callled "powering up from a cold start", and that's all you
> can
> call it.
>
>> And no, a single shutdown and restart will not rebuild the
>> ShellIconCache,
>> not until the next time you shut down (and you won't see it until you
> start
>> it again.)
>
> Well, then I musta misrembered this, as I had thought that when I deleted
> the cache and turned the computer off and then on again, the cache *was*
> formed and there on the HD (as seen in windows explorer). But maybe
> you're right and it still takes a reboot even after that. I can't
> recall
> for certain.
>
>> From the time you delete the file, it requires two restarts to
>> see it again, whether you use Shutdown>Restart or Shutdown and manually
>> restart.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>> .
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:es6vEtF5HHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> It IS different, because it doesn't require TWO warm reboots. Just
> one
>>> cold reboot.
>>>
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different than a
> reboot.
>>>> When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt until the second shut
> down
>>>> or reboot, whichever you choose, no matter how you get it to that
>>>> point.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> www.grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> lb wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:
>>>>>>> This is Win98se
>>>>>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example,
> I
>>>>>>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts
>>>>>>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon
> from
>>>>>>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program
>>>>>>> instead of the notepad icon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other
>>>>>>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the
>>>>>>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> fix it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> HN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the
>>>>>> icons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can delete
>>>>>> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds
>>>>> later,
>>>>> and
>>>>> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.
>>>>>> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any
>>>>>> of these.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly
>>>>>> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache
>>>>>> from being rewritten properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut
>>>>> for
>>>>> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).
>
>

 

[00000000000@_______.com]

It's ShelliconCache

Thats why I could not find it......


On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:25:59 -0600, "Bill in Co."
<not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Why don't you try deleting the ShellconCache file (for the icons) in the
>windows folder, then power off the computer, and then turn it back on again
>in a few seconds to force a clean rebuilding of the icon cache. The
>assumption here being that either the cache has gotten a bit corrupted
>and/or has reached its limit in filesize and needs to be rebuilt. Either
>way, you have little to lose by trying it, as the ShellconCache file will be
>rebuilt.
>
>HN@invalid.com wrote:
>> This is Win98se
>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example, I
>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts
>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon from
>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program
>> instead of the notepad icon.
>>
>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other
>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the
>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.
>>
>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I
>> fix it?
>>
>> Thanks
>> HN
>

 

[Bill in Co.]

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Just to clarify (and to correct my own mistakes in terminology): There are
> three ways to restart a Windows 98 or 95 computer.
>
> 1. Shutdown, and then restart the machine manually.
> 2. Restart or Reboot, which does the same as above except you don't have
to
> press any button to restart.

I don't think it does exactly the same thing. That is, rebooting the
computer while it is on, vs turning it off and starting it up again, are NOT
the same thing (unless I'm missing something). The second method of
shutting the computer completely down and then turning it on again is more
complete, as nothing is left anywhere in any RAM memory location,
whatsoever. No vestiges of any code or any data remain that way.

> 3. So-called "Warm" or "Soft" restart (not reboot), which only restarts
> Windows, while DOS remains resident. Common in Win95, and supported in
> Win98, mostly for those apps from 95 days that would perform such a
restart
> as part of Setup. Yes, it's possible to manually do it in Win98, but I
> forget how.

OK. I'm probably remembering the warm vs cold reboot stuff from some
really old computer. Or maybe I'm thinking of doing Ctrl-Alt-Del, vs
hitting the hardware reset switch on this computer (there is some difference
in those two reboots, the hardware reset one being a bit more thorough, and
one that almost always works and rarely hangs up).

> As for the ShellIconCache issue, you have Win98 in front of you (I don't).
> Why don't you test? Won't hurt anything.

Too lazy this time (did it not all that long ago anyways), and it takes a
few moments to rebuild all the icons again. Besides which, he's probably
already done it.

> Also, there's a fix for increasing the size of the ShellIconCache. Also
> creates an item in Folder Options that allows you to choose what size.
Here
> it is:
> http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.php#icons
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%23FaxT%23F5HHA.5844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> Bull. A "warm" reboot is not a full Restart, if that's what you mean,
but a
>>> full reboot (one that isn't like the Win95 "soft" or "warm" reboot) is
>>> the
>>> equivalent of shutting down and restarting. Yes, it's possible to do a
soft
>>> restart in Windows 98, but it isn't supported and is advised against.
You
>>> certainly aren't doing that when you click Start>Shutdown>Restart.
>>
>> OK, but I was trying to distinguish between simply rebooting vs shutting
>> down and powering up again, and there sure is a difference there! So
I
>> don't know what the right terms are then. (Forget "warm reboot", then -
>> my
>> bad). Maybe one is just called "rebooting", and the other has to be
>> laboriously callled "powering up from a cold start", and that's all you
>> can
>> call it.
>>
>>> And no, a single shutdown and restart will not rebuild the
>>> ShellIconCache,
>>> not until the next time you shut down (and you won't see it until you
start
>>> it again.)
>>
>> Well, then I musta misrembered this, as I had thought that when I deleted
>> the cache and turned the computer off and then on again, the cache *was*
>> formed and there on the HD (as seen in windows explorer). But maybe
>> you're right and it still takes a reboot even after that. I can't
>> recall
>> for certain.
>>
>>> From the time you delete the file, it requires two restarts to
>>> see it again, whether you use Shutdown>Restart or Shutdown and manually
>>> restart.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> www.grystmill.com
>>> .
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:es6vEtF5HHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> It IS different, because it doesn't require TWO warm reboots. Just
one
>>>> cold reboot.
>>>>
>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>> Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different than a
>>>>> reboot. When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt until the
second
>>>>> shut down or reboot, whichever you choose, no matter how you get it to
>>>>> that point.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>> www.grystmill.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> lb wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> This is Win98se
>>>>>>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For
example, I
>>>>>>>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts
>>>>>>>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon
from
>>>>>>>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another
program
>>>>>>>> instead of the notepad icon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other
>>>>>>>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the
>>>>>>>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> fix it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> HN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the
>>>>>>> icons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can
delete
>>>>>>> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds
>>>>>> later,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.
>>>>>>> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any
>>>>>>> of these.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly
>>>>>>> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache
>>>>>>> from being rewritten properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).

 

[dadiOH]

Bill in Co. wrote:

> I don't think it does exactly the same thing. That is, rebooting
> the computer while it is on, vs turning it off and starting it up
> again, are NOT the same thing (unless I'm missing something).

The only difference is that the machine is off until you push the
power button.
_________________

> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and then
> turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left anywhere
> in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of any code
> or any data remain that way.

What possible difference would it make?


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[Bill in Co.]

dadiOH wrote:
> Bill in Co. wrote:
>
>> I don't think it does exactly the same thing. That is, rebooting
>> the computer while it is on, vs turning it off and starting it up
>> again, are NOT the same thing (unless I'm missing something).
>
> The only difference is that the machine is off until you push the
> power button.
> _________________

Not true. That's not the "only difference".

>> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and then
>> turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left anywhere
>> in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of any code
>> or any data remain that way.
>
> What possible difference would it make?

It can, if there is some errant code running.

>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:35:28 -0400, "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Bill in Co. wrote:
>
>> I don't think it does exactly the same thing. That is, rebooting
>> the computer while it is on, vs turning it off and starting it up
>> again, are NOT the same thing (unless I'm missing something).
>
>The only difference is that the machine is off until you push the
>power button.
>_________________
>
>> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and then
>> turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left anywhere
>> in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of any code
>> or any data remain that way.
>
>What possible difference would it make?

I think a virus can hook into the Restart or Ctrl-Alt-Del functions.
In my DOS days I was always advised to perform a cold boot (ie a hard
reset) with a floppy diskette to get rid of any memory resident virus.
A warm boot (Ctrl Alt Del) could not be guaranteed to be clean.

- Franc Zabkar
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[dadiOH]

Bill in Co. wrote:

>>> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and
>>> then turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left
>>> anywhere in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of
>>> any code or any data remain that way.
>>
>> What possible difference would it make?
>
> It can, if there is some errant code running.

When the computer boots the BIOS loads and passes control to the
bootstrap loader it in turn, loads an OS loader which then loads the
rest of the OS and passes control to it. I guess all things are
possible but I'm having trouble figuring out how said errant code
would begin executing again. Some of the ways I can think of...

1. If the baddie were interrupt driven, the interrupts would have been
reset during the boot so no execution.

2. It could modify the bootstrap loader (MBR). My anti-virus program
would jump up and down in a conniption fit.

3. It could have modified the OS loader on the hard drive. In that
case, it would make zero difference if the computer had been turned
off or just rebooted.

4. It could set itself to run via one of the registry start up
entries. Again, in that case, it would make zero difference if the
computer had been turned off or just rebooted.

5. Others?

All in all - even though I am 60 miles from either Florida coast - I
think I'll worry more about a shark attack



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[Bill in Co.]

dadiOH wrote:
> Bill in Co. wrote:
>
>>>> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and
>>>> then turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left
>>>> anywhere in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of
>>>> any code or any data remain that way.
>>>
>>> What possible difference would it make?
>>
>> It can, if there is some errant code running.
>
> When the computer boots the BIOS loads and passes control to the
> bootstrap loader it in turn, loads an OS loader which then loads the
> rest of the OS and passes control to it. I guess all things are
> possible but I'm having trouble figuring out how said errant code
> would begin executing again. Some of the ways I can think of...
>
> 1. If the baddie were interrupt driven, the interrupts would have been
> reset during the boot so no execution.
>
> 2. It could modify the bootstrap loader (MBR). My anti-virus program
> would jump up and down in a conniption fit.
>
> 3. It could have modified the OS loader on the hard drive. In that
> case, it would make zero difference if the computer had been turned
> off or just rebooted.
>
> 4. It could set itself to run via one of the registry start up
> entries. Again, in that case, it would make zero difference if the
> computer had been turned off or just rebooted.
>
> 5. Others?
>
> All in all - even though I am 60 miles from either Florida coast - I
> think I'll worry more about a shark attack

I think my original assertion was that rebooting is NOT identical to
powering the computer off and restarting it again, because some code and
data are still left in memory, which could be problematic in some instances.
And I think Frank mentioned one of them (with the virus thing) as just one
example.

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

I'd like to see a reputable article detailing the facts on this subject,
both with AT and ATX boards.

--
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MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:e86mhdb5HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> dadiOH wrote:
>> Bill in Co. wrote:
>>
>>>>> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and
>>>>> then turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left
>>>>> anywhere in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of
>>>>> any code or any data remain that way.
>>>>
>>>> What possible difference would it make?
>>>
>>> It can, if there is some errant code running.
>>
>> When the computer boots the BIOS loads and passes control to the
>> bootstrap loader it in turn, loads an OS loader which then loads the
>> rest of the OS and passes control to it. I guess all things are
>> possible but I'm having trouble figuring out how said errant code
>> would begin executing again. Some of the ways I can think of...
>>
>> 1. If the baddie were interrupt driven, the interrupts would have been
>> reset during the boot so no execution.
>>
>> 2. It could modify the bootstrap loader (MBR). My anti-virus program
>> would jump up and down in a conniption fit.
>>
>> 3. It could have modified the OS loader on the hard drive. In that
>> case, it would make zero difference if the computer had been turned
>> off or just rebooted.
>>
>> 4. It could set itself to run via one of the registry start up
>> entries. Again, in that case, it would make zero difference if the
>> computer had been turned off or just rebooted.
>>
>> 5. Others?
>>
>> All in all - even though I am 60 miles from either Florida coast - I
>> think I'll worry more about a shark attack
>
> I think my original assertion was that rebooting is NOT identical to
> powering the computer off and restarting it again, because some code and
> data are still left in memory, which could be problematic in some
> instances.
> And I think Frank mentioned one of them (with the virus thing) as just one
> example.
>
>

 

[PCR]

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:8kcpc3hhrue9hk040419jkh05i74pvum0q@4ax.com
| On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:35:28 -0400, "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com>
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>Bill in Co. wrote:
|>
|>> I don't think it does exactly the same thing. That is, rebooting
|>> the computer while it is on, vs turning it off and starting it up
|>> again, are NOT the same thing (unless I'm missing something).
|>
|>The only difference is that the machine is off until you push the
|>power button.
|>_________________
|>
|>> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and then
|>> turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left anywhere
|>> in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of any code
|>> or any data remain that way.
|>
|>What possible difference would it make?
|
| I think a virus can hook into the Restart or Ctrl-Alt-Del functions.
| In my DOS days I was always advised to perform a cold boot (ie a hard
| reset) with a floppy diskette to get rid of any memory resident virus.
| A warm boot (Ctrl Alt Del) could not be guaranteed to be clean.

DadiOH's anti-virus program would jump up and down in a conniption fit!
And I hope avast! would do it too!

| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

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[PCR]

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:ee6leLG5HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
| Just to clarify (and to correct my own mistakes in terminology):
| There are three ways to restart a Windows 98 or 95 computer.
|
| 1. Shutdown, and then restart the machine manually.

That is a cold boot.

| 2. Restart or Reboot, which does the same as above except you don't
| have to press any button to restart.

This one is called a "warm boot" by "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston &
Straub), p.297... "This option works just like Shut Down does, but it
doesn't require that you press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to restart Windows 98. It
restarts Windows 98 with a warm boot."

Since this does reach back to BIOS & post, I tend to agree with you that
it is no different from a cold boot.

| 3. So-called "Warm" or "Soft" restart (not reboot), which only
| restarts Windows, while DOS remains resident. Common in Win95, and
| supported in Win98, mostly for those apps from 95 days that would
| perform such a restart as part of Setup. Yes, it's possible to
| manually do it in Win98, but I forget how.

Could it be this "undocumented" feature from the book (same page)...?...

"To restart Windows 98 quickly without going through the warm reboot
process, mark Restart, and then hold down your Shift key while clicking
the OK button in the Shut Down Windows dialog box."

I intend to try it later!

| As for the ShellIconCache issue, you have Win98 in front of you (I
| don't). Why don't you test? Won't hurt anything.
|
| Also, there's a fix for increasing the size of the ShellIconCache.
| Also creates an item in Folder Options that allows you to choose what
| size. Here it is:
| http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.php#icons
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
| news:%23FaxT%23F5HHA.5844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|>> Bull. A "warm" reboot is not a full Restart, if that's what you
|>> mean, but a full reboot (one that isn't like the Win95 "soft" or
|>> "warm" reboot) is the
|>> equivalent of shutting down and restarting. Yes, it's possible to
|>> do a soft restart in Windows 98, but it isn't supported and is
|>> advised against. You certainly aren't doing that when you click
|>> Start>Shutdown>Restart.
|>
|> OK, but I was trying to distinguish between simply rebooting vs
|> shutting down and powering up again, and there sure is a difference
|> there! So I don't know what the right terms are then. (Forget
|> "warm reboot", then - my
|> bad). Maybe one is just called "rebooting", and the other has to be
|> laboriously callled "powering up from a cold start", and that's all
|> you can
|> call it.
|>
|>> And no, a single shutdown and restart will not rebuild the
|>> ShellIconCache,
|>> not until the next time you shut down (and you won't see it until
|>> you start it again.)
|>
|> Well, then I musta misrembered this, as I had thought that when I
|> deleted the cache and turned the computer off and then on again, the
|> cache *was* formed and there on the HD (as seen in windows
|> explorer). But maybe you're right and it still takes a reboot
|> even after that. I can't recall
|> for certain.
|>
|>> From the time you delete the file, it requires two restarts to
|>> see it again, whether you use Shutdown>Restart or Shutdown and
|>> manually restart.
|>>
|>> --
|>> Gary S. Terhune
|>> MS-MVP Shell/User
|>> www.grystmill.com
|>> .
|>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
|>> news:es6vEtF5HHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|>>> It IS different, because it doesn't require TWO warm reboots.
|>>> Just one cold reboot.
|>>>
|>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|>>>> Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different
|>>>> than a reboot. When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt
|>>>> until the second shut down or reboot, whichever you choose, no
|>>>> matter how you get it to that point.
|>>>>
|>>>> --
|>>>> Gary S. Terhune
|>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
|>>>> www.grystmill.com
|>>>>
|>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
|>>>> news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|>>>>> lb wrote:
|>>>>>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:
|>>>>>>> This is Win98se
|>>>>>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For
|>>>>>>> example, I have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on
|>>>>>>> and off the hosts file). Right now, all files with the PDF
|>>>>>>> extension have the icon from "Hosts Toggle". Text files
|>>>>>>> (.txt) have an icon from another program instead of the
|>>>>>>> notepad icon.
|>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some
|>>>>>>> other extension will have the wrong icon, for example last
|>>>>>>> night all the .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my
|>>>>>>> desktop.
|>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and
|>>>>>>> how do I
|>>>>>>> fix it?
|>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>> Thanks
|>>>>>>> HN
|>>>>>>
|>>>>>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the
|>>>>>> icons.
|>>>>>>
|>>>>>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can
|>>>>>> delete it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.
|>>>>>
|>>>>> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds
|>>>>> later,
|>>>>> and
|>>>>> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).
|>>>>>
|>>>>>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X
|>>>>>> Setup. Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do
|>>>>>> not have any of these.
|>>>>>>
|>>>>>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to
|>>>>>> rapidly shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your
|>>>>>> shelliconcache from being rewritten properly.
|>>>>>
|>>>>> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop
|>>>>> shortcut for
|>>>>> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).

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[Bill in Co.]

PCR wrote:
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:ee6leLG5HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
>> Just to clarify (and to correct my own mistakes in terminology):
>> There are three ways to restart a Windows 98 or 95 computer.
>>
>> 1. Shutdown, and then restart the machine manually.
>
> That is a cold boot.
>
>> 2. Restart or Reboot, which does the same as above except you don't
>> have to press any button to restart.
>
> This one is called a "warm boot" by "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston &
> Straub), p.297... "This option works just like Shut Down does, but it
> doesn't require that you press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to restart Windows 98. It
> restarts Windows 98 with a warm boot."
>
> Since this does reach back to BIOS & post, I tend to agree with you that
> it is no different from a cold boot.

But you're wrong, because it does NOT remove any resident code or data left
in memory that could be problematic (in some instances). So it is NOT
"identical", per se, by definition.

In addition, it is also not identical because the internal hardware
(electronics) has not been powered off and then back on again, which could
have some relevance for both hardware and software (low level) issues, in
some instances).

That all being said, the practical results are so similar in MOST cases that
it probably don't matter too much.

Q.E.D.