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Bill Yanaire

"Alias" wrote in message

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> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>

>> Are you talking about some of those 25,000 Open Sores programs that you

>> can use with Ubuntu? Imagine, 25,000 FREE INFERIOR pieces of crap for

>> free.

>>

>>

>>

>

> Let's see, asshole:

>

> Firefox

> Thunderbird

> Open Office

> Blender

> Pidgin

> GIMP

> Brasero

> Deluge

> Audacity

> Exaile

> Evolution

> Streamtuner

> Cheese

>



>

> --

> Alias



OK. I'll give you those 13 apps. (I am sure most people haven't heard of

them) That still leaves 24,986 shitty apps. Oops.
 
B

Bill Yanaire

"Alias" wrote in message

news:hqkhpf$j3j$2@news.eternal-september.org...

> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>

>>

>> "ray" wrote in message

>> news:834gsoFhp0U47@mid.individual.net...

>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 03:02:07 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>

>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:36:55 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:05:52 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:8340kdFhp0U41@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:13:38 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 10:29 AM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:29:42 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy! I know I did!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002317-245.html

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Yawn. I guess that's why so much time, effort and money is

>>>>>>>>>>> expended in keeping MS machines up and running - while none of

>>>>>>>>>>> the three on Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Keep telling yourself that myth if it makes you feel better!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Or we could simply compare how much time, money, effort we've

>>>>>>>>> spent

>>>>>>>>> on our respective systems to keep them malware free over the last

>>>>>>>>> eight years. I'll go first - zero.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You didn't take into account how many hours it took to research the

>>>>>>>> cryptic line commands you need to enter go get that SHITTY Ubuntu

>>>>>>>> working right. The countless hours to figure out which SYNAPTIC

>>>>>>>> programs to install. The countless hours to get the right drivers

>>>>>>>> for sound, video, and MOBO that are missing. and on and on and

>>>>>>>> on.........

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You're wrong, as usual. I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of

>>>>>>> other

>>>>>>> Linux distributions and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line

>>>>>>> commands" to get any of them running at any point. Generally a Linux

>>>>>>> install is simpler and quicker with many, many more apps included

>>>>>>> than an MS install. Now, if you'd like to count all the time you

>>>>>>> spent hunting down or buying and installing apps equivalent to what

>>>>>>> are already included in Linux, you'll be ever further behind!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You should try Fedora.

>>>>>> Just getting the nvidia drivers installed, the nouveau drivers

>>>>>> blacklisted is a trial.

>>>>>

>>>>> Why would I want to do that? Quite frankly, I'm not enamoured of RPM

>>>>> distributions - I much prefer Debian package management.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> RPM package dependency hell is over.

>>>> I like the presto rpmdelta system that cuts way down on update sizes.

>>>> The first one I did the 425MB dl was only 180MB.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> Hate to tell you, but the only "free app" worth a shit in Linux is

>>>>>> Open Office ... and downloading that into Windows takes no longer

>>>>>> than

>>>>>> in Linux, and the Windows version is more likely to be the newer

>>>>>> version than the "pre-packaged version" most distros have in their

>>>>>> package manager.

>>>>>

>>>>> That's your opinion, which you're welcome to. I disagree.

>>>>

>>>> So, it takes longer to download and install into Windows? Not hardly.

>>>> Most of the "package manager versions" of all software are a version or

>>>> two behind. It is so with firefox also.

>>>

>>> I don't generally time downloads - with broadband connections - who

>>> cares! I disagree with your statement that OOo is the only Linux app

>>> worth anything.

>>

>> Come on now, Alias says there are 25,000 of 'em! LOL! 24,999 are crap

>> and Open Sores Orafice is probably just OK.

>

> Liar. I corrected that figure two years ago. Please try to keep up with

> your lies. You should try telling the truth as it's easier to remember.

>

> --

> Alias



It doesn't really matter. Go to any store and you won't see any of the

Linux apps! You will see nothing but Windows and Mac apps.



Live with it.
 
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Alias

Bill Yanaire wrote:

>

>

> "Alias" wrote in message

> news:hqkhpf$j3j$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>> news:834gsoFhp0U47@mid.individual.net...

>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 03:02:07 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:36:55 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:05:52 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:8340kdFhp0U41@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:13:38 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 10:29 AM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:29:42 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy! I know I did!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002317-245.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Yawn. I guess that's why so much time, effort and money is

>>>>>>>>>>>> expended in keeping MS machines up and running - while none of

>>>>>>>>>>>> the three on Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Keep telling yourself that myth if it makes you feel better!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Or we could simply compare how much time, money, effort we've

>>>>>>>>>> spent

>>>>>>>>>> on our respective systems to keep them malware free over the last

>>>>>>>>>> eight years. I'll go first - zero.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You didn't take into account how many hours it took to research

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> cryptic line commands you need to enter go get that SHITTY Ubuntu

>>>>>>>>> working right. The countless hours to figure out which SYNAPTIC

>>>>>>>>> programs to install. The countless hours to get the right drivers

>>>>>>>>> for sound, video, and MOBO that are missing. and on and on and

>>>>>>>>> on.........

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You're wrong, as usual. I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of

>>>>>>>> other

>>>>>>>> Linux distributions and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line

>>>>>>>> commands" to get any of them running at any point. Generally a

>>>>>>>> Linux

>>>>>>>> install is simpler and quicker with many, many more apps included

>>>>>>>> than an MS install. Now, if you'd like to count all the time you

>>>>>>>> spent hunting down or buying and installing apps equivalent to what

>>>>>>>> are already included in Linux, you'll be ever further behind!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You should try Fedora.

>>>>>>> Just getting the nvidia drivers installed, the nouveau drivers

>>>>>>> blacklisted is a trial.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Why would I want to do that? Quite frankly, I'm not enamoured of RPM

>>>>>> distributions - I much prefer Debian package management.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>> RPM package dependency hell is over.

>>>>> I like the presto rpmdelta system that cuts way down on update sizes.

>>>>> The first one I did the 425MB dl was only 180MB.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hate to tell you, but the only "free app" worth a shit in Linux is

>>>>>>> Open Office ... and downloading that into Windows takes no longer

>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>> in Linux, and the Windows version is more likely to be the newer

>>>>>>> version than the "pre-packaged version" most distros have in their

>>>>>>> package manager.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That's your opinion, which you're welcome to. I disagree.

>>>>>

>>>>> So, it takes longer to download and install into Windows? Not hardly.

>>>>> Most of the "package manager versions" of all software are a

>>>>> version or

>>>>> two behind. It is so with firefox also.

>>>>

>>>> I don't generally time downloads - with broadband connections - who

>>>> cares! I disagree with your statement that OOo is the only Linux app

>>>> worth anything.

>>>

>>> Come on now, Alias says there are 25,000 of 'em! LOL! 24,999 are crap

>>> and Open Sores Orafice is probably just OK.

>>

>> Liar. I corrected that figure two years ago. Please try to keep up

>> with your lies. You should try telling the truth as it's easier to

>> remember.

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>

> It doesn't really matter.



We know you don't care if everyone knows you're a liar. How could you

when your lies are so obvious?



Go to any store and you won't see any of the

> Linux apps! You will see nothing but Windows and Mac apps.

>

> Live with it.

>

>



Linux apps aren't for sale, dumb fuck. You won't find Internet Explorer

on the shelves either.



--

Alias
 
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ray

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:54:13 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:



> "ray" wrote in message

> news:835v97Fhp0U51@mid.individual.net...

>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:09:48 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>

>>> On 4/20/2010 7:46 AM, ray wrote:

>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 21:29:35 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> On 4/19/2010 5:12 PM, ray wrote:

>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:22:11 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 3:42 PM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:05:52 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:8340kdFhp0U41@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:13:38 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 10:29 AM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:29:42 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy! I know I did!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002317-245.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Yawn. I guess that's why so much time, effort and money is

>>>>>>>>>>>> expended in keeping MS machines up and running - while none

>>>>>>>>>>>> of the three on Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Keep telling yourself that myth if it makes you feel better!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Or we could simply compare how much time, money, effort we've

>>>>>>>>>> spent on our respective systems to keep them malware free over

>>>>>>>>>> the last eight years. I'll go first - zero.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You didn't take into account how many hours it took to research

>>>>>>>>> the cryptic line commands you need to enter go get that SHITTY

>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu working right. The countless hours to figure out which

>>>>>>>>> SYNAPTIC programs to install. The countless hours to get the

>>>>>>>>> right drivers for sound, video, and MOBO that are missing. and

>>>>>>>>> on and on and on.........

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You're wrong, as usual.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> No, you're wrong...as usual.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of other

>>>>>>>> Linux distributions and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line

>>>>>>>> commands" to get any of them running at any point. Generally a

>>>>>>>> Linux install is simpler and quicker with many, many more apps

>>>>>>>> included than an MS install.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That is simply not true!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sorry, but it is.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>> Sorry but it isn't. Unlike you, I've actually tried numerous linux

>>>>> distros over the years and I'm pretty sure you have never installed

>>>>> Vista or 7.

>>>>

>>>> So now you're telling me that you have tried numerous Linux

>>>> distributions and I have not.

>>>>

>>>> Yeah, sure.

>>>

>>> You are that stupid huh?

>>> Too bad.

>>

>> I will believe that you have installed a couple of Linux systems. Your

>> comments, however, show that you have never seriously TRIED one. There

>> is a difference. For the record, I had a subscription to Linux Pro for

>> a few years and generally tried the 'distro of the month' as it came

>> with each issue - often in a VM - sometimes on one or two dedicated

>> partitions of my 'testing' machine. Most of them I did not do a

>> detailed analysis on - I simply attempted to get a sense of the flavor.

>> I doubt you did that much.

>>

>>

> CORRECTION: You had a subscription to Hustler and told your wife it was

> a subscription to Linux Pro!



I wonder why you keep projecting your foibles onto other folks?
 
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Alias

ray wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:54:13 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>

>> "ray" wrote in message

>> news:835v97Fhp0U51@mid.individual.net...

>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:09:48 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> On 4/20/2010 7:46 AM, ray wrote:

>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 21:29:35 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 5:12 PM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:22:11 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 3:42 PM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:05:52 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:8340kdFhp0U41@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:13:38 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 10:29 AM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:29:42 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy! I know I did!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002317-245.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yawn. I guess that's why so much time, effort and money is

>>>>>>>>>>>>> expended in keeping MS machines up and running - while none

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the three on Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep telling yourself that myth if it makes you feel better!

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Or we could simply compare how much time, money, effort we've

>>>>>>>>>>> spent on our respective systems to keep them malware free over

>>>>>>>>>>> the last eight years. I'll go first - zero.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You didn't take into account how many hours it took to research

>>>>>>>>>> the cryptic line commands you need to enter go get that SHITTY

>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu working right. The countless hours to figure out which

>>>>>>>>>> SYNAPTIC programs to install. The countless hours to get the

>>>>>>>>>> right drivers for sound, video, and MOBO that are missing. and

>>>>>>>>>> on and on and on.........

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You're wrong, as usual.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> No, you're wrong...as usual.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of other

>>>>>>>>> Linux distributions and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line

>>>>>>>>> commands" to get any of them running at any point. Generally a

>>>>>>>>> Linux install is simpler and quicker with many, many more apps

>>>>>>>>> included than an MS install.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That is simply not true!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sorry, but it is.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sorry but it isn't. Unlike you, I've actually tried numerous linux

>>>>>> distros over the years and I'm pretty sure you have never installed

>>>>>> Vista or 7.

>>>>>

>>>>> So now you're telling me that you have tried numerous Linux

>>>>> distributions and I have not.

>>>>>

>>>>> Yeah, sure.

>>>>

>>>> You are that stupid huh?

>>>> Too bad.

>>>

>>> I will believe that you have installed a couple of Linux systems. Your

>>> comments, however, show that you have never seriously TRIED one. There

>>> is a difference. For the record, I had a subscription to Linux Pro for

>>> a few years and generally tried the 'distro of the month' as it came

>>> with each issue - often in a VM - sometimes on one or two dedicated

>>> partitions of my 'testing' machine. Most of them I did not do a

>>> detailed analysis on - I simply attempted to get a sense of the flavor.

>>> I doubt you did that much.

>>>

>>>

>> CORRECTION: You had a subscription to Hustler and told your wife it was

>> a subscription to Linux Pro!

>

> I wonder why you keep projecting your foibles onto other folks?



He's just imitating Frank, his hero.



--

Alias
 
B

Bill Yanaire

"Alias" wrote in message

news:hqkqdg$la2$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Alias" wrote in message

>> news:hqkhpf$j3j$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>> news:834gsoFhp0U47@mid.individual.net...

>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 03:02:07 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:36:55 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:05:52 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:8340kdFhp0U41@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:13:38 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 10:29 AM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:29:42 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy! I know I did!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002317-245.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yawn. I guess that's why so much time, effort and money is

>>>>>>>>>>>>> expended in keeping MS machines up and running - while none of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the three on Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep telling yourself that myth if it makes you feel better!

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Or we could simply compare how much time, money, effort we've

>>>>>>>>>>> spent

>>>>>>>>>>> on our respective systems to keep them malware free over the

>>>>>>>>>>> last

>>>>>>>>>>> eight years. I'll go first - zero.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You didn't take into account how many hours it took to research

>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> cryptic line commands you need to enter go get that SHITTY Ubuntu

>>>>>>>>>> working right. The countless hours to figure out which SYNAPTIC

>>>>>>>>>> programs to install. The countless hours to get the right drivers

>>>>>>>>>> for sound, video, and MOBO that are missing. and on and on and

>>>>>>>>>> on.........

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You're wrong, as usual. I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of

>>>>>>>>> other

>>>>>>>>> Linux distributions and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line

>>>>>>>>> commands" to get any of them running at any point. Generally a

>>>>>>>>> Linux

>>>>>>>>> install is simpler and quicker with many, many more apps included

>>>>>>>>> than an MS install. Now, if you'd like to count all the time you

>>>>>>>>> spent hunting down or buying and installing apps equivalent to

>>>>>>>>> what

>>>>>>>>> are already included in Linux, you'll be ever further behind!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You should try Fedora.

>>>>>>>> Just getting the nvidia drivers installed, the nouveau drivers

>>>>>>>> blacklisted is a trial.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Why would I want to do that? Quite frankly, I'm not enamoured of RPM

>>>>>>> distributions - I much prefer Debian package management.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> RPM package dependency hell is over.

>>>>>> I like the presto rpmdelta system that cuts way down on update sizes.

>>>>>> The first one I did the 425MB dl was only 180MB.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hate to tell you, but the only "free app" worth a shit in Linux is

>>>>>>>> Open Office ... and downloading that into Windows takes no longer

>>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>> in Linux, and the Windows version is more likely to be the newer

>>>>>>>> version than the "pre-packaged version" most distros have in their

>>>>>>>> package manager.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That's your opinion, which you're welcome to. I disagree.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, it takes longer to download and install into Windows? Not hardly.

>>>>>> Most of the "package manager versions" of all software are a

>>>>>> version or

>>>>>> two behind. It is so with firefox also.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't generally time downloads - with broadband connections - who

>>>>> cares! I disagree with your statement that OOo is the only Linux app

>>>>> worth anything.

>>>>

>>>> Come on now, Alias says there are 25,000 of 'em! LOL! 24,999 are crap

>>>> and Open Sores Orafice is probably just OK.

>>>

>>> Liar. I corrected that figure two years ago. Please try to keep up

>>> with your lies. You should try telling the truth as it's easier to

>>> remember.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>

>> It doesn't really matter.

>

> We know you don't care if everyone knows you're a liar. How could you when

> your lies are so obvious?

>

> Go to any store and you won't see any of the

>> Linux apps! You will see nothing but Windows and Mac apps.

>>

>> Live with it.

>>

>>

>

> Linux apps aren't for sale, dumb fuck. You won't find Internet Explorer on

> the shelves either.

>

> --

> Alias



You're right. They are mostly worthless also.
 
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Alias

Bill Yanaire wrote:

>

>

> "Alias" wrote in message

> news:hqkqdg$la2$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> "Alias" wrote in message

>>> news:hqkhpf$j3j$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>> news:834gsoFhp0U47@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 03:02:07 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:36:55 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:05:52 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>> news:8340kdFhp0U41@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:13:38 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 10:29 AM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:29:42 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy! I know I did!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002317-245.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yawn. I guess that's why so much time, effort and money is

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expended in keeping MS machines up and running - while

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> none of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the three on Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep telling yourself that myth if it makes you feel better!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Or we could simply compare how much time, money, effort we've

>>>>>>>>>>>> spent

>>>>>>>>>>>> on our respective systems to keep them malware free over the

>>>>>>>>>>>> last

>>>>>>>>>>>> eight years. I'll go first - zero.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't take into account how many hours it took to research

>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> cryptic line commands you need to enter go get that SHITTY

>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu

>>>>>>>>>>> working right. The countless hours to figure out which SYNAPTIC

>>>>>>>>>>> programs to install. The countless hours to get the right

>>>>>>>>>>> drivers

>>>>>>>>>>> for sound, video, and MOBO that are missing. and on and on and

>>>>>>>>>>> on.........

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You're wrong, as usual. I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of

>>>>>>>>>> other

>>>>>>>>>> Linux distributions and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line

>>>>>>>>>> commands" to get any of them running at any point. Generally a

>>>>>>>>>> Linux

>>>>>>>>>> install is simpler and quicker with many, many more apps included

>>>>>>>>>> than an MS install. Now, if you'd like to count all the time you

>>>>>>>>>> spent hunting down or buying and installing apps equivalent to

>>>>>>>>>> what

>>>>>>>>>> are already included in Linux, you'll be ever further behind!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You should try Fedora.

>>>>>>>>> Just getting the nvidia drivers installed, the nouveau drivers

>>>>>>>>> blacklisted is a trial.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Why would I want to do that? Quite frankly, I'm not enamoured of

>>>>>>>> RPM

>>>>>>>> distributions - I much prefer Debian package management.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> RPM package dependency hell is over.

>>>>>>> I like the presto rpmdelta system that cuts way down on update

>>>>>>> sizes.

>>>>>>> The first one I did the 425MB dl was only 180MB.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hate to tell you, but the only "free app" worth a shit in Linux is

>>>>>>>>> Open Office ... and downloading that into Windows takes no longer

>>>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>>> in Linux, and the Windows version is more likely to be the newer

>>>>>>>>> version than the "pre-packaged version" most distros have in their

>>>>>>>>> package manager.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That's your opinion, which you're welcome to. I disagree.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So, it takes longer to download and install into Windows? Not

>>>>>>> hardly.

>>>>>>> Most of the "package manager versions" of all software are a

>>>>>>> version or

>>>>>>> two behind. It is so with firefox also.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I don't generally time downloads - with broadband connections - who

>>>>>> cares! I disagree with your statement that OOo is the only Linux app

>>>>>> worth anything.

>>>>>

>>>>> Come on now, Alias says there are 25,000 of 'em! LOL! 24,999 are crap

>>>>> and Open Sores Orafice is probably just OK.

>>>>

>>>> Liar. I corrected that figure two years ago. Please try to keep up

>>>> with your lies. You should try telling the truth as it's easier to

>>>> remember.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> It doesn't really matter.

>>

>> We know you don't care if everyone knows you're a liar. How could you

>> when your lies are so obvious?

>>

>> Go to any store and you won't see any of the

>>> Linux apps! You will see nothing but Windows and Mac apps.

>>>

>>> Live with it.

>>>

>>>

>>

>> Linux apps aren't for sale, dumb fuck. You won't find Internet

>> Explorer on the shelves either.

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>

> You're right. They are mostly worthless also.



You do realize that the word "worthless" is subjective or do you?



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Alias
 
F

Frank

who is this lying linturd pimp named alias?

On 4/20/2010 11:44 AM, Alias wrote:



alias is a drug addicted POS lying fugitive ex-patriot American criminal

hiding out in spain because he is a draft dodging loser who proly has

wants & warrants out for his cowardly weak ass. He is living with wifie

#4's relatives on the second floor of a cheap rundown apartment building

in the slums of a crumbling spanish town.

He spends all of his funds from welfare on hash and he is stoned all of

the time.

For extra money he cheats little old ladies out of their money by

telling them their computers are infected.

Otherwise, he is financially broke.

He is a known and admitted liar, cheat and a thief. He is also an

admitted bigot and atheist.

He is also the most active lying linux troll in this Vista general ng.



One other point...he thinks insulting others family members is a

"parody"...which can lead to only one conclusion...he is an uneducated

stupid ignorant idiot moron POS asshole loser.



Oh and he is also a weak ball-less COWARD hiding behind a keyboard.



This is the sick fuckers idea of a "parody"

-------------------------------

alias wrote:



"Your wife asked me if I would stroke her but I declined as I don't do

dogs. Then she screamed that I am a Linux loving commie atheist loser

and went running out into the street naked repeating that over and over

again. You know, like you do on this newsgroup.



Have you stopped fuçking your daughter yet ... LOL!

Frank, what happened in your childhood that makes you lie so much? Did

your mother have sex with you or was it your father or do you even know

who your father was?

Let me know when you're in Paris so I can go to San Diego and fuck your

wife and daughters.



Frank's a lame pervert who fucks his son and daughter is trying to make

some sense and failing miserably.

Have you stopped fucking your half son yet?

alias wrote:



Did I say Blow Me, because I would love to blow you!

I will also lick anything including my bubba's shit encrusted dick,

when he pulls it out of my fat, stupid ass!

I lick my dog's behind, a lamp post his pisses on, the sidewalk where

his shits, I'll even go down on some

crazy bitch like you. Oh, so you're not a bitch huh? Who cares! I'll

blow anyone, anytime, anywhere!

Just put your sheep costume on first.

I really like that!

Alias"



-----------------------------------------------------



Oh and then the stupid piece of shit actually threatens to come into my

home at 3AM for the purpose of perpetrating physical violence on my family.

He is a vile disgusting cock sucking sheep-fucking son of a cheap whore

and a fucking COWARD!

Nice combo huh?
 
F

Frank

alias gets his ass kicked!

On 4/20/2010 12:19 PM, Alias wrote:

> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Alias" wrote in message

>> news:hqkqdg$la2$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" wrote in message

>>>> news:hqkhpf$j3j$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>> news:834gsoFhp0U47@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 03:02:07 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:36:55 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:05:52 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>>> news:8340kdFhp0U41@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:13:38 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 10:29 AM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:29:42 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy! I know I did!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002317-245.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yawn. I guess that's why so much time, effort and money is

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expended in keeping MS machines up and running - while

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> none of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the three on Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep telling yourself that myth if it makes you feel better!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or we could simply compare how much time, money, effort we've

>>>>>>>>>>>>> spent

>>>>>>>>>>>>> on our respective systems to keep them malware free over the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> last

>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight years. I'll go first - zero.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't take into account how many hours it took to research

>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> cryptic line commands you need to enter go get that SHITTY

>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu

>>>>>>>>>>>> working right. The countless hours to figure out which SYNAPTIC

>>>>>>>>>>>> programs to install. The countless hours to get the right

>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers

>>>>>>>>>>>> for sound, video, and MOBO that are missing. and on and on and

>>>>>>>>>>>> on.........

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> You're wrong, as usual. I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of

>>>>>>>>>>> other

>>>>>>>>>>> Linux distributions and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line

>>>>>>>>>>> commands" to get any of them running at any point. Generally a

>>>>>>>>>>> Linux

>>>>>>>>>>> install is simpler and quicker with many, many more apps

>>>>>>>>>>> included

>>>>>>>>>>> than an MS install. Now, if you'd like to count all the time you

>>>>>>>>>>> spent hunting down or buying and installing apps equivalent to

>>>>>>>>>>> what

>>>>>>>>>>> are already included in Linux, you'll be ever further behind!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You should try Fedora.

>>>>>>>>>> Just getting the nvidia drivers installed, the nouveau drivers

>>>>>>>>>> blacklisted is a trial.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Why would I want to do that? Quite frankly, I'm not enamoured of

>>>>>>>>> RPM

>>>>>>>>> distributions - I much prefer Debian package management.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> RPM package dependency hell is over.

>>>>>>>> I like the presto rpmdelta system that cuts way down on update

>>>>>>>> sizes.

>>>>>>>> The first one I did the 425MB dl was only 180MB.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Hate to tell you, but the only "free app" worth a shit in

>>>>>>>>>> Linux is

>>>>>>>>>> Open Office ... and downloading that into Windows takes no longer

>>>>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>>>> in Linux, and the Windows version is more likely to be the newer

>>>>>>>>>> version than the "pre-packaged version" most distros have in

>>>>>>>>>> their

>>>>>>>>>> package manager.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> That's your opinion, which you're welcome to. I disagree.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So, it takes longer to download and install into Windows? Not

>>>>>>>> hardly.

>>>>>>>> Most of the "package manager versions" of all software are a

>>>>>>>> version or

>>>>>>>> two behind. It is so with firefox also.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I don't generally time downloads - with broadband connections - who

>>>>>>> cares! I disagree with your statement that OOo is the only Linux app

>>>>>>> worth anything.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Come on now, Alias says there are 25,000 of 'em! LOL! 24,999 are crap

>>>>>> and Open Sores Orafice is probably just OK.

>>>>>

>>>>> Liar. I corrected that figure two years ago. Please try to keep up

>>>>> with your lies. You should try telling the truth as it's easier to

>>>>> remember.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> It doesn't really matter.

>>>

>>> We know you don't care if everyone knows you're a liar. How could you

>>> when your lies are so obvious?

>>>

>>> Go to any store and you won't see any of the

>>>> Linux apps! You will see nothing but Windows and Mac apps.

>>>>

>>>> Live with it.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> Linux apps aren't for sale, dumb fuck. You won't find Internet

>>> Explorer on the shelves either.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>

>> You're right. They are mostly worthless also.

>

> You do realize that the word "worthless" is subjective or do you?

>

You do realize that everyone in here kicks your lamers ass and hate your

lying guts.

You do know this right?
 
B

Bill Yanaire

"Alias" wrote in message

news:hqkunm$lj4$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Alias" wrote in message

>> news:hqkqdg$la2$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" wrote in message

>>>> news:hqkhpf$j3j$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>> news:834gsoFhp0U47@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 03:02:07 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:36:55 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:05:52 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>>> news:8340kdFhp0U41@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:13:38 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 10:29 AM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:29:42 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy! I know I did!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002317-245.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yawn. I guess that's why so much time, effort and money is

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expended in keeping MS machines up and running - while

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> none of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the three on Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep telling yourself that myth if it makes you feel better!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or we could simply compare how much time, money, effort we've

>>>>>>>>>>>>> spent

>>>>>>>>>>>>> on our respective systems to keep them malware free over the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> last

>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight years. I'll go first - zero.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't take into account how many hours it took to research

>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> cryptic line commands you need to enter go get that SHITTY

>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu

>>>>>>>>>>>> working right. The countless hours to figure out which SYNAPTIC

>>>>>>>>>>>> programs to install. The countless hours to get the right

>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers

>>>>>>>>>>>> for sound, video, and MOBO that are missing. and on and on and

>>>>>>>>>>>> on.........

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> You're wrong, as usual. I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of

>>>>>>>>>>> other

>>>>>>>>>>> Linux distributions and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line

>>>>>>>>>>> commands" to get any of them running at any point. Generally a

>>>>>>>>>>> Linux

>>>>>>>>>>> install is simpler and quicker with many, many more apps

>>>>>>>>>>> included

>>>>>>>>>>> than an MS install. Now, if you'd like to count all the time you

>>>>>>>>>>> spent hunting down or buying and installing apps equivalent to

>>>>>>>>>>> what

>>>>>>>>>>> are already included in Linux, you'll be ever further behind!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You should try Fedora.

>>>>>>>>>> Just getting the nvidia drivers installed, the nouveau drivers

>>>>>>>>>> blacklisted is a trial.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Why would I want to do that? Quite frankly, I'm not enamoured of

>>>>>>>>> RPM

>>>>>>>>> distributions - I much prefer Debian package management.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> RPM package dependency hell is over.

>>>>>>>> I like the presto rpmdelta system that cuts way down on update

>>>>>>>> sizes.

>>>>>>>> The first one I did the 425MB dl was only 180MB.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Hate to tell you, but the only "free app" worth a shit in Linux

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> Open Office ... and downloading that into Windows takes no longer

>>>>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>>>> in Linux, and the Windows version is more likely to be the newer

>>>>>>>>>> version than the "pre-packaged version" most distros have in

>>>>>>>>>> their

>>>>>>>>>> package manager.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> That's your opinion, which you're welcome to. I disagree.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So, it takes longer to download and install into Windows? Not

>>>>>>>> hardly.

>>>>>>>> Most of the "package manager versions" of all software are a

>>>>>>>> version or

>>>>>>>> two behind. It is so with firefox also.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I don't generally time downloads - with broadband connections - who

>>>>>>> cares! I disagree with your statement that OOo is the only Linux app

>>>>>>> worth anything.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Come on now, Alias says there are 25,000 of 'em! LOL! 24,999 are crap

>>>>>> and Open Sores Orafice is probably just OK.

>>>>>

>>>>> Liar. I corrected that figure two years ago. Please try to keep up

>>>>> with your lies. You should try telling the truth as it's easier to

>>>>> remember.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> It doesn't really matter.

>>>

>>> We know you don't care if everyone knows you're a liar. How could you

>>> when your lies are so obvious?

>>>

>>> Go to any store and you won't see any of the

>>>> Linux apps! You will see nothing but Windows and Mac apps.

>>>>

>>>> Live with it.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> Linux apps aren't for sale, dumb fuck. You won't find Internet

>>> Explorer on the shelves either.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>

>> You're right. They are mostly worthless also.

>

> You do realize that the word "worthless" is subjective or do you?

>

> --

> Alias



Not really. Go ask everyone. They will tell you the same thing. Ubuntu

and most Open Sores applications are worthless. Same meaning. Oops.
 
A

Alias

Bill Yanaire wrote:

>

>

> "Alias" wrote in message

> news:hqkunm$lj4$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> "Alias" wrote in message

>>> news:hqkqdg$la2$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" wrote in message

>>>>> news:hqkhpf$j3j$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:834gsoFhp0U47@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 03:02:07 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:36:55 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:05:52 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:8340kdFhp0U41@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:13:38 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 10:29 AM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:29:42 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy! I know I did!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002317-245.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yawn. I guess that's why so much time, effort and money is

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expended in keeping MS machines up and running - while

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> none of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the three on Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep telling yourself that myth if it makes you feel better!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or we could simply compare how much time, money, effort we've

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spent

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on our respective systems to keep them malware free over the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight years. I'll go first - zero.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't take into account how many hours it took to

>>>>>>>>>>>>> research

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> cryptic line commands you need to enter go get that SHITTY

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu

>>>>>>>>>>>>> working right. The countless hours to figure out which

>>>>>>>>>>>>> SYNAPTIC

>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs to install. The countless hours to get the right

>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers

>>>>>>>>>>>>> for sound, video, and MOBO that are missing. and on and on and

>>>>>>>>>>>>> on.........

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> You're wrong, as usual. I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of

>>>>>>>>>>>> other

>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux distributions and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line

>>>>>>>>>>>> commands" to get any of them running at any point. Generally a

>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux

>>>>>>>>>>>> install is simpler and quicker with many, many more apps

>>>>>>>>>>>> included

>>>>>>>>>>>> than an MS install. Now, if you'd like to count all the time

>>>>>>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>>>>>>> spent hunting down or buying and installing apps equivalent to

>>>>>>>>>>>> what

>>>>>>>>>>>> are already included in Linux, you'll be ever further behind!

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> You should try Fedora.

>>>>>>>>>>> Just getting the nvidia drivers installed, the nouveau drivers

>>>>>>>>>>> blacklisted is a trial.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Why would I want to do that? Quite frankly, I'm not enamoured of

>>>>>>>>>> RPM

>>>>>>>>>> distributions - I much prefer Debian package management.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> RPM package dependency hell is over.

>>>>>>>>> I like the presto rpmdelta system that cuts way down on update

>>>>>>>>> sizes.

>>>>>>>>> The first one I did the 425MB dl was only 180MB.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Hate to tell you, but the only "free app" worth a shit in

>>>>>>>>>>> Linux is

>>>>>>>>>>> Open Office ... and downloading that into Windows takes no

>>>>>>>>>>> longer

>>>>>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>>>>> in Linux, and the Windows version is more likely to be the newer

>>>>>>>>>>> version than the "pre-packaged version" most distros have in

>>>>>>>>>>> their

>>>>>>>>>>> package manager.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> That's your opinion, which you're welcome to. I disagree.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> So, it takes longer to download and install into Windows? Not

>>>>>>>>> hardly.

>>>>>>>>> Most of the "package manager versions" of all software are a

>>>>>>>>> version or

>>>>>>>>> two behind. It is so with firefox also.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I don't generally time downloads - with broadband connections - who

>>>>>>>> cares! I disagree with your statement that OOo is the only Linux

>>>>>>>> app

>>>>>>>> worth anything.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Come on now, Alias says there are 25,000 of 'em! LOL! 24,999 are

>>>>>>> crap

>>>>>>> and Open Sores Orafice is probably just OK.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Liar. I corrected that figure two years ago. Please try to keep up

>>>>>> with your lies. You should try telling the truth as it's easier to

>>>>>> remember.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>> It doesn't really matter.

>>>>

>>>> We know you don't care if everyone knows you're a liar. How could you

>>>> when your lies are so obvious?

>>>>

>>>> Go to any store and you won't see any of the

>>>>> Linux apps! You will see nothing but Windows and Mac apps.

>>>>>

>>>>> Live with it.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Linux apps aren't for sale, dumb fuck. You won't find Internet

>>>> Explorer on the shelves either.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> You're right. They are mostly worthless also.

>>

>> You do realize that the word "worthless" is subjective or do you?

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>

> Not really. Go ask everyone. They will tell you the same thing. Ubuntu

> and most Open Sores applications are worthless. Same meaning. Oops.

>

>

>



Flunk English in school, eh? Figures.



--

Alias
 
F

Frank

On 4/20/2010 4:21 PM, Alias wrote:

> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Alias" wrote in message

>> news:hqkunm$lj4$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" wrote in message

>>>> news:hqkqdg$la2$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Alias" wrote in message

>>>>>> news:hqkhpf$j3j$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:834gsoFhp0U47@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 03:02:07 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:36:55 +0200, Death wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:05:52 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:8340kdFhp0U41@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:13:38 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2010 10:29 AM, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:29:42 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy! I know I did!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002317-245.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yawn. I guess that's why so much time, effort and money is

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expended in keeping MS machines up and running - while

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> none of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the three on Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep telling yourself that myth if it makes you feel

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or we could simply compare how much time, money, effort

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we've

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spent

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on our respective systems to keep them malware free over the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight years. I'll go first - zero.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't take into account how many hours it took to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cryptic line commands you need to enter go get that SHITTY

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working right. The countless hours to figure out which

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SYNAPTIC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs to install. The countless hours to get the right

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for sound, video, and MOBO that are missing. and on and on

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on.........

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're wrong, as usual. I run Ubuntu and Debian and a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> other

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux distributions and I've not had to resort to "cryptic

>>>>>>>>>>>>> line

>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands" to get any of them running at any point. Generally a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux

>>>>>>>>>>>>> install is simpler and quicker with many, many more apps

>>>>>>>>>>>>> included

>>>>>>>>>>>>> than an MS install. Now, if you'd like to count all the time

>>>>>>>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>>>>>>>> spent hunting down or buying and installing apps equivalent to

>>>>>>>>>>>>> what

>>>>>>>>>>>>> are already included in Linux, you'll be ever further behind!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> You should try Fedora.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Just getting the nvidia drivers installed, the nouveau drivers

>>>>>>>>>>>> blacklisted is a trial.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Why would I want to do that? Quite frankly, I'm not enamoured of

>>>>>>>>>>> RPM

>>>>>>>>>>> distributions - I much prefer Debian package management.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> RPM package dependency hell is over.

>>>>>>>>>> I like the presto rpmdelta system that cuts way down on update

>>>>>>>>>> sizes.

>>>>>>>>>> The first one I did the 425MB dl was only 180MB.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Hate to tell you, but the only "free app" worth a shit in

>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux is

>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Office ... and downloading that into Windows takes no

>>>>>>>>>>>> longer

>>>>>>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>>>>>> in Linux, and the Windows version is more likely to be the

>>>>>>>>>>>> newer

>>>>>>>>>>>> version than the "pre-packaged version" most distros have in

>>>>>>>>>>>> their

>>>>>>>>>>>> package manager.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> That's your opinion, which you're welcome to. I disagree.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> So, it takes longer to download and install into Windows? Not

>>>>>>>>>> hardly.

>>>>>>>>>> Most of the "package manager versions" of all software are a

>>>>>>>>>> version or

>>>>>>>>>> two behind. It is so with firefox also.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I don't generally time downloads - with broadband connections -

>>>>>>>>> who

>>>>>>>>> cares! I disagree with your statement that OOo is the only Linux

>>>>>>>>> app

>>>>>>>>> worth anything.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Come on now, Alias says there are 25,000 of 'em! LOL! 24,999 are

>>>>>>>> crap

>>>>>>>> and Open Sores Orafice is probably just OK.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Liar. I corrected that figure two years ago. Please try to keep up

>>>>>>> with your lies. You should try telling the truth as it's easier to

>>>>>>> remember.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It doesn't really matter.

>>>>>

>>>>> We know you don't care if everyone knows you're a liar. How could you

>>>>> when your lies are so obvious?

>>>>>

>>>>> Go to any store and you won't see any of the

>>>>>> Linux apps! You will see nothing but Windows and Mac apps.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Live with it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Linux apps aren't for sale, dumb fuck. You won't find Internet

>>>>> Explorer on the shelves either.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> You're right. They are mostly worthless also.

>>>

>>> You do realize that the word "worthless" is subjective or do you?

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>

>> Not really. Go ask everyone. They will tell you the same thing. Ubuntu

>> and most Open Sores applications are worthless. Same meaning. Oops.

>>

>>

>>

>

> Flunk English in school, eh? Figures.

>

"Flunk English"? Hahahah...it's obvious you did!

Oops!...LOL!
 
J

John B. Slocomb

On 20 Apr 2010 15:21:11 GMT, ray wrote:



>On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:05:18 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>

>> "ray" wrote in message

>> news:8349pqFhp0U45@mid.individual.net...

>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:00:27 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

>>>

>>>> On 19 Apr 2010 22:42:31 GMT, ray wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of other Linux distributions and

>>>>>I've not had to resort to "cryptic line commands" to get any of them

>>>>>running at any point.

>>>>

>>>> Why do you need to run more than one distribution?

>>>>

>>>> Steve

>>>

>>> Taylor the distro to the machine. I run Debian on my wife's netbook and

>>> on a 'lite' desktop because they are better for those architectures. I

>>> run Ubuntu (not the most recent version) on a couple of desktops and a

>>> 2ghz laptop. Run Gentoo on a mini-itx.

>>

>> Wow. Sounds like you have a lot of work to do just to get those

>> INFERIOR distros working.

>

>First, they are not inferior or I would not be using them. Second, no,

>they just simply install and work. Don't believe I've spent more than 45

>minutes on any install except Gentoo - and I was prepared for that.

>

>> So one is better for certain

>> "architectures"? What does that mean? They are not compatible with the

>> hardware? Sounds like it. If you need to run a few different OS!

>> With Windows, all you need to do is install it, the updates will run and

>> load your apps. Simple.

>

>For example, my mini-itx box with 1ghz VIA C3 is underpowered. You would

>not be able, for example, to run any modern MS on it. With a fully

>optimized Gentoo, it's performance is quite good. It's not a hardware

>compatibility issue at all - it's a performance level issue.

>

>>

>> Now go spend another 10 hours looking up what needs to be fixed on each

>> distro, look into drivers and see if you can find them and then go spend

>> some time watching the spinning cube. LOL!

>

>I've spent three minutes the last few months checking what needs to be

>fixed on each distro. Final analysis: nothing needs to be fixed - they're

>all working perfectly.





That all sounds wonderful but I believe that there are a few flies in

the ointment. For example:



Can you, for example, say with any degree of certainty, that your

Linux will be able to use any printer, as Windows can? Canon, comes to

mind here. Will your Linux work with any Wi-Fi adapter? Will your

Linux be able to play MP3 files (out of the box) - the most widely

used music codex?



John B. Slocomb

(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
 
J

John B. Slocomb

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:28:59 +0200, Alias

wrote:



>Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>

>>

>> "ray" wrote in message

>> news:8349pqFhp0U45@mid.individual.net...

>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:00:27 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

>>>

>>>> On 19 Apr 2010 22:42:31 GMT, ray wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of other Linux distributions and

>>>>> I've not had to resort to "cryptic line commands" to get any of them

>>>>> running at any point.

>>>>

>>>> Why do you need to run more than one distribution?

>>>>

>>>> Steve

>>>

>>> Taylor the distro to the machine. I run Debian on my wife's netbook and

>>> on a 'lite' desktop because they are better for those architectures. I

>>> run Ubuntu (not the most recent version) on a couple of desktops and a

>>> 2ghz laptop. Run Gentoo on a mini-itx.

>>

>> Wow. Sounds like you have a lot of work to do just to get those INFERIOR

>> distros working. So one is better for certain "architectures"? What does

>> that mean? They are not compatible with the hardware? Sounds like it. If

>> you need to run a few different OS! With Windows, all you need to do is

>> install it, the updates will run and load your apps. Simple.

>>

>> Now go spend another 10 hours looking up what needs to be fixed on each

>> distro, look into drivers and see if you can find them and then go spend

>> some time watching the spinning cube. LOL!

>>

>>

>>

>

>Lies:

>

>No need to use a command line.

>

>The cube does not spin by itself.

>

>Drivers are not a problem in Ubuntu like they are in Windows 7

>

>The architecture is the structure where to access the root kernel, you

>need to key in your password or it ain't going there. In Windows, most

>programs are intertwined with the registry (MS' stupid name for a

>kernel) and are therefore more vulnerable.





You really don't have a clue, do you?



"Root Kernel"? What in the world is the "root kernel"? Is it different

from the "kernel" or is it a "kernel" that only the root account can

use?



"Drivers are not a problem in Ubuntu like they are in Windows"? Come

now, have you even installed a Canon printer on Ubuntu? Unless you

have one of a very limited, usually outdated, models you need to

search the Web to find a driver. In fact Linux has so much

difficulties with drivers that they have developed a special piece of

software to allow you to use Windows drivers with Linux.



The Registry is "MS' stupid name for a kernel? Whew, you really are

ignorant of how the various systems work, aren't you.



(Perhaps, if you changed your name from "Alias" to "Ignorant", it

would make your posts more appropriate.)



John B. Slocomb

(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
 
R

ray

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:24:59 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote:



> On 20 Apr 2010 15:21:11 GMT, ray wrote:

>

>>On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:05:18 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>

>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>> news:8349pqFhp0U45@mid.individual.net...

>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:00:27 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> On 19 Apr 2010 22:42:31 GMT, ray wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of other Linux distributions

>>>>>>and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line commands" to get any of

>>>>>>them running at any point.

>>>>>

>>>>> Why do you need to run more than one distribution?

>>>>>

>>>>> Steve

>>>>

>>>> Taylor the distro to the machine. I run Debian on my wife's netbook

>>>> and on a 'lite' desktop because they are better for those

>>>> architectures. I run Ubuntu (not the most recent version) on a couple

>>>> of desktops and a 2ghz laptop. Run Gentoo on a mini-itx.

>>>

>>> Wow. Sounds like you have a lot of work to do just to get those

>>> INFERIOR distros working.

>>

>>First, they are not inferior or I would not be using them. Second, no,

>>they just simply install and work. Don't believe I've spent more than 45

>>minutes on any install except Gentoo - and I was prepared for that.

>>

>>> So one is better for certain

>>> "architectures"? What does that mean? They are not compatible with

>>> the hardware? Sounds like it. If you need to run a few different OS!

>>> With Windows, all you need to do is install it, the updates will run

>>> and load your apps. Simple.

>>

>>For example, my mini-itx box with 1ghz VIA C3 is underpowered. You would

>>not be able, for example, to run any modern MS on it. With a fully

>>optimized Gentoo, it's performance is quite good. It's not a hardware

>>compatibility issue at all - it's a performance level issue.

>>

>>

>>> Now go spend another 10 hours looking up what needs to be fixed on

>>> each distro, look into drivers and see if you can find them and then

>>> go spend some time watching the spinning cube. LOL!

>>

>>I've spent three minutes the last few months checking what needs to be

>>fixed on each distro. Final analysis: nothing needs to be fixed -

>>they're all working perfectly.

>

>

> That all sounds wonderful but I believe that there are a few flies in

> the ointment. For example:

>

> Can you, for example, say with any degree of certainty, that your Linux

> will be able to use any printer, as Windows can? Canon, comes to mind

> here. Will your Linux work with any Wi-Fi adapter? Will your Linux be

> able to play MP3 files (out of the box) - the most widely used music

> codex?

>

> John B. Slocomb

> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)



Canon does not support Linux. I do not use Canon products for that

reason. This is a Canon issue, not a Linux issue. Several vendors do work

with Linux - e.g. Epson (avasys.jp), HP, Brother, Samsung.



It works with every wifi adapter I've tried - I don't really care about

the others.



I don't have any problems playing mp3 files - though I don't generally

use a computer for a music machine - there are much better ways to attain

that.
 
J

John B. Slocomb

On 21 Apr 2010 00:39:45 GMT, ray wrote:



>On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:24:59 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote:

>

>> On 20 Apr 2010 15:21:11 GMT, ray wrote:

>>

>>>On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:05:18 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>

>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>> news:8349pqFhp0U45@mid.individual.net...

>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:00:27 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On 19 Apr 2010 22:42:31 GMT, ray wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of other Linux distributions

>>>>>>>and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line commands" to get any of

>>>>>>>them running at any point.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Why do you need to run more than one distribution?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Steve

>>>>>

>>>>> Taylor the distro to the machine. I run Debian on my wife's netbook

>>>>> and on a 'lite' desktop because they are better for those

>>>>> architectures. I run Ubuntu (not the most recent version) on a couple

>>>>> of desktops and a 2ghz laptop. Run Gentoo on a mini-itx.

>>>>

>>>> Wow. Sounds like you have a lot of work to do just to get those

>>>> INFERIOR distros working.

>>>

>>>First, they are not inferior or I would not be using them. Second, no,

>>>they just simply install and work. Don't believe I've spent more than 45

>>>minutes on any install except Gentoo - and I was prepared for that.

>>>

>>>> So one is better for certain

>>>> "architectures"? What does that mean? They are not compatible with

>>>> the hardware? Sounds like it. If you need to run a few different OS!

>>>> With Windows, all you need to do is install it, the updates will run

>>>> and load your apps. Simple.

>>>

>>>For example, my mini-itx box with 1ghz VIA C3 is underpowered. You would

>>>not be able, for example, to run any modern MS on it. With a fully

>>>optimized Gentoo, it's performance is quite good. It's not a hardware

>>>compatibility issue at all - it's a performance level issue.

>>>

>>>

>>>> Now go spend another 10 hours looking up what needs to be fixed on

>>>> each distro, look into drivers and see if you can find them and then

>>>> go spend some time watching the spinning cube. LOL!

>>>

>>>I've spent three minutes the last few months checking what needs to be

>>>fixed on each distro. Final analysis: nothing needs to be fixed -

>>>they're all working perfectly.

>>

>>

>> That all sounds wonderful but I believe that there are a few flies in

>> the ointment. For example:

>>

>> Can you, for example, say with any degree of certainty, that your Linux

>> will be able to use any printer, as Windows can? Canon, comes to mind

>> here. Will your Linux work with any Wi-Fi adapter? Will your Linux be

>> able to play MP3 files (out of the box) - the most widely used music

>> codex?

>>

>> John B. Slocomb

>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

>

>Canon does not support Linux. I do not use Canon products for that

>reason. This is a Canon issue, not a Linux issue. Several vendors do work

>with Linux - e.g. Epson (avasys.jp), HP, Brother, Samsung.



Correct and I was responding to the thought that installing Linux was

always a simple project when quite often it is not. I certainly do not

believe that it is logical to suggest that I junk my perfectly

serviceable Canon printer simply because I would like to run Linux,

nor would it be if I wanted to run Windows.



>

>It works with every wifi adapter I've tried - I don't really care about

>the others.



Again, that is rationalization. I recently bought a "long range" wi-fi

unit.. didn't work with Ubuntu. Can't locate a Linux driver. Probably

because it is a cheap Chinese import but the point, which you seem to

reinforce by your comments, is that Linux may not be the "put in the

disk and have a cup of coffee" installation that some have claimed it

is.



>I don't have any problems playing mp3 files - though I don't generally

>use a computer for a music machine - there are much better ways to attain

>that.





Ubuntu plays MP3 out of the box? Or after installing those non-open

source drivers? What version was that? Debian plays MP3 out of the

box? I thought that Debian was one of the "holier then thou: advocates

of open source.



John B. Slocomb

(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
 
A

Alias

John B. Slocomb wrote:

> On 21 Apr 2010 00:39:45 GMT, ray wrote:

>

>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:24:59 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote:

>>

>>> On 20 Apr 2010 15:21:11 GMT, ray wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:05:18 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>> news:8349pqFhp0U45@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:00:27 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On 19 Apr 2010 22:42:31 GMT, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of other Linux distributions

>>>>>>>> and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line commands" to get any of

>>>>>>>> them running at any point.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Why do you need to run more than one distribution?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Steve

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Taylor the distro to the machine. I run Debian on my wife's netbook

>>>>>> and on a 'lite' desktop because they are better for those

>>>>>> architectures. I run Ubuntu (not the most recent version) on a couple

>>>>>> of desktops and a 2ghz laptop. Run Gentoo on a mini-itx.

>>>>>

>>>>> Wow. Sounds like you have a lot of work to do just to get those

>>>>> INFERIOR distros working.

>>>>

>>>> First, they are not inferior or I would not be using them. Second, no,

>>>> they just simply install and work. Don't believe I've spent more than 45

>>>> minutes on any install except Gentoo - and I was prepared for that.

>>>>

>>>>> So one is better for certain

>>>>> "architectures"? What does that mean? They are not compatible with

>>>>> the hardware? Sounds like it. If you need to run a few different OS!

>>>>> With Windows, all you need to do is install it, the updates will run

>>>>> and load your apps. Simple.

>>>>

>>>> For example, my mini-itx box with 1ghz VIA C3 is underpowered. You would

>>>> not be able, for example, to run any modern MS on it. With a fully

>>>> optimized Gentoo, it's performance is quite good. It's not a hardware

>>>> compatibility issue at all - it's a performance level issue.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Now go spend another 10 hours looking up what needs to be fixed on

>>>>> each distro, look into drivers and see if you can find them and then

>>>>> go spend some time watching the spinning cube. LOL!

>>>>

>>>> I've spent three minutes the last few months checking what needs to be

>>>> fixed on each distro. Final analysis: nothing needs to be fixed -

>>>> they're all working perfectly.

>>>

>>>

>>> That all sounds wonderful but I believe that there are a few flies in

>>> the ointment. For example:

>>>

>>> Can you, for example, say with any degree of certainty, that your Linux

>>> will be able to use any printer, as Windows can? Canon, comes to mind

>>> here. Will your Linux work with any Wi-Fi adapter? Will your Linux be

>>> able to play MP3 files (out of the box) - the most widely used music

>>> codex?

>>>

>>> John B. Slocomb

>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

>>

>> Canon does not support Linux. I do not use Canon products for that

>> reason. This is a Canon issue, not a Linux issue. Several vendors do work

>> with Linux - e.g. Epson (avasys.jp), HP, Brother, Samsung.

>

> Correct and I was responding to the thought that installing Linux was

> always a simple project when quite often it is not. I certainly do not

> believe that it is logical to suggest that I junk my perfectly

> serviceable Canon printer simply because I would like to run Linux,

> nor would it be if I wanted to run Windows.



Printers are cheap.



>

>>

>> It works with every wifi adapter I've tried - I don't really care about

>> the others.

>

> Again, that is rationalization. I recently bought a "long range" wi-fi

> unit.. didn't work with Ubuntu. Can't locate a Linux driver. Probably

> because it is a cheap Chinese import but the point, which you seem to

> reinforce by your comments, is that Linux may not be the "put in the

> disk and have a cup of coffee" installation that some have claimed it

> is.



WiFi cards are cheap.

>

>> I don't have any problems playing mp3 files - though I don't generally

>> use a computer for a music machine - there are much better ways to attain

>> that.

>

>

> Ubuntu plays MP3 out of the box? Or after installing those non-open

> source drivers? What version was that? Debian plays MP3 out of the

> box? I thought that Debian was one of the "holier then thou: advocates

> of open source.

>

> John B. Slocomb

> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)



Windows plays Flac out of the box? Fact is you can play all formats in

Linux and, unless you live in the USA, it's perfectly LEGAL to install

the restricted extras.



--

Alias
 
A

Alias

John B. Slocomb wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:28:59 +0200, Alias

> wrote:

>

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>> news:8349pqFhp0U45@mid.individual.net...

>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:00:27 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> On 19 Apr 2010 22:42:31 GMT, ray wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of other Linux distributions and

>>>>>> I've not had to resort to "cryptic line commands" to get any of them

>>>>>> running at any point.

>>>>>

>>>>> Why do you need to run more than one distribution?

>>>>>

>>>>> Steve

>>>>

>>>> Taylor the distro to the machine. I run Debian on my wife's netbook and

>>>> on a 'lite' desktop because they are better for those architectures. I

>>>> run Ubuntu (not the most recent version) on a couple of desktops and a

>>>> 2ghz laptop. Run Gentoo on a mini-itx.

>>>

>>> Wow. Sounds like you have a lot of work to do just to get those INFERIOR

>>> distros working. So one is better for certain "architectures"? What does

>>> that mean? They are not compatible with the hardware? Sounds like it. If

>>> you need to run a few different OS! With Windows, all you need to do is

>>> install it, the updates will run and load your apps. Simple.

>>>

>>> Now go spend another 10 hours looking up what needs to be fixed on each

>>> distro, look into drivers and see if you can find them and then go spend

>>> some time watching the spinning cube. LOL!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>> Lies:

>>

>> No need to use a command line.

>>

>> The cube does not spin by itself.

>>

>> Drivers are not a problem in Ubuntu like they are in Windows 7

>>

>> The architecture is the structure where to access the root kernel, you

>> need to key in your password or it ain't going there. In Windows, most

>> programs are intertwined with the registry (MS' stupid name for a

>> kernel) and are therefore more vulnerable.

>

>

> You really don't have a clue, do you?

>

> "Root Kernel"? What in the world is the "root kernel"? Is it different

> from the "kernel" or is it a "kernel" that only the root account can

> use?



Picky semantics are all you got?



>

> "Drivers are not a problem in Ubuntu like they are in Windows"? Come

> now, have you even installed a Canon printer on Ubuntu?



Of course not. Why should I?



> Unless you

> have one of a very limited, usually outdated, models you need to

> search the Web to find a driver. In fact Linux has so much

> difficulties with drivers that they have developed a special piece of

> software to allow you to use Windows drivers with Linux.



I connected my HP all-in-one and Ubuntu installed it automagically

without one single click. Printers are cheap. Are you a cheapskate?



>

> The Registry is "MS' stupid name for a kernel? Whew, you really are

> ignorant of how the various systems work, aren't you.

>

> (Perhaps, if you changed your name from "Alias" to "Ignorant", it

> would make your posts more appropriate.)

>

> John B. Slocomb

> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)



Perhaps if you were to look up the term "ad hominem" you would realize

what a piss poor debater you are.



--

Alias
 
J

John B. Slocomb

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:34:39 +0200, Alias

wrote:



>John B. Slocomb wrote:

>> On 21 Apr 2010 00:39:45 GMT, ray wrote:

>>

>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:24:59 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote:

>>>

>>>> On 20 Apr 2010 15:21:11 GMT, ray wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:05:18 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>> news:8349pqFhp0U45@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:00:27 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On 19 Apr 2010 22:42:31 GMT, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of other Linux distributions

>>>>>>>>> and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line commands" to get any of

>>>>>>>>> them running at any point.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Why do you need to run more than one distribution?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Steve

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Taylor the distro to the machine. I run Debian on my wife's netbook

>>>>>>> and on a 'lite' desktop because they are better for those

>>>>>>> architectures. I run Ubuntu (not the most recent version) on a couple

>>>>>>> of desktops and a 2ghz laptop. Run Gentoo on a mini-itx.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Wow. Sounds like you have a lot of work to do just to get those

>>>>>> INFERIOR distros working.

>>>>>

>>>>> First, they are not inferior or I would not be using them. Second, no,

>>>>> they just simply install and work. Don't believe I've spent more than 45

>>>>> minutes on any install except Gentoo - and I was prepared for that.

>>>>>

>>>>>> So one is better for certain

>>>>>> "architectures"? What does that mean? They are not compatible with

>>>>>> the hardware? Sounds like it. If you need to run a few different OS!

>>>>>> With Windows, all you need to do is install it, the updates will run

>>>>>> and load your apps. Simple.

>>>>>

>>>>> For example, my mini-itx box with 1ghz VIA C3 is underpowered. You would

>>>>> not be able, for example, to run any modern MS on it. With a fully

>>>>> optimized Gentoo, it's performance is quite good. It's not a hardware

>>>>> compatibility issue at all - it's a performance level issue.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Now go spend another 10 hours looking up what needs to be fixed on

>>>>>> each distro, look into drivers and see if you can find them and then

>>>>>> go spend some time watching the spinning cube. LOL!

>>>>>

>>>>> I've spent three minutes the last few months checking what needs to be

>>>>> fixed on each distro. Final analysis: nothing needs to be fixed -

>>>>> they're all working perfectly.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> That all sounds wonderful but I believe that there are a few flies in

>>>> the ointment. For example:

>>>>

>>>> Can you, for example, say with any degree of certainty, that your Linux

>>>> will be able to use any printer, as Windows can? Canon, comes to mind

>>>> here. Will your Linux work with any Wi-Fi adapter? Will your Linux be

>>>> able to play MP3 files (out of the box) - the most widely used music

>>>> codex?

>>>>

>>>> John B. Slocomb

>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

>>>

>>> Canon does not support Linux. I do not use Canon products for that

>>> reason. This is a Canon issue, not a Linux issue. Several vendors do work

>>> with Linux - e.g. Epson (avasys.jp), HP, Brother, Samsung.

>>

>> Correct and I was responding to the thought that installing Linux was

>> always a simple project when quite often it is not. I certainly do not

>> believe that it is logical to suggest that I junk my perfectly

>> serviceable Canon printer simply because I would like to run Linux,

>> nor would it be if I wanted to run Windows.

>

>Printers are cheap.

>

>>

>>>

>>> It works with every wifi adapter I've tried - I don't really care about

>>> the others.

>>

>> Again, that is rationalization. I recently bought a "long range" wi-fi

>> unit.. didn't work with Ubuntu. Can't locate a Linux driver. Probably

>> because it is a cheap Chinese import but the point, which you seem to

>> reinforce by your comments, is that Linux may not be the "put in the

>> disk and have a cup of coffee" installation that some have claimed it

>> is.

>

>WiFi cards are cheap.

>>

>>> I don't have any problems playing mp3 files - though I don't generally

>>> use a computer for a music machine - there are much better ways to attain

>>> that.

>>

>>

>> Ubuntu plays MP3 out of the box? Or after installing those non-open

>> source drivers? What version was that? Debian plays MP3 out of the

>> box? I thought that Debian was one of the "holier then thou: advocates

>> of open source.

>>

>> John B. Slocomb

>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

>

>Windows plays Flac out of the box? Fact is you can play all formats in

>Linux and, unless you live in the USA, it's perfectly LEGAL to install

>the restricted extras.





Ah! Such a liar. And himself telling us about his Linux experience.



Your beloved Ubuntu will not play MP3 files without downloading a non

open-source driver and hasn't for at least the past three years, and

probably never did, so don't be telling us that it does.







John B. Slocomb

(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
 
A

Alias

John B. Slocomb wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:34:39 +0200, Alias

> wrote:

>

>> John B. Slocomb wrote:

>>> On 21 Apr 2010 00:39:45 GMT, ray wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:24:59 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> On 20 Apr 2010 15:21:11 GMT, ray wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:05:18 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "ray" wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:8349pqFhp0U45@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:00:27 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On 19 Apr 2010 22:42:31 GMT, ray wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I run Ubuntu and Debian and a couple of other Linux distributions

>>>>>>>>>> and I've not had to resort to "cryptic line commands" to get any of

>>>>>>>>>> them running at any point.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Why do you need to run more than one distribution?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Steve

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Taylor the distro to the machine. I run Debian on my wife's netbook

>>>>>>>> and on a 'lite' desktop because they are better for those

>>>>>>>> architectures. I run Ubuntu (not the most recent version) on a couple

>>>>>>>> of desktops and a 2ghz laptop. Run Gentoo on a mini-itx.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Wow. Sounds like you have a lot of work to do just to get those

>>>>>>> INFERIOR distros working.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> First, they are not inferior or I would not be using them. Second, no,

>>>>>> they just simply install and work. Don't believe I've spent more than 45

>>>>>> minutes on any install except Gentoo - and I was prepared for that.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So one is better for certain

>>>>>>> "architectures"? What does that mean? They are not compatible with

>>>>>>> the hardware? Sounds like it. If you need to run a few different OS!

>>>>>>> With Windows, all you need to do is install it, the updates will run

>>>>>>> and load your apps. Simple.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For example, my mini-itx box with 1ghz VIA C3 is underpowered. You would

>>>>>> not be able, for example, to run any modern MS on it. With a fully

>>>>>> optimized Gentoo, it's performance is quite good. It's not a hardware

>>>>>> compatibility issue at all - it's a performance level issue.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Now go spend another 10 hours looking up what needs to be fixed on

>>>>>>> each distro, look into drivers and see if you can find them and then

>>>>>>> go spend some time watching the spinning cube. LOL!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I've spent three minutes the last few months checking what needs to be

>>>>>> fixed on each distro. Final analysis: nothing needs to be fixed -

>>>>>> they're all working perfectly.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> That all sounds wonderful but I believe that there are a few flies in

>>>>> the ointment. For example:

>>>>>

>>>>> Can you, for example, say with any degree of certainty, that your Linux

>>>>> will be able to use any printer, as Windows can? Canon, comes to mind

>>>>> here. Will your Linux work with any Wi-Fi adapter? Will your Linux be

>>>>> able to play MP3 files (out of the box) - the most widely used music

>>>>> codex?

>>>>>

>>>>> John B. Slocomb

>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

>>>>

>>>> Canon does not support Linux. I do not use Canon products for that

>>>> reason. This is a Canon issue, not a Linux issue. Several vendors do work

>>>> with Linux - e.g. Epson (avasys.jp), HP, Brother, Samsung.

>>>

>>> Correct and I was responding to the thought that installing Linux was

>>> always a simple project when quite often it is not. I certainly do not

>>> believe that it is logical to suggest that I junk my perfectly

>>> serviceable Canon printer simply because I would like to run Linux,

>>> nor would it be if I wanted to run Windows.

>>

>> Printers are cheap.

>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> It works with every wifi adapter I've tried - I don't really care about

>>>> the others.

>>>

>>> Again, that is rationalization. I recently bought a "long range" wi-fi

>>> unit.. didn't work with Ubuntu. Can't locate a Linux driver. Probably

>>> because it is a cheap Chinese import but the point, which you seem to

>>> reinforce by your comments, is that Linux may not be the "put in the

>>> disk and have a cup of coffee" installation that some have claimed it

>>> is.

>>

>> WiFi cards are cheap.

>>>

>>>> I don't have any problems playing mp3 files - though I don't generally

>>>> use a computer for a music machine - there are much better ways to attain

>>>> that.

>>>

>>>

>>> Ubuntu plays MP3 out of the box? Or after installing those non-open

>>> source drivers? What version was that? Debian plays MP3 out of the

>>> box? I thought that Debian was one of the "holier then thou: advocates

>>> of open source.

>>>

>>> John B. Slocomb

>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

>>

>> Windows plays Flac out of the box? Fact is you can play all formats in

>> Linux and, unless you live in the USA, it's perfectly LEGAL to install

>> the restricted extras.

>

>

> Ah! Such a liar. And himself telling us about his Linux experience.

>

> Your beloved Ubuntu will not play MP3 files without downloading a non

> open-source driver and hasn't for at least the past three years, and

> probably never did, so don't be telling us that it does.

>

>

>

> John B. Slocomb

> johnbslocomb@gmail.com



I didn't. I said one had to install the restricted extras. You have a

serious reading comprehension problem, sonny.



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