Win98SE config probs

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Robert Baer

Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the following
serious problem.
Run the Internet Wizard, use manual as i already have an ISP.
Put i all parameters possible and then have to diddle modem for
115Kbaud, max FIFO have to diddle dialing for always use area code and
some other diddling i do not remember to get the damn dialing to work
correctly.
*First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up, connect, etc.
**Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login (booting an
original 1980 IBMPC XT was faster).
So i am on the net (whoopee - except i am asleep due to long wait).
Close browser, disconnect.
Try IE again, same story.
Shut down, power off, power on, boot to Win98SE.
**Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling will fix it.
Wipe HD and try again.
Same sh*t.
Am getting pissed.
Any positive suggestins to *permenantly* fix these problems?
 
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Brian A.

"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:13j7j9b10do682a@corp.supernews.com...
> Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the following serious problem.
> Run the Internet Wizard, use manual as i already have an ISP.
> Put i all parameters possible and then have to diddle modem for 115Kbaud, max
> FIFO have to diddle dialing for always use area code and some other diddling i do
> not remember to get the damn dialing to work correctly.
> *First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up, connect, etc.
> **Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login (booting an original 1980
> IBMPC XT was faster).
> So i am on the net (whoopee - except i am asleep due to long wait).
> Close browser, disconnect.
> Try IE again, same story.
> Shut down, power off, power on, boot to Win98SE.
> **Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling will fix it.
> Wipe HD and try again.
> Same sh*t.
> Am getting pissed.
> Any positive suggestins to *permenantly* fix these problems?

Have you checked your ISPs support site to double check the settings are proper for
their connection type?

--

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Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
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thanatoid

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
news:13j7j9b10do682a@corp.supernews.com:

> Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the
> following
> serious problem.
> Run the Internet Wizard, use manual as i already have an
> ISP. Put i all parameters possible and then have to
> diddle modem for
> 115Kbaud, max FIFO have to diddle dialing for always use
> area code and some other diddling i do not remember to get
> the damn dialing to work correctly.
> *First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up,
> connect, etc.
> **Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login
> (booting an original 1980 IBMPC XT was faster).
> So i am on the net (whoopee - except i am asleep due to
> long wait). Close browser, disconnect.
> Try IE again, same story.
> Shut down, power off, power on, boot to Win98SE.
> **Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling
> will fix it.
> Wipe HD and try again.
> Same sh*t.
> Am getting pissed.
> Any positive suggestins to *permenantly* fix these
> problems?

It's been a long time since I had to set anything up (I have
been spoiled by Acronis True Image, a real life saver) but two
of the main things I would imagine are causing your problems is
a) using IE to establish the connection, rather than just having
a properly-set up dial-up connection shortcut, which upon double
clicking connects you and sits there waiting for you to start
whatever internet application you want to use and b) using IE
which messes with everything it can, changes settings however
*it* wants to, and also lets everyone else in the world mess
with your computer.

You APPEAR to be using Netscape, I suggest Opera, see below. And
WHY are you letting IE be in charge of the connection when you
are obviously smart enough not to use it as a browser? I would
suspect (I didn't look at your headers earlier, and I've been
writing this for a while) that it's the conflict between IE
wanting to be the default browser and changing settings which
may be causing a considerable part of the problems.

Remember, you have to properly set up the modem, the dial up
connection, the network protocols (a few settings there are
crucial for your security even if you don't use IE), etc. Most
of this is in the Control Panel and the Wizard may or may not
get you to make those settings the way they should be.

Not a bad idea to reboot after every part of this is done, and
save the registry before and after. Make a directory with
subdirs for all the registry copies that will start
accumulating.

Checking with your provider is not a bad idea, there used to be
a time ISP's gave you a disc and manual, I don't know whether
you got one or not, but many ISP systems have small but possibly
significant set-up differences. Anyway, you're their *customer*
and it's their *job* to walk you through this when necessary.

If the ISP tech support doesn't make all this work, I would
Google a bit, there are MANY sites which explain this entire
long and painful process very thoroughly and make it fairly
easy. (Might also consider switching providers if they're
jerks.)

I would also suggest you get Opera, www.oldversion.com, the new
versions may not run that well on a (presumably) older machine.
I use 7.23 on this 166MHz w/96RAM, works fine.

Another GREAT browser if you like fast as hell, totally safe and
simple, and don't care about Flash and Java is at
www.offbyone.com
 
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dadiOH

Robert Baer wrote:
> Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the following
> serious problem.
> Run the Internet Wizard, use manual as i already have an ISP.
> Put i all parameters possible and then have to diddle modem for
> 115Kbaud, max FIFO have to diddle dialing for always use area
> code and some other diddling i do not remember to get the damn
> dialing to work correctly.
> *First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up, connect,
> etc.
> **Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login (booting an
> original 1980 IBMPC XT was faster).
> So i am on the net (whoopee - except i am asleep due to long
> wait). Close browser, disconnect.
> Try IE again, same story.
> Shut down, power off, power on, boot to Win98SE.
> **Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling will fix it.
> Wipe HD and try again.
> Same sh*t.
> Am getting pissed.
> Any positive suggestins to *permenantly* fix these problems?

1. I have installed lots of modems (they were always getting zapped
by lightning) but I have never had the need to fiddle with their
properties. Stick it in, boot windows, point it to any needed modem
software on the CD.

2. My ISPs always had local numbers to dial. Yours doesn't? If not,
I hope it is a toll free long distance call else it is going to get
expensive. IOW, I never set dialer to use area code, just entered the
correct local number(s).

3. I'd always check the properties of the connectoid for the ISP to
assure that it was set on the server tab to use TCP/IP. Easiest to
get to it in WinExplorer>Dial-Up Networking. I often made a shortcut
to the connectoid and put it somewhere handy so I could use it to
connect manually whenever I wished i.e., without the necessity of a
program requesting it. I suppose (never tried it) it could be put in
the Programs/StartUp folder so that a connection would be established
automatically when booting.

4. Also in WinExplorer>DUN, Connections, Settings set it to "Don't
prompt to use Dial-Up Networking". Configure other settings there to
your liking.

5. In Control Panel, Internet Options, Connections set your ISP as
default (if not already) and tick "Always dial my default connection".
______________

You should now be able to connect automatically whenever you click on
anything that requires a connection...a Favorite, mail program,
browser, hot link in an email, program, whatever. Nothing is going to
shorten the 20-30 second time period the connectoid takes to connect
(other than getting broadband).


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Robert Baer

Brian A. wrote:

> "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:13j7j9b10do682a@corp.supernews.com...
>
>> Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the following
>> serious problem.
>> Run the Internet Wizard, use manual as i already have an ISP.
>> Put i all parameters possible and then have to diddle modem for
>> 115Kbaud, max FIFO have to diddle dialing for always use area code
>> and some other diddling i do not remember to get the damn dialing to
>> work correctly.
>> *First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up, connect, etc.
>> **Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login (booting an
>> original 1980 IBMPC XT was faster).
>> So i am on the net (whoopee - except i am asleep due to long wait).
>> Close browser, disconnect.
>> Try IE again, same story.
>> Shut down, power off, power on, boot to Win98SE.
>> **Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling will fix it.
>> Wipe HD and try again.
>> Same sh*t.
>> Am getting pissed.
>> Any positive suggestins to *permenantly* fix these problems?
>
>
> Have you checked your ISPs support site to double check the settings
> are proper for their connection type?
>
I have neither problem on older configured drives.
The ISP has nothing to do with no auto dial-up...
 
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Robert Baer

thanatoid wrote:

> Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
> news:13j7j9b10do682a@corp.supernews.com:
>
>
>> Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the
>> following
>>serious problem.
>> Run the Internet Wizard, use manual as i already have an
>> ISP. Put i all parameters possible and then have to
>> diddle modem for
>>115Kbaud, max FIFO have to diddle dialing for always use
>>area code and some other diddling i do not remember to get
>>the damn dialing to work correctly.
>> *First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up,
>> connect, etc.
>>**Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login
>>(booting an original 1980 IBMPC XT was faster).
>> So i am on the net (whoopee - except i am asleep due to
>> long wait). Close browser, disconnect.
>> Try IE again, same story.
>> Shut down, power off, power on, boot to Win98SE.
>>**Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling
>>will fix it.
>> Wipe HD and try again.
>> Same sh*t.
>> Am getting pissed.
>> Any positive suggestins to *permenantly* fix these
>> problems?
>
>
> It's been a long time since I had to set anything up (I have
> been spoiled by Acronis True Image, a real life saver) but two
> of the main things I would imagine are causing your problems is
> a) using IE to establish the connection, rather than just having
> a properly-set up dial-up connection shortcut, which upon double
> clicking connects you and sits there waiting for you to start
> whatever internet application you want to use and b) using IE
> which messes with everything it can, changes settings however
> *it* wants to, and also lets everyone else in the world mess
> with your computer.
>
> You APPEAR to be using Netscape, I suggest Opera, see below. And
> WHY are you letting IE be in charge of the connection when you
> are obviously smart enough not to use it as a browser? I would
> suspect (I didn't look at your headers earlier, and I've been
> writing this for a while) that it's the conflict between IE
> wanting to be the default browser and changing settings which
> may be causing a considerable part of the problems.
>
> Remember, you have to properly set up the modem, the dial up
> connection, the network protocols (a few settings there are
> crucial for your security even if you don't use IE), etc. Most
> of this is in the Control Panel and the Wizard may or may not
> get you to make those settings the way they should be.
>
> Not a bad idea to reboot after every part of this is done, and
> save the registry before and after. Make a directory with
> subdirs for all the registry copies that will start
> accumulating.
>
> Checking with your provider is not a bad idea, there used to be
> a time ISP's gave you a disc and manual, I don't know whether
> you got one or not, but many ISP systems have small but possibly
> significant set-up differences. Anyway, you're their *customer*
> and it's their *job* to walk you through this when necessary.
>
> If the ISP tech support doesn't make all this work, I would
> Google a bit, there are MANY sites which explain this entire
> long and painful process very thoroughly and make it fairly
> easy. (Might also consider switching providers if they're
> jerks.)
>
> I would also suggest you get Opera, www.oldversion.com, the new
> versions may not run that well on a (presumably) older machine.
> I use 7.23 on this 166MHz w/96RAM, works fine.
>
> Another GREAT browser if you like fast as hell, totally safe and
> simple, and don't care about Flash and Java is at
> www.offbyone.com
Oh, i do use solution (a) as a way of getting on the net (mainly) for
updating my AVG.
But launching IE or NS (or FireFox) is *supposed* to automatically
run the dial-up/logon program.
So what the he** di i do to force that to happen *AND* make it stay
that way?
Since this is a new configuration, i have yet to load another
browser wanted to check operation before going any further.
You are right about the "Wizard" it does not allow one to set all
that is needed - hence the fiddling.

"OffByOne" sounds neat...a few questions:
With NS7.2, there are some sites that are browser hostile in that
they cause the computer to freeze - - and some lock the computer that i
hace to unplug it (but IE works with them).
What does OffByOne do with those &#^$&*^#$ sites?
 
R

Robert Baer

dadiOH wrote:

> Robert Baer wrote:
>
>> Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the following
>>serious problem.
>> Run the Internet Wizard, use manual as i already have an ISP.
>> Put i all parameters possible and then have to diddle modem for
>>115Kbaud, max FIFO have to diddle dialing for always use area
>>code and some other diddling i do not remember to get the damn
>>dialing to work correctly.
>> *First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up, connect,
>>etc.
>>**Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login (booting an
>>original 1980 IBMPC XT was faster).
>> So i am on the net (whoopee - except i am asleep due to long
>> wait). Close browser, disconnect.
>> Try IE again, same story.
>> Shut down, power off, power on, boot to Win98SE.
>>**Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling will fix it.
>> Wipe HD and try again.
>> Same sh*t.
>> Am getting pissed.
>> Any positive suggestins to *permenantly* fix these problems?
>
>
> 1. I have installed lots of modems (they were always getting zapped
> by lightning) but I have never had the need to fiddle with their
> properties. Stick it in, boot windows, point it to any needed modem
> software on the CD.
** The "wizard" automatically sets data rate to 9600 so one must alter
that to 15K for full possible speed (modem itself does not get changed).
Dialing properties - also needs fiddling as for a local call here,
one must dial the area code.

>
> 2. My ISPs always had local numbers to dial. Yours doesn't? If not,
> I hope it is a toll free long distance call else it is going to get
> expensive. IOW, I never set dialer to use area code, just entered the
> correct local number(s).
** Qwest here has configured their crap to force everyone to dial the
area code for local calls.

>
> 3. I'd always check the properties of the connectoid for the ISP to
> assure that it was set on the server tab to use TCP/IP. Easiest to
> get to it in WinExplorer>Dial-Up Networking. I often made a shortcut
> to the connectoid and put it somewhere handy so I could use it to
> connect manually whenever I wished i.e., without the necessity of a
> program requesting it. I suppose (never tried it) it could be put in
> the Programs/StartUp folder so that a connection would be established
> automatically when booting.
** Yup! Even the wizard gets that correct.

>
> 4. Also in WinExplorer>DUN, Connections, Settings set it to "Don't
> prompt to use Dial-Up Networking". Configure other settings there to
> your liking.
** Hmmm..did not know about that - will check.
Thanks.

>
> 5. In Control Panel, Internet Options, Connections set your ISP as
> default (if not already) and tick "Always dial my default connection".
** Have only one connection and the "always dial" is enabled.

> ______________
>
> You should now be able to connect automatically whenever you click on
> anything that requires a connection...a Favorite, mail program,
> browser, hot link in an email, program, whatever. Nothing is going to
> shorten the 20-30 second time period the connectoid takes to connect
> (other than getting broadband).
>
>
** I disagree about the long time period, as one of my drives,
configured ages ago, takes less than a second.
 
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Brian A.

"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:13j9cutrv9i2h09@corp.supernews.com...
> Brian A. wrote:
>
>> "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:13j7j9b10do682a@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>> Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the following serious
>>> problem.
>>> Run the Internet Wizard, use manual as i already have an ISP.
>>> Put i all parameters possible and then have to diddle modem for 115Kbaud, max
>>> FIFO have to diddle dialing for always use area code and some other diddling i
>>> do not remember to get the damn dialing to work correctly.
>>> *First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up, connect, etc.
>>> **Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login (booting an original
>>> 1980 IBMPC XT was faster).
>>> So i am on the net (whoopee - except i am asleep due to long wait).
>>> Close browser, disconnect.
>>> Try IE again, same story.
>>> Shut down, power off, power on, boot to Win98SE.
>>> **Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling will fix it.
>>> Wipe HD and try again.
>>> Same sh*t.
>>> Am getting pissed.
>>> Any positive suggestins to *permenantly* fix these problems?
>>
>>
>> Have you checked your ISPs support site to double check the settings are proper
>> for their connection type?
>>
> I have neither problem on older configured drives.
> The ISP has nothing to do with no auto dial-up...

You stated:
<quote>
First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up, connect, etc.
Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login
and then
Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling will fix it.
</quote>

If your configuration settings don't match what the ISP suggests to use, you're
correct that the ISP has nothing to do with no auto dialup, it's all on you.
Good Luck.

--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
M

MEB

Did you install the DUN update, and did you run through the full setup for
your ISP connection?

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http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:13j9eco9svjvpe5@corp.supernews.com...
| dadiOH wrote:
|
| > Robert Baer wrote:
| >
| >> Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the following
| >>serious problem.
| >> Run the Internet Wizard, use manual as i already have an ISP.
| >> Put i all parameters possible and then have to diddle modem for
| >>115Kbaud, max FIFO have to diddle dialing for always use area
| >>code and some other diddling i do not remember to get the damn
| >>dialing to work correctly.
| >> *First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up, connect,
| >>etc.
| >>**Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login (booting an
| >>original 1980 IBMPC XT was faster).
| >> So i am on the net (whoopee - except i am asleep due to long
| >> wait). Close browser, disconnect.
| >> Try IE again, same story.
| >> Shut down, power off, power on, boot to Win98SE.
| >>**Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling will fix it.
| >> Wipe HD and try again.
| >> Same sh*t.
| >> Am getting pissed.
| >> Any positive suggestins to *permenantly* fix these problems?
| >
| >
| > 1. I have installed lots of modems (they were always getting zapped
| > by lightning) but I have never had the need to fiddle with their
| > properties. Stick it in, boot windows, point it to any needed modem
| > software on the CD.
| ** The "wizard" automatically sets data rate to 9600 so one must alter
| that to 15K for full possible speed (modem itself does not get changed).
| Dialing properties - also needs fiddling as for a local call here,
| one must dial the area code.
|
| >
| > 2. My ISPs always had local numbers to dial. Yours doesn't? If not,
| > I hope it is a toll free long distance call else it is going to get
| > expensive. IOW, I never set dialer to use area code, just entered the
| > correct local number(s).
| ** Qwest here has configured their crap to force everyone to dial the
| area code for local calls.
|
| >
| > 3. I'd always check the properties of the connectoid for the ISP to
| > assure that it was set on the server tab to use TCP/IP. Easiest to
| > get to it in WinExplorer>Dial-Up Networking. I often made a shortcut
| > to the connectoid and put it somewhere handy so I could use it to
| > connect manually whenever I wished i.e., without the necessity of a
| > program requesting it. I suppose (never tried it) it could be put in
| > the Programs/StartUp folder so that a connection would be established
| > automatically when booting.
| ** Yup! Even the wizard gets that correct.
|
| >
| > 4. Also in WinExplorer>DUN, Connections, Settings set it to "Don't
| > prompt to use Dial-Up Networking". Configure other settings there to
| > your liking.
| ** Hmmm..did not know about that - will check.
| Thanks.
|
| >
| > 5. In Control Panel, Internet Options, Connections set your ISP as
| > default (if not already) and tick "Always dial my default connection".
| ** Have only one connection and the "always dial" is enabled.
|
| > ______________
| >
| > You should now be able to connect automatically whenever you click on
| > anything that requires a connection...a Favorite, mail program,
| > browser, hot link in an email, program, whatever. Nothing is going to
| > shorten the 20-30 second time period the connectoid takes to connect
| > (other than getting broadband).
| >
| >
| ** I disagree about the long time period, as one of my drives,
| configured ages ago, takes less than a second.
 
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thanatoid

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
news:13j9dm8drtep304@corp.supernews.com:

<SNIP>

> But launching IE or NS (or FireFox) is *supposed* to
> automatically
> run the dial-up/logon program.

I believe that is an option for both, and I would turn that
option OFF. Like I said, I suspect it may be causing some of
your problems, and also, what's one extra step? Also, even
though no one else in the house would even know how to turn on
my computers, I have a BIOS password and a DUN password which
have to be entered manually. The first person who taught me
computers told me that was a smart thing to do, and I have gone
with that since.

> "OffByOne" sounds neat...a few questions:
> With NS7.2, there are some sites that are browser
> hostile in that
> they cause the computer to freeze - - and some lock the
> computer that i hace to unplug it (but IE works with them).
> What does OffByOne do with those &#^$&*^#$ sites?

The WWW is becoming a bigger and bigger mess... what happened to
the good old times when all web pages had the htm(l) extension?
Microsoft now has their OWN page extension (mspx or something).
Hooray for the standards!

There are many complaints floating around how MS inserts code
into Front Page-built sites which makes them display JUST RIGHT
only on IE, and either with things slightly off or just wrong on
other browsers, including even crashing in some browsers. Etc.
(That MAY be one reason why Opera has an "identify as" option.)

And I HAVE read about people "not seeing pages display right"
even in IE. With OB1 all that largely does not even enter the
picture since it is such a basic browser. It gives you the
content with no eye trash, and faster than ANY other browser.
I'm sure finicky and arrogant "web designers/artists" HATE OB1
(if they've ever heard of it) but that's exactly why *I* love
it.

Anyway... OB1 is only a 1 or 1.5 MB DL, just DL and try it. My
guess is that it will either show "page info" which will
probably show the page as all Java and flash-based, or it will
just show the background image and nothing else.

I often use the Ctl-A to see all the text on the page just in
case some genius decides to make it wine red on dark brown, OR
sometimes when it just does not appear. This happens not just
with OB1, but since I know OB1's limitations (although in
general I consider them advantages), I use the Ctl-A fairly
often when something does not read quite "right".

The only pages which I personally visit which "kind of" work but
DO sometimes crash OB1 are Amazon. Those pages are so loaded
with junk, the program just can't handle it. That MAY have to do
more with my 10 year old computer than OB1 though :)

Although I HAVE run up to ten instances of OB1 on my 166MHz
machine, and as long as Amazon was not one of them, no problem.
The new version has tabs, but I still prefer a separate window
personally.

Another thing - when in Amazon you click on "show larger image"
on a CD page, nothing happens - OB1 does not do Java (hence no
popups, redirects, etc. - while in Opera it works just fine -
BUT the image can not be saved, you have to get it from the
Opera cache. I have noticed a lot of sites do this recently. I
guess they are counting on people not knowing anything about the
cache.)

Cduniverse.com does not use Java for "full image" and it saves
fine even in OB1. Nor does CDUniverse crash OB1, and the images
WILL also save in Opera if you want them to. I guess I'm just
plugging CDUniverse - it is a fantastic store. I still get books
from amazon, but CDUniverse is IT.

Sorry.

I just wanted to mention that OB1 has many great hidden features
- which unfortunately do NOT include anything which could be
called documentation or even basic help.

It does not do the ftp protocol, so some dl's have to be done
with an FTP program or Opera or whatever (I use FileHound 1.2,
GREAT little dl manager). BUT when the dl is from an http
address, pressing Win-X in OB1 will show you exactly how much
has DL'd in bytes. And a bunch of other little really nice
features. I have NEVER had an OB1 DL "break", either.

I know there are many other features which I just haven't
discovered yet. In fact I am almost sure that it COULD do swf
files (it has an "enable external players" option but NO info on
how to set up the paths in the ini file etc) and the
larger/smaller font size right on the main toolbar is also
another really nice detail. And "do not send referrer heading"
as a basic option is also quite thoughtful.

Just yesterday (I don't know WHY I never noticed it before) I
found an "image size zoom" function, not unlike Opera, except in
OB1 it ONLY affects images, which is NOT a bad idea at all.
Sometimes when you set the page zoom to 20 or even 50% in Opera
to see the whole thing, you can't READ anything!

Blah blah blah...
 
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Robert Baer

Brian A. wrote:

> "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:13j9cutrv9i2h09@corp.supernews.com...
>
>> Brian A. wrote:
>>
>>> "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:13j7j9b10do682a@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>> Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the following
>>>> serious problem.
>>>> Run the Internet Wizard, use manual as i already have an ISP.
>>>> Put i all parameters possible and then have to diddle modem for
>>>> 115Kbaud, max FIFO have to diddle dialing for always use area code
>>>> and some other diddling i do not remember to get the damn dialing to
>>>> work correctly.
>>>> *First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up, connect, etc.
>>>> **Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login (booting an
>>>> original 1980 IBMPC XT was faster).
>>>> So i am on the net (whoopee - except i am asleep due to long wait).
>>>> Close browser, disconnect.
>>>> Try IE again, same story.
>>>> Shut down, power off, power on, boot to Win98SE.
>>>> **Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling will fix it.
>>>> Wipe HD and try again.
>>>> Same sh*t.
>>>> Am getting pissed.
>>>> Any positive suggestins to *permenantly* fix these problems?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you checked your ISPs support site to double check the settings
>>> are proper for their connection type?
>>>
>> I have neither problem on older configured drives.
>> The ISP has nothing to do with no auto dial-up...
>
>
> You stated:
> <quote>
> First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up, connect, etc.
> Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login
> and then
> Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling will fix it.
> </quote>
>
> If your configuration settings don't match what the ISP suggests to
> use, you're correct that the ISP has nothing to do with no auto dialup,
> it's all on you.
> Good Luck.
>
Foistly, i do not like waiting ages for "handshaking" or whatever
after dial-up i have another HD configured ages ago that takes less
than a second to let one use the internet (after dialing and connect).
And the ISP is not relevant, as this happens across three different ISPs.

Secondly, after installing Win98SE on a blank HD, the auto dial-up
works - but all i have to do is shut down, power back up and NO GO.
Again, that other HD does not have either problem.

Would like fixes for both problems.
 
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Robert Baer

MEB wrote:

> Did you install the DUN update, and did you run through the full setup for
> your ISP connection?
>
What DUN update?
The HD where all was configured ages ago does not have either problem
and has never seen any "update".
I am trying to configure a new HD and am getting nothing but
unacceptable operation as mentioned.
 
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Robert Baer

thanatoid wrote:

> Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
> news:13j9dm8drtep304@corp.supernews.com:
>
> <SNIP>
>
>> But launching IE or NS (or FireFox) is *supposed* to
>> automatically
>>run the dial-up/logon program.
>
>
> I believe that is an option for both, and I would turn that
> option OFF. Like I said, I suspect it may be causing some of
> your problems, and also, what's one extra step? Also, even
> though no one else in the house would even know how to turn on
> my computers, I have a BIOS password and a DUN password which
> have to be entered manually. The first person who taught me
> computers told me that was a smart thing to do, and I have gone
> with that since.
** "Option"? Where?

>
>
>> "OffByOne" sounds neat...a few questions:
>> With NS7.2, there are some sites that are browser
>> hostile in that
>>they cause the computer to freeze - - and some lock the
>>computer that i hace to unplug it (but IE works with them).
>> What does OffByOne do with those &#^$&*^#$ sites?
>
>
> The WWW is becoming a bigger and bigger mess... what happened to
> the good old times when all web pages had the htm(l) extension?
> Microsoft now has their OWN page extension (mspx or something).
> Hooray for the standards!
** Yes i think it was in the late 1700s or 1800s that the French had
well over 100 differnt "standard" screw types..
Meaning M$ can screw anyone at any time for any reason.

>
> There are many complaints floating around how MS inserts code
> into Front Page-built sites which makes them display JUST RIGHT
> only on IE, and either with things slightly off or just wrong on
> other browsers, including even crashing in some browsers. Etc.
> (That MAY be one reason why Opera has an "identify as" option.)
>
> And I HAVE read about people "not seeing pages display right"
> even in IE. With OB1 all that largely does not even enter the
> picture since it is such a basic browser. It gives you the
> content with no eye trash, and faster than ANY other browser.
> I'm sure finicky and arrogant "web designers/artists" HATE OB1
> (if they've ever heard of it) but that's exactly why *I* love
> it.
>
> Anyway... OB1 is only a 1 or 1.5 MB DL, just DL and try it. My
> guess is that it will either show "page info" which will
> probably show the page as all Java and flash-based, or it will
> just show the background image and nothing else.
** Have downloaded it refreshing to see a program less than 200
Terror-Bytes on 10^3 DVDs (exaggerating some here).

>
> I often use the Ctl-A to see all the text on the page just in
> case some genius decides to make it wine red on dark brown, OR
> sometimes when it just does not appear. This happens not just
> with OB1, but since I know OB1's limitations (although in
> general I consider them advantages), I use the Ctl-A fairly
> often when something does not read quite "right".
>
> The only pages which I personally visit which "kind of" work but
> DO sometimes crash OB1 are Amazon. Those pages are so loaded
> with junk, the program just can't handle it. That MAY have to do
> more with my 10 year old computer than OB1 though :)
>
> Although I HAVE run up to ten instances of OB1 on my 166MHz
> machine, and as long as Amazon was not one of them, no problem.
> The new version has tabs, but I still prefer a separate window
> personally.
>
> Another thing - when in Amazon you click on "show larger image"
> on a CD page, nothing happens - OB1 does not do Java (hence no
> popups, redirects, etc. - while in Opera it works just fine -
> BUT the image can not be saved, you have to get it from the
> Opera cache. I have noticed a lot of sites do this recently. I
> guess they are counting on people not knowing anything about the
> cache.)
>
> Cduniverse.com does not use Java for "full image" and it saves
> fine even in OB1. Nor does CDUniverse crash OB1, and the images
> WILL also save in Opera if you want them to. I guess I'm just
> plugging CDUniverse - it is a fantastic store. I still get books
> from amazon, but CDUniverse is IT.
>
> Sorry.
>
> I just wanted to mention that OB1 has many great hidden features
> - which unfortunately do NOT include anything which could be
> called documentation or even basic help.
** Well, M$ "help" was never useful, from thwe 1980s to present.
Better to not have "help" than have something *called* help that does
not.

>
> It does not do the ftp protocol, so some dl's have to be done
> with an FTP program or Opera or whatever (I use FileHound 1.2,
> GREAT little dl manager). BUT when the dl is from an http
> address, pressing Win-X in OB1 will show you exactly how much
> has DL'd in bytes. And a bunch of other little really nice
> features. I have NEVER had an OB1 DL "break", either.
>
> I know there are many other features which I just haven't
> discovered yet. In fact I am almost sure that it COULD do swf
> files (it has an "enable external players" option but NO info on
> how to set up the paths in the ini file etc) and the
> larger/smaller font size right on the main toolbar is also
> another really nice detail. And "do not send referrer heading"
> as a basic option is also quite thoughtful.
>
> Just yesterday (I don't know WHY I never noticed it before) I
> found an "image size zoom" function, not unlike Opera, except in
> OB1 it ONLY affects images, which is NOT a bad idea at all.
> Sometimes when you set the page zoom to 20 or even 50% in Opera
> to see the whole thing, you can't READ anything!
>
> Blah blah blah...
Thanks for the comments appreciate it.
 
D

dadiOH

Robert Baer wrote:

>> Nothing is
>> going to shorten the 20-30 second time period the connectoid takes
>> to connect (other than getting broadband).
>>
>>
> ** I disagree about the long time period, as one of my drives,
> configured ages ago, takes less than a second.

The connectoid can't even *DIAL* in a second let alone connect. We
seem to have different ideas of what "connect" means.

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thanatoid

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
news:13jaqhlsu4his8d@corp.supernews.com:

> thanatoid wrote:
>
>> Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
>> news:13j9dm8drtep304@corp.supernews.com:

<SNIP>

> ** "Option"? Where?

Since I don't have either, I can't tell you, but you will find
it when you look for it. Check "index" or "search" in the help
files, maybe.

<SNIP>

> Thanks for the comments appreciate it.

My pleasure.
 
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Robert Baer

dadiOH wrote:

> Robert Baer wrote:
>
>
>>>Nothing is
>>>going to shorten the 20-30 second time period the connectoid takes
>>>to connect (other than getting broadband).
>>>
>>>
>>
>>** I disagree about the long time period, as one of my drives,
>>configured ages ago, takes less than a second.
>
>
> The connectoid can't even *DIAL* in a second let alone connect. We
> seem to have different ideas of what "connect" means.
>
OK more precisely, once it has dialed and the other end picked up
the line, *then* the timing can begin to the moment that the
dual-monitor icon shows in the tray (ie whenone can use the net).
With my "old" HD config, that time is a second or less with the
"new" HD, it is a looooooooooooooong time (could boot an original IBM PC
XT in similar time).
 
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Robert Baer

thanatoid wrote:

> Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
> news:13jaqhlsu4his8d@corp.supernews.com:
>
>
>>thanatoid wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
>>>news:13j9dm8drtep304@corp.supernews.com:
>
>
> <SNIP>
>
>>** "Option"? Where?
>
>
> Since I don't have either, I can't tell you, but you will find
> it when you look for it. Check "index" or "search" in the help
> files, maybe.
>
> <SNIP>
>
>> Thanks for the comments appreciate it.
>
>
> My pleasure.
I have also installed OB1 and Firefox.
They *both* will launch the connectoid - even after re-booting.
So there is a problem with IE (so what else is new?) in that regard.
Seems i need to fiddle with an IE setting somewhere, but what / where?
*****
Did not check to see if OB1 showed favicons or not.
Looks like it does not do the following:
a) "resize" pictures according to HTML code
b) does not always place pictures according to HTML code
c) run javascript
d) do frames
As a result, some sites are fairly well trashed, some more than others.
Try GoDaddy (partly trashed).
BUT it is fast as all get-out!
 
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Robert Baer

Re: Win98SE config probs SOLVED

Robert Baer wrote:
> Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the following
> serious problem.
> Run the Internet Wizard, use manual as i already have an ISP.
> Put i all parameters possible and then have to diddle modem for
> 115Kbaud, max FIFO have to diddle dialing for always use area code and
> some other diddling i do not remember to get the damn dialing to work
> correctly.
> *First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up, connect, etc.
> **Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login (booting an
> original 1980 IBMPC XT was faster).
> So i am on the net (whoopee - except i am asleep due to long wait).
> Close browser, disconnect.
> Try IE again, same story.
> Shut down, power off, power on, boot to Win98SE.
> **Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling will fix it.
> Wipe HD and try again.
> Same sh*t.
> Am getting pissed.
> Any positive suggestins to *permenantly* fix these problems?
This what my ISP suggested (and worked):
* For speed-up of "handshake":
1) Use DialUpNetworking and delete connection icon
2) Click/select Start then Run and enter inetwiz
3) Configure the connection
4) Use DialUpNetworking and in Server Types, have *only* TCP/IP checked
* For IE to automatically dial *every* time:
1) Right click IE icon, select Properties
2) Select Advanced tab and near bottom of window, click Restore Defaults
3) Select Connections tab and verify selection of "always dial..."
4) Click on Apply before exiting.

Thought that this maybe of help to others.
 
A

Angel

Hi,

You said that you never had to use the Area Code. Well, in my area, we have
to dial the area code to call anyone on the telephone with the same area
code, even next door! Not long distance, local calls!! We have had to do
this for a very long time. There are 2 area codes in this town!

So, if we use dial up, we have to put in the area code also. You dial all 10
numbers here. Just FYI!

Angel

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
news:upl9mCsIIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
: Robert Baer wrote:
: > Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the following
: > serious problem.
: > Run the Internet Wizard, use manual as i already have an ISP.
: > Put i all parameters possible and then have to diddle modem for
: > 115Kbaud, max FIFO have to diddle dialing for always use area
: > code and some other diddling i do not remember to get the damn
: > dialing to work correctly.
: > *First* time, IE does automatically "launch" dial-up, connect,
: > etc.
: > **Problem #1: Absolutely hate it taking forever to login (booting an
: > original 1980 IBMPC XT was faster).
: > So i am on the net (whoopee - except i am asleep due to long
: > wait). Close browser, disconnect.
: > Try IE again, same story.
: > Shut down, power off, power on, boot to Win98SE.
: > **Problem #2: Try IS and *NO* auto dial-up no fiddling will fix it.
: > Wipe HD and try again.
: > Same sh*t.
: > Am getting pissed.
: > Any positive suggestins to *permenantly* fix these problems?
:
: 1. I have installed lots of modems (they were always getting zapped
: by lightning) but I have never had the need to fiddle with their
: properties. Stick it in, boot windows, point it to any needed modem
: software on the CD.
:
: 2. My ISPs always had local numbers to dial. Yours doesn't? If not,
: I hope it is a toll free long distance call else it is going to get
: expensive. IOW, I never set dialer to use area code, just entered the
: correct local number(s).
:
: 3. I'd always check the properties of the connectoid for the ISP to
: assure that it was set on the server tab to use TCP/IP. Easiest to
: get to it in WinExplorer>Dial-Up Networking. I often made a shortcut
: to the connectoid and put it somewhere handy so I could use it to
: connect manually whenever I wished i.e., without the necessity of a
: program requesting it. I suppose (never tried it) it could be put in
: the Programs/StartUp folder so that a connection would be established
: automatically when booting.
:
: 4. Also in WinExplorer>DUN, Connections, Settings set it to "Don't
: prompt to use Dial-Up Networking". Configure other settings there to
: your liking.
:
: 5. In Control Panel, Internet Options, Connections set your ISP as
: default (if not already) and tick "Always dial my default connection".
: ______________
:
: You should now be able to connect automatically whenever you click on
: anything that requires a connection...a Favorite, mail program,
: browser, hot link in an email, program, whatever. Nothing is going to
: shorten the 20-30 second time period the connectoid takes to connect
: (other than getting broadband).
:
:
: --
:
: dadiOH
: ____________________________
:
: dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
: ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
: LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
: Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
:
:
:
 
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MEB

Re: Win98SE config probs SOLVED

"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:13jcc94742bqbdb@corp.supernews.com...
| Robert Baer wrote:
| > Am trying to config Win98SE from scratch and have the following
| > serious problem.

DUN configuration - IE disconnect issues - loss of dialup connection
settings

| This what my ISP suggested (and worked):
| * For speed-up of "handshake":
| 1) Use DialUpNetworking and delete connection icon
| 2) Click/select Start then Run and enter inetwiz
| 3) Configure the connection
| 4) Use DialUpNetworking and in Server Types, have *only* TCP/IP checked
| * For IE to automatically dial *every* time:
| 1) Right click IE icon, select Properties
| 2) Select Advanced tab and near bottom of window, click Restore Defaults
| 3) Select Connections tab and verify selection of "always dial..."
| 4) Click on Apply before exiting.
|
| Thought that this maybe of help to others.

Thanks for the update, and a reminder of one of the potential fixes.
If you haven't updated SE fully, make sure you do.

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