Which of the following do you recommend for anti-virus ware?

V

Virus Guy

Full-Quoter and Top-poster "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> "The Symantec Corporate installations are pirated."
> Am I missing something?
> Or are you admitting to theft?

Yup.

Whatcha gonna do about it?
 
V

Virus Guy

Leythos wrote:

> > And being "unethical" is not the same as being unknowledgeable.
>
> it makes everything you say/suggest questionable and suspect.

When there are countless posts asking "what's the best AV" or "how
does this av compare to that av", I never see anyone responding with:

- malware can turn off your AV, so look for AV that can resist

- detection isin't removal. Look for AV that can remove what it
detects

- these days, detection means something got onto your system
a week ago. Do other things like update your Java JRE, use
a hosts file, use adaware/spybot/spyware blaster (innoculate
your browser), put more faith in a registry monitoring program
than in an AV program


Go ahead and question that ^^^^^^
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

We now know you are an admitted thief and anything you say should be
treated as anything else said by any common thief, ignored as it
cannot be trusted.
What else do you steal and what other ways are you dishonest?
It is extremely unlikely stealing software is the extent of your
dishonest activity.
Employers and others you associate probably miss what you have stolen
from them.
Since it is the nature of a thief...

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Virus Guy" <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:472531D7.FD7EC4E2@Guy.com...
> Yup.
>
> Whatcha gonna do about it?
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

There is really nothing to question.
You are an admitted thief.
EVERYTHING you say should be treated as a lie since that is the nature
of thieves.
Lying is often necessary to conceal the true intentions.
With most, their word has value, your has NONE.
You steal without regard.
You have stolen from every honest person who pays for the products you
steal since you have decided others subsidize your own unethical
behavior.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Virus Guy" <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:472533E7.6486431C@Guy.com...
> When there are countless posts asking "what's the best AV" or "how
> does this av compare to that av", I never see anyone responding
> with:
>
> - malware can turn off your AV, so look for AV that can resist
>
> - detection isin't removal. Look for AV that can remove what it
> detects
>
> - these days, detection means something got onto your system
> a week ago. Do other things like update your Java JRE, use
> a hosts file, use adaware/spybot/spyware blaster (innoculate
> your browser), put more faith in a registry monitoring program
> than in an AV program
>
>
> Go ahead and question that ^^^^^^
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"And being "unethical" is not the same as being unknowledgeable"
You have shown lack knowledge as well:
"What's a CAL?"

So now by your own admission, you are unethical and unknowledgeable.
You have NOTHING.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Virus Guy" <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:4725308C.D0F38E43@Guy.com...
> Leythos wrote:
>
>> Why - Symantec Corp AV for Workstations and Servers 10.2 can be
>> purchased in as little as 5 CAL.
>
> What's a CAL?
>
>> Being an unethical hack and then telling people about it is a
>> way to have no one listen to you again.
>
> That's up to you. You can do a lot worse than using the odd piece
> of
> software without paying for it. And being "unethical" is not the
> same
> as being unknowledgeable.
 
V

Virus Guy

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> You have NOTHING.

Go blow it out your ass.
 
D

Dustin Cook

Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4724A240.5F2C0683@Guy.com:

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> I've been running Windows OneCare on three different
>> computers for over two years now. No viruses, no spyware,
>> and no malware has entered any on my PCs using OneCare.
>
> How do you know?
>
> How do you know if an AV product is working?
>
> Just because it keeps telling you that there is no malware on your
> system doesn't mean you don't actually have malware on your system.
>
> The polymorphic threats out there (like storm) have been deactivating
> AV programs for 2 or 3 years now.

polymorphic? Erm....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphic_code

Storm doesn't fit the bill for Polymorphic. It makes no effort to alter
it's own code once present on your machine.

> And if you really don't have any malware on your system, don't credit
> your AV software. The reason you don't is because you patch your
> system as soon as the patches become available.

Uhh, no. I develop software on this machine and I need to keep a constant
environment as such, I don't go for the newest patch right away. In
fact, this machine is still using sp1, and isn't even allowed to let me
know about new patches, let alone download them. Why am I not worried you
might ask? I'm behind a real firewall and I routinely practice safe hex.





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D

Dustin Cook

"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:uCyxiGaGIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> ...above this post a little, you said that you are yourself using an
> older version of NAV,
> ...here on this part of this thread - you pointed out that viruses
> like "storm" have been deactivating AV programs,
> ...so you are aware of this danger, and yet you are using an ancient
> a/v program !
> ...this is a almost a contradiction !! ...(and I mean that in a warm,
> kind, loving way !!!)
>
> ...malware that's programmed to deactivate AV software is just one of
> the reasons that many major AV application software vendors, (like
> AVG), are continually modifying their core files !

And this isn't new either. :) Various viruses/worms have long since
targetted av applications to disable them. lol.

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D

Dustin Cook

Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:47268141.36C7D894@Guy.com:

> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> You have NOTHING.
>
> Go blow it out your ass.

What an excellent method of gaining assistance here and likely elsewhere.
No wonder Storm scares you. I bet your afraid of many things. :)


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K

kurt wismer

Dustin Cook wrote:
> Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4724A240.5F2C0683@Guy.com:
[snip]
>> The polymorphic threats out there (like storm) have been deactivating
>> AV programs for 2 or 3 years now.
>
> polymorphic? Erm....
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphic_code
>
> Storm doesn't fit the bill for Polymorphic. It makes no effort to alter
> it's own code once present on your machine.

server-side polymorphism is not the same as the polymorphism you used to
know...
(http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/08/what-is-server-side-polymorphism.html)

--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"
 
D

Dustin Cook

kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:fg8sm9$lpg$1@registered.motzarella.org:

> Dustin Cook wrote:
>> Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4724A240.5F2C0683@Guy.com:
> [snip]
>>> The polymorphic threats out there (like storm) have been
>>> deactivating AV programs for 2 or 3 years now.
>>
>> polymorphic? Erm....
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphic_code
>>
>> Storm doesn't fit the bill for Polymorphic. It makes no effort to
>> alter it's own code once present on your machine.
>
> server-side polymorphism is not the same as the polymorphism you used
> to know...
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/08/what-is-server-side-polym
> orphism.html)
>

You've lost me kurt.. What are you calling server side polymorphism?


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L

Luke

Go for Kasperspy... nice and easy. Anti Spam. Virus. Malware. Anti Spy. Anti
Hacker and Proactive Defence.
Plus another good thing is its not a memory hog. 0-1% at all times... during
scans its about 5% of CPU. It does updates everyhour to make sure your up to
date. And you dont need to do it , automatic and even when it updates it
takes minutes! No restart or anything. When i had norton i had 5 different
infections (viruses, Adware and trojans). suposidly norton "Deleted" them...
lol. When i got kasperspy it quarintined them all :) . And no i didnt
quarintime them in norton... before you say thats why they were there.

PS: kasperspy 7 is out now. And its easy to get around and it looks much
nicer than before! SUPER SMILEY :)

luke




"rubyjack" <rubyjack@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:e0bMGX%23FIHA.6068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I have the following choices to install as anti-virus ware/suite (my
> NortonWorks is expiring). The price ranges from $0 to $40 to install (all
> legit, I have some on hand).
>
> Norton SystemWorks
> Norton 360
> MacAfee 2007
> Panda 2007
> Kaspersky 6.0
>
> Your help would be appreciated,
> Dan Hacker
>
> --
>
> -----------
> Thousands of years ago cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never
> forgotten this. -- Danbury Mint
> -----------
>
>
 
K

kurt wismer

Dustin Cook wrote:
> kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in
>> Dustin Cook wrote:
>>> Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4724A240.5F2C0683@Guy.com:
>> [snip]
>>>> The polymorphic threats out there (like storm) have been
>>>> deactivating AV programs for 2 or 3 years now.
>>> polymorphic? Erm....
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphic_code
>>>
>>> Storm doesn't fit the bill for Polymorphic. It makes no effort to
>>> alter it's own code once present on your machine.
>> server-side polymorphism is not the same as the polymorphism you used
>> to know...
>> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/08/what-is-server-side-polym
>> orphism.html)
>>
>
> You've lost me kurt.. What are you calling server side polymorphism?

hmmm... the wording of your question makes what you're having difficulty
with seem a little ambiguous to me...

do you mean you don't understand my explanation of what server-side
polymorphism is (seems unlikely, considering your pedigree) or is it
rather that you don't understand why i think that server-side
polymorphism was the type of polymorphism in question when virus guy
referred to storm as a polymorphic threat (many sources make reference
to it's use of server-side polymorphism)?

--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"
 
D

Dustin Cook

kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:fgcd8m$gdt$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> Dustin Cook wrote:
>> kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in
>>> Dustin Cook wrote:
>>>> Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4724A240.5F2C0683@Guy.com:
>>> [snip]
>>>>> The polymorphic threats out there (like storm) have been
>>>>> deactivating AV programs for 2 or 3 years now.
>>>> polymorphic? Erm....
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphic_code
>>>>
>>>> Storm doesn't fit the bill for Polymorphic. It makes no effort to
>>>> alter it's own code once present on your machine.
>>> server-side polymorphism is not the same as the polymorphism you used
>>> to know...
>>> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/08/what-is-server-side-
polym
>>> orphism.html)
>>>
>>
>> You've lost me kurt.. What are you calling server side polymorphism?
>
> hmmm... the wording of your question makes what you're having
difficulty
> with seem a little ambiguous to me...
>
> do you mean you don't understand my explanation of what server-side
> polymorphism is (seems unlikely, considering your pedigree) or is it
> rather that you don't understand why i think that server-side
> polymorphism was the type of polymorphism in question when virus guy
> referred to storm as a polymorphic threat (many sources make reference
> to it's use of server-side polymorphism)?
>

The latter, threw me for a loop. I hadn't thought of polymorphism from
the server side. I should get outside more :)


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R

RJK

K

Kayman

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 01:17:10 -0000, RJK wrote:
> ...I always suspected that Kaspersky was a heap of crap !
>
> regards, Richard
>
> "Kayman" <kaymanNoSpam@operamail.com> wrote in message
> news:b9cg0bg4l40a.cs00kn6jy93u$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:22:47 -0000, Luke wrote:
>>
>>> Go for Kasperspy... nice and easy.
>>
>> Yeah, right!
>>
>> http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?s=cad8c5e5fe1e837e5e82ead4e1719018&showtopic=14995&st=500
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...sult&cd=1&q=chkdsk+problem++kaspersky&spell=1

The protection provided by KAV seems excellent, but their handling of a
long-running problem with CHKDSK has undermined the faith of many users in
the company.

This might be the reason as to why AOL dropped Kaspersky?????

In Kaspersky forum people are divided by this issue but I sense that
discomfort even with senior moderators... - as no definite answer/fix is
offered.

It all could be FUD though... :)
 
S

Sandy Mann

"Kayman" <kaymanNoSpam@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:b9cg0bg4l40a.cs00kn6jy93u$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:22:47 -0000, Luke wrote:
>
>> Go for Kasperspy... nice and easy.
>
> Yeah, right!

Off topic but your response just brought it to mind:

An English lecturer was explaining to the students that in English, a double
negative is actually a positive. There are also some languages where a
double negative is still a negative but there are no languages in the world
where a double positive is a negative. From the back of the hall she heard,
"Yeah, right!!



--

Sandy
In Perth, the ancient capital of Scotland
and the crowning place of kings
 
R

RJK

I was referring to an earlier comment I made ...I think on this thread,
....where I mentioned that a few months ago I "trialled" Kaspersky Internet
Security suite, on several PC's, and it was unhappy in all of them !!

regards, Richard


"Kayman" <kaymanNoSpam@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:4vgm4026fuiq.xasbpbxtm1g$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 01:17:10 -0000, RJK wrote:
>> ...I always suspected that Kaspersky was a heap of crap !
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>> "Kayman" <kaymanNoSpam@operamail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b9cg0bg4l40a.cs00kn6jy93u$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:22:47 -0000, Luke wrote:
>>>
>>>> Go for Kasperspy... nice and easy.
>>>
>>> Yeah, right!
>>>
>>> http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?s=cad8c5e5fe1e837e5e82ead4e1719018&showtopic=14995&st=500
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...sult&cd=1&q=chkdsk+problem++kaspersky&spell=1
>
> The protection provided by KAV seems excellent, but their handling of a
> long-running problem with CHKDSK has undermined the faith of many users in
> the company.
>
> This might be the reason as to why AOL dropped Kaspersky?????
>
> In Kaspersky forum people are divided by this issue but I sense that
> discomfort even with senior moderators... - as no definite answer/fix is
> offered.
>
> It all could be FUD though... :)
 
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