the password is recognised, yet login stops

[aa]

"Bob I" wrote in message
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>
> aa wrote:
> > "Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
> > news:u69lLP4SKHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > Thanks, Pegasus, for the most detailed reply.
> >
> >
> >>*** You said "I am about to clean reinstall w2k" which in the English
> >
> > language implies that you will do it within a very short time.
> >
> > Thank you for a bit of English lesson, Pegasus - I'm always happy to
learn.
> > Yet how do you define "very short time" in English?
> > Depending on context, a year may be a very short time while a second
could
> > be too long
> >
>
> I think you are looking for "Soon" or "near future", as in "I will be
> reinstalling W2K soon."

I like the turn the discussion took.
Actually when I was writing "I was about to reinstall" I was going to do it
immediately and already started preparations by backing up some data.
Waiting for copying to complete I checked this NG and suspended
reinstalling only because the chanse to restore w2k suddenly popped up
here. Is "Soon" or "near future" more appropriae this this situation?

 

[Pegasus [MVP]]

"aa" wrote in message
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> "Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
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> Thanks, Now I am equipped with theory to proceed.
>
>> *** I know - that's why you should explore the third option.
> I will explore
>
> > > This should not affect XP-installation, should it?
>> *** Of course not - as long as you restrict your registry hacks to the
> Win2000 hive.
>
> I understand that disk drive letters on one OS have nothing to do with
> disk
> drive letters on another OS on the same computer.
> Yet I wonder how come resizing partitions with Partition Magic on XP
> affected w2k so badly.
>

I've seen this happen before. It is perhaps the result of the partitioning
software creating a new Volume-ID (the one you see when you run mountvol.exe
at the Command Prompt). When Windows starts the first time, it believes that
this is a new volume and it assigns a free drive letter. If this is correct
then the fault lies with PQ Magic (which is *not* supported by Microsoft,
same as all other partition managers).

 

[Bob I]

aa wrote:
> "Bob I" wrote in message
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>
>>
>>aa wrote:
>>
>>>"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
>>>news:u69lLP4SKHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>Thanks, Pegasus, for the most detailed reply.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>*** You said "I am about to clean reinstall w2k" which in the English
>>>
>>>language implies that you will do it within a very short time.
>>>
>>>Thank you for a bit of English lesson, Pegasus - I'm always happy to
>
> learn.
>
>>>Yet how do you define "very short time" in English?
>>>Depending on context, a year may be a very short time while a second
>
> could
>
>>>be too long
>>>
>>
>>I think you are looking for "Soon" or "near future", as in "I will be
>>reinstalling W2K soon."
>
>
> I like the turn the discussion took.
> Actually when I was writing "I was about to reinstall" I was going to do it
> immediately and already started preparations by backing up some data.
> Waiting for copying to complete I checked this NG and suspended
> reinstalling only because the chanse to restore w2k suddenly popped up
> here. Is "Soon" or "near future" more appropriae this this situation?
>

In this case I think "I am making preparations to reinstall" would
identify the time frame more closely.

 

[Paul Randall]

"aa" wrote in message
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> "Paul Randall" wrote in message
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>
>> Maybe your OE read option for limiting the number of headers being read
>> accidently got checked.
>
> This options is pre-set to 300.

This option is really two options. If the checkbox is checked, then the
number you have here is the maximum number that will be read at a time. If
the checkbox is unchecked, then ALL will be read.

> Does the number of headers mean number of subjects or number of messages?

I don't know exactly what it means. I just know that unchecking the
checkbox solved my problem of missing messages in a thread a few years back.

-Paul Randall

> Anyway this should not be relevant in this particular case for now,
> without
> changing this option, I can see a lot of new messages but still cannot the
> that one of Pegasus. Unless OE selects these 300 messages at random,
> without
> taking into account chronology and logic of discussion.
> I have beed using OE for years to read NGs, and dissapearing messages or
> the
> whole threads is systematic. I thought it was the result of moderation,
> thought could not fihure out what was wrong with those messages.
>
>

 

[aa]

"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
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I had to be out for rwo days, now am back to proceed with this prob.
But before starting playnig with the register I would like to back all the
data. But before backing up I wanted to run full virus-check with cureit and
this is going to be a several hours task. I therefore wanted to work on
another system block, but for that system block I have only one monitor from
an old win98 comp which does not work properly with that system block - I
have started another thread on it

> I've seen this happen before. It is perhaps the result of the partitioning
> software creating a new Volume-ID (the one you see when you run
mountvol.exe
> at the Command Prompt). When Windows starts the first time, it believes
that
> this is a new volume and it assigns a free drive letter. If this is
correct
> then the fault lies with PQ Magic (which is *not* supported by Microsoft,
> same as all other partition managers).
>
>

 

[aa]

"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
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> You may be able to log into
> ~~~ Windows by copying userinit.exe to ?:WinNTsystem32 where
> ~~~ ?: represents each and every partition you have on your hard disk.

I have WinNT\system32 on one partition only, but I have two more partition,
one with XP and another with no OS, just data. So before I can copy
userinit.exe I need to create an empty folder WinNT then create empty
folder system32 and tonly then copy userinit.exe into system32 - is that
what u mean? Or I need to copy the whole WinNT including all files and
subfolders?

 

[Pegasus [MVP]]

"aa" wrote in message
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>
> "Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
> news:Oe3f5R9SKHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > You may be able to log into
>> ~~~ Windows by copying userinit.exe to ?:WinNTsystem32 where
>> ~~~ ?: represents each and every partition you have on your hard disk.
>
> I have WinNTsystem32 on one partition only, but I have two more
> partition,
> one with XP and another with no OS, just data. So before I can copy
> userinit.exe I need to create an empty folder WinNT then create empty
> folder system32 and tonly then copy userinit.exe into system32 - is that
> what u mean? Or I need to copy the whole WinNT including all files and
> subfolders?

Literally follow my instruction ":by copying userinit.exe to
?:\WinNT\system32".
I said nothing about any other files.

 

[aa]

"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
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> >> ~~~ Windows by copying userinit.exe to ?:WinNTsystem32 where
> >> ~~~ ?: represents each and every partition you have on your hard disk.
> >
> > I have WinNTsystem32 on one partition only, but I have two more
> > partition,
> > one with XP and another with no OS, just data. So before I can copy
> > userinit.exe I need to create an empty folder WinNT then create empty
> > folder system32 and tonly then copy userinit.exe into system32 - is
that
> > what u mean? Or I need to copy the whole WinNT including all files and
> > subfolders?
>
> Literally follow my instruction ":by copying userinit.exe to
> ?:WinNTsystem32".
> I said nothing about any other files.

Sorry, Pegasus, your instruction cannot be followed literally. The
Instruction instructs to copy userinit.exe to WinNT\system32 on EVERY
partition and I do not have WinNT\system32 on every partition - so before
copying I do have to create empty WinNT\system32 on those partitions, don't
I?

I would better understand if I knew how login goes on. Do u mean that w2k
looks for WinNT\system32\userinit.exe on a wrong partition, so rather then
re-direct him to the right partition, I deliver userinit.exe to that wrong
place for him.
My concern is that earlier you said that it is not just userinit.exe, it a
lot of other OS files are involved in the process. Thereore offering just
userinit.exe might not satisfy him.

 

[Pegasus [MVP]]

"aa" wrote in message
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>
> "Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
> news:uA#YjxZTKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > >> ~~~ Windows by copying userinit.exe to ?:WinNTsystem32 where
>> >> ~~~ ?: represents each and every partition you have on your hard disk.
>> >
>> > I have WinNTsystem32 on one partition only, but I have two more
>> > partition,
>> > one with XP and another with no OS, just data. So before I can copy
>> > userinit.exe I need to create an empty folder WinNT then create empty
>> > folder system32 and tonly then copy userinit.exe into system32 - is
> that
>> > what u mean? Or I need to copy the whole WinNT including all files and
>> > subfolders?
>>
>> Literally follow my instruction ":by copying userinit.exe to
>> ?:WinNTsystem32".
>> I said nothing about any other files.
>
> Sorry, Pegasus, your instruction cannot be followed literally. The
> Instruction instructs to copy userinit.exe to WinNTsystem32 on EVERY
> partition and I do not have WinNTsystem32 on every partition - so before
> copying I do have to create empty WinNTsystem32 on those partitions,
> don't
> I?
Yes.

> I would better understand if I knew how login goes on. Do u mean that w2k
> looks for WinNTsystem32userinit.exe on a wrong partition, so rather then
> re-direct him to the right partition, I deliver userinit.exe to that wrong
> place for him.
Yes.

> My concern is that earlier you said that it is not just userinit.exe, it a
> lot of other OS files are involved in the process. Thereore offering just
> userinit.exe might not satisfy him.

This is why I wrote "It may work". However, there is no point in copying
other files. If you still cannot logon then this would be because certain
registry pointers.

I recommend you take a more relaxed attitude about the whole thing.
Creating a folder/subfolder on some partitions and copying a single file
there is far, far less intrusive than resizing partitions. Just stop
worrying
and get on with the job!

 

[aa]

"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
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> >> ?:WinNTsystem32"

Just tried to create WinNT\system32 on my logical disk - the one with no
OS, but WINNT/system32 was already there !!!???
The contents was a strange one: no files but one folder WBEM having two
other folders Logs and MOF
MOF contained two folders called bad and good, both empty

Logs contained three text files:
wbemcore.log
WinMgmt.log
wmiadap.log

wbemcore.log has the folloing records:
(Sat Oct 03 13:20:56 2009) : Core physically unloaded! // this seem to
coinside with the time the problem happens
(Tue Oct 06 15:43:19 2009) : Core physically unloaded!
(Wed Oct 14 17:25:06 2009) : Core physically unloaded!
(Thu Oct 15 19:49:24 2009) : Core physically unloaded! //this seems to be
the time of the last attempt to login to w2k

WinMgmt.log has records like this
(Sat Oct 03 13:20:56 2009) : core is being shut down by WinMgmt.exe, it
returned 0x0
with time stamps matching those in wbemcore.log

WinMgmt.log has records like this
(Sat Oct 03 13:13:39 2009) : CWMIBroker::HandleConnectServerFailure connect
to namespace \\.\root\cimv2 returned 8007007E.
(Sat Oct 03 13:13:39 2009) : CAdapRegPerf::EnumPerfDlls() failed: 80041001.
with time stamps matching those in wbemcore.log

When I re-named this WINNT folder and restarted computer, a new WINNT folder
was created on the same logical disk with similar files

What is this?

 

[Pegasus [MVP]]

"aa" wrote in message
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>
> "Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
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>
>> >> ?:WinNTsystem32"
>
> Just tried to create WinNTsystem32 on my logical disk - the one with no
> OS, but WINNT/system32 was already there !!!???
> The contents was a strange one: no files but one folder WBEM having two
> other folders Logs and MOF
> MOF contained two folders called bad and good, both empty
>
> Logs contained three text files:
> wbemcore.log
> WinMgmt.log
> wmiadap.log
>
> wbemcore.log has the folloing records:
> (Sat Oct 03 13:20:56 2009) : Core physically unloaded! // this seem to
> coinside with the time the problem happens
> (Tue Oct 06 15:43:19 2009) : Core physically unloaded!
> (Wed Oct 14 17:25:06 2009) : Core physically unloaded!
> (Thu Oct 15 19:49:24 2009) : Core physically unloaded! //this seems to be
> the time of the last attempt to login to w2k
>
> WinMgmt.log has records like this
> (Sat Oct 03 13:20:56 2009) : core is being shut down by WinMgmt.exe, it
> returned 0x0
> with time stamps matching those in wbemcore.log
>
> WinMgmt.log has records like this
> (Sat Oct 03 13:13:39 2009) : CWMIBroker::HandleConnectServerFailure
> connect
> to namespace \.rootcimv2 returned 8007007E.
> (Sat Oct 03 13:13:39 2009) : CAdapRegPerf::EnumPerfDlls() failed:
> 80041001.
> with time stamps matching those in wbemcore.log
>
> When I re-named this WINNT folder and restarted computer, a new WINNT
> folder
> was created on the same logical disk with similar files
>
> What is this?

Sorry, don't know. I have now run out of silver bullets. You should now
reconsider one of the options a) to e) that I mentioned in my reply of last
Friday.

 

[aa]

"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
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> Sorry, don't know. I have now run out of silver bullets. You should now
> reconsider one of the options a) to e) that I mentioned in my reply of
last
> Friday.

Google search against wbemcore.log, WinMgmt.log and wmiadap.log did not
bring any connections with viruses, so this might be a default behavour when
userinit.exe is not found.
I proceeded with your third option and ... your silver bullet worked. I
loged in to w2k !
Windows Explorer shows that w2k is on drive E
Now with regedit I can see HKLM\System\MountedDevices sever DosDevices
marked from A to H (B is ommited)
One of them should be renamed to E

Shall I assume that A is always a floppy, so I need to try to rename to E
devices C,D,F,G and H ?

 

[aa]

further to my previous - there are shortcuts on my destop to some files on
my logical disk which is now D, but shortcuts point to disk E which is now
w2k - so I guess I need just swap letters D and E ?

 

[aa]

Pegasus,
This problem has been sorted out due to your silver bullets and patience.
Thanks a lot.

 

[Pegasus [MVP]]

"aa" wrote in message
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> Pegasus,
> This problem has been sorted out due to your silver bullets and patience.
> Thanks a lot.

Thanks for the feedback.