disappearing Icons!

Angel · Jul 12, 2007

Hi,
I just got done working on line and after I got done playing Solitaire, I
just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my Icons disappeared!!
I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
Angel

glee · Jul 12, 2007

Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast on-demand scanner and
open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is a "known" bug in Avast
on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by PCR on the issue, in
this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!", posted June 29.

You will also find some info on this in the Avast support forums:
http://forum.avast.com/

Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided a lot of help with
this issue.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
> I just got done working on line and after I got done playing Solitaire, I
> just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my Icons disappeared!!
> I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
> What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
> Angel
>
>

Angel · Jul 13, 2007

Hi Glee,
Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it came up with
the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing and closed it. But
I did that the other day and did not expect any after effects to remain.
That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan when I first
installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any more problems
with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know that this was
a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and Standard Shield and no
skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
Angel

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast on-demand
scanner and
> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is a "known" bug
in Avast
> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by PCR on the
issue, in
> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!", posted June 29.
>
> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support forums:
> http://forum.avast.com/
>
> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided a lot of
help with
> this issue.
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Hi,
> > I just got done working on line and after I got done playing
Solitaire, I
> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my Icons
disappeared!!
> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
> > Angel
> >
> >
>

glee · Jul 13, 2007

Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will happen every time you
open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel without choosing anything.
You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the shelliconcache file, so
upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is rebuilt.

It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both Win98 and WinME,
according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon cache from memory as well
as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.

The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it up to "Win9x poor
management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey. Disabling skins has no
effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to scan specific folders,
or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large numbers, till they heed the
fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.

HTH.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hi Glee,
> Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it came up with
> the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing and closed it. But
> I did that the other day and did not expect any after effects to remain.
> That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan when I first
> installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any more problems
> with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know that this was
> a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and Standard Shield and no
> skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
> Angel
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast on-demand
> scanner and
>> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is a "known" bug
> in Avast
>> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by PCR on the
> issue, in
>> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!", posted June 29.
>>
>> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support forums:
>> http://forum.avast.com/
>>
>> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
>> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
>> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided a lot of
> help with
>> this issue.
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> http://dts-l.org/
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > Hi,
>> > I just got done working on line and after I got done playing
> Solitaire, I
>> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my Icons
> disappeared!!
>> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
>> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
>> > Angel
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Angel · Jul 13, 2007

Hi Glee,
I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do not try to
scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I did not try to
scan the files. After I had shut down for the night and restarted the
computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times starting up the computer since
I tried to do the file thing.
Angel

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will happen
every time you
> open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel without choosing
anything.
> You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the shelliconcache
file, so
> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is rebuilt.
>
> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both Win98 and
WinME,
> according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon cache from memory
as well
> as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
>
> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it up to
"Win9x poor
> management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey. Disabling
skins has no
> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to scan specific
folders,
> or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large numbers, till they
heed the
> fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
>
> HTH.
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Glee,
> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it came up
with
> > the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing and closed it.
But
> > I did that the other day and did not expect any after effects to remain.
> > That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan when I first
> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any more problems

> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know that this
was
> > a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and Standard Shield
and no
> > skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
> > Angel
> >
> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast on-demand
> > scanner and
> >> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is a "known"
bug
> > in Avast
> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by PCR on the
> > issue, in
> >> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!", posted June 29.
> >>
> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support forums:
> >> http://forum.avast.com/
> >>
> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided a lot of
> > help with
> >> this issue.
> >> --
> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> > Hi,
> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done playing
> > Solitaire, I
> >> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my Icons
> > disappeared!!
> >> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
> >> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
> >> > Angel
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

glee · Jul 13, 2007

I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast on-demand virus scanner
and select Folders in the Areas To Scan section, the dialog opens to 'Select the
areas'. Whether or not you select an area, or cancel, when you close Avast, the
icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar, and so forth as
mentioned.

Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at some other time?
Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the computer three times, and
without opening Avast afterwards, the issue with icons still occurred? Or something
else?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi Glee,
> I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do not try to
> scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I did not try to
> scan the files. After I had shut down for the night and restarted the
> computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times starting up the computer since
> I tried to do the file thing.
> Angel
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will happen
> every time you
>> open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel without choosing
> anything.
>> You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the shelliconcache
> file, so
>> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is rebuilt.
>>
>> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both Win98 and
> WinME,
>> according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon cache from memory
> as well
>> as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
>>
>> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it up to
> "Win9x poor
>> management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey. Disabling
> skins has no
>> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to scan specific
> folders,
>> or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large numbers, till they
> heed the
>> fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
>>
>> HTH.
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> http://dts-l.org/
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> > Hi Glee,
>> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it came up
> with
>> > the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing and closed it.
> But
>> > I did that the other day and did not expect any after effects to remain.
>> > That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan when I first
>> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any more problems
>
>> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know that this
> was
>> > a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and Standard Shield
> and no
>> > skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
>> > Angel
>> >
>> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast on-demand
>> > scanner and
>> >> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is a "known"
> bug
>> > in Avast
>> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by PCR on the
>> > issue, in
>> >> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!", posted June 29.
>> >>
>> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support forums:
>> >> http://forum.avast.com/
>> >>
>> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
>> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
>> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided a lot of
>> > help with
>> >> this issue.
>> >> --
>> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done playing
>> > Solitaire, I
>> >> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my Icons
>> > disappeared!!
>> >> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
>> >> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
>> >> > Angel
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Angel · Jul 14, 2007

Yes Glee,
I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I only used
the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried to do the folder
thing since the problem first started. I still get the problem even when I
am done playing solitaire which is furnished with the Windows 98se. What I
want to know is will I continue having problem with the Avast! even if I
only use the Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut down the
computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan? It also happened
before I do the scan. Right after I played the solitaire game. I moved the
mouse toward the bottom near the Quick Launch bar the icons disappeared.
Angel

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast on-demand
virus scanner
> and select Folders in the Areas To Scan section, the dialog opens to
'Select the
> areas'. Whether or not you select an area, or cancel, when you close
Avast, the
> icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar, and so
forth as
> mentioned.
>
> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at some
other time?
> Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the computer three times,
and
> without opening Avast afterwards, the issue with icons still occurred? Or
something
> else?
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Glee,
> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do not try
to
> > scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I did not try to
> > scan the files. After I had shut down for the night and restarted the
> > computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times starting up the computer
since
> > I tried to do the file thing.
> > Angel
> >
> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will happen
> > every time you
> >> open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel without choosing
> > anything.
> >> You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the
shelliconcache
> > file, so
> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is
rebuilt.
> >>
> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both Win98
and
> > WinME,
> >> according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon cache from
memory
> > as well
> >> as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
> >>
> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it up to
> > "Win9x poor
> >> management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey. Disabling
> > skins has no
> >> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to scan
specific
> > folders,
> >> or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large numbers, till
they
> > heed the
> >> fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
> >>
> >> HTH.
> >> --
> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> > Hi Glee,
> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it came up
> > with
> >> > the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing and closed
it.
> > But
> >> > I did that the other day and did not expect any after effects to
remain.
> >> > That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan when I
first
> >> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any more
problems
> >
> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know that
this
> > was
> >> > a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and Standard Shield
> > and no
> >> > skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
> >> > Angel
> >> >
> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast on-demand
> >> > scanner and
> >> >> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is a
"known"
> > bug
> >> > in Avast
> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by PCR on
the
> >> > issue, in
> >> >> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!", posted June
29.
> >> >>
> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support forums:
> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/
> >> >>
> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided a lot
of
> >> > help with
> >> >> this issue.
> >> >> --
> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done playing
> >> > Solitaire, I
> >> >> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my Icons
> >> > disappeared!!
> >> >> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
> >> >> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

PCR · Jul 14, 2007

Angel wrote:
| Yes Glee,
| I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I
| only used the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried to
| do the folder thing since the problem first started. I still get the
| problem even when I am done playing solitaire which is furnished with
| the Windows 98se. What I want to know is will I continue having
| problem with the Avast! even if I only use the Standard Scan? I
| usually do the scan before I shut down the computer. Will I have to
| stop this habit and not scan? It also happened before I do the scan.
| Right after I played the solitaire game. I moved the mouse toward the
| bottom near the Quick Launch bar the icons disappeared. Angel

The problem GOES AWAY with a reboot. It won't come back, UNTIL you use
the Folder Selection button (or any Browse button in avast!) again.
(It's possible to scan selected folders or drives by R-Clkng them in
Explorer, instead of using the main avast! interface. And you really
don't need to use avast!'s Browse buttons much.)

Are you using a shortcut to reboot? Better reboot this way, if you want
to regenerate icons...

"START button, Shut Down, Reboot"

Here's the full story as glee & cquirke tell it, but usually you don't
need to do all this...

(1) "Control Panel, Display, Appearance tab".
(2) Select "Icon" in the Item dropdown menu.
(3) Change the Icon size by one pixel, & Apply.
(4) Change it back to original size, & Apply.
(5) "START button, Shut Down, Restart".
(Do not use a shortcut to Restart.)

Now, you should have a new ShellIconCache with one reboot & never
needing to delete it or to enter Safe Mode.

If you don't have your icons back after that, it must be something else
at fault.

| "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
| news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast
|> on-demand virus scanner and select Folders in the Areas To Scan
|> section, the dialog opens to 'Select the areas'. Whether or not you
|> select an area, or cancel, when you close Avast, the icons will
|> disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar, and so forth as
|> mentioned.
|>
|> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at
|> some other time? Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the
|> computer three times, and without opening Avast afterwards, the
|> issue with icons still occurred? Or something else?
|> --
|> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> http://dts-l.org/
|> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|>
|>
|> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
|> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> > Hi Glee,
|> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do not
|> > try to scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I
|> > did not try to scan the files. After I had shut down for the night
|> > and restarted the computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times
|> > starting up the computer since I tried to do the file thing.
|> > Angel
|> >
|> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
|> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will
|> >> happen every time you open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if
|> >> you cancel without choosing anything. You have to reboot to
|> >> restore the icons, and it deletes the shelliconcache file, so
|> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is
|> >> rebuilt.
|> >>
|> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both
|> >> Win98 and WinME, according to forum reports. It appears to erase
|> >> the icon cache from memory as well as deleting the shelliconcache
|> >> file physically.
|> >>
|> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it
|> >> up to "Win9x poor management of resources", which sounds a bunch
|> >> of malarkey. Disabling skins has no effect....I see no solution
|> >> except to not use the option to scan specific folders, or to
|> >> complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large numbers, till
|> >> they heed the fact that the problem exists, and correct it if
|> >> possible.
|> >>
|> >> HTH.
|> >> --
|> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> >> http://dts-l.org/
|> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> >>
|> >>
|> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
|> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> >> > Hi Glee,
|> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it
|> >> > came up with the Archives could not be scanned, I did the
|> >> > folder thing and closed it. But I did that the other day and
|> >> > did not expect any after effects to remain. That is what I am
|> >> > questioning. I also did the through Scan when I first installed
|> >> > Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any more problems
|> >
|> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know
|> >> > that this was a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield
|> >> > and Standard Shield and no skins. I never had skins running.
|> >> > Any solution? Angel
|> >> >
|> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
|> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast
|> >> >> on-demand scanner and open the dialog box for selecting
|> >> >> folders to scan? This is a
| "known"
|> > bug
|> >> > in Avast
|> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by
|> >> >> PCR on the issue, in this group....Subject: "Avast! loses
|> >> >> program icons!", posted June 29.
|> >> >>
|> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support
|> >> >> forums: http://forum.avast.com/
|> >> >>
|> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
|> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
|> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided
|> >> >> a lot of help with this issue.
|> >> >> --
|> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
|> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> >> >>
|> >> >>
|> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
|> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> >> >> > Hi,
|> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done
|> >> >> > playing Solitaire, I just went past the Icons in bottom left
|> >> >> > side and all my Icons disappeared!! I then went to the start
|> >> >> > button and all icons are gone! What is causing this? It was
|> >> >> > a surprise, never expected it. Angel

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Angel · Jul 14, 2007

Yes PCR, I did shut down completely each time. I DID NOT use the
restart, Glee called it, the shortcut. Some of the time the computer was
shut down overnight. I still had the disappearing icons. That is why I
posted the question.
Angel

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ewr6EolxHHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Angel wrote:
> | Yes Glee,
> | I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I
> | only used the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried to
> | do the folder thing since the problem first started. I still get the
> | problem even when I am done playing solitaire which is furnished with
> | the Windows 98se. What I want to know is will I continue having
> | problem with the Avast! even if I only use the Standard Scan? I
> | usually do the scan before I shut down the computer. Will I have to
> | stop this habit and not scan? It also happened before I do the scan.
> | Right after I played the solitaire game. I moved the mouse toward the
> | bottom near the Quick Launch bar the icons disappeared. Angel
>
> The problem GOES AWAY with a reboot. It won't come back, UNTIL you use
> the Folder Selection button (or any Browse button in avast!) again.
> (It's possible to scan selected folders or drives by R-Clkng them in
> Explorer, instead of using the main avast! interface. And you really
> don't need to use avast!'s Browse buttons much.)
>
> Are you using a shortcut to reboot? Better reboot this way, if you want
> to regenerate icons...
>
> "START button, Shut Down, Reboot"
>
> Here's the full story as glee & cquirke tell it, but usually you don't
> need to do all this...
>
> (1) "Control Panel, Display, Appearance tab".
> (2) Select "Icon" in the Item dropdown menu.
> (3) Change the Icon size by one pixel, & Apply.
> (4) Change it back to original size, & Apply.
> (5) "START button, Shut Down, Restart".
> (Do not use a shortcut to Restart.)
>
> Now, you should have a new ShellIconCache with one reboot & never
> needing to delete it or to enter Safe Mode.
>
> If you don't have your icons back after that, it must be something else
> at fault.
>
> | "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> | news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> |> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast
> |> on-demand virus scanner and select Folders in the Areas To Scan
> |> section, the dialog opens to 'Select the areas'. Whether or not you
> |> select an area, or cancel, when you close Avast, the icons will
> |> disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar, and so forth as
> |> mentioned.
> |>
> |> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at
> |> some other time? Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the
> |> computer three times, and without opening Avast afterwards, the
> |> issue with icons still occurred? Or something else?
> |> --
> |> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> |> http://dts-l.org/
> |> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> |>
> |>
> |> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> |> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |> > Hi Glee,
> |> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do not
> |> > try to scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I
> |> > did not try to scan the files. After I had shut down for the night
> |> > and restarted the computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times
> |> > starting up the computer since I tried to do the file thing.
> |> > Angel
> |> >
> |> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> |> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will
> |> >> happen every time you open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if
> |> >> you cancel without choosing anything. You have to reboot to
> |> >> restore the icons, and it deletes the shelliconcache file, so
> |> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is
> |> >> rebuilt.
> |> >>
> |> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both
> |> >> Win98 and WinME, according to forum reports. It appears to erase
> |> >> the icon cache from memory as well as deleting the shelliconcache
> |> >> file physically.
> |> >>
> |> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it
> |> >> up to "Win9x poor management of resources", which sounds a bunch
> |> >> of malarkey. Disabling skins has no effect....I see no solution
> |> >> except to not use the option to scan specific folders, or to
> |> >> complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large numbers, till
> |> >> they heed the fact that the problem exists, and correct it if
> |> >> possible.
> |> >>
> |> >> HTH.
> |> >> --
> |> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> |> >> http://dts-l.org/
> |> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> |> >>
> |> >>
> |> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> |> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> |> >> > Hi Glee,
> |> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it
> |> >> > came up with the Archives could not be scanned, I did the
> |> >> > folder thing and closed it. But I did that the other day and
> |> >> > did not expect any after effects to remain. That is what I am
> |> >> > questioning. I also did the through Scan when I first installed
> |> >> > Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any more problems
> |> >
> |> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know
> |> >> > that this was a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield
> |> >> > and Standard Shield and no skins. I never had skins running.
> |> >> > Any solution? Angel
> |> >> >
> |> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> |> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> |> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast
> |> >> >> on-demand scanner and open the dialog box for selecting
> |> >> >> folders to scan? This is a
> | "known"
> |> > bug
> |> >> > in Avast
> |> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by
> |> >> >> PCR on the issue, in this group....Subject: "Avast! loses
> |> >> >> program icons!", posted June 29.
> |> >> >>
> |> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support
> |> >> >> forums: http://forum.avast.com/
> |> >> >>
> |> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
> |> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
> |> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided
> |> >> >> a lot of help with this issue.
> |> >> >> --
> |> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> |> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> |> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> |> >> >>
> |> >> >>
> |> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> |> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> |> >> >> > Hi,
> |> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done
> |> >> >> > playing Solitaire, I just went past the Icons in bottom left
> |> >> >> > side and all my Icons disappeared!! I then went to the start
> |> >> >> > button and all icons are gone! What is causing this? It was
> |> >> >> > a surprise, never expected it. Angel
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

glee · Jul 14, 2007

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:OUil1fjxHHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Yes Glee,
> I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I only used
> the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried to do the folder
> thing since the problem first started.

The issue with Avast of icons disappearing, occurs regardless of whether you have
selectedStandard or Thorough Scan, and regardless of whether scanning withing
archives is selected.

> I still get the problem even when I
> am done playing solitaire which is furnished with the Windows 98se.

That I don't understand, as it should not have anything to do with Avast.

> What I
> want to know is will I continue having problem with the Avast! even if I
> only use the Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut down the
> computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan? It also happened
> before I do the scan. Right after I played the solitaire game. I moved the
> mouse toward the bottom near the Quick Launch bar the icons disappeared.

Does the issue resolve itself when you restart? Do the icons disappear in Windows
Explorer and on the Start Menu also?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast on-demand
> virus scanner
>> and select Folders in the Areas To Scan section, the dialog opens to
> 'Select the
>> areas'. Whether or not you select an area, or cancel, when you close
> Avast, the
>> icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar, and so
> forth as
>> mentioned.
>>
>> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at some
> other time?
>> Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the computer three times,
> and
>> without opening Avast afterwards, the issue with icons still occurred? Or
> something
>> else?
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> http://dts-l.org/
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> > Hi Glee,
>> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do not try
> to
>> > scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I did not try to
>> > scan the files. After I had shut down for the night and restarted the
>> > computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times starting up the computer
> since
>> > I tried to do the file thing.
>> > Angel
>> >
>> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will happen
>> > every time you
>> >> open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel without choosing
>> > anything.
>> >> You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the
> shelliconcache
>> > file, so
>> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is
> rebuilt.
>> >>
>> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both Win98
> and
>> > WinME,
>> >> according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon cache from
> memory
>> > as well
>> >> as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
>> >>
>> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it up to
>> > "Win9x poor
>> >> management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey. Disabling
>> > skins has no
>> >> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to scan
> specific
>> > folders,
>> >> or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large numbers, till
> they
>> > heed the
>> >> fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
>> >>
>> >> HTH.
>> >> --
>> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Hi Glee,
>> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it came up
>> > with
>> >> > the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing and closed
> it.
>> > But
>> >> > I did that the other day and did not expect any after effects to
> remain.
>> >> > That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan when I
> first
>> >> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any more
> problems
>> >
>> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know that
> this
>> > was
>> >> > a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and Standard Shield
>> > and no
>> >> > skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
>> >> > Angel
>> >> >
>> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast on-demand
>> >> > scanner and
>> >> >> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is a
> "known"
>> > bug
>> >> > in Avast
>> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by PCR on
> the
>> >> > issue, in
>> >> >> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!", posted June
> 29.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support forums:
>> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
>> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
>> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided a lot
> of
>> >> > help with
>> >> >> this issue.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > Hi,
>> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done playing
>> >> > Solitaire, I
>> >> >> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my Icons
>> >> > disappeared!!
>> >> >> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
>> >> >> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
>> >> >> > Angel
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Angel · Jul 14, 2007

No Glee,
It does not resolve when I shut down and cold start the computer. Yes,
the Icons disappear in both the Start and the Quick launch bar. I do not
know if the Icons disappear in Windows Explorer. I have not checked that.
Angel

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:e$bWQTnxHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> news:OUil1fjxHHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Yes Glee,
> > I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I only
used
> > the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried to do the
folder
> > thing since the problem first started.
>
> The issue with Avast of icons disappearing, occurs regardless of whether
you have
> selectedStandard or Thorough Scan, and regardless of whether scanning
withing
> archives is selected.
>
> > I still get the problem even when I
> > am done playing solitaire which is furnished with the Windows 98se.
>
> That I don't understand, as it should not have anything to do with Avast.
>
> > What I
> > want to know is will I continue having problem with the Avast! even if I
> > only use the Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut down the
> > computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan? It also happened
> > before I do the scan. Right after I played the solitaire game. I moved
the
> > mouse toward the bottom near the Quick Launch bar the icons disappeared.
>
> Does the issue resolve itself when you restart? Do the icons disappear in
Windows
> Explorer and on the Start Menu also?
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> >
> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast on-demand
> > virus scanner
> >> and select Folders in the Areas To Scan section, the dialog opens to
> > 'Select the
> >> areas'. Whether or not you select an area, or cancel, when you close
> > Avast, the
> >> icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar, and so
> > forth as
> >> mentioned.
> >>
> >> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at some
> > other time?
> >> Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the computer three
times,
> > and
> >> without opening Avast afterwards, the issue with icons still occurred?
Or
> > something
> >> else?
> >> --
> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> > Hi Glee,
> >> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do not
try
> > to
> >> > scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I did not try
to
> >> > scan the files. After I had shut down for the night and restarted the
> >> > computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times starting up the computer
> > since
> >> > I tried to do the file thing.
> >> > Angel
> >> >
> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will
happen
> >> > every time you
> >> >> open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel without
choosing
> >> > anything.
> >> >> You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the
> > shelliconcache
> >> > file, so
> >> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is
> > rebuilt.
> >> >>
> >> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both
Win98
> > and
> >> > WinME,
> >> >> according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon cache from
> > memory
> >> > as well
> >> >> as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
> >> >>
> >> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it up
to
> >> > "Win9x poor
> >> >> management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey.
Disabling
> >> > skins has no
> >> >> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to scan
> > specific
> >> > folders,
> >> >> or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large numbers,
till
> > they
> >> > heed the
> >> >> fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
> >> >>
> >> >> HTH.
> >> >> --
> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > Hi Glee,
> >> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it came
up
> >> > with
> >> >> > the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing and
closed
> > it.
> >> > But
> >> >> > I did that the other day and did not expect any after effects to
> > remain.
> >> >> > That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan when I
> > first
> >> >> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any more
> > problems
> >> >
> >> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know that
> > this
> >> > was
> >> >> > a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and Standard
Shield
> >> > and no
> >> >> > skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast
on-demand
> >> >> > scanner and
> >> >> >> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is a
> > "known"
> >> > bug
> >> >> > in Avast
> >> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by PCR
on
> > the
> >> >> > issue, in
> >> >> >> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!", posted June
> > 29.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support forums:
> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
> >> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided a
lot
> > of
> >> >> > help with
> >> >> >> this issue.
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done playing
> >> >> > Solitaire, I
> >> >> >> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my Icons
> >> >> > disappeared!!
> >> >> >> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
> >> >> >> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
> >> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

glee · Jul 14, 2007

I know this doesn't seem like much of a distinction, but does it resolve when you do
a restart rather than a shutdown and cold start?

How do you get the icons back, then? Or are they permanently gone now?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:uDCo8pnxHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> No Glee,
> It does not resolve when I shut down and cold start the computer. Yes,
> the Icons disappear in both the Start and the Quick launch bar. I do not
> know if the Icons disappear in Windows Explorer. I have not checked that.
> Angel
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:e$bWQTnxHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> news:OUil1fjxHHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > Yes Glee,
>> > I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I only
> used
>> > the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried to do the
> folder
>> > thing since the problem first started.
>>
>> The issue with Avast of icons disappearing, occurs regardless of whether
> you have
>> selectedStandard or Thorough Scan, and regardless of whether scanning
> withing
>> archives is selected.
>>
>> > I still get the problem even when I
>> > am done playing solitaire which is furnished with the Windows 98se.
>>
>> That I don't understand, as it should not have anything to do with Avast.
>>
>> > What I
>> > want to know is will I continue having problem with the Avast! even if I
>> > only use the Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut down the
>> > computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan? It also happened
>> > before I do the scan. Right after I played the solitaire game. I moved
> the
>> > mouse toward the bottom near the Quick Launch bar the icons disappeared.
>>
>> Does the issue resolve itself when you restart? Do the icons disappear in
> Windows
>> Explorer and on the Start Menu also?
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> http://dts-l.org/
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> >
>> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> > news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast on-demand
>> > virus scanner
>> >> and select Folders in the Areas To Scan section, the dialog opens to
>> > 'Select the
>> >> areas'. Whether or not you select an area, or cancel, when you close
>> > Avast, the
>> >> icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar, and so
>> > forth as
>> >> mentioned.
>> >>
>> >> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at some
>> > other time?
>> >> Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the computer three
> times,
>> > and
>> >> without opening Avast afterwards, the issue with icons still occurred?
> Or
>> > something
>> >> else?
>> >> --
>> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Hi Glee,
>> >> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do not
> try
>> > to
>> >> > scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I did not try
> to
>> >> > scan the files. After I had shut down for the night and restarted the
>> >> > computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times starting up the computer
>> > since
>> >> > I tried to do the file thing.
>> >> > Angel
>> >> >
>> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will
> happen
>> >> > every time you
>> >> >> open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel without
> choosing
>> >> > anything.
>> >> >> You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the
>> > shelliconcache
>> >> > file, so
>> >> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is
>> > rebuilt.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both
> Win98
>> > and
>> >> > WinME,
>> >> >> according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon cache from
>> > memory
>> >> > as well
>> >> >> as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it up
> to
>> >> > "Win9x poor
>> >> >> management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey.
> Disabling
>> >> > skins has no
>> >> >> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to scan
>> > specific
>> >> > folders,
>> >> >> or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large numbers,
> till
>> > they
>> >> > heed the
>> >> >> fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> HTH.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > Hi Glee,
>> >> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it came
> up
>> >> > with
>> >> >> > the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing and
> closed
>> > it.
>> >> > But
>> >> >> > I did that the other day and did not expect any after effects to
>> > remain.
>> >> >> > That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan when I
>> > first
>> >> >> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any more
>> > problems
>> >> >
>> >> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know that
>> > this
>> >> > was
>> >> >> > a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and Standard
> Shield
>> >> > and no
>> >> >> > skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
>> >> >> > Angel
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast
> on-demand
>> >> >> > scanner and
>> >> >> >> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is a
>> > "known"
>> >> > bug
>> >> >> > in Avast
>> >> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by PCR
> on
>> > the
>> >> >> > issue, in
>> >> >> >> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!", posted June
>> > 29.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support forums:
>> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
>> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
>> >> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided a
> lot
>> > of
>> >> >> > help with
>> >> >> >> this issue.
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> > Hi,
>> >> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done playing
>> >> >> > Solitaire, I
>> >> >> >> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my Icons
>> >> >> > disappeared!!
>> >> >> >> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
>> >> >> >> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
>> >> >> >> > Angel
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Angel · Jul 15, 2007

Hi Glee,
The Icons come back when I restart either by cold start or the short cut
restart, only to disappear again later when pass over the Quick Launch bar.
The Icons did not disappear yesterday so maybe, just maybe that problem has
resolved itself. Wishful thinking but computers do strange things. From now
on I will be careful when using the Avast! Virus Scan until that *Bug*
problem is resolved. I will keep watching the posts about it. I have seen
many OSs since 1992 when I first started working with them. After I retired
I took Classes at KSU on them. Thanks everyone for your input on this
problem that PCR and I are having issues about.
Thanks again,
Angel

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:umqRoZoxHHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> I know this doesn't seem like much of a distinction, but does it resolve
when you do
> a restart rather than a shutdown and cold start?
>
> How do you get the icons back, then? Or are they permanently gone now?
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> news:uDCo8pnxHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > No Glee,
> > It does not resolve when I shut down and cold start the computer.
Yes,
> > the Icons disappear in both the Start and the Quick launch bar. I do not
> > know if the Icons disappear in Windows Explorer. I have not checked
that.
> > Angel
> >
> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:e$bWQTnxHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> news:OUil1fjxHHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> > Yes Glee,
> >> > I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I only
> > used
> >> > the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried to do the
> > folder
> >> > thing since the problem first started.
> >>
> >> The issue with Avast of icons disappearing, occurs regardless of
whether
> > you have
> >> selectedStandard or Thorough Scan, and regardless of whether scanning
> > withing
> >> archives is selected.
> >>
> >> > I still get the problem even when I
> >> > am done playing solitaire which is furnished with the Windows 98se.
> >>
> >> That I don't understand, as it should not have anything to do with
Avast.
> >>
> >> > What I
> >> > want to know is will I continue having problem with the Avast! even
if I
> >> > only use the Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut down
the
> >> > computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan? It also
happened
> >> > before I do the scan. Right after I played the solitaire game. I
moved
> > the
> >> > mouse toward the bottom near the Quick Launch bar the icons
disappeared.
> >>
> >> Does the issue resolve itself when you restart? Do the icons disappear
in
> > Windows
> >> Explorer and on the Start Menu also?
> >> --
> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> >> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast
on-demand
> >> > virus scanner
> >> >> and select Folders in the Areas To Scan section, the dialog opens to
> >> > 'Select the
> >> >> areas'. Whether or not you select an area, or cancel, when you
close
> >> > Avast, the
> >> >> icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar, and
so
> >> > forth as
> >> >> mentioned.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at
some
> >> > other time?
> >> >> Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the computer three
> > times,
> >> > and
> >> >> without opening Avast afterwards, the issue with icons still
occurred?
> > Or
> >> > something
> >> >> else?
> >> >> --
> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > Hi Glee,
> >> >> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do not
> > try
> >> > to
> >> >> > scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I did not
try
> > to
> >> >> > scan the files. After I had shut down for the night and restarted
the
> >> >> > computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times starting up the
computer
> >> > since
> >> >> > I tried to do the file thing.
> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will
> > happen
> >> >> > every time you
> >> >> >> open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel without
> > choosing
> >> >> > anything.
> >> >> >> You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the
> >> > shelliconcache
> >> >> > file, so
> >> >> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is
> >> > rebuilt.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both
> > Win98
> >> > and
> >> >> > WinME,
> >> >> >> according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon cache
from
> >> > memory
> >> >> > as well
> >> >> >> as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it
up
> > to
> >> >> > "Win9x poor
> >> >> >> management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey.
> > Disabling
> >> >> > skins has no
> >> >> >> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to scan
> >> > specific
> >> >> > folders,
> >> >> >> or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large numbers,
> > till
> >> > they
> >> >> > heed the
> >> >> >> fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> HTH.
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > Hi Glee,
> >> >> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it
came
> > up
> >> >> > with
> >> >> >> > the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing and
> > closed
> >> > it.
> >> >> > But
> >> >> >> > I did that the other day and did not expect any after effects
to
> >> > remain.
> >> >> >> > That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan when
I
> >> > first
> >> >> >> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any more
> >> > problems
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know
that
> >> > this
> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> > a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and Standard
> > Shield
> >> >> > and no
> >> >> >> > skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
> >> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast
> > on-demand
> >> >> >> > scanner and
> >> >> >> >> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is a
> >> > "known"
> >> >> > bug
> >> >> >> > in Avast
> >> >> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by
PCR
> > on
> >> > the
> >> >> >> > issue, in
> >> >> >> >> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!", posted
June
> >> > 29.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support
forums:
> >> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
> >> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
> >> >> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided
a
> > lot
> >> > of
> >> >> >> > help with
> >> >> >> >> this issue.
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done
playing
> >> >> >> > Solitaire, I
> >> >> >> >> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my
Icons
> >> >> >> > disappeared!!
> >> >> >> >> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
> >> >> >> >> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
> >> >> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

Angel · Jul 15, 2007

P.S. I tried that trick with the "Appearance Icon Change" as suggested.
Angel

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:eqXNFuuxHHA.404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hi Glee,
> The Icons come back when I restart either by cold start or the short
cut
> restart, only to disappear again later when pass over the Quick Launch
bar.
> The Icons did not disappear yesterday so maybe, just maybe that problem
has
> resolved itself. Wishful thinking but computers do strange things. From
now
> on I will be careful when using the Avast! Virus Scan until that *Bug*
> problem is resolved. I will keep watching the posts about it. I have seen
> many OSs since 1992 when I first started working with them. After I
retired
> I took Classes at KSU on them. Thanks everyone for your input on this
> problem that PCR and I are having issues about.
> Thanks again,
> Angel
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:umqRoZoxHHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > I know this doesn't seem like much of a distinction, but does it resolve
> when you do
> > a restart rather than a shutdown and cold start?
> >
> > How do you get the icons back, then? Or are they permanently gone now?
> > --
> > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> > http://dts-l.org/
> > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >
> >
> > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> > news:uDCo8pnxHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > > No Glee,
> > > It does not resolve when I shut down and cold start the computer.
> Yes,
> > > the Icons disappear in both the Start and the Quick launch bar. I do
not
> > > know if the Icons disappear in Windows Explorer. I have not checked
> that.
> > > Angel
> > >
> > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > > news:e$bWQTnxHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:OUil1fjxHHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > >> > Yes Glee,
> > >> > I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I
only
> > > used
> > >> > the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried to do the
> > > folder
> > >> > thing since the problem first started.
> > >>
> > >> The issue with Avast of icons disappearing, occurs regardless of
> whether
> > > you have
> > >> selectedStandard or Thorough Scan, and regardless of whether scanning
> > > withing
> > >> archives is selected.
> > >>
> > >> > I still get the problem even when I
> > >> > am done playing solitaire which is furnished with the Windows 98se.
> > >>
> > >> That I don't understand, as it should not have anything to do with
> Avast.
> > >>
> > >> > What I
> > >> > want to know is will I continue having problem with the Avast! even
> if I
> > >> > only use the Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut
down
> the
> > >> > computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan? It also
> happened
> > >> > before I do the scan. Right after I played the solitaire game. I
> moved
> > > the
> > >> > mouse toward the bottom near the Quick Launch bar the icons
> disappeared.
> > >>
> > >> Does the issue resolve itself when you restart? Do the icons
disappear
> in
> > > Windows
> > >> Explorer and on the Start Menu also?
> > >> --
> > >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> > >> http://dts-l.org/
> > >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > >> > news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast
> on-demand
> > >> > virus scanner
> > >> >> and select Folders in the Areas To Scan section, the dialog opens
to
> > >> > 'Select the
> > >> >> areas'. Whether or not you select an area, or cancel, when you
> close
> > >> > Avast, the
> > >> >> icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar,
and
> so
> > >> > forth as
> > >> >> mentioned.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at
> some
> > >> > other time?
> > >> >> Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the computer three
> > > times,
> > >> > and
> > >> >> without opening Avast afterwards, the issue with icons still
> occurred?
> > > Or
> > >> > something
> > >> >> else?
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> > >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> > >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> > Hi Glee,
> > >> >> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do
not
> > > try
> > >> > to
> > >> >> > scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I did
not
> try
> > > to
> > >> >> > scan the files. After I had shut down for the night and
restarted
> the
> > >> >> > computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times starting up the
> computer
> > >> > since
> > >> >> > I tried to do the file thing.
> > >> >> > Angel
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will
> > > happen
> > >> >> > every time you
> > >> >> >> open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel without
> > > choosing
> > >> >> > anything.
> > >> >> >> You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the
> > >> > shelliconcache
> > >> >> > file, so
> > >> >> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is
> > >> > rebuilt.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both
> > > Win98
> > >> > and
> > >> >> > WinME,
> > >> >> >> according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon cache
> from
> > >> > memory
> > >> >> > as well
> > >> >> >> as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it
> up
> > > to
> > >> >> > "Win9x poor
> > >> >> >> management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey.
> > > Disabling
> > >> >> > skins has no
> > >> >> >> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to
scan
> > >> > specific
> > >> >> > folders,
> > >> >> >> or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large
numbers,
> > > till
> > >> > they
> > >> >> > heed the
> > >> >> >> fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> HTH.
> > >> >> >> --
> > >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> > >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> > >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >> > Hi Glee,
> > >> >> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it
> came
> > > up
> > >> >> > with
> > >> >> >> > the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing and
> > > closed
> > >> > it.
> > >> >> > But
> > >> >> >> > I did that the other day and did not expect any after effects
> to
> > >> > remain.
> > >> >> >> > That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan
when
> I
> > >> > first
> > >> >> >> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any
more
> > >> > problems
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know
> that
> > >> > this
> > >> >> > was
> > >> >> >> > a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and
Standard
> > > Shield
> > >> >> > and no
> > >> >> >> > skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
> > >> >> >> > Angel
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast
> > > on-demand
> > >> >> >> > scanner and
> > >> >> >> >> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is
a
> > >> > "known"
> > >> >> > bug
> > >> >> >> > in Avast
> > >> >> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by
> PCR
> > > on
> > >> > the
> > >> >> >> > issue, in
> > >> >> >> >> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!", posted
> June
> > >> > 29.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support
> forums:
> > >> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
> > >> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
> > >> >> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not
provided
> a
> > > lot
> > >> > of
> > >> >> >> > help with
> > >> >> >> >> this issue.
> > >> >> >> >> --
> > >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> > >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> > >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >> >> > Hi,
> > >> >> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done
> playing
> > >> >> >> > Solitaire, I
> > >> >> >> >> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my
> Icons
> > >> >> >> > disappeared!!
> > >> >> >> >> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
> > >> >> >> >> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected
it.
> > >> >> >> >> > Angel
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

glee · Jul 15, 2007

See if this applies:
Quick Launch Toolbar Icons Are Missing or Unavailable
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=273785
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:eqXNFuuxHHA.404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hi Glee,
> The Icons come back when I restart either by cold start or the short cut
> restart, only to disappear again later when pass over the Quick Launch bar.
> The Icons did not disappear yesterday so maybe, just maybe that problem has
> resolved itself. Wishful thinking but computers do strange things. From now
> on I will be careful when using the Avast! Virus Scan until that *Bug*
> problem is resolved. I will keep watching the posts about it. I have seen
> many OSs since 1992 when I first started working with them. After I retired
> I took Classes at KSU on them. Thanks everyone for your input on this
> problem that PCR and I are having issues about.
> Thanks again,
> Angel
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:umqRoZoxHHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> I know this doesn't seem like much of a distinction, but does it resolve
> when you do
>> a restart rather than a shutdown and cold start?
>>
>> How do you get the icons back, then? Or are they permanently gone now?
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> http://dts-l.org/
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> news:uDCo8pnxHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> > No Glee,
>> > It does not resolve when I shut down and cold start the computer.
> Yes,
>> > the Icons disappear in both the Start and the Quick launch bar. I do not
>> > know if the Icons disappear in Windows Explorer. I have not checked
> that.
>> > Angel
>> >
>> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> > news:e$bWQTnxHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:OUil1fjxHHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Yes Glee,
>> >> > I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I only
>> > used
>> >> > the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried to do the
>> > folder
>> >> > thing since the problem first started.
>> >>
>> >> The issue with Avast of icons disappearing, occurs regardless of
> whether
>> > you have
>> >> selectedStandard or Thorough Scan, and regardless of whether scanning
>> > withing
>> >> archives is selected.
>> >>
>> >> > I still get the problem even when I
>> >> > am done playing solitaire which is furnished with the Windows 98se.
>> >>
>> >> That I don't understand, as it should not have anything to do with
> Avast.
>> >>
>> >> > What I
>> >> > want to know is will I continue having problem with the Avast! even
> if I
>> >> > only use the Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut down
> the
>> >> > computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan? It also
> happened
>> >> > before I do the scan. Right after I played the solitaire game. I
> moved
>> > the
>> >> > mouse toward the bottom near the Quick Launch bar the icons
> disappeared.
>> >>
>> >> Does the issue resolve itself when you restart? Do the icons disappear
> in
>> > Windows
>> >> Explorer and on the Start Menu also?
>> >> --
>> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast
> on-demand
>> >> > virus scanner
>> >> >> and select Folders in the Areas To Scan section, the dialog opens to
>> >> > 'Select the
>> >> >> areas'. Whether or not you select an area, or cancel, when you
> close
>> >> > Avast, the
>> >> >> icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar, and
> so
>> >> > forth as
>> >> >> mentioned.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at
> some
>> >> > other time?
>> >> >> Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the computer three
>> > times,
>> >> > and
>> >> >> without opening Avast afterwards, the issue with icons still
> occurred?
>> > Or
>> >> > something
>> >> >> else?
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > Hi Glee,
>> >> >> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do not
>> > try
>> >> > to
>> >> >> > scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I did not
> try
>> > to
>> >> >> > scan the files. After I had shut down for the night and restarted
> the
>> >> >> > computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times starting up the
> computer
>> >> > since
>> >> >> > I tried to do the file thing.
>> >> >> > Angel
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will
>> > happen
>> >> >> > every time you
>> >> >> >> open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel without
>> > choosing
>> >> >> > anything.
>> >> >> >> You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the
>> >> > shelliconcache
>> >> >> > file, so
>> >> >> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is
>> >> > rebuilt.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both
>> > Win98
>> >> > and
>> >> >> > WinME,
>> >> >> >> according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon cache
> from
>> >> > memory
>> >> >> > as well
>> >> >> >> as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it
> up
>> > to
>> >> >> > "Win9x poor
>> >> >> >> management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey.
>> > Disabling
>> >> >> > skins has no
>> >> >> >> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to scan
>> >> > specific
>> >> >> > folders,
>> >> >> >> or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large numbers,
>> > till
>> >> > they
>> >> >> > heed the
>> >> >> >> fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> HTH.
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> > Hi Glee,
>> >> >> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it
> came
>> > up
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> >> > the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing and
>> > closed
>> >> > it.
>> >> >> > But
>> >> >> >> > I did that the other day and did not expect any after effects
> to
>> >> > remain.
>> >> >> >> > That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan when
> I
>> >> > first
>> >> >> >> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any more
>> >> > problems
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know
> that
>> >> > this
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> >> > a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and Standard
>> > Shield
>> >> >> > and no
>> >> >> >> > skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
>> >> >> >> > Angel
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast
>> > on-demand
>> >> >> >> > scanner and
>> >> >> >> >> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is a
>> >> > "known"
>> >> >> > bug
>> >> >> >> > in Avast
>> >> >> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by
> PCR
>> > on
>> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > issue, in
>> >> >> >> >> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!", posted
> June
>> >> > 29.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support
> forums:
>> >> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
>> >> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
>> >> >> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not provided
> a
>> > lot
>> >> > of
>> >> >> >> > help with
>> >> >> >> >> this issue.
>> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> >> > Hi,
>> >> >> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done
> playing
>> >> >> >> > Solitaire, I
>> >> >> >> >> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my
> Icons
>> >> >> >> > disappeared!!
>> >> >> >> >> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
>> >> >> >> >> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
>> >> >> >> >> > Angel
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

PCR · Jul 15, 2007

Angel wrote:
| Yes PCR, I did shut down completely each time.

I still matters HOW you shut down. Did you use the START menu or one of
those various contrived shortcuts? It's best to use the menu. Shortcuts
don't allow the ShellIconCache to get rebuilt. Also, maybe check this
out...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KBEN-USq130234
Save Settings On Exit Option Enabled by Default
....Quote.............
....snip...
Setting the NoSaveSettings field to 1 prevents your settings from being
saved. When you set this value, the following items are not saved when
you exit Windows:

Changed icon positions on the desktop.
Windows that are open when you exit.
The size and position of the taskbar.
....End quote.......

However, in my Win98SE, Desktop Icons appear to be unaffected by
NoSaveSettings. Anyhow, try this...

"START button, Run, RegEdit", & navigate to...

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Exp
lorer

That is,
(a) Click plus signs, beginning left of "HKEY_CURRENT_USER",
& ending left of "Policies".
(b) Click "Explorer" in the left pane, & look in the right pane.
(c) R-Clk "NoSaveSettings", if there, in the R-pane, & select "Modify".
(d) Change it to all zeros... 00 00 00 00.
Right-Arrow to left of "01", use delete key, type "00".
(If in DWORD format, just make it a zero.)
(e) Exit, & it may be necessary to reboot.

Also, report everything you see there, except for CDRAutoRun &
NoDriveTypeAutoRun.

| I DID NOT use the
| restart, Glee called it, the shortcut. Some of the time the computer
| was shut down overnight. I still had the disappearing icons. That is
| why I posted the question.

Well, I see glee has an article for you. You may actually be
experiencing a different "disappearing icon" phenomenon than the one
glee & I think.

Actually, no icon should disappear, EXCEPT the little ones to the left
of folder & program names seen... in Explorer (left & right panes), in
file selection dialog boxes, & in the START menu past the first layer.
(The 1st layer is fine!) Other icons will change to the "flying windows"
icon-- notably in the Control Panel. BUT I haven't seen icons disappear
from the Desktop or even change. Also, they don't disappear (or even
change) from the Tray, QuickLaunch bar, or the Taskbar. And I've just
tried it again to see!

There was something else that did cause icons to disappear from the
Taskbar. It was the "Friend Greeting" thing...

http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99760
......Quote........
Use the ADD/REMOVE Programs Control Panel in Windows to remove the
Friend Greetings application, as well as the WinSrv Reg application.
This will uninstall this program.
......EOQ...........

But best go read the whole article.

| Angel
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ewr6EolxHHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> Angel wrote:
|> | Yes Glee,
|> | I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I
|> | only used the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried
|> | to do the folder thing since the problem first started. I still
|> | get the problem even when I am done playing solitaire which is
|> | furnished with the Windows 98se. What I want to know is will I
|> | continue having problem with the Avast! even if I only use the
|> | Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut down the
|> | computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan? It also
|> | happened before I do the scan. Right after I played the solitaire
|> | game. I moved the mouse toward the bottom near the Quick Launch
|> | bar the icons disappeared. Angel
|>
|> The problem GOES AWAY with a reboot. It won't come back, UNTIL you
|> use the Folder Selection button (or any Browse button in avast!)
|> again. (It's possible to scan selected folders or drives by R-Clkng
|> them in Explorer, instead of using the main avast! interface. And
|> you really don't need to use avast!'s Browse buttons much.)
|>
|> Are you using a shortcut to reboot? Better reboot this way, if you
|> want to regenerate icons...
|>
|> "START button, Shut Down, Reboot"
|>
|> Here's the full story as glee & cquirke tell it, but usually you
|> don't need to do all this...
|>
|> (1) "Control Panel, Display, Appearance tab".
|> (2) Select "Icon" in the Item dropdown menu.
|> (3) Change the Icon size by one pixel, & Apply.
|> (4) Change it back to original size, & Apply.
|> (5) "START button, Shut Down, Restart".
|> (Do not use a shortcut to Restart.)
|>
|> Now, you should have a new ShellIconCache with one reboot & never
|> needing to delete it or to enter Safe Mode.
|>
|> If you don't have your icons back after that, it must be something
|> else at fault.
|>
|> | "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
|> | news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> |> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast
|> |> on-demand virus scanner and select Folders in the Areas To Scan
|> |> section, the dialog opens to 'Select the areas'. Whether or not
|> |> you select an area, or cancel, when you close Avast, the icons
|> |> will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar, and so
|> |> forth as mentioned.
|> |>
|> |> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at
|> |> some other time? Are you stating that you shut down or restarted
|> |> the computer three times, and without opening Avast afterwards,
|> |> the issue with icons still occurred? Or something else?
|> |> --
|> |> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> |> http://dts-l.org/
|> |> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
|> |> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> > Hi Glee,
|> |> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do
|> |> > not try to scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time
|> |> > that I did not try to scan the files. After I had shut down for
|> |> > the night and restarted the computer the next day. Which
|> |> > equaled 3 times starting up the computer since I tried to do
|> |> > the file thing. Angel
|> |> >
|> |> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
|> |> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will
|> |> >> happen every time you open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even
|> |> >> if you cancel without choosing anything. You have to reboot to
|> |> >> restore the icons, and it deletes the shelliconcache file, so
|> |> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is
|> |> >> rebuilt.
|> |> >>
|> |> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both
|> |> >> Win98 and WinME, according to forum reports. It appears to
|> |> >> erase the icon cache from memory as well as deleting the
|> |> >> shelliconcache file physically.
|> |> >>
|> |> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it
|> |> >> up to "Win9x poor management of resources", which sounds a
|> |> >> bunch of malarkey. Disabling skins has no effect....I see no
|> |> >> solution except to not use the option to scan specific
|> |> >> folders, or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in
|> |> >> large numbers, till they heed the fact that the problem
|> |> >> exists, and correct it if possible.
|> |> >>
|> |> >> HTH.
|> |> >> --
|> |> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> |> >> http://dts-l.org/
|> |> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> |> >>
|> |> >>
|> |> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
|> |> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> >> > Hi Glee,
|> |> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it
|> |> >> > came up with the Archives could not be scanned, I did the
|> |> >> > folder thing and closed it. But I did that the other day and
|> |> >> > did not expect any after effects to remain. That is what I am
|> |> >> > questioning. I also did the through Scan when I first
|> |> >> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any
|> |> >> > more problems
|> |> >
|> |> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know
|> |> >> > that this was a bug to worry about. I only have the Web
|> |> >> > Shield and Standard Shield and no skins. I never had skins
|> |> >> > running. Any solution? Angel
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
|> |> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast
|> |> >> >> on-demand scanner and open the dialog box for selecting
|> |> >> >> folders to scan? This is a
|> | "known"
|> |> > bug
|> |> >> > in Avast
|> |> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by
|> |> >> >> PCR on the issue, in this group....Subject: "Avast! loses
|> |> >> >> program icons!", posted June 29.
|> |> >> >>
|> |> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support
|> |> >> >> forums: http://forum.avast.com/
|> |> >> >>
|> |> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
|> |> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
|> |> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not
|> |> >> >> provided a lot of help with this issue.
|> |> >> >> --
|> |> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> |> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
|> |> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> |> >> >>
|> |> >> >>
|> |> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
|> |> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> >> >> > Hi,
|> |> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done
|> |> >> >> > playing Solitaire, I just went past the Icons in bottom
|> |> >> >> > left side and all my Icons disappeared!! I then went to
|> |> >> >> > the start button and all icons are gone! What is causing
|> |> >> >> > this? It was a surprise, never expected it. Angel
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Angel · Jul 15, 2007

Hi Glee,
I went to the registry as it mentioned in the article and when I got
down to the Policies\explorer, there was not that classic shell in it. So
that does not apply.
Angel

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:u47yHVwxHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> See if this applies:
> Quick Launch Toolbar Icons Are Missing or Unavailable
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=273785
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> news:eqXNFuuxHHA.404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Glee,
> > The Icons come back when I restart either by cold start or the short
cut
> > restart, only to disappear again later when pass over the Quick Launch
bar.
> > The Icons did not disappear yesterday so maybe, just maybe that problem
has
> > resolved itself. Wishful thinking but computers do strange things. From
now
> > on I will be careful when using the Avast! Virus Scan until that *Bug*
> > problem is resolved. I will keep watching the posts about it. I have
seen
> > many OSs since 1992 when I first started working with them. After I
retired
> > I took Classes at KSU on them. Thanks everyone for your input on this
> > problem that PCR and I are having issues about.
> > Thanks again,
> > Angel
> >
> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:umqRoZoxHHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> I know this doesn't seem like much of a distinction, but does it
resolve
> > when you do
> >> a restart rather than a shutdown and cold start?
> >>
> >> How do you get the icons back, then? Or are they permanently gone now?
> >> --
> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> news:uDCo8pnxHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> > No Glee,
> >> > It does not resolve when I shut down and cold start the computer.
> > Yes,
> >> > the Icons disappear in both the Start and the Quick launch bar. I do
not
> >> > know if the Icons disappear in Windows Explorer. I have not checked
> > that.
> >> > Angel
> >> >
> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:e$bWQTnxHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:OUil1fjxHHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > Yes Glee,
> >> >> > I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I
only
> >> > used
> >> >> > the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried to do the
> >> > folder
> >> >> > thing since the problem first started.
> >> >>
> >> >> The issue with Avast of icons disappearing, occurs regardless of
> > whether
> >> > you have
> >> >> selectedStandard or Thorough Scan, and regardless of whether
scanning
> >> > withing
> >> >> archives is selected.
> >> >>
> >> >> > I still get the problem even when I
> >> >> > am done playing solitaire which is furnished with the Windows
98se.
> >> >>
> >> >> That I don't understand, as it should not have anything to do with
> > Avast.
> >> >>
> >> >> > What I
> >> >> > want to know is will I continue having problem with the Avast!
even
> > if I
> >> >> > only use the Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut
down
> > the
> >> >> > computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan? It also
> > happened
> >> >> > before I do the scan. Right after I played the solitaire game. I
> > moved
> >> > the
> >> >> > mouse toward the bottom near the Quick Launch bar the icons
> > disappeared.
> >> >>
> >> >> Does the issue resolve itself when you restart? Do the icons
disappear
> > in
> >> > Windows
> >> >> Explorer and on the Start Menu also?
> >> >> --
> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast
> > on-demand
> >> >> > virus scanner
> >> >> >> and select Folders in the Areas To Scan section, the dialog opens
to
> >> >> > 'Select the
> >> >> >> areas'. Whether or not you select an area, or cancel, when you
> > close
> >> >> > Avast, the
> >> >> >> icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar,
and
> > so
> >> >> > forth as
> >> >> >> mentioned.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at
> > some
> >> >> > other time?
> >> >> >> Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the computer
three
> >> > times,
> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> without opening Avast afterwards, the issue with icons still
> > occurred?
> >> > Or
> >> >> > something
> >> >> >> else?
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > Hi Glee,
> >> >> >> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do
not
> >> > try
> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I did
not
> > try
> >> > to
> >> >> >> > scan the files. After I had shut down for the night and
restarted
> > the
> >> >> >> > computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times starting up the
> > computer
> >> >> > since
> >> >> >> > I tried to do the file thing.
> >> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will
> >> > happen
> >> >> >> > every time you
> >> >> >> >> open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel without
> >> > choosing
> >> >> >> > anything.
> >> >> >> >> You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the
> >> >> > shelliconcache
> >> >> >> > file, so
> >> >> >> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file
is
> >> >> > rebuilt.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in
both
> >> > Win98
> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > WinME,
> >> >> >> >> according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon cache
> > from
> >> >> > memory
> >> >> >> > as well
> >> >> >> >> as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking
it
> > up
> >> > to
> >> >> >> > "Win9x poor
> >> >> >> >> management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey.
> >> > Disabling
> >> >> >> > skins has no
> >> >> >> >> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to
scan
> >> >> > specific
> >> >> >> > folders,
> >> >> >> >> or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large
numbers,
> >> > till
> >> >> > they
> >> >> >> > heed the
> >> >> >> >> fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> HTH.
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> > Hi Glee,
> >> >> >> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it
> > came
> >> > up
> >> >> >> > with
> >> >> >> >> > the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing
and
> >> > closed
> >> >> > it.
> >> >> >> > But
> >> >> >> >> > I did that the other day and did not expect any after
effects
> > to
> >> >> > remain.
> >> >> >> >> > That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan
when
> > I
> >> >> > first
> >> >> >> >> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any
more
> >> >> > problems
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not
know
> > that
> >> >> > this
> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> >> > a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and
Standard
> >> > Shield
> >> >> >> > and no
> >> >> >> >> > skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
> >> >> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast
> >> > on-demand
> >> >> >> >> > scanner and
> >> >> >> >> >> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is
a
> >> >> > "known"
> >> >> >> > bug
> >> >> >> >> > in Avast
> >> >> >> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by
> > PCR
> >> > on
> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > issue, in
> >> >> >> >> >> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!",
posted
> > June
> >> >> > 29.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support
> > forums:
> >> >> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
> >> >> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
> >> >> >> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not
provided
> > a
> >> > lot
> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> > help with
> >> >> >> >> >> this issue.
> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done
> > playing
> >> >> >> >> > Solitaire, I
> >> >> >> >> >> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my
> > Icons
> >> >> >> >> > disappeared!!
> >> >> >> >> >> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
> >> >> >> >> >> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected
it.
> >> >> >> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

glee · Jul 15, 2007

OK. It may still be the unresolved issue with Avast, but your symptoms appear to be
a little different. I don't have much else to offer at this time. Keep track of
when it happens and what seems to affect it, as well as what you do to fix it each
time it occurs.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:unz1fZ0xHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi Glee,
> I went to the registry as it mentioned in the article and when I got
> down to the Policies\explorer, there was not that classic shell in it. So
> that does not apply.
> Angel
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:u47yHVwxHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> See if this applies:
>> Quick Launch Toolbar Icons Are Missing or Unavailable
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=273785
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> http://dts-l.org/
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> news:eqXNFuuxHHA.404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> > Hi Glee,
>> > The Icons come back when I restart either by cold start or the short
> cut
>> > restart, only to disappear again later when pass over the Quick Launch
> bar.
>> > The Icons did not disappear yesterday so maybe, just maybe that problem
> has
>> > resolved itself. Wishful thinking but computers do strange things. From
> now
>> > on I will be careful when using the Avast! Virus Scan until that *Bug*
>> > problem is resolved. I will keep watching the posts about it. I have
> seen
>> > many OSs since 1992 when I first started working with them. After I
> retired
>> > I took Classes at KSU on them. Thanks everyone for your input on this
>> > problem that PCR and I are having issues about.
>> > Thanks again,
>> > Angel
>> >
>> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> > news:umqRoZoxHHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> I know this doesn't seem like much of a distinction, but does it
> resolve
>> > when you do
>> >> a restart rather than a shutdown and cold start?
>> >>
>> >> How do you get the icons back, then? Or are they permanently gone now?
>> >> --
>> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:uDCo8pnxHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> > No Glee,
>> >> > It does not resolve when I shut down and cold start the computer.
>> > Yes,
>> >> > the Icons disappear in both the Start and the Quick launch bar. I do
> not
>> >> > know if the Icons disappear in Windows Explorer. I have not checked
>> > that.
>> >> > Angel
>> >> >
>> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:e$bWQTnxHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:OUil1fjxHHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > Yes Glee,
>> >> >> > I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I
> only
>> >> > used
>> >> >> > the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried to do the
>> >> > folder
>> >> >> > thing since the problem first started.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The issue with Avast of icons disappearing, occurs regardless of
>> > whether
>> >> > you have
>> >> >> selectedStandard or Thorough Scan, and regardless of whether
> scanning
>> >> > withing
>> >> >> archives is selected.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I still get the problem even when I
>> >> >> > am done playing solitaire which is furnished with the Windows
> 98se.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That I don't understand, as it should not have anything to do with
>> > Avast.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > What I
>> >> >> > want to know is will I continue having problem with the Avast!
> even
>> > if I
>> >> >> > only use the Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut
> down
>> > the
>> >> >> > computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan? It also
>> > happened
>> >> >> > before I do the scan. Right after I played the solitaire game. I
>> > moved
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > mouse toward the bottom near the Quick Launch bar the icons
>> > disappeared.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Does the issue resolve itself when you restart? Do the icons
> disappear
>> > in
>> >> > Windows
>> >> >> Explorer and on the Start Menu also?
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast
>> > on-demand
>> >> >> > virus scanner
>> >> >> >> and select Folders in the Areas To Scan section, the dialog opens
> to
>> >> >> > 'Select the
>> >> >> >> areas'. Whether or not you select an area, or cancel, when you
>> > close
>> >> >> > Avast, the
>> >> >> >> icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar,
> and
>> > so
>> >> >> > forth as
>> >> >> >> mentioned.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at
>> > some
>> >> >> > other time?
>> >> >> >> Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the computer
> three
>> >> > times,
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> without opening Avast afterwards, the issue with icons still
>> > occurred?
>> >> > Or
>> >> >> > something
>> >> >> >> else?
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> > Hi Glee,
>> >> >> >> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do
> not
>> >> > try
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I did
> not
>> > try
>> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > scan the files. After I had shut down for the night and
> restarted
>> > the
>> >> >> >> > computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times starting up the
>> > computer
>> >> >> > since
>> >> >> >> > I tried to do the file thing.
>> >> >> >> > Angel
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will
>> >> > happen
>> >> >> >> > every time you
>> >> >> >> >> open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel without
>> >> > choosing
>> >> >> >> > anything.
>> >> >> >> >> You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the
>> >> >> > shelliconcache
>> >> >> >> > file, so
>> >> >> >> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file
> is
>> >> >> > rebuilt.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in
> both
>> >> > Win98
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > WinME,
>> >> >> >> >> according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon cache
>> > from
>> >> >> > memory
>> >> >> >> > as well
>> >> >> >> >> as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking
> it
>> > up
>> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > "Win9x poor
>> >> >> >> >> management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey.
>> >> > Disabling
>> >> >> >> > skins has no
>> >> >> >> >> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to
> scan
>> >> >> > specific
>> >> >> >> > folders,
>> >> >> >> >> or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large
> numbers,
>> >> > till
>> >> >> > they
>> >> >> >> > heed the
>> >> >> >> >> fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> HTH.
>> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> >> > Hi Glee,
>> >> >> >> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it
>> > came
>> >> > up
>> >> >> >> > with
>> >> >> >> >> > the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing
> and
>> >> > closed
>> >> >> > it.
>> >> >> >> > But
>> >> >> >> >> > I did that the other day and did not expect any after
> effects
>> > to
>> >> >> > remain.
>> >> >> >> >> > That is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan
> when
>> > I
>> >> >> > first
>> >> >> >> >> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any
> more
>> >> >> > problems
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not
> know
>> > that
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> >> > was
>> >> >> >> >> > a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and
> Standard
>> >> > Shield
>> >> >> >> > and no
>> >> >> >> >> > skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
>> >> >> >> >> > Angel
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast
>> >> > on-demand
>> >> >> >> >> > scanner and
>> >> >> >> >> >> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This is
> a
>> >> >> > "known"
>> >> >> >> > bug
>> >> >> >> >> > in Avast
>> >> >> >> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by
>> > PCR
>> >> > on
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> > issue, in
>> >> >> >> >> >> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!",
> posted
>> > June
>> >> >> > 29.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support
>> > forums:
>> >> >> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
>> >> >> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
>> >> >> >> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not
> provided
>> > a
>> >> > lot
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> >> > help with
>> >> >> >> >> >> this issue.
>> >> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi,
>> >> >> >> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done
>> > playing
>> >> >> >> >> > Solitaire, I
>> >> >> >> >> >> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all my
>> > Icons
>> >> >> >> >> > disappeared!!
>> >> >> >> >> >> > I then went to the start button and all icons are gone!
>> >> >> >> >> >> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never expected
> it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Angel
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Angel · Jul 15, 2007

Ok Glee,
Thanks
Angel

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:uKJhKu0xHHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> OK. It may still be the unresolved issue with Avast, but your symptoms
appear to be
> a little different. I don't have much else to offer at this time. Keep
track of
> when it happens and what seems to affect it, as well as what you do to fix
it each
> time it occurs.
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> news:unz1fZ0xHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Glee,
> > I went to the registry as it mentioned in the article and when I got
> > down to the Policies\explorer, there was not that classic shell in it.
So
> > that does not apply.
> > Angel
> >
> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:u47yHVwxHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> See if this applies:
> >> Quick Launch Toolbar Icons Are Missing or Unavailable
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=273785
> >> --
> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> news:eqXNFuuxHHA.404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> > Hi Glee,
> >> > The Icons come back when I restart either by cold start or the
short
> > cut
> >> > restart, only to disappear again later when pass over the Quick
Launch
> > bar.
> >> > The Icons did not disappear yesterday so maybe, just maybe that
problem
> > has
> >> > resolved itself. Wishful thinking but computers do strange things.
From
> > now
> >> > on I will be careful when using the Avast! Virus Scan until that
*Bug*
> >> > problem is resolved. I will keep watching the posts about it. I have
> > seen
> >> > many OSs since 1992 when I first started working with them. After I
> > retired
> >> > I took Classes at KSU on them. Thanks everyone for your input on this
> >> > problem that PCR and I are having issues about.
> >> > Thanks again,
> >> > Angel
> >> >
> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:umqRoZoxHHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> I know this doesn't seem like much of a distinction, but does it
> > resolve
> >> > when you do
> >> >> a restart rather than a shutdown and cold start?
> >> >>
> >> >> How do you get the icons back, then? Or are they permanently gone
now?
> >> >> --
> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:uDCo8pnxHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > No Glee,
> >> >> > It does not resolve when I shut down and cold start the
computer.
> >> > Yes,
> >> >> > the Icons disappear in both the Start and the Quick launch bar. I
do
> > not
> >> >> > know if the Icons disappear in Windows Explorer. I have not
checked
> >> > that.
> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:e$bWQTnxHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:OUil1fjxHHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > Yes Glee,
> >> >> >> > I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and
I
> > only
> >> >> > used
> >> >> >> > the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried to do
the
> >> >> > folder
> >> >> >> > thing since the problem first started.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The issue with Avast of icons disappearing, occurs regardless of
> >> > whether
> >> >> > you have
> >> >> >> selectedStandard or Thorough Scan, and regardless of whether
> > scanning
> >> >> > withing
> >> >> >> archives is selected.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I still get the problem even when I
> >> >> >> > am done playing solitaire which is furnished with the Windows
> > 98se.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That I don't understand, as it should not have anything to do
with
> >> > Avast.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > What I
> >> >> >> > want to know is will I continue having problem with the Avast!
> > even
> >> > if I
> >> >> >> > only use the Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut
> > down
> >> > the
> >> >> >> > computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan? It also
> >> > happened
> >> >> >> > before I do the scan. Right after I played the solitaire game.
I
> >> > moved
> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > mouse toward the bottom near the Quick Launch bar the icons
> >> > disappeared.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Does the issue resolve itself when you restart? Do the icons
> > disappear
> >> > in
> >> >> > Windows
> >> >> >> Explorer and on the Start Menu also?
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast
> >> > on-demand
> >> >> >> > virus scanner
> >> >> >> >> and select Folders in the Areas To Scan section, the dialog
opens
> > to
> >> >> >> > 'Select the
> >> >> >> >> areas'. Whether or not you select an area, or cancel, when
you
> >> > close
> >> >> >> > Avast, the
> >> >> >> >> icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch
bar,
> > and
> >> > so
> >> >> >> > forth as
> >> >> >> >> mentioned.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it
at
> >> > some
> >> >> >> > other time?
> >> >> >> >> Are you stating that you shut down or restarted the computer
> > three
> >> >> > times,
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> without opening Avast afterwards, the issue with icons still
> >> > occurred?
> >> >> > Or
> >> >> >> > something
> >> >> >> >> else?
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> > Hi Glee,
> >> >> >> >> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I
do
> > not
> >> >> > try
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time that I
did
> > not
> >> > try
> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > scan the files. After I had shut down for the night and
> > restarted
> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > computer the next day. Which equaled 3 times starting up the
> >> > computer
> >> >> >> > since
> >> >> >> >> > I tried to do the file thing.
> >> >> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It
will
> >> >> > happen
> >> >> >> >> > every time you
> >> >> >> >> >> open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even if you cancel
without
> >> >> > choosing
> >> >> >> >> > anything.
> >> >> >> >> >> You have to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the
> >> >> >> > shelliconcache
> >> >> >> >> > file, so
> >> >> >> >> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the
file
> > is
> >> >> >> > rebuilt.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in
> > both
> >> >> > Win98
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > WinME,
> >> >> >> >> >> according to forum reports. It appears to erase the icon
cache
> >> > from
> >> >> >> > memory
> >> >> >> >> > as well
> >> >> >> >> >> as deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep
chalking
> > it
> >> > up
> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > "Win9x poor
> >> >> >> >> >> management of resources", which sounds a bunch of malarkey.
> >> >> > Disabling
> >> >> >> >> > skins has no
> >> >> >> >> >> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to
> > scan
> >> >> >> > specific
> >> >> >> >> > folders,
> >> >> >> >> >> or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in large
> > numbers,
> >> >> > till
> >> >> >> > they
> >> >> >> >> > heed the
> >> >> >> >> >> fact that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> HTH.
> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Glee,
> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After
it
> >> > came
> >> >> > up
> >> >> >> >> > with
> >> >> >> >> >> > the Archives could not be scanned, I did the folder thing
> > and
> >> >> > closed
> >> >> >> > it.
> >> >> >> >> > But
> >> >> >> >> >> > I did that the other day and did not expect any after
> > effects
> >> > to
> >> >> >> > remain.
> >> >> >> >> >> > That is what I am questioning. I also did the through
Scan
> > when
> >> > I
> >> >> >> > first
> >> >> >> >> >> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have
any
> > more
> >> >> >> > problems
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not
> > know
> >> > that
> >> >> >> > this
> >> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> >> >> > a bug to worry about. I only have the Web Shield and
> > Standard
> >> >> > Shield
> >> >> >> >> > and no
> >> >> >> >> >> > skins. I never had skins running. Any solution?
> >> >> >> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open
Avast
> >> >> > on-demand
> >> >> >> >> >> > scanner and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> open the dialog box for selecting folders to scan? This
is
> > a
> >> >> >> > "known"
> >> >> >> >> > bug
> >> >> >> >> >> > in Avast
> >> >> >> >> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread
by
> >> > PCR
> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> > issue, in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> this group....Subject: "Avast! loses program icons!",
> > posted
> >> > June
> >> >> >> > 29.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast
support
> >> > forums:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like
this:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
> >> >> >> >> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not
> > provided
> >> > a
> >> >> > lot
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> > help with
> >> >> >> >> >> >> this issue.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done
> >> > playing
> >> >> >> >> >> > Solitaire, I
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > just went past the Icons in bottom left side and all
my
> >> > Icons
> >> >> >> >> >> > disappeared!!
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I then went to the start button and all icons are
gone!
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > What is causing this? It was a surprise, never
expected
> > it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Angel
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

Angel · Jul 17, 2007

PCR,
You mentioned the friend greeting thing. I never opened a friend greeting
thing at all. I do not open those things. So it cannot be that. I think that
the trying to do the scan folders did it. Right now I have no problem with
the disappearing icons. I did the repeated complete shut downs and changing
folder size fixed it.
Angel

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:uwLLyixxHHA.1776@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Angel wrote:
> | Yes PCR, I did shut down completely each time.
>
> I still matters HOW you shut down. Did you use the START menu or one of
> those various contrived shortcuts? It's best to use the menu. Shortcuts
> don't allow the ShellIconCache to get rebuilt. Also, maybe check this
> out...
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KBEN-USq130234
> Save Settings On Exit Option Enabled by Default
> ...Quote.............
> ...snip...
> Setting the NoSaveSettings field to 1 prevents your settings from being
> saved. When you set this value, the following items are not saved when
> you exit Windows:
>
> Changed icon positions on the desktop.
> Windows that are open when you exit.
> The size and position of the taskbar.
> ...End quote.......
>
> However, in my Win98SE, Desktop Icons appear to be unaffected by
> NoSaveSettings. Anyhow, try this...
>
> "START button, Run, RegEdit", & navigate to...
>
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Exp
> lorer
>
> That is,
> (a) Click plus signs, beginning left of "HKEY_CURRENT_USER",
> & ending left of "Policies".
> (b) Click "Explorer" in the left pane, & look in the right pane.
> (c) R-Clk "NoSaveSettings", if there, in the R-pane, & select "Modify".
> (d) Change it to all zeros... 00 00 00 00.
> Right-Arrow to left of "01", use delete key, type "00".
> (If in DWORD format, just make it a zero.)
> (e) Exit, & it may be necessary to reboot.
>
> Also, report everything you see there, except for CDRAutoRun &
> NoDriveTypeAutoRun.
>
> | I DID NOT use the
> | restart, Glee called it, the shortcut. Some of the time the computer
> | was shut down overnight. I still had the disappearing icons. That is
> | why I posted the question.
>
> Well, I see glee has an article for you. You may actually be
> experiencing a different "disappearing icon" phenomenon than the one
> glee & I think.
>
> Actually, no icon should disappear, EXCEPT the little ones to the left
> of folder & program names seen... in Explorer (left & right panes), in
> file selection dialog boxes, & in the START menu past the first layer.
> (The 1st layer is fine!) Other icons will change to the "flying windows"
> icon-- notably in the Control Panel. BUT I haven't seen icons disappear
> from the Desktop or even change. Also, they don't disappear (or even
> change) from the Tray, QuickLaunch bar, or the Taskbar. And I've just
> tried it again to see!
>
> There was something else that did cause icons to disappear from the
> Taskbar. It was the "Friend Greeting" thing...
>
> http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99760
> .....Quote........
> Use the ADD/REMOVE Programs Control Panel in Windows to remove the
> Friend Greetings application, as well as the WinSrv Reg application.
> This will uninstall this program.
> .....EOQ...........
>
> But best go read the whole article.
>
> | Angel
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:ewr6EolxHHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |> Angel wrote:
> |> | Yes Glee,
> |> | I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and I
> |> | only used the standard one without Archives scan. I have not tried
> |> | to do the folder thing since the problem first started. I still
> |> | get the problem even when I am done playing solitaire which is
> |> | furnished with the Windows 98se. What I want to know is will I
> |> | continue having problem with the Avast! even if I only use the
> |> | Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut down the
> |> | computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan? It also
> |> | happened before I do the scan. Right after I played the solitaire
> |> | game. I moved the mouse toward the bottom near the Quick Launch
> |> | bar the icons disappeared. Angel
> |>
> |> The problem GOES AWAY with a reboot. It won't come back, UNTIL you
> |> use the Folder Selection button (or any Browse button in avast!)
> |> again. (It's possible to scan selected folders or drives by R-Clkng
> |> them in Explorer, instead of using the main avast! interface. And
> |> you really don't need to use avast!'s Browse buttons much.)
> |>
> |> Are you using a shortcut to reboot? Better reboot this way, if you
> |> want to regenerate icons...
> |>
> |> "START button, Shut Down, Reboot"
> |>
> |> Here's the full story as glee & cquirke tell it, but usually you
> |> don't need to do all this...
> |>
> |> (1) "Control Panel, Display, Appearance tab".
> |> (2) Select "Icon" in the Item dropdown menu.
> |> (3) Change the Icon size by one pixel, & Apply.
> |> (4) Change it back to original size, & Apply.
> |> (5) "START button, Shut Down, Restart".
> |> (Do not use a shortcut to Restart.)
> |>
> |> Now, you should have a new ShellIconCache with one reboot & never
> |> needing to delete it or to enter Safe Mode.
> |>
> |> If you don't have your icons back after that, it must be something
> |> else at fault.
> |>
> |> | "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> |> | news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> |> |> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast
> |> |> on-demand virus scanner and select Folders in the Areas To Scan
> |> |> section, the dialog opens to 'Select the areas'. Whether or not
> |> |> you select an area, or cancel, when you close Avast, the icons
> |> |> will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch bar, and so
> |> |> forth as mentioned.
> |> |>
> |> |> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it at
> |> |> some other time? Are you stating that you shut down or restarted
> |> |> the computer three times, and without opening Avast afterwards,
> |> |> the issue with icons still occurred? Or something else?
> |> |> --
> |> |> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> |> |> http://dts-l.org/
> |> |> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> |> |>
> |> |>
> |> |> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> |> |> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |> |> > Hi Glee,
> |> |> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I do
> |> |> > not try to scan the files in Avast! It happened even the time
> |> |> > that I did not try to scan the files. After I had shut down for
> |> |> > the night and restarted the computer the next day. Which
> |> |> > equaled 3 times starting up the computer since I tried to do
> |> |> > the file thing. Angel
> |> |> >
> |> |> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> |> |> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |> |> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It will
> |> |> >> happen every time you open the "Open Folder" dialog box, even
> |> |> >> if you cancel without choosing anything. You have to reboot to
> |> |> >> restore the icons, and it deletes the shelliconcache file, so
> |> |> >> upon reboot the desktop icons will redraw, and then the file is
> |> |> >> rebuilt.
> |> |> >>
> |> |> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in both
> |> |> >> Win98 and WinME, according to forum reports. It appears to
> |> |> >> erase the icon cache from memory as well as deleting the
> |> |> >> shelliconcache file physically.
> |> |> >>
> |> |> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep chalking it
> |> |> >> up to "Win9x poor management of resources", which sounds a
> |> |> >> bunch of malarkey. Disabling skins has no effect....I see no
> |> |> >> solution except to not use the option to scan specific
> |> |> >> folders, or to complain to Avast Support repeatedly and in
> |> |> >> large numbers, till they heed the fact that the problem
> |> |> >> exists, and correct it if possible.
> |> |> >>
> |> |> >> HTH.
> |> |> >> --
> |> |> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> |> |> >> http://dts-l.org/
> |> |> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> |> |> >>
> |> |> >>
> |> |> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> |> |> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> |> |> >> > Hi Glee,
> |> |> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After it
> |> |> >> > came up with the Archives could not be scanned, I did the
> |> |> >> > folder thing and closed it. But I did that the other day and
> |> |> >> > did not expect any after effects to remain. That is what I am
> |> |> >> > questioning. I also did the through Scan when I first
> |> |> >> > installed Avast! but not the folder thing. Will I have any
> |> |> >> > more problems
> |> |> >
> |> |> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not know
> |> |> >> > that this was a bug to worry about. I only have the Web
> |> |> >> > Shield and Standard Shield and no skins. I never had skins
> |> |> >> > running. Any solution? Angel
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> |> |> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> |> |> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open Avast
> |> |> >> >> on-demand scanner and open the dialog box for selecting
> |> |> >> >> folders to scan? This is a
> |> | "known"
> |> |> > bug
> |> |> >> > in Avast
> |> |> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread by
> |> |> >> >> PCR on the issue, in this group....Subject: "Avast! loses
> |> |> >> >> program icons!", posted June 29.
> |> |> >> >>
> |> |> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support
> |> |> >> >> forums: http://forum.avast.com/
> |> |> >> >>
> |> |> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
> |> |> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
> |> |> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not
> |> |> >> >> provided a lot of help with this issue.
> |> |> >> >> --
> |> |> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> |> |> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
> |> |> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> |> |> >> >>
> |> |> >> >>
> |> |> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> |> |> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> |> |> >> >> > Hi,
> |> |> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done
> |> |> >> >> > playing Solitaire, I just went past the Icons in bottom
> |> |> >> >> > left side and all my Icons disappeared!! I then went to
> |> |> >> >> > the start button and all icons are gone! What is causing
> |> |> >> >> > this? It was a surprise, never expected it. Angel
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

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