P166 to run DOS 6?

[Curt Christianson]

*I'm* looking forward to that story. I ran 98SE on an 85 MHz Pentium
Overdrive® (a P24T, to be exact). Really just a souped-up 486. 32MB RAM.
It was actually my *favorite* setup of all.

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|
| "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| news:9FD75BD6-CD06-4D96-A44F-397C4FEFCE38@microsoft.com...
| > Thanks for sharing, philo.
|
|
|
| Sure thing...
| I'll save my story of win98 on a 386 for another day <G>
|
|

 

[philo]

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> *I'm* looking forward to that story. I ran 98SE on an 85 MHz Pentium
> Overdrive® (a P24T, to be exact). Really just a souped-up 486. 32MB RAM.
> It was actually my *favorite* setup of all.
>
>


Ok, first off...
Win98 cannot be installed on a 386...Just wanted to make that clear.

But one can put a drive with Win98 already on it into a 386...
I tried it after installing it on a P-1 then deleting as much of the H/W as
I could in the control panel.

But Win98 crashed. I eventually "cheated" and tried a Win98lite installation
it used the win95 explorer
shell...and after quite a bit of tweaking I actually did get Win98 to
function on a 386

here is a screenshot

http://www.plazaearth.com/philo/win98_386.jpg

 

[Curt Christianson]

Philo,

That's fantastic! LOL.

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"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:ufDjZ6E8HHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|
| "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:uje5S2B8HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > *I'm* looking forward to that story. I ran 98SE on an 85 MHz Pentium
| > Overdrive® (a P24T, to be exact). Really just a souped-up 486. 32MB
RAM.
| > It was actually my *favorite* setup of all.
| >
| >
|
|
| Ok, first off...
| Win98 cannot be installed on a 386...Just wanted to make that clear.
|
| But one can put a drive with Win98 already on it into a 386...
| I tried it after installing it on a P-1 then deleting as much of the H/W
as
| I could in the control panel.
|
| But Win98 crashed. I eventually "cheated" and tried a Win98lite
installation
| it used the win95 explorer
| shell...and after quite a bit of tweaking I actually did get Win98 to
| function on a 386
|
| here is a screenshot
|
| http://www.plazaearth.com/philo/win98_386.jpg
|
|

 

[philo]

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Philo,
>
> That's fantastic! LOL.
>


It was a lot of (useless) fun.

BTW: The most useless thing I did was to use the DOS GUI Browser Arachne on
a 286.

Though Arachne is a great browser for a 386 and above...the results were
pretty funny with the 286.

It could load text-based web pages...Just for fun I did try a graphics-based
web page.

It took a full 15 minutes...only to give the dreaded red "X" <G>

 

[Curt Christianson]

Philo,

I can only imagine, as I've never tried anything like *that*.

The first experience I had with computers was somebody gave me an old
Northgate box, with 4MB RAM, a 386 @??, and a 55MB HD. I had countless
versions of DOS I could play with,(I loved v.6.22), and settled with WFW
3.11. It didn't have a modem, and I seriously wonder if it could do
*anything* but pure text stuff on the Internet--if that.That was in 1996.

I got an old Packard Bell for my birthday in 2000. It had *2* HD's totalling
**1.6 GB**!! 16 MB RAM, plus 4MB RAM on the MB, so a total of 20MB. This
is the one with the P24T, Pentium Overdrive® @ 85MHz (100 MHz depending on
whose benchmark you used). Oh, a 28.8 modem, 2-button mouse, and 14"
monitor and a "real" IBM keyboard. It came with W98SE.
I *did* have that machine on the 'net from 2000-2006, starting with 1000
free hours thanks to AOL. Slow as molasses, but I was having a ball. Only
thing I did was add more RAM, for a total of 32MB=4MB onboard= 36MB total.
It helped some.

I spent all that time in this and the other MS W98 related NG's. It was the
NG's where I learned everything. It's one thing to read about something in
a book, but try it hands-on, and you'll remember it. I got to know some
MVP's, and many other folks. I remember you well. I had a very lean and
tweaked 98 box. It was an underpowered machine running 98SE, but I made it
work at it's limit, and I was very proud of what I could do on it.

I'm now using a machine I "inherited" after my mom's upgrade, and this
*came* with 98SE installed. But by the time I got it, it had XP Pro on it.
So I'm trying to learn it. But, once again, I'm using a somewhat marginal
machine for the OS, but I've got it tweaked to the max., and once again I'm
very proud of how it performs. I turned off *all* the "eye-candy" (hated
the pastels and "Fisher-Price" look). Once it boots up, it doesn't look
like XP at all!

I was an amateur radio operator for years, and that was expensive enough. I
swore I'd NEVER get into computers at all. Besides, I don't really like
computer games, I can balance my checkbook with a calc. or paper and pencil.
Then comes the Internet and the WWW. I was hooked. I can spend hours in a
library unless someone drags me out kicking and screaming. I love
information, and to learn--anything. Once the WWW began to get popular, I
was hooked. I've got a library at home!!

So, here I am!

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"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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|
| "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:%23BG6YdK8HHA.1416@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > Philo,
| >
| > That's fantastic! LOL.
| >
|
|
| It was a lot of (useless) fun.
|
| BTW: The most useless thing I did was to use the DOS GUI Browser Arachne
on
| a 286.
|
| Though Arachne is a great browser for a 386 and above...the results were
| pretty funny with the 286.
|
| It could load text-based web pages...Just for fun I did try a
graphics-based
| web page.
|
| It took a full 15 minutes...only to give the dreaded red "X" <G>
|
|

 

[philo]

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:u%23DObYN8HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Philo,
>
> I can only imagine, as I've never tried anything like *that*.
>
> The first experience I had with computers was somebody gave me an old
> Northgate box, with 4MB RAM, a 386 @??, and a 55MB HD. I had countless
> versions of DOS I could play with,(I loved v.6.22), and settled with WFW
> 3.11. It didn't have a modem, and I seriously wonder if it could do
> *anything* but pure text stuff on the Internet--if that.That was in 1996.
>
> I got an old Packard Bell for my birthday in 2000. It had *2* HD's
totalling
> **1.6 GB**!! 16 MB RAM, plus 4MB RAM on the MB, so a total of 20MB. This
> is the one with the P24T, Pentium Overdrive® @ 85MHz (100 MHz depending on
> whose benchmark you used). Oh, a 28.8 modem, 2-button mouse, and 14"
> monitor and a "real" IBM keyboard. It came with W98SE.
> I *did* have that machine on the 'net from 2000-2006, starting with 1000
> free hours thanks to AOL. Slow as molasses, but I was having a ball.
Only
> thing I did was add more RAM, for a total of 32MB=4MB onboard= 36MB total.
> It helped some.
>
> I spent all that time in this and the other MS W98 related NG's. It was
the
> NG's where I learned everything. It's one thing to read about something
in
> a book, but try it hands-on, and you'll remember it. I got to know some
> MVP's, and many other folks. I remember you well. I had a very lean and
> tweaked 98 box. It was an underpowered machine running 98SE, but I made
it
> work at it's limit, and I was very proud of what I could do on it.
>
> I'm now using a machine I "inherited" after my mom's upgrade, and this
> *came* with 98SE installed. But by the time I got it, it had XP Pro on
it.
> So I'm trying to learn it. But, once again, I'm using a somewhat marginal
> machine for the OS, but I've got it tweaked to the max., and once again
I'm
> very proud of how it performs. I turned off *all* the "eye-candy" (hated
> the pastels and "Fisher-Price" look). Once it boots up, it doesn't look
> like XP at all!
>
> I was an amateur radio operator for years, and that was expensive enough.
I
> swore I'd NEVER get into computers at all. Besides, I don't really like
> computer games, I can balance my checkbook with a calc. or paper and
pencil.
> Then comes the Internet and the WWW. I was hooked. I can spend hours in
a
> library unless someone drags me out kicking and screaming. I love
> information, and to learn--anything. Once the WWW began to get popular, I
> was hooked. I've got a library at home!!
>
> So, here I am!
>

Hey that's great...
I got my ham ticket back in 1964 and am still licensed...but find that I
like usenet a lot better!

But was sure surprised that I ended up with a computer...Never did I think
I'd get into it.
When I decided to go "on-line" I paid $100 for a full year of dial-up...
and was using win95 with IE2. I had not idea how to use the browser and
called up a friend of mine who looked ta it and
was also quite puzzled...but we were able to somehow download IE5...it took
4 hours!

Whew...

Those were the days.

Then, as an experimentor I decided to give Linux a try and it took me 6 full
months before I even had the slightest
clue as to what I was doing...I decided to read all the info on Usenet (the
Linux groups) to learn.
I had absolutely no intention to post...
but then saw some other beginner struggling with something that I had just
figured out a few days before....
so I gave him some help.
Even though I was just a beginner...he thought I was some expert...and it
turned out the was a Windows NT administrator
who had many years of computer experience....but had recently decided to
dabble in Linux...
I told him that his question was way over my head...and the question he had
that I answered was about the only thing
I knew. <G>

Anyway...in all these years I have never yet purchased a new machine...I use
mostly other people old "junk"
and am pretty good at really getting the most out of things.
It's so odd to now see Pentium-4's in the trash! I grab them up as fast as I
can.

 

[Curt Christianson]

Thanks for the reply Philo. Another ham...I'll bet there are a lot of hams
hanging around these NG's.

I got my Novice ticket in 1971, and by the middle of '72 got my General and
then Advanced 3 weeks later. My license lapsed in '85 I think, although
when I've looked in the Callbook it appears that my call hasn't been given
to anybody else yet. Perhaps I could get it back. WBØDOU--I had on heck of
a setup. TH6DXX at 60', kilowatt. 100% Heathkit® gear. Ah, woe is me
<g>. I'd like to *at least* get my ticket back.
Thank you, and *73* !

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"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:OeyScwN8HHA.5504@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|
| "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:u%23DObYN8HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > Philo,
| >
| > I can only imagine, as I've never tried anything like *that*.
| >
| > The first experience I had with computers was somebody gave me an old
| > Northgate box, with 4MB RAM, a 386 @??, and a 55MB HD. I had countless
| > versions of DOS I could play with,(I loved v.6.22), and settled with WFW
| > 3.11. It didn't have a modem, and I seriously wonder if it could do
| > *anything* but pure text stuff on the Internet--if that.That was in
1996.
| >
| > I got an old Packard Bell for my birthday in 2000. It had *2* HD's
| totalling
| > **1.6 GB**!! 16 MB RAM, plus 4MB RAM on the MB, so a total of 20MB.
This
| > is the one with the P24T, Pentium Overdrive® @ 85MHz (100 MHz depending
on
| > whose benchmark you used). Oh, a 28.8 modem, 2-button mouse, and 14"
| > monitor and a "real" IBM keyboard. It came with W98SE.
| > I *did* have that machine on the 'net from 2000-2006, starting with 1000
| > free hours thanks to AOL. Slow as molasses, but I was having a ball.
| Only
| > thing I did was add more RAM, for a total of 32MB=4MB onboard= 36MB
total.
| > It helped some.
| >
| > I spent all that time in this and the other MS W98 related NG's. It was
| the
| > NG's where I learned everything. It's one thing to read about something
| in
| > a book, but try it hands-on, and you'll remember it. I got to know some
| > MVP's, and many other folks. I remember you well. I had a very lean
and
| > tweaked 98 box. It was an underpowered machine running 98SE, but I made
| it
| > work at it's limit, and I was very proud of what I could do on it.
| >
| > I'm now using a machine I "inherited" after my mom's upgrade, and this
| > *came* with 98SE installed. But by the time I got it, it had XP Pro on
| it.
| > So I'm trying to learn it. But, once again, I'm using a somewhat
marginal
| > machine for the OS, but I've got it tweaked to the max., and once again
| I'm
| > very proud of how it performs. I turned off *all* the "eye-candy"
(hated
| > the pastels and "Fisher-Price" look). Once it boots up, it doesn't look
| > like XP at all!
| >
| > I was an amateur radio operator for years, and that was expensive
enough.
| I
| > swore I'd NEVER get into computers at all. Besides, I don't really like
| > computer games, I can balance my checkbook with a calc. or paper and
| pencil.
| > Then comes the Internet and the WWW. I was hooked. I can spend hours
in
| a
| > library unless someone drags me out kicking and screaming. I love
| > information, and to learn--anything. Once the WWW began to get popular,
I
| > was hooked. I've got a library at home!!
| >
| > So, here I am!
| >
|
| Hey that's great...
| I got my ham ticket back in 1964 and am still licensed...but find that I
| like usenet a lot better!
|
| But was sure surprised that I ended up with a computer...Never did I think
| I'd get into it.
| When I decided to go "on-line" I paid $100 for a full year of dial-up...
| and was using win95 with IE2. I had not idea how to use the browser and
| called up a friend of mine who looked ta it and
| was also quite puzzled...but we were able to somehow download IE5...it
took
| 4 hours!
|
| Whew...
|
| Those were the days.
|
| Then, as an experimentor I decided to give Linux a try and it took me 6
full
| months before I even had the slightest
| clue as to what I was doing...I decided to read all the info on Usenet
(the
| Linux groups) to learn.
| I had absolutely no intention to post...
| but then saw some other beginner struggling with something that I had just
| figured out a few days before....
| so I gave him some help.
| Even though I was just a beginner...he thought I was some expert...and it
| turned out the was a Windows NT administrator
| who had many years of computer experience....but had recently decided to
| dabble in Linux...
| I told him that his question was way over my head...and the question he
had
| that I answered was about the only thing
| I knew. <G>
|
| Anyway...in all these years I have never yet purchased a new machine...I
use
| mostly other people old "junk"
| and am pretty good at really getting the most out of things.
| It's so odd to now see Pentium-4's in the trash! I grab them up as fast as
I
| can.
|
|

 

[Curt Christianson]

Philo,

Are you in Wisconsin? I'm Prior Lake, MN.

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"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e4D9M$O8HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| Thanks for the reply Philo. Another ham...I'll bet there are a lot of
hams
| hanging around these NG's.
|
| I got my Novice ticket in 1971, and by the middle of '72 got my General
and
| then Advanced 3 weeks later. My license lapsed in '85 I think, although
| when I've looked in the Callbook it appears that my call hasn't been given
| to anybody else yet. Perhaps I could get it back. WBØDOU--I had on heck
of
| a setup. TH6DXX at 60', kilowatt. 100% Heathkit® gear. Ah, woe is me
| <g>. I'd like to *at least* get my ticket back.
| Thank you, and *73* !
|
| --
|
| Curt
|
| Windows Support Center
| www.aumha.org
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|
| "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
| news:OeyScwN8HHA.5504@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
||
|| "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
|| news:u%23DObYN8HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|| > Philo,
|| >
|| > I can only imagine, as I've never tried anything like *that*.
|| >
|| > The first experience I had with computers was somebody gave me an old
|| > Northgate box, with 4MB RAM, a 386 @??, and a 55MB HD. I had countless
|| > versions of DOS I could play with,(I loved v.6.22), and settled with
WFW
|| > 3.11. It didn't have a modem, and I seriously wonder if it could do
|| > *anything* but pure text stuff on the Internet--if that.That was in
| 1996.
|| >
|| > I got an old Packard Bell for my birthday in 2000. It had *2* HD's
|| totalling
|| > **1.6 GB**!! 16 MB RAM, plus 4MB RAM on the MB, so a total of 20MB.
| This
|| > is the one with the P24T, Pentium Overdrive® @ 85MHz (100 MHz depending
| on
|| > whose benchmark you used). Oh, a 28.8 modem, 2-button mouse, and 14"
|| > monitor and a "real" IBM keyboard. It came with W98SE.
|| > I *did* have that machine on the 'net from 2000-2006, starting with
1000
|| > free hours thanks to AOL. Slow as molasses, but I was having a ball.
|| Only
|| > thing I did was add more RAM, for a total of 32MB=4MB onboard= 36MB
| total.
|| > It helped some.
|| >
|| > I spent all that time in this and the other MS W98 related NG's. It
was
|| the
|| > NG's where I learned everything. It's one thing to read about
something
|| in
|| > a book, but try it hands-on, and you'll remember it. I got to know
some
|| > MVP's, and many other folks. I remember you well. I had a very lean
| and
|| > tweaked 98 box. It was an underpowered machine running 98SE, but I
made
|| it
|| > work at it's limit, and I was very proud of what I could do on it.
|| >
|| > I'm now using a machine I "inherited" after my mom's upgrade, and this
|| > *came* with 98SE installed. But by the time I got it, it had XP Pro
on
|| it.
|| > So I'm trying to learn it. But, once again, I'm using a somewhat
| marginal
|| > machine for the OS, but I've got it tweaked to the max., and once again
|| I'm
|| > very proud of how it performs. I turned off *all* the "eye-candy"
| (hated
|| > the pastels and "Fisher-Price" look). Once it boots up, it doesn't
look
|| > like XP at all!
|| >
|| > I was an amateur radio operator for years, and that was expensive
| enough.
|| I
|| > swore I'd NEVER get into computers at all. Besides, I don't really
like
|| > computer games, I can balance my checkbook with a calc. or paper and
|| pencil.
|| > Then comes the Internet and the WWW. I was hooked. I can spend hours
| in
|| a
|| > library unless someone drags me out kicking and screaming. I love
|| > information, and to learn--anything. Once the WWW began to get
popular,
| I
|| > was hooked. I've got a library at home!!
|| >
|| > So, here I am!
|| >
||
|| Hey that's great...
|| I got my ham ticket back in 1964 and am still licensed...but find that I
|| like usenet a lot better!
||
|| But was sure surprised that I ended up with a computer...Never did I
think
|| I'd get into it.
|| When I decided to go "on-line" I paid $100 for a full year of dial-up...
|| and was using win95 with IE2. I had not idea how to use the browser and
|| called up a friend of mine who looked ta it and
|| was also quite puzzled...but we were able to somehow download IE5...it
| took
|| 4 hours!
||
|| Whew...
||
|| Those were the days.
||
|| Then, as an experimentor I decided to give Linux a try and it took me 6
| full
|| months before I even had the slightest
|| clue as to what I was doing...I decided to read all the info on Usenet
| (the
|| Linux groups) to learn.
|| I had absolutely no intention to post...
|| but then saw some other beginner struggling with something that I had
just
|| figured out a few days before....
|| so I gave him some help.
|| Even though I was just a beginner...he thought I was some expert...and it
|| turned out the was a Windows NT administrator
|| who had many years of computer experience....but had recently decided to
|| dabble in Linux...
|| I told him that his question was way over my head...and the question he
| had
|| that I answered was about the only thing
|| I knew. <G>
||
|| Anyway...in all these years I have never yet purchased a new machine...I
| use
|| mostly other people old "junk"
|| and am pretty good at really getting the most out of things.
|| It's so odd to now see Pentium-4's in the trash! I grab them up as fast
as
| I
|| can.
||
||
|
|

 

[philo]

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23EEYoTP8HHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Philo,
>
> Are you in Wisconsin? I'm Prior Lake, MN.
>
>


Yes the call is WA9MCK

I really miss those vacuum tube days...

I started out with a Johnson Adventurer ( a 6AG7 driving an 807)
and an HQ-110c ...worked a bit of DX with that setup...usually on 15
meters CW
but sometimes on 40 meter CW.
Later, I built a cathode modulator and when ten meters was open did quite
well on AM.

Right now my equipment is at an extreme minimum...
HQ-140-x and a junk cb set that I converted to 10 meter CW...

Usenet is the new Ham Radio...
to bad there isn't a spark-gap version of Usenet

 

[Ingeborg]

philo wrote:

>
> Ok, first off...
> Win98 cannot be installed on a 386...Just wanted to make that clear.
>
> But one can put a drive with Win98 already on it into a 386...
> I tried it after installing it on a P-1 then deleting as much of the
> H/W as I could in the control panel.
>
> But Win98 crashed. I eventually "cheated" and tried a Win98lite
> installation it used the win95 explorer
> shell...and after quite a bit of tweaking I actually did get Win98 to
> function on a 386
>
> here is a screenshot
>
> http://www.plazaearth.com/philo/win98_386.jpg
>

Did you try to run multithreading software on it? I have written a library
which I wanted to target all Win32 platforms, and found that the function
InterlockedCompareExchange() (which does some atomic comparison and
exchange on pointers, and is a kernel function) is not available in W95.
It's easy to write it in assembly, but I found that the cmpxchg is not
supported by a 386. So then I knew why W98 needs a 486.
I wonder what will happen when a program calls InterlockedCompareExchange
on a 386 hosted OS. An 'Invalid opcode' exception will rise in the kernel.
Blue screen?

 

[Curt Christianson]

It's up to you Philo, but if you would, could you e-mail me as this is
getting a little OT. Just a few comments I want to add, but as I said,
things are getting a little OT.
My first rig was an Army ARC-5 that a fellow ham friend lent to me. He had
converted it to use a pair of 6146's in the final, and modified it to use
xtals, while disconnecting the VFO. It had cathode keying which led to 600v
across the hand key contacts. Never got zapped, but that setup led to a few
adventures however.

Those were the days...

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Curt

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"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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|
| "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:%23EEYoTP8HHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > Philo,
| >
| > Are you in Wisconsin? I'm Prior Lake, MN.
| >
| >
|
|
| Yes the call is WA9MCK
|
| I really miss those vacuum tube days...
|
| I started out with a Johnson Adventurer ( a 6AG7 driving an 807)
| and an HQ-110c ...worked a bit of DX with that setup...usually on 15
| meters CW
| but sometimes on 40 meter CW.
| Later, I built a cathode modulator and when ten meters was open did quite
| well on AM.
|
| Right now my equipment is at an extreme minimum...
| HQ-140-x and a junk cb set that I converted to 10 meter CW...
|
| Usenet is the new Ham Radio...
| to bad there isn't a spark-gap version of Usenet
|
|

 

[philo]

> >
>
> Did you try to run multithreading software on it? I have written a library
> which I wanted to target all Win32 platforms, and found that the function
> InterlockedCompareExchange() (which does some atomic comparison and
> exchange on pointers, and is a kernel function) is not available in W95.
> It's easy to write it in assembly, but I found that the cmpxchg is not
> supported by a 386. So then I knew why W98 needs a 486.
> I wonder what will happen when a program calls InterlockedCompareExchange
> on a 386 hosted OS. An 'Invalid opcode' exception will rise in the kernel.
> Blue screen?


I only tried some minimal software...no multithreading.

In order to get win98 to run on the 386...not only did I have to use the
win95 explorer shell...
there were a number of functions that I had to delete from the registry.

Though it was a while back and I don't recall all the details...
I'd boot up in normal mode and watch where the OS crashed as it was
loading...
then boot to safe mode and delete the registry keys of whatever function was
unworkable...
then boot to normal mode and try again.

So even though technically I did have win98 on a 386...
it was so crippled that it was essentially just win95.


BTW: I had a look around on Google and see that someone out there wasted
even more time than I did
and tried something similar with XP on an underclocked P-1:

http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm

 

[philo]

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23Udv3AU8HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> It's up to you Philo, but if you would, could you e-mail me as this is
> getting a little OT. Just a few comments I want to add, but as I said,
> things are getting a little OT.
> My first rig was an Army ARC-5 that a fellow ham friend lent to me. He
had
> converted it to use a pair of 6146's in the final, and modified it to use
> xtals, while disconnecting the VFO. It had cathode keying which led to
600v
> across the hand key contacts. Never got zapped, but that setup led to a
few
> adventures however.
>
> Those were the days...
>


OK

will email as this is OT

 

[Curt Christianson]

Your Winhistory link is unbelievable. I would never have thought it
possible. Ah, the boot times, no those *I* can almost relate to from days
of old.

--
HTH,
Curt

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"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:OzedaBU8HHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|
|
| > >
| >
| > Did you try to run multithreading software on it? I have written a
library
| > which I wanted to target all Win32 platforms, and found that the
function
| > InterlockedCompareExchange() (which does some atomic comparison and
| > exchange on pointers, and is a kernel function) is not available in W95.
| > It's easy to write it in assembly, but I found that the cmpxchg is not
| > supported by a 386. So then I knew why W98 needs a 486.
| > I wonder what will happen when a program calls
InterlockedCompareExchange
| > on a 386 hosted OS. An 'Invalid opcode' exception will rise in the
kernel.
| > Blue screen?
|
|
| I only tried some minimal software...no multithreading.
|
| In order to get win98 to run on the 386...not only did I have to use the
| win95 explorer shell...
| there were a number of functions that I had to delete from the registry.
|
| Though it was a while back and I don't recall all the details...
| I'd boot up in normal mode and watch where the OS crashed as it was
| loading...
| then boot to safe mode and delete the registry keys of whatever function
was
| unworkable...
| then boot to normal mode and try again.
|
| So even though technically I did have win98 on a 386...
| it was so crippled that it was essentially just win95.
|
|
| BTW: I had a look around on Google and see that someone out there wasted
| even more time than I did
| and tried something similar with XP on an underclocked P-1:
|
| http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm
|
|