Re: Only 30 More Days To Go!

[Alias]

Joel wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> My point is that Linux has comparable programs for these expensive

>> Windows based programs and is a good incentive -- along with Linux'

>> security -- to make the switch and go through the learning curve.

>

>

> Windows has comparable free programs, too. Windows can be used

> securely.



LOL! Not nearly as easily as Linux.



> If people are genuinely interested in Linux, and genuinely

> find that they prefer it, great - but Ubuntu simply can't be anywhere

> near matching Windows, yet. It works decently for some machines, but

> not for others, and isn't polished in any event. Other distros are

> fairly polished, but they also don't go balls-out on bleeding-edge

> hardware support - Linux remains a Catch-22, in that respect, but it

> is improving, and I *do* believe it will gain usage in the coming

> years.

>



I guess you haven't heard about the new nVidia drivers for Ubuntu. Read

about the changes here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1.



--

Alias

 

[Frank]

The alias sickness continues...

On 3/31/2010 9:17 AM, Alias wrote:







I guess you haven't heard that this is a Windows 7 ng.

 

[DanS]

Joel wrote in

news:2in6r55q35isdf42knag9ain5rjfnnb7a5@4ax.com:



> Alias wrote:

>

>>>> I didn't say it would cause problems if you know what

>>>> you're doing. For the average user, only installing from

>>>> the repositories will provide all the programs most

>>>> users will need.

>>>

>>> Presumably that is true - but it's not all that different

>>> from Windows, really, where most users will find all the

>>> software they need from reputable sources (whether free

>>> or commercial).

>>

>>If you cut out the cost of Windows, PhotoShop, Adobe

>>Acrobat and MS Office, Linux saves a helluva lot of money.

>>So, no, it isn't like Windows cost-wise.

>

>

> I wasn't talking about cost. But how many people buy all

> three of Photoshop, Acrobat and MS Office?



Only businesses, either large or (some) small businesses.



All other people that use them at home are using illegal

copies.



The arguments of those users not being able to use the

programs they steal on Linux are a moot point.





> I don't own any

> of them, myself. I have two free versions of PSP

> (an old NT4/9x-era freebie one I saved from my old dial-up

> modem's driver CD, and the PSP9 installer that requires no

> serial or anything, that they put out via a word to the

> wise right before PSP10 came out - if anyone wants either

> of them, feel free to ask), and OpenOffice.



I have found Paint.Net to work great for the basic work that

99% of home users would need. This is free too, for Windows.

 

[Philo P. Shagnasty]

"Alias" wrote in message

news:hovq2u$tqi$2@news.eternal-september.org...

> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Alias" wrote in message

>> news:hovhtt$2nm$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>>> DanS wrote:

>>>> Joel wrote in

>>>> news:tpe6r5llcpdc177bknamnb4bkklr5uu99b@4ax.com:

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> In Windows, it's 3.6.2. In Ubuntu, it's the version you

>>>>>> have.

>>>>>

>>>>> You can install the generic Mozilla bits for Linux. I see

>>>>> no reason to limit oneself to the distro's

>>>>> customized/delayed release.

>>>>

>>>> By the same token, I see no reason to install a newer version if it's

>>>> unnecessary.

>>>>

>>>> At this stage in the game, what new feature could they possibly have in

>>>> a web browser update that would make it a must have (other than

>>>> anything security related).

>>>

>>> Security with FF is more important if you're using Windows. With Ubuntu,

>>> it's not a problem.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>

>> Of course security is not a problem with that SHITTY Ubuntu. Nobody uses

>> it! LOL!

>>

>>

>>

>

> 13 million users say you're a blatant liar. Why are you so afraid of

> Ubuntu?

>

> --

> Alias



Who's afraid of Ubuntu? Certainly not me. I just don't see any use for

that SHITTY OS that doesn't run the programs that I need. Couldn't be

simpler than that!

 

[Alias]

Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:

>

>

> "Alias" wrote in message

> news:hovq2u$tqi$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> "Alias" wrote in message

>>> news:hovhtt$2nm$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>> DanS wrote:

>>>>> Joel wrote in

>>>>> news:tpe6r5llcpdc177bknamnb4bkklr5uu99b@4ax.com:

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In Windows, it's 3.6.2. In Ubuntu, it's the version you

>>>>>>> have.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You can install the generic Mozilla bits for Linux. I see

>>>>>> no reason to limit oneself to the distro's

>>>>>> customized/delayed release.

>>>>>

>>>>> By the same token, I see no reason to install a newer version if

>>>>> it's unnecessary.

>>>>>

>>>>> At this stage in the game, what new feature could they possibly

>>>>> have in a web browser update that would make it a must have (other

>>>>> than anything security related).

>>>>

>>>> Security with FF is more important if you're using Windows. With

>>>> Ubuntu, it's not a problem.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> Of course security is not a problem with that SHITTY Ubuntu. Nobody

>>> uses it! LOL!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>> 13 million users say you're a blatant liar. Why are you so afraid of

>> Ubuntu?

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>

> Who's afraid of Ubuntu? Certainly not me. I just don't see any use for

> that SHITTY OS that doesn't run the programs that I need. Couldn't be

> simpler than that!

>

>

>



Then why do you continually lie about it? What is your motivation for

being such a liar?



--

Alias

 

[Joel]

DanS wrote:



>> how many people buy all

>> three of Photoshop, Acrobat and MS Office?

>

>Only businesses, either large or (some) small businesses.

>

>All other people that use them at home are using illegal

>copies.

>

>The arguments of those users not being able to use the

>programs they steal on Linux are a moot point.





Largely true, except they don't need to pirate them *nor* run Linux to

obtain comparable ones that are free or affordable.



--

Joel Crump

 

[Frank]

On 3/31/2010 10:36 AM, Alias wrote:

> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Alias" wrote in message

>> news:hovq2u$tqi$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" wrote in message

>>>> news:hovhtt$2nm$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>>> DanS wrote:

>>>>>> Joel wrote in

>>>>>> news:tpe6r5llcpdc177bknamnb4bkklr5uu99b@4ax.com:

>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> In Windows, it's 3.6.2. In Ubuntu, it's the version you

>>>>>>>> have.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You can install the generic Mozilla bits for Linux. I see

>>>>>>> no reason to limit oneself to the distro's

>>>>>>> customized/delayed release.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> By the same token, I see no reason to install a newer version if

>>>>>> it's unnecessary.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> At this stage in the game, what new feature could they possibly

>>>>>> have in a web browser update that would make it a must have (other

>>>>>> than anything security related).

>>>>>

>>>>> Security with FF is more important if you're using Windows. With

>>>>> Ubuntu, it's not a problem.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> Of course security is not a problem with that SHITTY Ubuntu. Nobody

>>>> uses it! LOL!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> 13 million users say you're a blatant liar. Why are you so afraid of

>>> Ubuntu?

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>

>> Who's afraid of Ubuntu? Certainly not me. I just don't see any use for

>> that SHITTY OS that doesn't run the programs that I need. Couldn't be

>> simpler than that!

>>

>>

>>

>

> Then why do you continually lie about it? What is your motivation for

> being such a liar?

>

WoW! The irony! You are the one who continually lies in here and

everyone knows it. You are one sick lunatic.

 

[Joel]

Alias wrote:



>> Windows can be used

>> securely.

>

>LOL! Not nearly as easily as Linux.





For the stereotypical grandma who does a few simple things, sure.

Even for a moderately technical (as in someone who knows how to get

the most out of *applications*, but still basically GUI-level) user,

probably. To me, it's far easier to use Windows, because since I know

how to secure it, and am not satisfied by letting Ubuntu's package

manager do everything transparently, Windows lets me just use my own

brain to manage everything. Linux gets in my way.





>> If people are genuinely interested in Linux, and genuinely

>> find that they prefer it, great - but Ubuntu simply can't be anywhere

>> near matching Windows, yet. It works decently for some machines, but

>> not for others, and isn't polished in any event. Other distros are

>> fairly polished, but they also don't go balls-out on bleeding-edge

>> hardware support - Linux remains a Catch-22, in that respect, but it

>> is improving, and I *do* believe it will gain usage in the coming

>> years.

>

>I guess you haven't heard about the new nVidia drivers for Ubuntu. Read

>about the changes here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1.





I'd heard a few vague references to at least a little of that, but

that is interesting to read as a summary. Not very convincing of my

point being outdated yet, however. I don't doubt that it will be a

damn sight better than 9.10, but then again, it better not be. In any

event, they haven't had time to fully implement features and debug

everything. Not humanly possible. Other distros are more honest

about this, and simply don't try to support everything Windows

supports, and focus instead on the features and the underlying

architecture.



I would be happy to see further progress, though, including for

Ubuntu. I have no need for MS to control so much of the market. I

don't see myself switching anytime soon, but if others are interested

in other choices (be it some form of Linux, or Mac, or anything else),

I encourage them to investigate them.



--

Joel Crump

 

[Philo P. Shagnasty]

"Alias" wrote in message

news:hp017m$md2$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Alias" wrote in message

>> news:hovq2u$tqi$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" wrote in message

>>>> news:hovhtt$2nm$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>>> DanS wrote:

>>>>>> Joel wrote in

>>>>>> news:tpe6r5llcpdc177bknamnb4bkklr5uu99b@4ax.com:

>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> In Windows, it's 3.6.2. In Ubuntu, it's the version you

>>>>>>>> have.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You can install the generic Mozilla bits for Linux. I see

>>>>>>> no reason to limit oneself to the distro's

>>>>>>> customized/delayed release.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> By the same token, I see no reason to install a newer version if it's

>>>>>> unnecessary.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> At this stage in the game, what new feature could they possibly have

>>>>>> in a web browser update that would make it a must have (other than

>>>>>> anything security related).

>>>>>

>>>>> Security with FF is more important if you're using Windows. With

>>>>> Ubuntu, it's not a problem.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> Of course security is not a problem with that SHITTY Ubuntu. Nobody

>>>> uses it! LOL!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> 13 million users say you're a blatant liar. Why are you so afraid of

>>> Ubuntu?

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>

>> Who's afraid of Ubuntu? Certainly not me. I just don't see any use for

>> that SHITTY OS that doesn't run the programs that I need. Couldn't be

>> simpler than that!

>>

>>

>>

>

> Then why do you continually lie about it? What is your motivation for

> being such a liar?

>

> --

> Alias



I don't lie about it. When I say that Ubuntu has been free for years and is

still on less than one percent of the desktop machines, that is true. There

is a reason for it. You are just too stupid to figure it out.



Oops.

 

[Joel]

Joel wrote:



>I don't doubt that it will be a

>damn sight better than 9.10, but then again, it better not be.





That should say: "... it better be."



--

Joel Crump

 

[DanS]

Joel wrote in

news127r51bavpr0gocv8b9gp02d3s6ld536l@4ax.com:



> DanS wrote:

>

>>> how many people buy all

>>> three of Photoshop, Acrobat and MS Office?

>>

>>Only businesses, either large or (some) small businesses.

>>

>>All other people that use them at home are using illegal

>>copies.

>>

>>The arguments of those users not being able to use the

>>programs they steal on Linux are a moot point.

>

>

> Largely true, except they don't need to pirate them *nor*

> run Linux to obtain comparable ones that are free or

> affordable.



I didn't say they need them. I only mentioned it because 2 of

the 3 titles mentioned are packages usually cited that 'don't

run on Linux', and the reason people will 'never' use Linux.



Sometimes though, it's the developers that are

stubborn.....take GIMP for example. I've used it. It is a very

capable application, and will even fit most professional needs

I'm sure. But, the user interface sucks beyond belief...the

whole multi top-level window thing. That is why people don't

even try to use it. Sure, there was GIMPshop, but that hasn't

been developed in several years.

 

[DanS]

Joel wrote in

news:m227r5du599n57nujqm7tfcr51ivuhigb3@4ax.com:



> Alias wrote:

>

>>> Windows can be used

>>> securely.

>>

>>LOL! Not nearly as easily as Linux.

>

>

> For the stereotypical grandma who does a few simple things,

> sure. Even for a moderately technical (as in someone who

> knows how to get the most out of *applications*, but still

> basically GUI-level) user, probably. To me, it's far

> easier to use Windows, because since I know how to secure

> it, and am not satisfied by letting Ubuntu's package

> manager do everything transparently, Windows lets me just

> use my own brain to manage everything. Linux gets in my

> way.

>

>

>>> If people are genuinely interested in Linux, and

>>> genuinely

>>> find that they prefer it, great - but Ubuntu simply can't

>>> be anywhere near matching Windows, yet. It works

>>> decently for some machines, but not for others, and isn't

>>> polished in any event. Other distros are fairly

>>> polished, but they also don't go balls-out on

>>> bleeding-edge hardware support - Linux remains a

>>> Catch-22, in that respect, but it is improving, and I

>>> *do* believe it will gain usage in the coming years.

>>

>>I guess you haven't heard about the new nVidia drivers for

>>Ubuntu. Read about the changes here:

>>http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1.

>

>

> I'd heard a few vague references to at least a little of

> that, but that is interesting to read as a summary. Not

> very convincing of my point being outdated yet, however. I

> don't doubt that it will be a damn sight better than 9.10,

> but then again, it better not be. In any event, they

> haven't had time to fully implement features and debug

> everything. Not humanly possible. Other distros are more

> honest about this, and simply don't try to support

> everything Windows supports, and focus instead on the

> features and the underlying architecture.

>

> I would be happy to see further progress, though, including

> for Ubuntu. I have no need for MS to control so much of

> the market. I don't see myself switching anytime soon, but

> if others are interested in other choices (be it some form

> of Linux, or Mac, or anything else), I encourage them to

> investigate them.



Imagine, having an intelligent coversation with someone in

this newsgroup about Linux.....thanks Joel.



This could be a first.



My take on Linux is....don't let anyone tell you what is good

or not. Try things out yourslef, and truly give it an honest

shot. If you don't like it, fine, I dont care, but at least

you tried something out for yourself.



I have far more respect for that person than the one that

would never even think about looking at it because some monkey

boy keeps insisting 'it's crap'. And worthless, and etc.....



As a matter of fact, as far as life in general, I have far

more respect for anyone that tries and fails, at anything,

than one that never tries at all, because they let someone

else make up their mind for them.

 

[Frank]

On 3/31/2010 1:11 PM, DanS wrote:

> Joel wrote in

> news:m227r5du599n57nujqm7tfcr51ivuhigb3@4ax.com:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>>> Windows can be used

>>>> securely.

>>>

>>> LOL! Not nearly as easily as Linux.

>>

>>

>> For the stereotypical grandma who does a few simple things,

>> sure. Even for a moderately technical (as in someone who

>> knows how to get the most out of *applications*, but still

>> basically GUI-level) user, probably. To me, it's far

>> easier to use Windows, because since I know how to secure

>> it, and am not satisfied by letting Ubuntu's package

>> manager do everything transparently, Windows lets me just

>> use my own brain to manage everything. Linux gets in my

>> way.

>>

>>

>>>> If people are genuinely interested in Linux, and

>>>> genuinely

>>>> find that they prefer it, great - but Ubuntu simply can't

>>>> be anywhere near matching Windows, yet. It works

>>>> decently for some machines, but not for others, and isn't

>>>> polished in any event. Other distros are fairly

>>>> polished, but they also don't go balls-out on

>>>> bleeding-edge hardware support - Linux remains a

>>>> Catch-22, in that respect, but it is improving, and I

>>>> *do* believe it will gain usage in the coming years.

>>>

>>> I guess you haven't heard about the new nVidia drivers for

>>> Ubuntu. Read about the changes here:

>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1.

>>

>>

>> I'd heard a few vague references to at least a little of

>> that, but that is interesting to read as a summary. Not

>> very convincing of my point being outdated yet, however. I

>> don't doubt that it will be a damn sight better than 9.10,

>> but then again, it better not be. In any event, they

>> haven't had time to fully implement features and debug

>> everything. Not humanly possible. Other distros are more

>> honest about this, and simply don't try to support

>> everything Windows supports, and focus instead on the

>> features and the underlying architecture.

>>

>> I would be happy to see further progress, though, including

>> for Ubuntu. I have no need for MS to control so much of

>> the market. I don't see myself switching anytime soon, but

>> if others are interested in other choices (be it some form

>> of Linux, or Mac, or anything else), I encourage them to

>> investigate them.

>

> Imagine, having an intelligent coversation with someone in

> this newsgroup about Linux.....thanks Joel.

>

> This could be a first.



What a stupid, self-serving comment. This is a Windows 7 ng, not a linux ng.

>

> My take on Linux is....don't let anyone tell you what is good

> or not. Try things out yourslef, and truly give it an honest

> shot. If you don't like it, fine, I dont care, but at least

> you tried something out for yourself.

>

> I have far more respect for that person than the one that

> would never even think about looking at it because some monkey

> boy keeps insisting 'it's crap'. And worthless, and etc.....

>

> As a matter of fact, as far as life in general, I have far

> more respect for anyone that tries and fails, at anything,

> than one that never tries at all, because they let someone

> else make up their mind for them.

 

[DanS]

>> Imagine, having an intelligent coversation with someone in

>> this newsgroup about Linux.....thanks Joel.

>>

>> This could be a first.

>

> What a stupid, self-serving comment. This is a Windows 7

> ng, not a linux ng.



Taking Linux is far more on topic than your animal sex stories

and personal attacks on Alias.

 

[Frank]

dan-o wants to hear some animal sex stories!

On 3/31/2010 4:09 PM, DanS wrote:

>>> Imagine, having an intelligent coversation with someone in

>>> this newsgroup about Linux.....thanks Joel.

>>>

>>> This could be a first.

>>

>> What a stupid, self-serving comment. This is a Windows 7

>> ng, not a linux ng.

>

> Taking Linux is far more on topic than your animal sex stories

> and personal attacks on Alias.

>



You're kissing aliases ass which makes you as much of an asshole lying

linturd troll as he is.

Oh and I'm sorry to disappoint you but I have no "animal sex stories",

nor have I ever pretended that I did so if you're looking for "animal

sex stories" you'll just have to go else where or maybe email your

sheep-fucking buddy alias as I'm sure he has many he will share with you.

And discussing linux in this Windows 7 ng is so far OT that its not even

funny.

Asshole!

 

[Joel]

DanS wrote:



>> I would be happy to see further progress, though, including

>> for Ubuntu. I have no need for MS to control so much of

>> the market. I don't see myself switching anytime soon, but

>> if others are interested in other choices (be it some form

>> of Linux, or Mac, or anything else), I encourage them to

>> investigate them.

>

>Imagine, having an intelligent coversation with someone in

>this newsgroup about Linux.....thanks Joel.

>

>This could be a first.





It does help that I actually have a fair bit of knowledge of it, and

an interest in operating systems in general. I actually found this

newsgroup via a crossposted thread with comp.os.linux.advocacy (where

a lot of them don't like me, of course, but I guess it's to be

expected - in reality, though, I am pretty balanced in my approach,

but some of them don't accept anything less than a total dismissal of

Windows).





>My take on Linux is....don't let anyone tell you what is good

>or not. Try things out yourslef, and truly give it an honest

>shot. If you don't like it, fine, I dont care, but at least

>you tried something out for yourself.

>

>I have far more respect for that person than the one that

>would never even think about looking at it because some monkey

>boy keeps insisting 'it's crap'. And worthless, and etc.....

>

>As a matter of fact, as far as life in general, I have far

>more respect for anyone that tries and fails, at anything,

>than one that never tries at all, because they let someone

>else make up their mind for them.





Well, in this case, it doesn't even cost more than the price of a

blank CD. No reason not to, if one is at all technically inclined.



--

Joel Crump

 

[Joel]

DanS wrote:



>I only mentioned it because 2 of

>the 3 titles mentioned are packages usually cited that 'don't

>run on Linux', and the reason people will 'never' use Linux.





With regard to that argument, we will wholeheartedly agree. Adobe

fecalware and MS Office are pyrite products at 24-karat prices.



--

Joel Crump

 

[Alias]

DanS wrote:

>>> Imagine, having an intelligent coversation with someone in

>>> this newsgroup about Linux.....thanks Joel.

>>>

>>> This could be a first.

>> What a stupid, self-serving comment. This is a Windows 7

>> ng, not a linux ng.

>

> Taking Linux is far more on topic than your animal sex stories

> and personal attacks on Alias.

>



That's all Frank knows how to do. What's downright sad is that he thinks

he's being cute and clever when he does it.



--

Alias

 

[Philo P. Shagnasty]

"Alias" wrote in message

news:hp1trn$4dp$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> DanS wrote:

>>>> Imagine, having an intelligent coversation with someone in

>>>> this newsgroup about Linux.....thanks Joel.

>>>>

>>>> This could be a first.

>>> What a stupid, self-serving comment. This is a Windows 7

>>> ng, not a linux ng.

>>

>> Taking Linux is far more on topic than your animal sex stories and

>> personal attacks on Alias.

>>

>

> That's all Frank knows how to do. What's downright sad is that he thinks

> he's being cute and clever when he does it.

>

> --

> Alias



Sorry but that is just your ill informed opinion. Better head over to the

Ubuntu forum and help out those sorry sacks who believe they have a decent

OS when in reality they have SHIT.

 

[Philo P. Shagnasty]

"Joel" wrote in message

news:f8i8r5hd7vs9u12rn9tovl4f823kqn4qi7@4ax.com...

> DanS wrote:

>

>>I only mentioned it because 2 of

>>the 3 titles mentioned are packages usually cited that 'don't

>>run on Linux', and the reason people will 'never' use Linux.

>

>

> With regard to that argument, we will wholeheartedly agree. Adobe

> fecalware and MS Office are pyrite products at 24-karat prices.

>

> --

> Joel Crump



You're another retard. Probably can't afford to purchase Windows or any

Adobe product.