UPPERCASE always from other units

[a]

hallo

I have two (or to better say more) harddisk

on one of them I have w98
on another I have wxp sp2

when I boot on xp
the files on the xp harddisk
in Explorer are correctly shown in lower case

when I boot on w98
the same files on the xp harddisk
in Explorer are always shown in uppercase
if their name is up to 8 char long
note:
if the name is longer, eg: 12 char , it is shown in
lower case
note
the files on the w98 same harddisk are always shown correctly


How can I get the original lowercase filename
from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
correctly displayed in W98?

 

[Tim Slattery]

a <a@libero.it> wrote:

>How can I get the original lowercase filename
>from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
>correctly displayed in W98?

I don't a Win98 machine in front of me to check this out, but I'd
start by checking View|Folder Options, View tab in Windows Explorer.
See if any of the options listed there might help out.

--
Tim Slattery
MS MVP(DTS)
Slattery_T@bls.gov
http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

 

[BD]

Tim Slattery wrote:
> a <a@libero.it> wrote:
>
>> How can I get the original lowercase filename
>>from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
>> correctly displayed in W98?
>
> I don't a Win98 machine in front of me to check this out, but I'd
> start by checking View|Folder Options, View tab in Windows Explorer.
> See if any of the options listed there might help out.
>
Hi Tim
IIRC in Folder Options there is a setting to allow/disallow folder names
in upper case.

 

[PCR]

BD wrote:
| Tim Slattery wrote:
|> a <a@libero.it> wrote:
|>
|>> How can I get the original lowercase filename
|>>from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
|>> correctly displayed in W98?
|>
|> I don't a Win98 machine in front of me to check this out, but I'd
|> start by checking View|Folder Options, View tab in Windows Explorer.
|> See if any of the options listed there might help out.
|>
| Hi Tim
| IIRC in Folder Options there is a setting to allow/disallow folder
| names in upper case.

That's right-- "START button, Settings, Folder Options, View tab".

I am checked there to "Allow all uppercase names". Here is the blurb for
that box...

"Specifies that your computer can display a file name in all uppercase
characters (such as FILENAME.TXT), if that’s the way the file name was
originally typed. When this option is not selected, file names are
changed to lowercase characters (such as Filename.txt), regardless of
how you typed them."


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Roxana]

I've seen similar activity from my near identical setup such as yours is.
It's very annoying, as what are all lowercase in W98se, somehow later get to
be entirely uppercase - including the file extension - when examined in
W98se at some later time.... doubtless, after I've opened the folder or
files in XPsp2.

At any rate, the "solution" offered - eg - to disallow uppercase 'folder
names' is unsatifactory (for me) as I do wish some folder names - but not
necessarily *files* - to be in uppercase.

Maybe this might not happen if one "hid" each respective OS from the other ?
Maybe it's a vexing -never to go away problem -, only resolved by constant
application of a bulk renaming utility. lol :-/


"a" wrote in message news:2em9h35hjknpueoeb291275hi1b6psqbbi@4ax.com...
> hallo
>
> I have two (or to better say more) harddisk
>
> on one of them I have w98
> on another I have wxp sp2
>
> when I boot on xp
> the files on the xp harddisk
> in Explorer are correctly shown in lower case
>
> when I boot on w98
> the same files on the xp harddisk
> in Explorer are always shown in uppercase
> if their name is up to 8 char long
> note:
> if the name is longer, eg: 12 char , it is shown in
> lower case
> note
> the files on the w98 same harddisk are always shown correctly
>
>
> How can I get the original lowercase filename
> from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
> correctly displayed in W98?
>
>
>
>

 

[a]

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Tim Slattery <Slattery_T@bls.gov>
wrote:

>a <a@libero.it> wrote:
>
>>How can I get the original lowercase filename
>>from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
>>correctly displayed in W98?
>
>I don't a Win98 machine in front of me to check this out, but I'd
>start by checking View|Folder Options, View tab in Windows Explorer.
>See if any of the options listed there might help out.

no, no, no, the situation is different
(and your hint didn't work, and it couldn't)

I log in XP
I create a file with Notepad
I save it on XP harddisk
I name it "hallo.txt"

then

I log in w98
I fire Explorer.exe
I browse until I find the the previously created file on the XP harddisk
it is displayed as "Hallo.txt"


I'm very disappointed because
I develop web site on xp (many and many pages)
I Ftp them from W98 (their initial letteres are Uppercase as said)
My web site refuse them because in doesn't accept
filename with first lettter in Uppercase.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:32:13 +0200, a <a@libero.it> put finger to
keyboard and composed:

>On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Tim Slattery <Slattery_T@bls.gov>
>wrote:
>
>>a <a@libero.it> wrote:
>>
>>>How can I get the original lowercase filename
>>>from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
>>>correctly displayed in W98?
>>
>>I don't a Win98 machine in front of me to check this out, but I'd
>>start by checking View|Folder Options, View tab in Windows Explorer.
>>See if any of the options listed there might help out.
>
>no, no, no, the situation is different
>(and your hint didn't work, and it couldn't)
>
>I log in XP
>I create a file with Notepad
>I save it on XP harddisk
>I name it "hallo.txt"
>
>then
>
>I log in w98
>I fire Explorer.exe
>I browse until I find the the previously created file on the XP harddisk
>it is displayed as "Hallo.txt"
>
>
>I'm very disappointed because
>I develop web site on xp (many and many pages)
>I Ftp them from W98 (their initial letteres are Uppercase as said)
>My web site refuse them because in doesn't accept
>filename with first lettter in Uppercase.

I'd use a disk editor to look at the actual directory entries for the
problem files. At the moment I don't it's possible to say whether the
problem is at the XP or W98 end.

What I would do is format a floppy diskette without putting a system
on it, and then use Win XP's Notepad to write one file to it. Then use
the DOS Debug command in a DOS box to dump the first sector of the
root directory (see below). This may tell you where the case change is
occurring.

debug
-L 100 0 13 1
-D 100
-Q

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[PCR]

a wrote:
| On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Tim Slattery <Slattery_T@bls.gov>
| wrote:
|
|>a <a@libero.it> wrote:
|>
|>>How can I get the original lowercase filename
|>>from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
|>>correctly displayed in W98?
|>
|>I don't a Win98 machine in front of me to check this out, but I'd
|>start by checking View|Folder Options, View tab in Windows Explorer.
|>See if any of the options listed there might help out.
|
| no, no, no, the situation is different
| (and your hint didn't work, and it couldn't)
|
| I log in XP
| I create a file with Notepad
| I save it on XP harddisk
| I name it "hallo.txt"
|
| then
|
| I log in w98
| I fire Explorer.exe
| I browse until I find the the previously created file on the XP
| harddisk it is displayed as "Hallo.txt"

That is exactly what would happen-- IF you are unchecked to "Allow all
uppercase names" at "START button, Settings, Folder Options, View tab".

Explorer pretties up the DISPLAY of the name, by capitalizing the first
character & setting the others to be lower case. (But it doesn't
actually change the name itself.) Here is the blurb again, saying what
happens-- if you put a check in the box...

"Specifies that your computer can display a file name in all uppercase
characters (such as FILENAME.TXT), if that’s the way the file name was
originally typed. When this option is not selected, file names are
changed to lowercase characters (such as Filename.txt), regardless of
how you typed them."

You SHOULD put the check into that box! Then, Explorer will show the
actual name, unchanged-- capitals & lower case, whatever is really
there!

| I'm very disappointed because
| I develop web site on xp (many and many pages)
| I Ftp them from W98 (their initial letteres are Uppercase as said)
| My web site refuse them because in doesn't accept
| filename with first lettter in Uppercase.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[PCR]

Roxana wrote:
| I've seen similar activity from my near identical setup such as yours
| is. It's very annoying, as what are all lowercase in W98se, somehow
| later get to be entirely uppercase - including the file extension -
| when examined in W98se at some later time.... doubtless, after I've
| opened the folder or files in XPsp2.

I'm not surprised to hear XP-irradiation could do that!

| At any rate, the "solution" offered - eg - to disallow uppercase
| 'folder names' is unsatifactory (for me) as I do wish some folder
| names - but not necessarily *files* - to be in uppercase.

That option in Win98 to "Allow all uppercase names", if checked,
actually allows both upper & lower case letters to show up-- whatever
the name really is! If the option is unchecked-- only the DISPLAY of the
name in Explorer is affected (not its actual spelling). Then, the first
letter shows up capitalized, & the rest lower-case.

SO... it's up to you to spell them right in the first place-- & to keep
them away from XP!

| Maybe this might not happen if one "hid" each respective OS from the
| other ?

If XP-irradiation is really doing it, then, YEA-- NEVER allow XP to see
that partition!

| Maybe it's a vexing -never to go away problem -, only
| resolved by constant application of a bulk renaming utility. lol :-/

Yea. If you want the original Windows folders & files to actually be
spelled differently, you must do it yourself or find something like
that.

|
| "a" wrote in message
| news:2em9h35hjknpueoeb291275hi1b6psqbbi@4ax.com...
|> hallo
|>
|> I have two (or to better say more) harddisk
|>
|> on one of them I have w98
|> on another I have wxp sp2
|>
|> when I boot on xp
|> the files on the xp harddisk
|> in Explorer are correctly shown in lower case
|>
|> when I boot on w98
|> the same files on the xp harddisk
|> in Explorer are always shown in uppercase
|> if their name is up to 8 char long
|> note:
|> if the name is longer, eg: 12 char , it is shown in
|> lower case
|> note
|> the files on the w98 same harddisk are always shown correctly
|>
|>
|> How can I get the original lowercase filename
|> from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
|> correctly displayed in W98?

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Roxana]

"PCR" wrote in message news:ubMnhUREIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Roxana wrote:
> | I've seen similar activity from my near identical setup such as yours
> | is. It's very annoying, as what are all lowercase in W98se, somehow
> | later get to be entirely uppercase - including the file extension -
> | when examined in W98se at some later time.... doubtless, after I've
> | opened the folder or files in XPsp2.
>
> I'm not surprised to hear XP-irradiation could do that!

Yes, it appears it does that.... and more ! (not LOL) . But for now, let me
be specific (as I was less than exact) in what I'm referring to.For example,
I have files created in - and initially displayed in - W98se as:
Blabla.txt
Whatever pic.jpg
File1009.jpg

Then, after some back and forth between XP-radiation's-ville and W98se
fallout shelter, I will then see in W98se (in Explorer/ some folder/
whatever):
BLABLA.TXT
WHATEVER PIC.JPG
FILE1009.JPG
>
> | At any rate, the "solution" offered - eg - to disallow uppercase
> | 'folder names' is unsatifactory (for me) as I do wish some folder
> | names - but not necessarily *files* - to be in uppercase.
>
> That option in Win98 to "Allow all uppercase names", if checked,
> actually allows both upper & lower case letters to show up-- whatever
> the name really is! If the option is unchecked-- only the DISPLAY of the
> name in Explorer is affected (not its actual spelling). Then, the first
> letter shows up capitalized, & the rest lower-case.
>
> SO... it's up to you to spell them right in the first place-- & to keep
> them away from XP!

I try the former, and as for the latter: If W98se were still attended to
with the reverence and care it deserves (from MS and software vendors and
the like), I'd never venture into that Three-mile Island XP region for even
one second. But alas.......
>
> | Maybe this might not happen if one "hid" each respective OS from the
> | other ?
>
> If XP-irradiation is really doing it, then, YEA-- NEVER allow XP to see
> that partition!

Then I must make everything that I might be able to access in W98se
*invisible* to XP ? (I'm always trying to avoid any *System* related things
already). Do you mean that even looking at 98se data from XP can be bad ?
(I'm not talking about running 98se programs within XP).

> | Maybe it's a vexing -never to go away problem -, only
> | resolved by constant application of a bulk renaming utility. lol :-/
>
> Yea. If you want the original Windows folders & files to actually be
> spelled differently, you must do it yourself or find something like
> that.

Which is what I've had to do on more than one occasion. :-/
>
> |
> | "a" wrote in message
> | news:2em9h35hjknpueoeb291275hi1b6psqbbi@4ax.com...
> |> hallo
> |>
> |> I have two (or to better say more) harddisk
> |>
> |> on one of them I have w98
> |> on another I have wxp sp2
> |>
> |> when I boot on xp
> |> the files on the xp harddisk
> |> in Explorer are correctly shown in lower case
> |>
> |> when I boot on w98
> |> the same files on the xp harddisk
> |> in Explorer are always shown in uppercase
> |> if their name is up to 8 char long
> |> note:
> |> if the name is longer, eg: 12 char , it is shown in
> |> lower case
> |> note
> |> the files on the w98 same harddisk are always shown correctly
> |>
> |>
> |> How can I get the original lowercase filename
> |> from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
> |> correctly displayed in W98?
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

 

[PCR]

Roxana wrote:
| "PCR" wrote in message news:ubMnhUREIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> Roxana wrote:
|> | I've seen similar activity from my near identical setup such as
|> | yours is. It's very annoying, as what are all lowercase in W98se,
|> | somehow later get to be entirely uppercase - including the file
|> | extension - when examined in W98se at some later time....
|> | doubtless, after I've opened the folder or files in XPsp2.
|>
|> I'm not surprised to hear XP-irradiation could do that!
|
| Yes, it appears it does that.... and more ! (not LOL) . But for now,
| let me be specific (as I was less than exact) in what I'm referring
| to.For example, I have files created in - and initially displayed in
| - W98se as:
| Blabla.txt
| Whatever pic.jpg
| File1009.jpg

What is the setting for "Allow all uppercase names" when they show up
like that? That's exactly what they would look like in Explorer, if the
box is unchecked.

| Then, after some back and forth between XP-radiation's-ville and W98se
| fallout shelter, I will then see in W98se (in Explorer/ some folder/
| whatever):
| BLABLA.TXT
| WHATEVER PIC.JPG
| FILE1009.JPG

Hmm. It could only show up this way in Explorer, if they really were
spelt like that AND the "Allow all..." option is checked.

|> | At any rate, the "solution" offered - eg - to disallow uppercase
|> | 'folder names' is unsatifactory (for me) as I do wish some folder
|> | names - but not necessarily *files* - to be in uppercase.
|>
|> That option in Win98 to "Allow all uppercase names", if checked,
|> actually allows both upper & lower case letters to show up-- whatever
|> the name really is! If the option is unchecked-- only the DISPLAY of
|> the name in Explorer is affected (not its actual spelling). Then,
|> the first letter shows up capitalized, & the rest lower-case.
|>
|> SO... it's up to you to spell them right in the first place-- & to
|> keep them away from XP!
|
| I try the former, and as for the latter: If W98se were still attended
| to with the reverence and care it deserves (from MS and software
| vendors and the like), I'd never venture into that Three-mile Island
| XP region for even one second. But alas.......

If you absolutely must use XP, best check for some weird setting in it
that could be respelling your file names. Does it have a "Folder
Options, View tab"? What are the options in there, then? Can it be XP
has one that really does respell a file name, instead of just changing
the way it displays in Explorer? And remember to put on your tinfoil hat
when sitting at an XP-machine! All of here do!

|> | Maybe this might not happen if one "hid" each respective OS from
|> | the other ?
|>
|> If XP-irradiation is really doing it, then, YEA-- NEVER allow XP to
|> see that partition!
|
| Then I must make everything that I might be able to access in W98se
| *invisible* to XP ? (I'm always trying to avoid any *System* related
| things already). Do you mean that even looking at 98se data from XP
| can be bad ? (I'm not talking about running 98se programs within XP).

I haven't sat at an XP-machine long enough to know or for my earlobes to
turn purple & fall onto my toes! Are you sure you just look at them in
XP? Does it happen every time?

Another possible way file names could become all upper-case is to copy
them in True DOS. Do you ever Reboot in MS-DOS Mode & do things to the
files there?

|> | Maybe it's a vexing -never to go away problem -, only
|> | resolved by constant application of a bulk renaming utility. lol
|> | :-/
|>
|> Yea. If you want the original Windows folders & files to actually be
|> spelled differently, you must do it yourself or find something like
|> that.
|
| Which is what I've had to do on more than one occasion. :-/

That sounds like a big pain!

|> |
|> | "a" wrote in message
|> | news:2em9h35hjknpueoeb291275hi1b6psqbbi@4ax.com...
|> |> hallo
|> |>
|> |> I have two (or to better say more) harddisk
|> |>
|> |> on one of them I have w98
|> |> on another I have wxp sp2
|> |>
|> |> when I boot on xp
|> |> the files on the xp harddisk
|> |> in Explorer are correctly shown in lower case
|> |>
|> |> when I boot on w98
|> |> the same files on the xp harddisk
|> |> in Explorer are always shown in uppercase
|> |> if their name is up to 8 char long
|> |> note:
|> |> if the name is longer, eg: 12 char , it is shown in
|> |> lower case
|> |> note
|> |> the files on the w98 same harddisk are always shown correctly
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> How can I get the original lowercase filename
|> |> from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
|> |> correctly displayed in W98?
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Roxana]

Try to answer here as best as, and as much as, I can at this time (I'm still
in 98se and try to avoid use of XP as much as possible).
<inline>
"PCR" wrote in message news:ORK1bMSEIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Roxana wrote:
> | "PCR" wrote:
> |> Roxana wrote:
> |> | <snipp>....what are all lowercase in W98se,
> |> | somehow later get to be entirely uppercase - including the file
> |> | extension - when examined in W98se at some later time....
> |> | doubtless, after I've opened the folder or files in XPsp2.
> |>
> |> I'm not surprised to hear XP-irradiation could do that!
> |
> | Yes, it appears it does that.... But for now,
> | let me be specific (as I was less than exact) in what I'm referring
> | to. For example, I have files created in - and initially displayed in
> | - W98se as:
> | Blabla.txt
> | Whatever pic.jpg
> | File1009.jpg
>
> What is the setting for "Allow all uppercase names" when they show up
> like that? That's exactly what they would look like in Explorer, if the
> box is unchecked.

W98se: Files and Folders: Allow all uppercase names. *checked*
>
> | Then, after some back and forth between XP-radiation's-ville and W98se
> | fallout shelter, I will then see in W98se (in Explorer/ some folder/
> | whatever):
> | BLABLA.TXT
> | WHATEVER PIC.JPG
> | FILE1009.JPG
>
> Hmm. It could only show up this way in Explorer, if they really were
> spelt like that AND the "Allow all..." option is checked.

Which it is (in w98se). Again, it is *checked* (allowed)
>
> |> | At any rate, the "solution" offered - eg - to disallow uppercase
> |> | 'folder names' is unsatifactory (for me) as I do wish some folder
> |> | names - but not necessarily *files* - to be in uppercase.
> |>
> |> That option in Win98 to "Allow all uppercase names", if checked,
> |> actually allows both upper & lower case letters to show up-- whatever
> |> the name really is! If the option is unchecked-- only the DISPLAY of
> |> the name in Explorer is affected (not its actual spelling). Then,
> |> the first letter shows up capitalized, & the rest lower-case.
> |>
> |> SO... it's up to you to spell them right in the first place-- & to
> |> keep them away from XP!
> |
> | I try the former, and as for the latter: If W98se were still attended
> | to with the reverence and care it deserves (from MS and software
> | vendors and the like), I'd never venture into that Three-mile Island
> | XP region for even one second. But alas.......
>
> If you absolutely must use XP, best check for some weird setting in it
> that could be respelling your file names. Does it have a "Folder
> Options, View tab"?

It has some sort of something like that (accessed via a different menu
option than in 98se)

What are the options in there, then?

I cannot tell right now... I'm in w98se. I'll see later, OK ?

> Can it be XP
> has one that really does respell a file name, instead of just changing
> the way it displays in Explorer?

Hard to know. I seldom use it (I swear). hehe

And remember to put on your tinfoil hat
> when sitting at an XP-machine! All of here do!

You bet !
>
> |> | Maybe this might not happen if one "hid" each respective OS from
> |> | the other ?
> |>
> |> If XP-irradiation is really doing it, then, YEA-- NEVER allow XP to
> |> see that partition!
> |
> | Then I must make everything that I might be able to access in W98se
> | *invisible* to XP ? (I'm always trying to avoid any *System* related
> | things already). Do you mean that even looking at 98se data from XP
> | can be bad ? (I'm not talking about running 98se programs within XP).
>
> I haven't sat at an XP-machine long enough to know or for my earlobes to
> turn purple & fall onto my toes! Are you sure you just look at them in
> XP? Does it happen every time?

Maybe some are moved back and forth from time to time (Never any System type
stuff, mind you.). For instance, lets say I'm doing some photo editing or
some music / video editing. It sometimes seems better for me to copy or move
a given file from 98se over to XP for that purpose.
>
> Another possible way file names could become all upper-case is to copy
> them in True DOS. Do you ever Reboot in MS-DOS Mode & do things to the
> files there?

I've re-booted in MS-DOS on occasion, but have ultra rarely done any file
type stuff in that mode. Usually, I'd only boot into MS-DOS to do something
like a Deltree of TIF's.
>
> |> | Maybe it's a vexing -never to go away problem -, only
> |> | resolved by constant application of a bulk renaming utility. lol
> |> | :-/
> |>
> |> Yea. If you want the original Windows folders & files to actually be
> |> spelled differently, you must do it yourself or find something like
> |> that.
> |
> | Which is what I've had to do on more than one occasion. :-/
>
> That sounds like a big pain!

It's a smallish PITA. There are worse problems with PC's than that, of
course. It's probably the fact that one can use a bulk renaming utility in
.... well, bulk, which makes it less annoying than it sounds. <g> But still,
it is annoying, and one must do something about it/them, or else live with
them as they become uppercase..
>
> |> |
> |> | "a" wrote in message
> |> | news:2em9h35hjknpueoeb291275hi1b6psqbbi@4ax.com...
<snipped>

> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

 

[Roxana]

"PCR" wrote in message news:ORK1bMSEIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Roxana wrote:
<snipped>
> If you absolutely must use XP, best check for some weird setting in it
> that could be respelling your file names. Does it have a "Folder
> Options, View tab"?

In XP: Tools menu > folder options > view tab

> What are the options in there, then?

I see no option such as 98se has for names. There appears to be no "Allow
all uppercase names", or anything which I can perceive as applying to such a
similar option/ability.

> Can it be XP
> has one that really does respell a file name, instead of just changing
> the way it displays in Explorer?
<snipped>

I cannot rightly say, as my overall familiarity with XP pro is less than
nominal.

Does XP actually manage filename protocol differently than 9x who knows ?
Is this issue solely limited to the way W98se *displays* these file names
which only *appear* to be uppercase when in 98se (after something,
somewhere, somehow has changed them so 98se sees them as such) ?
Whatever the case/cause may be (not filename "case"), 98se still *defacto*
displays some filenames which have mysteriously become changed to a FULLY
UPPERCASE name, and that's bad enough. These changed filenames can also be
manually re-named back to Lowercase in W98se. So, ultimately, the
"appearance" of the filename is changed - somehow, somewhere.

I know this much: Regardless of whatever OS I use - whether 98se or XP - I
never name files in FULL UPPERCASE, excepting for the first letter of a file
(or the first letter of each individual word of a given multiword file).
I may occasionally have reason to name a folder in FULL UPPERCASE in either
OS, but that's my limit of uppercase naming convention.

It's baffling, as well as being confusing to properly describe in words.

As I'd earlier hinted at, there are other areas where XP pro and 98se
'collide in strange fashion'. The Recycle Bin(s) are one area which readily
come to mind, but I just don't want to "go there' right now.

I should have added - though I'm not sure if this makes any difference -
that XP is on a second hard drive.


> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

 

[thanatoid]

a <a@libero.it> wrote in
news:2em9h35hjknpueoeb291275hi1b6psqbbi@4ax.com:

> hallo

<SNIP>

> in Explorer are always shown in uppercase
> if their name is up to 8 char long
> note:
> if the name is longer, eg: 12 char , it is shown in
> lower case
> note
> the files on the w98 same harddisk are always shown correctly
>
>
> How can I get the original lowercase filename
> from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
> correctly displayed in W98?

Seeing as the thread has not provided a simple answer, here's
one.

(For those who tend to read my blather, this will be
repetitious.)

IMO Windows Explorer is a torture device designed to let you do
the least possible with the most amount of hassle possible.

My suggestion is to NEVER use Windows Explorer again, except to
set file associations and stuff like that (e.g. options, which
CAN be accessed other ways or with specialized programs but
that's more than you want to get into).

Get a REAL file manager from www.ghisler.com
It will work forever in demo mode but I paid for it because I
could not live without it. Support independent authors who write
software that is your friend instead of your enemy.

I am PRETTY SURE your problem will disappear. Names appear like
you type them, and you have about 500 other features WE can only
dream of.


--
Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but Vista
on any computer in the world.

 

[Roxana]

"thanatoid" wrote in message news:Xns99CCEED10481Ethanexit@66.250.146.158...
> a <a@libero.it> wrote in
> news:2em9h35hjknpueoeb291275hi1b6psqbbi@4ax.com:
>
> > hallo
>
> <SNIP>
>
> > in Explorer are always shown in uppercase
> > if their name is up to 8 char long
> > note:
> > if the name is longer, eg: 12 char , it is shown in
> > lower case
> > note
> > the files on the w98 same harddisk are always shown correctly
> >
> >
> > How can I get the original lowercase filename
> > from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
> > correctly displayed in W98?
>
<snip>
>
> Get a REAL file manager from www.ghisler.com
> It will work forever in demo mode but I paid for it because I
> could not live without it. Support independent authors who write
> software that is your friend instead of your enemy.
>
> I am PRETTY SURE your problem will disappear. Names appear like
> you type them, and you have about 500 other features WE can only
> dream of.
>
> --
> Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but Vista
> on any computer in the world.

First, before attending to actual reply. Your closing "tag", is that a fear,
or a wish ? :-D

Now:
I had that program - Total Commander - long ago (before dual boot with XP),
but had reason to un-install it, so therefore I cannot make any evaluation
as to whether that would "fix" the problem that has been described.
However, at the present, I have looked at this uppercase naming problem via
XYplorer, xplorer2, EFCommander, and other similar 3rd-party Windows
Explorer replacements and they all (eventually) manifest the same problem as
described.

Retuning once again to your suggestion: Am I mistaken in doubting that Total
Commander would be any more successful at curing this issue than any of the
other aforementioned file managers ?

I think there must be something that occurs when having two operating
systems (on separate drives ?) and possibly because they are not hidden from
each other (?) that's at the root of this. Obviously, I don't know the exact
reason or the answer.

 

[BD]

"Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message
news:esL2FQUEIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "thanatoid" wrote in message
> news:Xns99CCEED10481Ethanexit@66.250.146.158...
>> a <a@libero.it> wrote in
>> news:2em9h35hjknpueoeb291275hi1b6psqbbi@4ax.com:
>>
>> > hallo
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> > in Explorer are always shown in uppercase
>> > if their name is up to 8 char long
>> > note:
>> > if the name is longer, eg: 12 char , it is shown in
>> > lower case
>> > note
>> > the files on the w98 same harddisk are always shown correctly
>> >
>> >
>> > How can I get the original lowercase filename
>> > from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
>> > correctly displayed in W98?
>>
> <snip>
>>
>> Get a REAL file manager from www.ghisler.com
>> It will work forever in demo mode but I paid for it because I
>> could not live without it. Support independent authors who write
>> software that is your friend instead of your enemy.
>>
>> I am PRETTY SURE your problem will disappear. Names appear like
>> you type them, and you have about 500 other features WE can only
>> dream of.
>>
>> --
>> Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but Vista
>> on any computer in the world.
>
> First, before attending to actual reply. Your closing "tag", is that a
> fear,
> or a wish ? :-D
>
> Now:
> I had that program - Total Commander - long ago (before dual boot with
> XP),
> but had reason to un-install it, so therefore I cannot make any evaluation
> as to whether that would "fix" the problem that has been described.
> However, at the present, I have looked at this uppercase naming problem
> via
> XYplorer, xplorer2, EFCommander, and other similar 3rd-party Windows
> Explorer replacements and they all (eventually) manifest the same problem
> as
> described.
>
> Retuning once again to your suggestion: Am I mistaken in doubting that
> Total
> Commander would be any more successful at curing this issue than any of
> the
> other aforementioned file managers ?
>
> I think there must be something that occurs when having two operating
> systems (on separate drives ?) and possibly because they are not hidden
> from
> each other (?) that's at the root of this. Obviously, I don't know the
> exact
> reason or the answer.
>
>
A solution to this could be scripted very quickly with about 10 lines of
code.

BD©

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:10:16 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>a wrote:
>| On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Tim Slattery <Slattery_T@bls.gov>
>| wrote:
>|
>|>a <a@libero.it> wrote:
>|>
>|>>How can I get the original lowercase filename
>|>>from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
>|>>correctly displayed in W98?
>|>
>|>I don't a Win98 machine in front of me to check this out, but I'd
>|>start by checking View|Folder Options, View tab in Windows Explorer.
>|>See if any of the options listed there might help out.
>|
>| no, no, no, the situation is different
>| (and your hint didn't work, and it couldn't)
>|
>| I log in XP
>| I create a file with Notepad
>| I save it on XP harddisk
>| I name it "hallo.txt"
>|
>| then
>|
>| I log in w98
>| I fire Explorer.exe
>| I browse until I find the the previously created file on the XP
>| harddisk it is displayed as "Hallo.txt"
>
>That is exactly what would happen-- IF you are unchecked to "Allow all
>uppercase names" at "START button, Settings, Folder Options, View tab".
>
>Explorer pretties up the DISPLAY of the name, by capitalizing the first
>character & setting the others to be lower case. (But it doesn't
>actually change the name itself.)

AFAICS, your explanation is valid if the original file name is all
caps, but the OP has stated that he/she saves her work using only
lowercase file names.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:51:08 -0600, "Roxana"
<somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>I've seen similar activity from my near identical setup such as yours is.
>It's very annoying, as what are all lowercase in W98se, somehow later get to
>be entirely uppercase - including the file extension - when examined in
>W98se at some later time.... doubtless, after I've opened the folder or
>files in XPsp2.

The DOS 8.3 file name would be all caps and the long file name would
be mixed case. Maybe this is where multiple operating systems are
becoming confused ??? Does this phenomenon still occur for file names
that are longer than 8 characters? Is it possible that XP saves a
short file name in traditional DOS 8.3 uppercase format without
including a mixed case directory entry for its long equivalent?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[a]

>As I'd earlier hinted at, there are other areas where XP pro and 98se
>'collide in strange fashion'. The Recycle Bin(s) are one area which readily
>come to mind

I confirm.

 

[a]

>
>You SHOULD put the check into that box! Then, Explorer will show the
>actual name, unchanged-- capitals & lower case, whatever is really
>there!


no, no, my situation is different

That checkbox changes hallo.txt in HALLO.TXT
and I don't need it


My situation is about only the first capitalized letter:

I logged in XP, I created on XP drive the hallo.txt file

I logged in W98 , in Explorer, it is shown as Hallo.txt

I want it shown as hallo.txt (that is its original name)

Note:
Logged again in XP , in Explorer , it is regularly
shown as hallo.txt