Speed up my Windows XP Pro. SP3 with Flash USB drives/drives?

[Ant]

On 8/17/2009 4:10 AM PT, Gerry typed:

> "and also as a location for temporary files". That's a variant I have
> not seen suggested before!

Yep, I already moved %temp% to a different drive.

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[Ant]

Windows' Task Manager shows this already as "Commite Charge" (bottom
task bar) and "VM Size" column for process list.


On 8/17/2009 6:25 AM PT, Gerry typed:

> The pagefile is always used regardless of the amount of RAM. However,
> the more the RAM the less the use made of the pagefile.
>
> You can get more accurate information on pagefile usage using
> pagefilemon, a small freeware utility.
>
> Use page file monitor to observe what is the peak usage. Start it to run
> immediately after start-up and look at the log. Pagefilemon takes
> snapshots. You need to run it at the beginning of the session at then
> run it again at intervals throughout the sessions. The log is Pagefile
> log.txt. If you right click on the file in Windows Explorer and select
> Send to, Desktop (Create Shortcut). The same applies to
> XP_PageFileMon.exe.
>
> A small utility to monitor pagefile usage:
> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm
>
> Note that programs using undo features, particularly those associated
> with graphics and photo editing, require large amounts of memory so if
> you use this type of programme check these first observing how the page
> usage increases when they start and whether the usage decreases when you
> close the programme.
>
> You can get clues as to what is generating peak memory demands but this
> is not a precise science, more a matter of judgement.
>
>
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>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
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> Jon wrote:
>> "use the first partition to relocated your pagefile"
>>
>> Would the paging file get used much when you have 2Gbytes of RAM? I'm
>> assuming that the user isn't using lots of very big programmes.
>>
>>
>> "JS" wrote in message
>> news:O%23ZAE7pHKHA.2516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> No, "Ready Boost" is not part of Windows XP.
>>
>> However if you want to see a significant performance
>> boost you can and a second hard drive. Partition the
>> new (2nd) drive so that the first partition (Logical drive)
>> is no more than 10% to 20% of the total drive size.
>>
>> Now use the first partition to relocated your pagefile
>> and also as a location for temporary files.
>>
>>
>> "Ant" wrote in message
>> news:%23dLc8dpHKHA.1988@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I read that Vista and Windows 7 can be sped up faster by using Flash
>>> USB sticks/drives (have 256 MB to 1 GB sizes). Can this be done with
>>> an updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 too?
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[Gerry]

Ant

Your statement is incorrect. Task Manager does not record actual usage.
It records movements in allocations not usage.

Quote: "Note that these aspects of Windows XP have changed significantly
from earlier Windows NT versions, and practices that have been common
there may no longer be appropriate. Also, the 'PF Usage' (Page File in
Use) measurement in Task Manager | Performance for 'Page File in Use'
include those potential uses by pages that have not been taken up. It
makes a good indicator of the adequacy of the 'Maximum' size setting,
but not for the 'Initial' one, let alone for any need for more RAM."
Source: http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm


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Ant wrote:
> Windows' Task Manager shows this already as "Commite Charge" (bottom
> task bar) and "VM Size" column for process list.
>
>
> On 8/17/2009 6:25 AM PT, Gerry typed:
>
>> The pagefile is always used regardless of the amount of RAM. However,
>> the more the RAM the less the use made of the pagefile.
>>
>> You can get more accurate information on pagefile usage using
>> pagefilemon, a small freeware utility.
>>
>> Use page file monitor to observe what is the peak usage. Start it to
>> run immediately after start-up and look at the log. Pagefilemon takes
>> snapshots. You need to run it at the beginning of the session at then
>> run it again at intervals throughout the sessions. The log is
>> Pagefile log.txt. If you right click on the file in Windows Explorer
>> and select Send to, Desktop (Create Shortcut). The same applies to
>> XP_PageFileMon.exe.
>>
>> A small utility to monitor pagefile usage:
>> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm
>>
>> Note that programs using undo features, particularly those associated
>> with graphics and photo editing, require large amounts of memory so
>> if you use this type of programme check these first observing how
>> the page usage increases when they start and whether the usage
>> decreases when you close the programme.
>>
>> You can get clues as to what is generating peak memory demands but
>> this is not a precise science, more a matter of judgement.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Gerry
>> ~~~~
>> FCA
>> Stourport, England
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>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>

 

[Gerry]

JS

Fragmentation of the pagefile of itself does not matter. The problem is
that a pagefile fragmenting cause other files being written to fragment.
Placing the pagefile in a separate partition or setting a minimum =
maximum pagefile helps reduce fragmentation of the other files. Many
users feel that defragmenting a pagefile is a waste of time as it is
continually being rewritten.


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JS wrote:
> "Jon" wrote in message
> news:uSfpfvzHKHA.4168@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "use the first partition to relocated your pagefile"
>>
>> Would the paging file get used much when you have 2Gbytes of RAM? I'm
>> assuming that the user isn't
>> using lots of very big programmes.
>>
>>
>
>
> Windows is not like UNIX and the user has
> no control over what gets paged/swapped
> out to this file, so it is always in use.
>
> Make matters worse is the fact that the
> pagefile can end up being heavily fragmented
> and stays that way unless you install a utility
> like "PageDefrag" from SysInternals:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinte...s/bb897426.aspx
>
> However with the pagefile located on it's own partition
> it never gets fragmented.

 

[Jose]

On Aug 16, 5:34 pm, Bennett Marco wrote:
> Jose wrote:
>
> >I wonder which would be faster and more reliable - a flash drive or on
> >board RAM?
>
> More RAM... but in this case, the OP has enough.

I wasn't really wondering... more like hinting!

The concept of implementing something similar to ReadyBoost in XP is
not new, there are third party apps that attempt to replicate it and
results and opinions vary.

If somebody comes across empirical, measurable and reprodcueable data
using methods to simulate ReadyBoost with XP, that would be most
interesting.

 

[Twayne]

"Gerry" wrote in message
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> JS
>
> Fragmentation of the pagefile of itself does not matter. The problem
> is that a pagefile fragmenting cause other files being written to
> fragment. Placing the pagefile in a separate partition or setting a
> minimum = maximum pagefile helps reduce fragmentation of the other
> files. Many users feel that defragmenting a pagefile is a waste of
> time as it is continually being rewritten.

I don't know why you'd say that. Fragmentation of the pf is no
different in impact than any other file and often results in extended
pauses when it becomes too fragmented. What is fortunate is that XP
makes some mediocre attempts to keep it from fragmenting but it's far
from perfect, especially as a drive reaches close to capacity settings.
I've only seen a couple of badly fragmented pfs, but one in particular
had thousands of fragments to it. User must have turned it off & back
on with a nearly full drive was all I could figure. Just defragging the
drive took around 4 hours IIRC and it was only a 360 Gig drive.

Twayne

>
>
>
> JS wrote:
>> "Jon" wrote in message
>> news:uSfpfvzHKHA.4168@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> "use the first partition to relocated your pagefile"
>>>
>>> Would the paging file get used much when you have 2Gbytes of RAM?
>>> I'm assuming that the user isn't
>>> using lots of very big programmes.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Windows is not like UNIX and the user has
>> no control over what gets paged/swapped
>> out to this file, so it is always in use.
>>
>> Make matters worse is the fact that the
>> pagefile can end up being heavily fragmented
>> and stays that way unless you install a utility
>> like "PageDefrag" from SysInternals:
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinte...s/bb897426.aspx
>>
>> However with the pagefile located on it's own partition
>> it never gets fragmented.

 

[1stknight]

Good/morning evening
There are a few things to consider about attempting to speed up your
computer boot time. Everything that affects your system can be considered at
a couple of levels. First is your computer hard ware.

A) Have you looked into updating your computer bios?
Why? If your computer manufactor updated the microcode into the bios, will
reduce boot up time. And more efficient initialization of hardware will also
reduce your boot time. In addition any USB errors in your current bios may be
fixed. Also reducing startup/boot time. Is your bios set to quick boot? Plug
and play enabled?

1) Each motherboard is different. But have you disable any devices you are
not using? Anything that is initialized requires time. Extra Serial ports?
Usually not used. IEEE 1394, you do not have any devices like a hard drive
connected?

2) How old is your computer? Replaced any of the thermal interface material?
Some processors have thermal throttling which reduces the processor speed.
Have you turned this off? Cleaned up cable management ?

3) Memory speeds. A great resource for memory specifications is cpuz. Is
your memory speed the quickest available for your processor? DDR 3200 is
faster then 2700. Search for more information here. Not to open up a can of
worms bur ddr2 is better then DDR1. Lower memory latencys also help out here.
As mentioned above, a bios update may reconize more memory DIMMs.

Hard drive If you are using an "green" drive. This will spin slower and
slow down your computer system. Most drives are slower then say a Western
digital hard drive. And this is outclassed by a S.S.D. another alternative.

C) Since you have not mentioned if you are using a desktop or lap top.
SSD is better for the laptop. A cache IDE/SATA(depending which you are
using for harddrive) with at least 64 Megs of memory will always help out
your boot times.
Is your hard drive set to use DMA? Some motherboard chipsets do not allow
this to work because of designed in cost reductions.

D) Processor. Are you using the latest processor with a larger cache
appropriate to the programs you wish to run? Photo shop will load up a single
core computer. Dual core is better. Any anti-virus programs running? Tri-core
is better. Also consider buying a can of air and blowing out the fans and the
botherboard

E) Video card. Which card are you using? searching for a better card would
help out. And this brings up drivers. Manufactors generally improve both
performance and reliability of drivers.

Soft ware improvement
Defragmentation I have used various types of programs to restore order to
files on my hard drives through out the years. IOBit.com defrag, is my
current defragger.

Here is some things to look at at the soft ware level

First the Operating System

Is your chipset driver up to date? Intel, Nvidia, and Via usually update
there chipset drivers.

Are you using windows installer 4.5?
Windows scripting host 5.6?
Using dot net 1.1 up to version 3.5?
Looked at using bootvis to optimize start up.
Using direct x and the latest version?

Running Software
Cleaned out your startup folder? Anything like microsoft office slow down
boot up.

technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx

Link to look for programs that are being run on startup. If you are
comfortable using regedit. Always back this up before editing.
http://www.anvir.com/windows-startup-programs-xp.htm

Multiple anti-virus programs? Another slow down. Which also brings up
insecure software. Secunia.com will tell you if you have multiple installs of
programs with different versions. Duplicates can cause problems. Each program
is different. Seaching for help will give you the most appropriate fix.

Delay startup of programs in the startup folder links
http://www.r2.com.au/software.php?
http://www.joejoesoft.com/sr.php
http://uk.geocities.com/personel44/maintenance.html

Search for someting called tweak, and clean memory and connectors of your
memory. Reduces contanimates and improves connection speed. Usefull in a lot
of ways. Improving the connection from a lap top battery to computer. Diry
USB connections. Even a pencil eraser will help out in a pinch.


Hopefully this helps you out.

1stknight

"Ant" wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I read that Vista and Windows 7 can be sped up faster by using Flash USB
> sticks/drives (have 256 MB to 1 GB sizes). Can this be done with an
> updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 too?
>
> Thank you in advance.

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[HeyBub]

Ant wrote:
> On 8/16/2009 11:42 AM PT, Bennett Marco typed:
>
>>>>> I read that Vista and Windows 7 can be sped up faster by using
>>>>> Flash USB sticks/drives (have 256 MB to 1 GB sizes). Can this be
>>>>> done with an updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 too?
>>>>
>>>> If you are referring to Vista's Readyboost, no.
>>> Yeah, that and thanks. Aww, someone should make one for XP.

>>
>> How much RAM does your system have?
>
> 2 GB of RAM. Having some minor speed improvements with those USB Flash
> drives would be nice.

USB drives are SLOW. About 10 times slower than a hard drive.* Then, too,
they fail after a relatively small number of read-write cycles.

--------
USB2.0 = ~25Mbytes/s (200Mb/s)
SATA drive = max 3Gb/sec

 

[Swifty]

Ant wrote:
> Yeah, I thought I could speed up XP's boot up like Vista's ReadyBoast
> with one of those USB Flash sticks/drives.

It is conceivable that you could add a solid-state drive to your system,
and use that for your page file. I have no idea if such a drive would
work well in that configuration, but I've seen systems with nothing but
a solid-state drive, so it must be OK. The ones I've seen are 80Gb. You
could probably put other stuff on there as well as your page file - you
are not going to cause seek problems.

My system has an 80Gb C: drive, and I'm tempted to change that to a
solid-state drive if my employer fails to update my PC next January, as
was scheduled.

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[Ant]

On 8/19/2009 1:08 PM PT, Swifty typed:

>> Yeah, I thought I could speed up XP's boot up like Vista's ReadyBoast
>> with one of those USB Flash sticks/drives.

>
> It is conceivable that you could add a solid-state drive to your system,
> and use that for your page file. I have no idea if such a drive would
> work well in that configuration, but I've seen systems with nothing but
> a solid-state drive, so it must be OK. The ones I've seen are 80Gb. You
> could probably put other stuff on there as well as your page file - you
> are not going to cause seek problems.

Thanks. That could be an interesting idea and faster than USB 2.0.


> My system has an 80Gb C: drive, and I'm tempted to change that to a
> solid-state drive if my employer fails to update my PC next January, as
> was scheduled.

Haha, I remember I used to have 10 GB for C: drive and I only had like
900 MB free. I had to replace the HDD due to that.

Bummer on upgrading office computers. I know that feeling since mine are
very old (Prescott and HyperThreading/HT P4s, single core Athlon 64
3200+, etc.).

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[Ant]

> > I read that Vista and Windows 7 can be sped up faster by using Flash USB
> > sticks/drives (have 256 MB to 1 GB sizes). Can this be done with an
> > updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 too?
>
> What are you doing where you think your system needs to go faster? If you keep installing and
> uninstalling programs, moving data around, it would be good to defrag your system.

Just gaming. I was only interested to see what else I can do to
improve speed on my quad core system. Yes, it's fast enough but it
never hurts to have more speed. [grin]


> If your system has been in place for a few years and you install lots of programs, uninstall
> programs, it would be an improvement to reinstall Windows from scratch. That is a lot of work
> but it will speed up your system quite a bit.
>
> Every year I reinstall from scratch and only install the programs that I need. I then copy my
> data back and everything is cool to go.
>
> I have it down to a science and can re-do a system in a couple of hours.

Yeah, but a pain to reinstall and reconfigure 100+ softwares which I
don't have time for. I do back up my HDDs once in a while and back up
my datas weekly though.

 

[msnews.microsoft.com]

"Ant" wrote in message
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>> > I read that Vista and Windows 7 can be sped up faster by using Flash
>> > USB
>> > sticks/drives (have 256 MB to 1 GB sizes). Can this be done with an
>> > updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 too?
>>
>> What are you doing where you think your system needs to go faster? If
>> you keep installing and
>> uninstalling programs, moving data around, it would be good to defrag
>> your system.
>
> Just gaming. I was only interested to see what else I can do to
> improve speed on my quad core system. Yes, it's fast enough but it
> never hurts to have more speed. [grin]
>
>
>> If your system has been in place for a few years and you install lots of
>> programs, uninstall
>> programs, it would be an improvement to reinstall Windows from scratch.
>> That is a lot of work
>> but it will speed up your system quite a bit.
>>
>> Every year I reinstall from scratch and only install the programs that I
>> need. I then copy my
>> data back and everything is cool to go.
>>
>> I have it down to a science and can re-do a system in a couple of hours.
>
> Yeah, but a pain to reinstall and reconfigure 100+ softwares which I
> don't have time for. I do back up my HDDs once in a while and back up
> my datas weekly though.

Since you install lots of programs and have lot installed you should
consider a disk imaging program such as Acronis True Image.

 

[Ant]

On 8/22/2009 10:50 PM PT, msnews.microsoft.com typed:

>> Yeah, but a pain to reinstall and reconfigure 100+ softwares which I
>> don't have time for. I do back up my HDDs once in a while and back up
>> my datas weekly though.

>
> Since you install lots of programs and have lot installed you should
> consider a disk imaging program such as Acronis True Image.

I already do use a disk image program (Symantec/Norton Ghost not in my
installed Windows XP Pro. SP3 -- use a bootable CD/disk).
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