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Angel wrote:
| PCR,
| You mentioned the friend greeting thing. I never opened a friend
| greeting thing at all. I do not open those things. So it cannot be
| that. I think that the trying to do the scan folders did it. Right
| now I have no problem with the disappearing icons. I did the repeated
| complete shut downs and changing folder size fixed it.
| Angel
All right. Very good. Keep us informed, if it happens again. It's easy
enough to avoid the avast! screens that cause it, until the day avast!
should choose to fix it. Or, use them just before a shutdown. But don't
use a shortcut to shut down. It's just an annoyance, is all I can see.
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uwLLyixxHHA.1776@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> Angel wrote:
|> | Yes PCR, I did shut down completely each time.
|>
|> I still matters HOW you shut down. Did you use the START menu or one
|> of those various contrived shortcuts? It's best to use the menu.
|> Shortcuts don't allow the ShellIconCache to get rebuilt. Also, maybe
|> check this out...
|>
|> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KBEN-USq130234
|> Save Settings On Exit Option Enabled by Default
|> ...Quote.............
|> ...snip...
|> Setting the NoSaveSettings field to 1 prevents your settings from
|> being saved. When you set this value, the following items are not
|> saved when you exit Windows:
|>
|> Changed icon positions on the desktop.
|> Windows that are open when you exit.
|> The size and position of the taskbar.
|> ...End quote.......
|>
|> However, in my Win98SE, Desktop Icons appear to be unaffected by
|> NoSaveSettings. Anyhow, try this...
|>
|> "START button, Run, RegEdit", & navigate to...
|>
|>
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Exp
|> lorer
|>
|> That is,
|> (a) Click plus signs, beginning left of "HKEY_CURRENT_USER",
|> & ending left of "Policies".
|> (b) Click "Explorer" in the left pane, & look in the right pane.
|> (c) R-Clk "NoSaveSettings", if there, in the R-pane, & select
|> "Modify". (d) Change it to all zeros... 00 00 00 00.
|> Right-Arrow to left of "01", use delete key, type "00".
|> (If in DWORD format, just make it a zero.)
|> (e) Exit, & it may be necessary to reboot.
|>
|> Also, report everything you see there, except for CDRAutoRun &
|> NoDriveTypeAutoRun.
|>
|> | I DID NOT use the
|> | restart, Glee called it, the shortcut. Some of the time the
|> | computer was shut down overnight. I still had the disappearing
|> | icons. That is why I posted the question.
|>
|> Well, I see glee has an article for you. You may actually be
|> experiencing a different "disappearing icon" phenomenon than the one
|> glee & I think.
|>
|> Actually, no icon should disappear, EXCEPT the little ones to the
|> left of folder & program names seen... in Explorer (left & right
|> panes), in file selection dialog boxes, & in the START menu past the
|> first layer. (The 1st layer is fine!) Other icons will change to the
|> "flying windows" icon-- notably in the Control Panel. BUT I haven't
|> seen icons disappear from the Desktop or even change. Also, they
|> don't disappear (or even change) from the Tray, QuickLaunch bar, or
|> the Taskbar. And I've just tried it again to see!
|>
|> There was something else that did cause icons to disappear from the
|> Taskbar. It was the "Friend Greeting" thing...
|>
|> http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99760
|> .....Quote........
|> Use the ADD/REMOVE Programs Control Panel in Windows to remove the
|> Friend Greetings application, as well as the WinSrv Reg application.
|> This will uninstall this program.
|> .....EOQ...........
|>
|> But best go read the whole article.
|>
|> | Angel
|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:ewr6EolxHHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> Angel wrote:
|> |> | Yes Glee,
|> |> | I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and
|> |> | I only used the standard one without Archives scan. I have not
|> |> | tried to do the folder thing since the problem first started. I
|> |> | still get the problem even when I am done playing solitaire
|> |> | which is furnished with the Windows 98se. What I want to know
|> |> | is will I continue having problem with the Avast! even if I
|> |> | only use the Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut
|> |> | down the computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan?
|> |> | It also happened before I do the scan. Right after I played the
|> |> | solitaire game. I moved the mouse toward the bottom near the
|> |> | Quick Launch bar the icons disappeared. Angel
|> |>
|> |> The problem GOES AWAY with a reboot. It won't come back, UNTIL you
|> |> use the Folder Selection button (or any Browse button in avast!)
|> |> again. (It's possible to scan selected folders or drives by
|> |> R-Clkng them in Explorer, instead of using the main avast!
|> |> interface. And you really don't need to use avast!'s Browse
|> |> buttons much.)
|> |>
|> |> Are you using a shortcut to reboot? Better reboot this way, if you
|> |> want to regenerate icons...
|> |>
|> |> "START button, Shut Down, Reboot"
|> |>
|> |> Here's the full story as glee & cquirke tell it, but usually you
|> |> don't need to do all this...
|> |>
|> |> (1) "Control Panel, Display, Appearance tab".
|> |> (2) Select "Icon" in the Item dropdown menu.
|> |> (3) Change the Icon size by one pixel, & Apply.
|> |> (4) Change it back to original size, & Apply.
|> |> (5) "START button, Shut Down, Restart".
|> |> (Do not use a shortcut to Restart.)
|> |>
|> |> Now, you should have a new ShellIconCache with one reboot & never
|> |> needing to delete it or to enter Safe Mode.
|> |>
|> |> If you don't have your icons back after that, it must be something
|> |> else at fault.
|> |>
|> |> | "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
|> |> | news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast
|> |> |> on-demand virus scanner and select Folders in the Areas To Scan
|> |> |> section, the dialog opens to 'Select the areas'. Whether or
|> |> |> not you select an area, or cancel, when you close Avast, the
|> |> |> icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch
|> |> |> bar, and so forth as mentioned.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it
|> |> |> at some other time? Are you stating that you shut down or
|> |> |> restarted the computer three times, and without opening Avast
|> |> |> afterwards, the issue with icons still occurred? Or something
|> |> |> else? --
|> |> |> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> |> |> http://dts-l.org/
|> |> |> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |> |> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
|> |> |> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> > Hi Glee,
|> |> |> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I
|> |> |> > do not try to scan the files in Avast! It happened even the
|> |> |> > time that I did not try to scan the files. After I had shut
|> |> |> > down for the night and restarted the computer the next day.
|> |> |> > Which equaled 3 times starting up the computer since I tried
|> |> |> > to do the file thing. Angel
|> |> |> >
|> |> |> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
|> |> |> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It
|> |> |> >> will happen every time you open the "Open Folder" dialog
|> |> |> >> box, even if you cancel without choosing anything. You have
|> |> |> >> to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the
|> |> |> >> shelliconcache file, so upon reboot the desktop icons will
|> |> |> >> redraw, and then the file is rebuilt.
|> |> |> >>
|> |> |> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in
|> |> |> >> both Win98 and WinME, according to forum reports. It
|> |> |> >> appears to erase the icon cache from memory as well as
|> |> |> >> deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
|> |> |> >>
|> |> |> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep
|> |> |> >> chalking it up to "Win9x poor management of resources",
|> |> |> >> which sounds a bunch of malarkey. Disabling skins has no
|> |> |> >> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to
|> |> |> >> scan specific folders, or to complain to Avast Support
|> |> |> >> repeatedly and in large numbers, till they heed the fact
|> |> |> >> that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
|> |> |> >>
|> |> |> >> HTH.
|> |> |> >> --
|> |> |> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> |> |> >> http://dts-l.org/
|> |> |> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> |> |> >>
|> |> |> >>
|> |> |> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
|> |> |> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> >> > Hi Glee,
|> |> |> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After
|> |> |> >> > it came up with the Archives could not be scanned, I did
|> |> |> >> > the folder thing and closed it. But I did that the other
|> |> |> >> > day and did not expect any after effects to remain. That
|> |> |> >> > is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan
|> |> |> >> > when I first installed Avast! but not the folder thing.
|> |> |> >> > Will I have any more problems
|> |> |> >
|> |> |> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not
|> |> |> >> > know that this was a bug to worry about. I only have the
|> |> |> >> > Web Shield and Standard Shield and no skins. I never had
|> |> |> >> > skins running. Any solution? Angel
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
|> |> |> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open
|> |> |> >> >> Avast on-demand scanner and open the dialog box for
|> |> |> >> >> selecting folders to scan? This is a
|> |> | "known"
|> |> |> > bug
|> |> |> >> > in Avast
|> |> |> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread
|> |> |> >> >> by PCR on the issue, in this group....Subject: "Avast!
|> |> |> >> >> loses program icons!", posted June 29.
|> |> |> >> >>
|> |> |> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support
|> |> |> >> >> forums: http://forum.avast.com/
|> |> |> >> >>
|> |> |> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
|> |> |> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
|> |> |> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not
|> |> |> >> >> provided a lot of help with this issue.
|> |> |> >> >> --
|> |> |> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> |> |> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
|> |> |> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> |> |> >> >>
|> |> |> >> >>
|> |> |> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
|> |> |> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> >> >> > Hi,
|> |> |> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done
|> |> |> >> >> > playing Solitaire, I just went past the Icons in bottom
|> |> |> >> >> > left side and all my Icons disappeared!! I then went to
|> |> |> >> >> > the start button and all icons are gone! What is
|> |> |> >> >> > causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
|> |> |> >> >> > Angel
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
| PCR,
| You mentioned the friend greeting thing. I never opened a friend
| greeting thing at all. I do not open those things. So it cannot be
| that. I think that the trying to do the scan folders did it. Right
| now I have no problem with the disappearing icons. I did the repeated
| complete shut downs and changing folder size fixed it.
| Angel
All right. Very good. Keep us informed, if it happens again. It's easy
enough to avoid the avast! screens that cause it, until the day avast!
should choose to fix it. Or, use them just before a shutdown. But don't
use a shortcut to shut down. It's just an annoyance, is all I can see.
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uwLLyixxHHA.1776@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> Angel wrote:
|> | Yes PCR, I did shut down completely each time.
|>
|> I still matters HOW you shut down. Did you use the START menu or one
|> of those various contrived shortcuts? It's best to use the menu.
|> Shortcuts don't allow the ShellIconCache to get rebuilt. Also, maybe
|> check this out...
|>
|> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KBEN-USq130234
|> Save Settings On Exit Option Enabled by Default
|> ...Quote.............
|> ...snip...
|> Setting the NoSaveSettings field to 1 prevents your settings from
|> being saved. When you set this value, the following items are not
|> saved when you exit Windows:
|>
|> Changed icon positions on the desktop.
|> Windows that are open when you exit.
|> The size and position of the taskbar.
|> ...End quote.......
|>
|> However, in my Win98SE, Desktop Icons appear to be unaffected by
|> NoSaveSettings. Anyhow, try this...
|>
|> "START button, Run, RegEdit", & navigate to...
|>
|>
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Exp
|> lorer
|>
|> That is,
|> (a) Click plus signs, beginning left of "HKEY_CURRENT_USER",
|> & ending left of "Policies".
|> (b) Click "Explorer" in the left pane, & look in the right pane.
|> (c) R-Clk "NoSaveSettings", if there, in the R-pane, & select
|> "Modify". (d) Change it to all zeros... 00 00 00 00.
|> Right-Arrow to left of "01", use delete key, type "00".
|> (If in DWORD format, just make it a zero.)
|> (e) Exit, & it may be necessary to reboot.
|>
|> Also, report everything you see there, except for CDRAutoRun &
|> NoDriveTypeAutoRun.
|>
|> | I DID NOT use the
|> | restart, Glee called it, the shortcut. Some of the time the
|> | computer was shut down overnight. I still had the disappearing
|> | icons. That is why I posted the question.
|>
|> Well, I see glee has an article for you. You may actually be
|> experiencing a different "disappearing icon" phenomenon than the one
|> glee & I think.
|>
|> Actually, no icon should disappear, EXCEPT the little ones to the
|> left of folder & program names seen... in Explorer (left & right
|> panes), in file selection dialog boxes, & in the START menu past the
|> first layer. (The 1st layer is fine!) Other icons will change to the
|> "flying windows" icon-- notably in the Control Panel. BUT I haven't
|> seen icons disappear from the Desktop or even change. Also, they
|> don't disappear (or even change) from the Tray, QuickLaunch bar, or
|> the Taskbar. And I've just tried it again to see!
|>
|> There was something else that did cause icons to disappear from the
|> Taskbar. It was the "Friend Greeting" thing...
|>
|> http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99760
|> .....Quote........
|> Use the ADD/REMOVE Programs Control Panel in Windows to remove the
|> Friend Greetings application, as well as the WinSrv Reg application.
|> This will uninstall this program.
|> .....EOQ...........
|>
|> But best go read the whole article.
|>
|> | Angel
|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:ewr6EolxHHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> Angel wrote:
|> |> | Yes Glee,
|> |> | I get the same thing even if I do not do a through scan and
|> |> | I only used the standard one without Archives scan. I have not
|> |> | tried to do the folder thing since the problem first started. I
|> |> | still get the problem even when I am done playing solitaire
|> |> | which is furnished with the Windows 98se. What I want to know
|> |> | is will I continue having problem with the Avast! even if I
|> |> | only use the Standard Scan? I usually do the scan before I shut
|> |> | down the computer. Will I have to stop this habit and not scan?
|> |> | It also happened before I do the scan. Right after I played the
|> |> | solitaire game. I moved the mouse toward the bottom near the
|> |> | Quick Launch bar the icons disappeared. Angel
|> |>
|> |> The problem GOES AWAY with a reboot. It won't come back, UNTIL you
|> |> use the Folder Selection button (or any Browse button in avast!)
|> |> again. (It's possible to scan selected folders or drives by
|> |> R-Clkng them in Explorer, instead of using the main avast!
|> |> interface. And you really don't need to use avast!'s Browse
|> |> buttons much.)
|> |>
|> |> Are you using a shortcut to reboot? Better reboot this way, if you
|> |> want to regenerate icons...
|> |>
|> |> "START button, Shut Down, Reboot"
|> |>
|> |> Here's the full story as glee & cquirke tell it, but usually you
|> |> don't need to do all this...
|> |>
|> |> (1) "Control Panel, Display, Appearance tab".
|> |> (2) Select "Icon" in the Item dropdown menu.
|> |> (3) Change the Icon size by one pixel, & Apply.
|> |> (4) Change it back to original size, & Apply.
|> |> (5) "START button, Shut Down, Restart".
|> |> (Do not use a shortcut to Restart.)
|> |>
|> |> Now, you should have a new ShellIconCache with one reboot & never
|> |> needing to delete it or to enter Safe Mode.
|> |>
|> |> If you don't have your icons back after that, it must be something
|> |> else at fault.
|> |>
|> |> | "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
|> |> | news:eeQGGFbxHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> I'm not clear on what you are asking. If you open the Avast
|> |> |> on-demand virus scanner and select Folders in the Areas To Scan
|> |> |> section, the dialog opens to 'Select the areas'. Whether or
|> |> |> not you select an area, or cancel, when you close Avast, the
|> |> |> icons will disappear from the Start Menu, the Quick Launch
|> |> |> bar, and so forth as mentioned.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Is this when you are seeing the problem, or are you seeing it
|> |> |> at some other time? Are you stating that you shut down or
|> |> |> restarted the computer three times, and without opening Avast
|> |> |> afterwards, the issue with icons still occurred? Or something
|> |> |> else? --
|> |> |> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> |> |> http://dts-l.org/
|> |> |> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |> |> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
|> |> |> news:ujmbjIYxHHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> > Hi Glee,
|> |> |> > I was wondering if the thing will keep doing it even if I
|> |> |> > do not try to scan the files in Avast! It happened even the
|> |> |> > time that I did not try to scan the files. After I had shut
|> |> |> > down for the night and restarted the computer the next day.
|> |> |> > Which equaled 3 times starting up the computer since I tried
|> |> |> > to do the file thing. Angel
|> |> |> >
|> |> |> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
|> |> |> > news:uvkNe0XxHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> >> Avast has not addressed the issue that I am aware of. It
|> |> |> >> will happen every time you open the "Open Folder" dialog
|> |> |> >> box, even if you cancel without choosing anything. You have
|> |> |> >> to reboot to restore the icons, and it deletes the
|> |> |> >> shelliconcache file, so upon reboot the desktop icons will
|> |> |> >> redraw, and then the file is rebuilt.
|> |> |> >>
|> |> |> >> It appeared in version 4.7 of Avast, AFAIK. It happens in
|> |> |> >> both Win98 and WinME, according to forum reports. It
|> |> |> >> appears to erase the icon cache from memory as well as
|> |> |> >> deleting the shelliconcache file physically.
|> |> |> >>
|> |> |> >> The Avast "evangelists" on their support forum keep
|> |> |> >> chalking it up to "Win9x poor management of resources",
|> |> |> >> which sounds a bunch of malarkey. Disabling skins has no
|> |> |> >> effect....I see no solution except to not use the option to
|> |> |> >> scan specific folders, or to complain to Avast Support
|> |> |> >> repeatedly and in large numbers, till they heed the fact
|> |> |> >> that the problem exists, and correct it if possible.
|> |> |> >>
|> |> |> >> HTH.
|> |> |> >> --
|> |> |> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> |> |> >> http://dts-l.org/
|> |> |> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> |> |> >>
|> |> |> >>
|> |> |> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
|> |> |> >> news:Oc02hRXxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> >> > Hi Glee,
|> |> |> >> > Yes, I did the checked Archives and through scan. After
|> |> |> >> > it came up with the Archives could not be scanned, I did
|> |> |> >> > the folder thing and closed it. But I did that the other
|> |> |> >> > day and did not expect any after effects to remain. That
|> |> |> >> > is what I am questioning. I also did the through Scan
|> |> |> >> > when I first installed Avast! but not the folder thing.
|> |> |> >> > Will I have any more problems
|> |> |> >
|> |> |> >> > with it? Or is this a one or two time problem? I did not
|> |> |> >> > know that this was a bug to worry about. I only have the
|> |> |> >> > Web Shield and Standard Shield and no skins. I never had
|> |> |> >> > skins running. Any solution? Angel
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
|> |> |> >> > news:eCaLoePxHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> >> >> Did you do a virus scan with Avast, or at least open
|> |> |> >> >> Avast on-demand scanner and open the dialog box for
|> |> |> >> >> selecting folders to scan? This is a
|> |> | "known"
|> |> |> > bug
|> |> |> >> > in Avast
|> |> |> >> >> on Win98 and AFAIK also on WinME. See the recent thread
|> |> |> >> >> by PCR on the issue, in this group....Subject: "Avast!
|> |> |> >> >> loses program icons!", posted June 29.
|> |> |> >> >>
|> |> |> >> >> You will also find some info on this in the Avast support
|> |> |> >> >> forums: http://forum.avast.com/
|> |> |> >> >>
|> |> |> >> >> Search the forums and you will find some posts like this:
|> |> |> >> >> http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=23914.0
|> |> |> >> >> although the Avast evangelists on the forums have not
|> |> |> >> >> provided a lot of help with this issue.
|> |> |> >> >> --
|> |> |> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> |> |> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
|> |> |> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> |> |> >> >>
|> |> |> >> >>
|> |> |> >> >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
|> |> |> >> >> news:OSskx$NxHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> >> >> > Hi,
|> |> |> >> >> > I just got done working on line and after I got done
|> |> |> >> >> > playing Solitaire, I just went past the Icons in bottom
|> |> |> >> >> > left side and all my Icons disappeared!! I then went to
|> |> |> >> >> > the start button and all icons are gone! What is
|> |> |> >> >> > causing this? It was a surprise, never expected it.
|> |> |> >> >> > Angel
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net