Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

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Robert A. Macy

HELP!

MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it is,
or worse, how to get rid of it!

It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.
Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do
anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a
little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight
distance, but that's all.

Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.

Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question
what it is, doesn't work.

The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using
Wordpad.

What is this line? How do I get rid of it?

Robert
 
E

Emrys Davies

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> HELP!
>
> MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it is,
> or worse, how to get rid of it!
>
> It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.
> Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do
> anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a
> little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight
> distance, but that's all.
>
> Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.
>
> Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question
> what it is, doesn't work.
>
> The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using
> Wordpad.
>
> What is this line? How do I get rid of it?
>
> Robert

I suggest that you go to: microsoft.public.word.newusers

Regards,
Emrys Davies.
 
G

Galen Somerville

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> HELP!
>
> MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it is,
> or worse, how to get rid of it!
>
> It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.
> Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do
> anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a
> little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight
> distance, but that's all.
>
> Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.
>
> Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question
> what it is, doesn't work.
>
> The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using
> Wordpad.
>
> What is this line? How do I get rid of it?
>
> Robert
>
Sounds to me that you are seeing the page separater. It's telling you that the stuff above the line
will be on one page and the stuff below the line on another page.

Galen
 
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Dan

Yeah, that makes sense to me Galen.

"Galen Somerville" wrote:

>
> "Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
> news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> > HELP!
> >
> > MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it is,
> > or worse, how to get rid of it!
> >
> > It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.
> > Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do
> > anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a
> > little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight
> > distance, but that's all.
> >
> > Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.
> >
> > Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question
> > what it is, doesn't work.
> >
> > The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using
> > Wordpad.
> >
> > What is this line? How do I get rid of it?
> >
> > Robert
> >
> Sounds to me that you are seeing the page separater. It's telling you that the stuff above the line
> will be on one page and the stuff below the line on another page.
>
> Galen
>
>
 
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Jeff Richards

You have accidentally created a blank footnote. The line is the separator
between the body of the text and the footnote. You can find the offending
text by moving stuff around and seeing what text the line seems to be
associated with.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> HELP!
>
> MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it is,
> or worse, how to get rid of it!
>
> It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.
> Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do
> anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a
> little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight
> distance, but that's all.
>
> Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.
>
> Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question
> what it is, doesn't work.
>
> The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using
> Wordpad.
>
> What is this line? How do I get rid of it?
>
> Robert
>
 
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Emrys Davies

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:OVWVwYlCIHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> You have accidentally created a blank footnote. The line is the
separator
> between the body of the text and the footnote. You can find the
offending
> text by moving stuff around and seeing what text the line seems to be
> associated with.
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
> news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> > HELP!
> >
> > MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it
is,
> > or worse, how to get rid of it!
> >
> > It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.
> > Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do
> > anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a
> > little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight
> > distance, but that's all.
> >
> > Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.
> >
> > Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question
> > what it is, doesn't work.
> >
> > The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using
> > Wordpad.
> >
> > What is this line? How do I get rid of it?
> >
> > Robert

Robert,

This may do it. Save your work. Hold down Ctrl and press End to go
to the end of the document. Press backspace repeatedly until offending
line disappears.

PS: If you click Show/Hide button you will be able to see the end of
the para. marks at the end of the document. They disappear as you
continue to backspace.

Regards,
Emrys Davies.
 
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Robert A. Macy

On Oct 9, 5:48 am, "Emrys Davies" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:OVWVwYlCIHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
>
>
> > You have accidentally created a blank footnote. The line is the
> separator
> > between the body of the text and the footnote. You can find the
> offending
> > text by moving stuff around and seeing what text the line seems to be
> > associated with.
> > --
> > Jeff Richards
> > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> > "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message
> >news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> > > HELP!
>
> > > MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it
> is,
> > > or worse, how to get rid of it!
>
> > > It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.
> > > Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do
> > > anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a
> > > little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight
> > > distance, but that's all.
>
> > > Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.
>
> > > Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question
> > > what it is, doesn't work.
>
> > > The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using
> > > Wordpad.
>
> > > What is this line? How do I get rid of it?
>
> > > Robert
>
> Robert,
>
> This may do it. Save your work. Hold down Ctrl and press End to go
> to the end of the document. Press backspace repeatedly until offending
> line disappears.
>
> PS: If you click Show/Hide button you will be able to see the end of
> the para. marks at the end of the document. They disappear as you
> continue to backspace.
>
> Regards,
> Emrys Davies.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank you for your replies. You may have identified EXACTLY what it
is. The document has no intentional footnotes in it.

However, even with this in mind, removing the line is proving
elusive.

Using your suggestion of ctrl-end the cursor goes to right above the
line and WILL NOT go below, or onto the line.

Using HELP menu, and selecting help to delete a footnote, I went
through their listed sequence of FIND and REPLACE end and foot marks.
It looked like it was looking for ^e and ^f, but in both cases there
were none in the document.

I can use a HEX Editor and find it, but I don't know what character
string I'm looking for.

Hmmm. I could go page by page through this 98 page document, adding a
single page to my newest copy, until the line suddenly appears!

Is there an easier way to do that? Any idea what I'm looking for?

Robert
 
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Jeff Richards

Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with lines,
choose one where the line first appears.

Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from the
bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to the next
page and will disappear from the current page. That line will contain the
footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If
necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it. Once
identified, the others should be easier to find.

A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to a text
file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You won't
find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad
and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
news:1192041250.086122.214940@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 9, 5:48 am, "Emrys Davies" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>> news:OVWVwYlCIHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > You have accidentally created a blank footnote. The line is the
>> separator
>> > between the body of the text and the footnote. You can find the
>> offending
>> > text by moving stuff around and seeing what text the line seems to be
>> > associated with.
>> > --
>> > Jeff Richards
>> > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>> > "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>> > > HELP!
>>
>> > > MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it
>> is,
>> > > or worse, how to get rid of it!
>>
>> > > It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.
>> > > Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do
>> > > anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a
>> > > little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight
>> > > distance, but that's all.
>>
>> > > Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.
>>
>> > > Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question
>> > > what it is, doesn't work.
>>
>> > > The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using
>> > > Wordpad.
>>
>> > > What is this line? How do I get rid of it?
>>
>> > > Robert
>>
>> Robert,
>>
>> This may do it. Save your work. Hold down Ctrl and press End to go
>> to the end of the document. Press backspace repeatedly until offending
>> line disappears.
>>
>> PS: If you click Show/Hide button you will be able to see the end of
>> the para. marks at the end of the document. They disappear as you
>> continue to backspace.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Emrys Davies.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Thank you for your replies. You may have identified EXACTLY what it
> is. The document has no intentional footnotes in it.
>
> However, even with this in mind, removing the line is proving
> elusive.
>
> Using your suggestion of ctrl-end the cursor goes to right above the
> line and WILL NOT go below, or onto the line.
>
> Using HELP menu, and selecting help to delete a footnote, I went
> through their listed sequence of FIND and REPLACE end and foot marks.
> It looked like it was looking for ^e and ^f, but in both cases there
> were none in the document.
>
> I can use a HEX Editor and find it, but I don't know what character
> string I'm looking for.
>
> Hmmm. I could go page by page through this 98 page document, adding a
> single page to my newest copy, until the line suddenly appears!
>
> Is there an easier way to do that? Any idea what I'm looking for?
>
> Robert
>
 
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thanatoid

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in
news:1192041250.086122.214940@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

<SNIP>

I haven't used Word in years and years, but I believe even that
sorry excuse for a word processor has the "master page" feature
where you can set up "boilerplates". This may be a separate one
for each document or one for the whole 500GB program. I don't
know. I use PageMaker.

Anyway, you MAY have accidentally created something on that
Master Page "boilerplate" and will NEVER get rid of it without
going TO the Master Page and deleting it THERE.

(Some terminology may be inaccurate, I am using PM lingo, but
you get the idea I hope.)

I could be totally off but seeing as this thread is dragging on
and on, I thought I'd add my 2 cents.
 
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Robert A. Macy

On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:
> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with lines,
> choose one where the line first appears.
>
> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from the
> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to the next
> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will contain the
> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If
> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it. Once
> identified, the others should be easier to find.
>
> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to a text
> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You won't
> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad
> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

Jeff,

Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's
effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages, into a
sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line
remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was down
to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then
removed every character in the text line and only when I removed the
last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to go
passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke
removed something, did the line disappear.

I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still how
to get rid of it without deleting all the text?

Robert
 
T

thanatoid

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in
news:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

> On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au>
> wrote:
>> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple
>> pages with lines, choose one where the line first appears.
>>
>> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the
>> page, from the bottom up. After inserting one of the
>> breaks the line will move to the next page and will
>> disappear from the current page. That line will contain
>> the footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see
>> where it is. If necessary, turn on all options (Tools /
>> Options / View) to see it. Once identified, the others
>> should be easier to find.
>>
>> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export
>> the text to a text file and paste it back in, but that
>> destroys your formatting. You won't find ^e and ^f
>> because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad
>> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support
>> footnotes. --
>> Jeff Richards
>> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>
> Jeff,
>
> Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex
> editor's effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole,
> now 110 pages, into a sacrificial copy and removed all but
> the last page. The line remained. I tried removing one
> text line at a time, until I was down to the last text
> line. The drawn in line was still there. I then removed
> every character in the text line and only when I removed
> the last character, no idea because there was no space, or
> ability to go passed that remaining character. Only when
> the last del stroke removed something, did the line
> disappear.
>
> I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote,
> but still how to get rid of it without deleting all the
> text?
>
> Robert
>
>

Even though you apparently paid no attention to my last post,
here's another idea.

Could you have possibly made an underlined tab at the end of
your document?
 
R

Robert A. Macy

On Oct 14, 2:57 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
> "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote innews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple
> >> pages with lines, choose one where the line first appears.
>
> >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the
> >> page, from the bottom up. After inserting one of the
> >> breaks the line will move to the next page and will
> >> disappear from the current page. That line will contain
> >> the footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see
> >> where it is. If necessary, turn on all options (Tools /
> >> Options / View) to see it. Once identified, the others
> >> should be easier to find.
>
> >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export
> >> the text to a text file and paste it back in, but that
> >> destroys your formatting. You won't find ^e and ^f
> >> because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad
> >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support
> >> footnotes. --
> >> Jeff Richards
> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>
> > Jeff,
>
> > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex
> > editor's effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole,
> > now 110 pages, into a sacrificial copy and removed all but
> > the last page. The line remained. I tried removing one
> > text line at a time, until I was down to the last text
> > line. The drawn in line was still there. I then removed
> > every character in the text line and only when I removed
> > the last character, no idea because there was no space, or
> > ability to go passed that remaining character. Only when
> > the last del stroke removed something, did the line
> > disappear.
>
> > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote,
> > but still how to get rid of it without deleting all the
> > text?
>
> > Robert
>
> Even though you apparently paid no attention to my last post,
> here's another idea.
>
> Could you have possibly made an underlined tab at the end of
> your document?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I paid attention. But, your reply had no steps of action to follow, so
I couldn't try them out and let you know.

However, I DID file away two concepts from your reply:
1) Word is a terrible editor
2) There may be a template that was inadvertently changed and is being
used.

Recent news: I just now found how to make the drawn line.

Cursor on first character position of a text line. Hit the minus key
drawing a line across the page, until the cursor is at the last
character position. You will have a series of articulated dashes
appearing on the screen. The second you hit enter in an attempt to
move the cursor to the next line Word changes the articulated dashes
into a solid line that now has strange characteristic of not ever
being able to put the cursor on that line again.

*IF* you can get the cursor passed the line [even empty text lines
after the drawn line], the line is easy to remove by putting the
cursor at the start of the text line above the drawn line [remember
the cursor will not go to the drawn line], hit del key and the drawn
line disappears with the cursor properly sitting on the text line that
was directly after the drawn line.

*IF* there is no text line after the drawn line, placing the cursor at
the start of the text line just before the drawn line, hitting the del
key DOES NOT REMOVE the drawn line. Instead, the delete function
removes the text line you're on, moves the cursor up one text line,
and the drawn line follows appropriately and remains 'permanently.'

Now, knowing the origin, any ideas how to get rid of it?

Robert
 
M

MEB

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
news:1192401368.554268.63240@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
| On Oct 14, 2:57 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
| > "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote
innews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au>
| > > wrote:
| > >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple
| > >> pages with lines, choose one where the line first appears.
| >
| > >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the
| > >> page, from the bottom up. After inserting one of the
| > >> breaks the line will move to the next page and will
| > >> disappear from the current page. That line will contain
| > >> the footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see
| > >> where it is. If necessary, turn on all options (Tools /
| > >> Options / View) to see it. Once identified, the others
| > >> should be easier to find.
| >
| > >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export
| > >> the text to a text file and paste it back in, but that
| > >> destroys your formatting. You won't find ^e and ^f
| > >> because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad
| > >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support
| > >> footnotes. --
| > >> Jeff Richards
| > >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
| >
| > > Jeff,
| >
| > > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex
| > > editor's effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole,
| > > now 110 pages, into a sacrificial copy and removed all but
| > > the last page. The line remained. I tried removing one
| > > text line at a time, until I was down to the last text
| > > line. The drawn in line was still there. I then removed
| > > every character in the text line and only when I removed
| > > the last character, no idea because there was no space, or
| > > ability to go passed that remaining character. Only when
| > > the last del stroke removed something, did the line
| > > disappear.
| >
| > > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote,
| > > but still how to get rid of it without deleting all the
| > > text?
| >
| > > Robert
| >
| > Even though you apparently paid no attention to my last post,
| > here's another idea.
| >
| > Could you have possibly made an underlined tab at the end of
| > your document?- Hide quoted text -
| >
| > - Show quoted text -
|
| I paid attention. But, your reply had no steps of action to follow, so
| I couldn't try them out and let you know.
|
| However, I DID file away two concepts from your reply:
| 1) Word is a terrible editor
| 2) There may be a template that was inadvertently changed and is being
| used.
|
| Recent news: I just now found how to make the drawn line.
|
| Cursor on first character position of a text line. Hit the minus key
| drawing a line across the page, until the cursor is at the last
| character position. You will have a series of articulated dashes
| appearing on the screen. The second you hit enter in an attempt to
| move the cursor to the next line Word changes the articulated dashes
| into a solid line that now has strange characteristic of not ever
| being able to put the cursor on that line again.

That is part of the autoformat aspect in Word.

|
| *IF* you can get the cursor passed the line [even empty text lines
| after the drawn line], the line is easy to remove by putting the
| cursor at the start of the text line above the drawn line [remember
| the cursor will not go to the drawn line], hit del key and the drawn
| line disappears with the cursor properly sitting on the text line that
| was directly after the drawn line.
|
| *IF* there is no text line after the drawn line, placing the cursor at
| the start of the text line just before the drawn line, hitting the del
| key DOES NOT REMOVE the drawn line. Instead, the delete function
| removes the text line you're on, moves the cursor up one text line,
| and the drawn line follows appropriately and remains 'permanently.'
|
| Now, knowing the origin, any ideas how to get rid of it?
|
| Robert
|

I think there is a short cut key press to use, but I can't remember what
it is.

If you wish to remove the autoformatted line click Edit > UnDo autoformat -
immediately after it is changed.

If you wish to NOT have a document autoformatted, turn it or parts off by
either:

Format > Autoformat > change the settings on the various tabs
Tools > AutoCorrect > change the settings on the various tabs

Tick what you want or untick all. Autoformat as you type will likely have
what you need.

Might also want to check in Tools > Options > various settings you may want
to change

NOTE: changing any settings will make them the default.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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thanatoid

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in
news:1192401368.554268.63240@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

<SNIP>

>> Even though you apparently paid no attention to my last
>> post, here's another idea.
>>
>> Could you have possibly made an underlined tab at the end
>> of your document?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I paid attention. But, your reply had no steps of action to
> follow, so I couldn't try them out and let you know.

Sorry. I thought it was pretty obvious what to do.

And I don't have Word installed (Office97 *is* on a CD in the
box marked "dyevyll tools") to give you step by step.

> However, I DID file away two concepts from your reply:
> 1) Word is a terrible editor
> 2) There may be a template that was inadvertently changed
> and is being used.

TEMPLATE! That's the word. That's what PM calls them but I
didn't know what Word calls them etc.

> Recent news: I just now found how to make the drawn line.
>
> Cursor on first character position of a text line. Hit the
> minus key drawing a line across the page, until the cursor
> is at the last character position. You will have a series
> of articulated dashes appearing on the screen. The second
> you hit enter in an attempt to move the cursor to the next
> line Word changes the articulated dashes into a solid line
> that now has strange characteristic of not ever being able
> to put the cursor on that line again.

Weird. I could KIND OF understand if it did that with underlines
(shift-dash, or _ ).

Now there's ONE MORE reason not to use that piece of crap! (As
if anyone needed another example).

In all fairness, given the fact that most people do not know
what a tab is (although they MUST have Office installed, sigh),
that MAY not be such a bad idea, and it IS in line with MS's
"make it easy for the clueless" policy.

> *IF* you can get the cursor passed the line [even empty
> text lines after the drawn line], the line is easy to
> remove by putting the cursor at the start of the text line
> above the drawn line [remember the cursor will not go to
> the drawn line], hit del key and the drawn line disappears
> with the cursor properly sitting on the text line that was
> directly after the drawn line.
>
> *IF* there is no text line after the drawn line, placing
> the cursor at the start of the text line just before the
> drawn line, hitting the del key DOES NOT REMOVE the drawn
> line. Instead, the delete function removes the text line
> you're on, moves the cursor up one text line, and the drawn
> line follows appropriately and remains 'permanently.'
>
> Now, knowing the origin, any ideas how to get rid of it?
>
> Robert

Try backspace.
 
J

Jeff Richards

What happens if you remove the last character only?

WORD associates a lot of format information with the paragraph marker, which
is an invisible character immediately following the last character in a
paragraph. If you delete the last character and the invisible character
following it, then much of the paragraph formatting disappears.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
news:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:
>> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with lines,
>> choose one where the line first appears.
>>
>> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from the
>> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to the
>> next
>> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will contain
>> the
>> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If
>> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it. Once
>> identified, the others should be easier to find.
>>
>> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to a
>> text
>> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You won't
>> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad
>> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.
>> --
>> Jeff Richards
>> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>
> Jeff,
>
> Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's
> effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages, into a
> sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line
> remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was down
> to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then
> removed every character in the text line and only when I removed the
> last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to go
> passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke
> removed something, did the line disappear.
>
> I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still how
> to get rid of it without deleting all the text?
>
> Robert
>
 
R

Robert A. Macy

On Oct 15, 2:08 am, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:
> What happens if you remove the last character only?
>
> WORD associates a lot of format information with the paragraph marker, which
> is an invisible character immediately following the last character in a
> paragraph. If you delete the last character and the invisible character
> following it, then much of the paragraph formatting disappears.
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in messagenews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:
> >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with lines,
> >> choose one where the line first appears.
>
> >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from the
> >> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to the
> >> next
> >> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will contain
> >> the
> >> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If
> >> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it. Once
> >> identified, the others should be easier to find.
>
> >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to a
> >> text
> >> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You won't
> >> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad
> >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.
> >> --
> >> Jeff Richards
> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>
> > Jeff,
>
> > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's
> > effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages, into a
> > sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line
> > remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was down
> > to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then
> > removed every character in the text line and only when I removed the
> > last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to go
> > passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke
> > removed something, did the line disappear.
>
> > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still how
> > to get rid of it without deleting all the text?
>
> > Robert- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Jeff,

Thank you for your reply.

This is a real problem since the line is already here, so changing
autoformat is too late, like shutting doors after animals escaping,
etc

Oddly, in the normal way I use Word the display type is called
something else, and the view mode called 'normal' by Word is VERY
abnormal, containing many, many [normally] unseen characters.

Perhaps, one of the other view modes will work. I know 'normal' mode
did not show anything to delete, it does show page breaks etc.

Problem is that I can't get to the 'other' side of the line to delete
it. Everytime I try to delete the line when there is no text line
after this displayed line, it won't. Instead, Word's delete function
starts backspacing in its deleting process.

Maybe try each 'view' mode will show something.

But must tell you, this 'added' feature is NO feature and very
irritating.

Robert
 
M

MEB

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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|
|
| "Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
| news:1192401368.554268.63240@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
| | On Oct 14, 2:57 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
| | > "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote
| innews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
| | >
| | >
| | >
| | >
| | >
| | > > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au>
| | > > wrote:
| | > >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple
| | > >> pages with lines, choose one where the line first appears.
| | >
| | > >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the
| | > >> page, from the bottom up. After inserting one of the
| | > >> breaks the line will move to the next page and will
| | > >> disappear from the current page. That line will contain
| | > >> the footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see
| | > >> where it is. If necessary, turn on all options (Tools /
| | > >> Options / View) to see it. Once identified, the others
| | > >> should be easier to find.
| | >
| | > >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export
| | > >> the text to a text file and paste it back in, but that
| | > >> destroys your formatting. You won't find ^e and ^f
| | > >> because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad
| | > >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support
| | > >> footnotes. --
| | > >> Jeff Richards
| | > >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
| | >
| | > > Jeff,
| | >
| | > > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex
| | > > editor's effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole,
| | > > now 110 pages, into a sacrificial copy and removed all but
| | > > the last page. The line remained. I tried removing one
| | > > text line at a time, until I was down to the last text
| | > > line. The drawn in line was still there. I then removed
| | > > every character in the text line and only when I removed
| | > > the last character, no idea because there was no space, or
| | > > ability to go passed that remaining character. Only when
| | > > the last del stroke removed something, did the line
| | > > disappear.
| | >
| | > > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote,
| | > > but still how to get rid of it without deleting all the
| | > > text?
| | >
| | > > Robert
| | >
| | > Even though you apparently paid no attention to my last post,
| | > here's another idea.
| | >
| | > Could you have possibly made an underlined tab at the end of
| | > your document?- Hide quoted text -
| | >
| | > - Show quoted text -
| |
| | I paid attention. But, your reply had no steps of action to follow, so
| | I couldn't try them out and let you know.
| |
| | However, I DID file away two concepts from your reply:
| | 1) Word is a terrible editor
| | 2) There may be a template that was inadvertently changed and is being
| | used.
| |
| | Recent news: I just now found how to make the drawn line.
| |
| | Cursor on first character position of a text line. Hit the minus key
| | drawing a line across the page, until the cursor is at the last
| | character position. You will have a series of articulated dashes
| | appearing on the screen. The second you hit enter in an attempt to
| | move the cursor to the next line Word changes the articulated dashes
| | into a solid line that now has strange characteristic of not ever
| | being able to put the cursor on that line again.
|
| That is part of the autoformat aspect in Word.
|
| |
| | *IF* you can get the cursor passed the line [even empty text lines
| | after the drawn line], the line is easy to remove by putting the
| | cursor at the start of the text line above the drawn line [remember
| | the cursor will not go to the drawn line], hit del key and the drawn
| | line disappears with the cursor properly sitting on the text line that
| | was directly after the drawn line.
| |
| | *IF* there is no text line after the drawn line, placing the cursor at
| | the start of the text line just before the drawn line, hitting the del
| | key DOES NOT REMOVE the drawn line. Instead, the delete function
| | removes the text line you're on, moves the cursor up one text line,
| | and the drawn line follows appropriately and remains 'permanently.'
| |
| | Now, knowing the origin, any ideas how to get rid of it?
| |
| | Robert
| |
|
| I think there is a short cut key press to use, but I can't remember what
| it is.

The short-cut keys are pressing *ctrl-Z* immediately after the autoformat
change.


|
| If you wish to remove the autoformatted line click Edit > UnDo
autoformat -
| immediately after it is changed.
|
| If you wish to NOT have a document autoformatted, turn it or parts off by
| either:
|
| Format > Autoformat > change the settings on the various tabs
| Tools > AutoCorrect > change the settings on the various tabs
|
| Tick what you want or untick all. Autoformat as you type will likely have
| what you need.
|
| Might also want to check in Tools > Options > various settings you may
want
| to change
|
| NOTE: changing any settings will make them the default.
|
| --
| MEB
| ________
|
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________
 
M

MEB

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
news:1192478077.962597.178950@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
| On Oct 15, 2:08 am, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:
| > What happens if you remove the last character only?
| >
| > WORD associates a lot of format information with the paragraph marker,
which
| > is an invisible character immediately following the last character in a
| > paragraph. If you delete the last character and the invisible character
| > following it, then much of the paragraph formatting disappears.
| > --
| > Jeff Richards
| > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
| > "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in
messagenews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
| >
| >
| >
| > > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:
| > >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with
lines,
| > >> choose one where the line first appears.
| >
| > >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from
the
| > >> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to
the
| > >> next
| > >> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will
contain
| > >> the
| > >> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If
| > >> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it.
Once
| > >> identified, the others should be easier to find.
| >
| > >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to
a
| > >> text
| > >> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You
won't
| > >> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as
WordPad
| > >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.
| > >> --
| > >> Jeff Richards
| > >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
| >
| > > Jeff,
| >
| > > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's
| > > effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages, into a
| > > sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line
| > > remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was down
| > > to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then
| > > removed every character in the text line and only when I removed the
| > > last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to go
| > > passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke
| > > removed something, did the line disappear.
| >
| > > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still how
| > > to get rid of it without deleting all the text?
| >
| > > Robert- Hide quoted text -
| >
| > - Show quoted text -
|
| Jeff,
|
| Thank you for your reply.
|
| This is a real problem since the line is already here, so changing
| autoformat is too late, like shutting doors after animals escaping,
| etc
|
| Oddly, in the normal way I use Word the display type is called
| something else, and the view mode called 'normal' by Word is VERY
| abnormal, containing many, many [normally] unseen characters.
|
| Perhaps, one of the other view modes will work. I know 'normal' mode
| did not show anything to delete, it does show page breaks etc.
|
| Problem is that I can't get to the 'other' side of the line to delete
| it. Everytime I try to delete the line when there is no text line
| after this displayed line, it won't. Instead, Word's delete function
| starts backspacing in its deleting process.
|
| Maybe try each 'view' mode will show something.
|
| But must tell you, this 'added' feature is NO feature and very
| irritating.
|
| Robert
|

Perhaps you're seeing more because you've pressed the little backwards *P*
on the menu bar [right next to the magnify glass document {document map}
button]. That displays a number of inclusions in the documents not normally
seen.

To remove the line in Word AFTER the document was saved and re-opened and
its at the bottom of the document:
Put the cursor directly above the line, hit the down arrow while holding
shift, right click and delete.

Otherwise, if in the document somewhere, do the same, but include the above
and lower blank space surrounding the line.
You should see the black *boxes* of *highlighted/selected* blank spaces
above and below, which when deleted should remove the line. If no blank
spaces above and below put the cursor at the end of the above line, shift,
select/highlight down to the next beginning line, select delete. Then
reformat the two lines.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________
 
J

Jeff Richards

Autoformat or templates have nothing to do with your problem. You can't get
to the 'other' side of the line because WORD is placing it beyond the end of
the page. If you can't locate the character that is creating it, look in
the header or footer to see if it's being created there.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
news:1192478077.962597.178950@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 15, 2:08 am, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:
>> What happens if you remove the last character only?
>>
>> WORD associates a lot of format information with the paragraph marker,
>> which
>> is an invisible character immediately following the last character in a
>> paragraph. If you delete the last character and the invisible character
>> following it, then much of the paragraph formatting disappears.
>> --
>> Jeff Richards
>> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>> "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:
>> >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with
>> >> lines,
>> >> choose one where the line first appears.
>>
>> >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from the
>> >> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to
>> >> the
>> >> next
>> >> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will contain
>> >> the
>> >> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If
>> >> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it.
>> >> Once
>> >> identified, the others should be easier to find.
>>
>> >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to a
>> >> text
>> >> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You
>> >> won't
>> >> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as
>> >> WordPad
>> >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.
>> >> --
>> >> Jeff Richards
>> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>>
>> > Jeff,
>>
>> > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's
>> > effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages, into a
>> > sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line
>> > remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was down
>> > to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then
>> > removed every character in the text line and only when I removed the
>> > last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to go
>> > passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke
>> > removed something, did the line disappear.
>>
>> > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still how
>> > to get rid of it without deleting all the text?
>>
>> > Robert- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Jeff,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> This is a real problem since the line is already here, so changing
> autoformat is too late, like shutting doors after animals escaping,
> etc
>
> Oddly, in the normal way I use Word the display type is called
> something else, and the view mode called 'normal' by Word is VERY
> abnormal, containing many, many [normally] unseen characters.
>
> Perhaps, one of the other view modes will work. I know 'normal' mode
> did not show anything to delete, it does show page breaks etc.
>
> Problem is that I can't get to the 'other' side of the line to delete
> it. Everytime I try to delete the line when there is no text line
> after this displayed line, it won't. Instead, Word's delete function
> starts backspacing in its deleting process.
>
> Maybe try each 'view' mode will show something.
>
> But must tell you, this 'added' feature is NO feature and very
> irritating.
>
> Robert
>
 
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