Burning CD's is a HUGE HASSLE

[Bill in Co.]

Also, you should try the windows multimedia newsgroup(s), which are more
appropriate for this.

lavron@altavista.com wrote:
> On Nov 27, 8:55 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
>> "Bob Harris" <rharris270[SPAM]@hotmail.com> wrote
>> innews:#PAIBeUMIHA.2432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> CD burning can be a hassle, or it can be a breeze.
>>
>> <about 180 lines INCLUDING the OP snipped>
>>
>> I myself don't always, and sometimes regret it, but sometimes
>> you just never know. In this case, you really *should* have at
>> least looked at the dates.
>>
>> I am personally rather upset by the fact that I and several
>> other people (you included) have wasted a GOOD amount of time
>> replying to Mr. Walker who, by all appearances, has, after
>> reading the first 2 replies, decided he will forget about the
>> whole thing and just use his external Iomega unit as a CD
>> player. Or worse, and frankly, hard to imagine but /possible/,
>> has just decided he will sulk and not say another word and/or
>> possibly never ask for "help" again.
>>
>> I have gotten used to hardly anyone thanking others for advice,
>> which can be annoying, especially when someone has provided a
>> long reply - as you all know, they don't exactly write
>> themselves! - but this takes it to another level.
>>
>> It has actually made me really wonder about "participating"
>> (whether I actually "know" anything helpful or not is another
>> matter, thank you Gary
>>
>> I OFTEN think about the psychology of the average (is there such
>> a beast?) "help group" respondent (the average poster, of late
>> anyway, appears to be an arrogant clueless GG'r who is too lazy
>> or stupid to do a web search).
>>
>> t.
>
>
> I hope I can somewhat reduce your frustrations. I want you to know
> that I greatly appreciate the advice you and other respondents provide
> in this thread. Thank you all very much.
>
> I am a novice when it comes to CD/DVD recording. I found it hard to
> obtain useful information. This thread, which I encountered by chance,
> is god sent. It provides a lot of answers to my questions, as well as
> the perspective of the experienced, and also differences in opinions.
> Great. It is likely to dramatically reduce my learning curve.
>
> I also want to thank you for your reference to www.cdrfaq.org and to
> www.goldenhawk.com, which I was not aware of prior to reading this
> thread. The former provides plenty of information, and the latter
> offers software worth considering against the more common competition.
>
> I hope that you and other respondents can answer those questions of
> mine which are still remain unanswered. I would like to be able to
> record, on a single CD in one recording run, a number of audio musical
> pieces, followed by a number of computer software files. I want the
> audio to be playable by a CD player with the ability to select at
> random any recorded musical piece. The files should, of course, be
> readable by a computer with the respective software. I have just
> received an E-mail message from a Nero Support representative telling
> me Nero provides such capability under the name CDExtra. My questions:
>
> 1) Does Golden Hawk software provide such capability?
>
> 2) If CD-R(W) is better for audio recording and CD+R(W) is better for
> computer data, which one is better for audio and data on one CD disk?
>
> With many, many thanks in advance

 

[Bill in Co.]

Found it: microsoft.public.win98.multimedia

> Also, you should try the windows multimedia newsgroup(s), which are more
> appropriate for this.
>
> lavron@altavista.com wrote:
>> On Nov 27, 8:55 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
>>> "Bob Harris" <rharris270[SPAM]@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> innews:#PAIBeUMIHA.2432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

 

[lavron@altavista.com]

On Nov 29, 8:47 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
> lav...@altavista.com wrote innews:95fcd955-b38c-47c4-86df-962a71e659b2@d27g2000prf.googlegr
> oups.com:
>
> <SNIP>
>
> Thank you, it was very nice to read what you said. I still
> wonder about Mr. Walker.

Further down your post you ask: why bother? Here I am asking you the
same question. Why bother, and waste your emotions and energy on
someone who does not have the decency to thank you for your help?

[... snip ...]

>
> MY question is, why bother? CD-R's are less than a quarter. Make
> a music CD-R (i.e. with WAV format files) and make another CD-R
> with your computer data files, Makes no sense (to me) to mix
> them, although it CAN be done.

You would be right if saving money is the only concern. It is not.
There are organizational advantages in keeping interrelated data
together, on a single disk if at all possible. It saves a lot of
headache in the long run.

>
> > 2) If CD-R(W) is better for audio recording and CD+R(W) is
> > better for computer data, which one is better for audio and
> > data on one CD disk?
>
> There ARE no CD-R(W) and CD+R(W).

I used the notation CD-R(W) and CD+R(W) as an abbreviation for CD-R or
CD-RW and CD+R or CD+RW respectively. I guess I was wrong in assuming
that the abbreviation is self explanatory. A number of internet sites
of vendors selling CDs and DVDs put the "+" and the "-" in separate
categories, suggesting that the difference is significant. As a
result, the question which is adequate for a specific application
comes to mind.

[... snip ...]

>
> Regards and thanks again for your kind comments.
> t.

You are very welcome and thanks again for your explanations.

 

[lavron@altavista.com]

On Nov 29, 11:35 pm, "Bill in Co." <not_really_h...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Found it: microsoft.public.win98.multimedia
>
>
>
> > Also, you should try the windows multimedia newsgroup(s), which are more
> > appropriate for this.
>


[...snip...]


Thank you very much. As I mention in my first post, I encountered this
thread by chance, and when I found valuable discussions in it I joined
in. I will follow your suggestion to look at the newsgroup you found
for me,
namely, microsoft.public.win98.multimedia .

Thanks again

 

[thanatoid]

lavron@altavista.com wrote in
news:a31bf941-93a3-458c-87ef-bfaa24af7911@d4g2000prg.googlegro
ups.com:

<SNIP>

>> MY question is, why bother? CD-R's are less than a
>> quarter. Make a music CD-R (i.e. with WAV format files)
>> and make another CD-R with your computer data files, Makes
>> no sense (to me) to mix them, although it CAN be done.
>
> You would be right if saving money is the only concern. It
> is not. There are organizational advantages in keeping
> interrelated data together, on a single disk if at all
> possible. It saves a lot of headache in the long run.

Well, I said it made no sense to ME. One of the things about
computers that I think a lot of people like is that you can make
them do things YOUR way, and obviously this makes sense to YOU
and that's what matters to YOU, i.e. that's all that matters on
your end.

{Actually, I CAN think of some stuff I would "mix" as well (for
instance biographical txt and image stuff with the music by the
same artist) but so far I just keep all the non-music stuff on
the HD... It's all easily replaceable with the abundance of web
info.}

>> > 2) If CD-R(W) is better for audio recording and CD+R(W)
>> > is better for computer data, which one is better for
>> > audio and data on one CD disk?
>>
>> There ARE no CD-R(W) and CD+R(W).
>
> I used the notation CD-R(W) and CD+R(W) as an abbreviation
> for CD-R or CD-RW and CD+R or CD+RW respectively.

There ARE no CD-R or CD-RW and CD+R or CD+RW discs.

There are CD-R's and CD-RW's. Period.

There ARE DVD-R's, DVD+R's, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, DVD-RAM, and
possibly several other formats. I don't know them offhand since
I do not have a DVD burner. Organising/searching through 700 MB
at a time is QUITE enough hassle for me -) even with good
cataloguing software.

>I guess I
> was wrong in assuming that the abbreviation is self
> explanatory. A number of internet sites of vendors selling
> CDs and DVDs put the "+" and the "-" in separate
> categories, suggesting that the difference is significant.

Look carefully. These categories ONLY exist in the DVD sections.
There ARE no + or - CD discs.

> As a result, the question which is adequate for a specific
> application comes to mind.

Yes, with DVD's ONLY.

Regards
t.

 

[pjp]

<lavron@altavista.com> wrote in message
news:95fcd955-b38c-47c4-86df-962a71e659b2@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 27, 8:55 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
> > "Bob Harris" <rharris270[SPAM]@hotmail.com> wrote
innews:#PAIBeUMIHA.2432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
> >
> > > CD burning can be a hassle, or it can be a breeze.
> >
> > <about 180 lines INCLUDING the OP snipped>
> >
> > I myself don't always, and sometimes regret it, but sometimes
> > you just never know. In this case, you really *should* have at
> > least looked at the dates.
> >
> > I am personally rather upset by the fact that I and several
> > other people (you included) have wasted a GOOD amount of time
> > replying to Mr. Walker who, by all appearances, has, after
> > reading the first 2 replies, decided he will forget about the
> > whole thing and just use his external Iomega unit as a CD
> > player. Or worse, and frankly, hard to imagine but /possible/,
> > has just decided he will sulk and not say another word and/or
> > possibly never ask for "help" again.
> >
> > I have gotten used to hardly anyone thanking others for advice,
> > which can be annoying, especially when someone has provided a
> > long reply - as you all know, they don't exactly write
> > themselves! - but this takes it to another level.
> >
> > It has actually made me really wonder about "participating"
> > (whether I actually "know" anything helpful or not is another
> > matter, thank you Gary
> >
> > I OFTEN think about the psychology of the average (is there such
> > a beast?) "help group" respondent (the average poster, of late
> > anyway, appears to be an arrogant clueless GG'r who is too lazy
> > or stupid to do a web search).
> >
> > t.
>
>
> I hope I can somewhat reduce your frustrations. I want you to know
> that I greatly appreciate the advice you and other respondents provide
> in this thread. Thank you all very much.
>
> I am a novice when it comes to CD/DVD recording. I found it hard to
> obtain useful information. This thread, which I encountered by chance,
> is god sent. It provides a lot of answers to my questions, as well as
> the perspective of the experienced, and also differences in opinions.
> Great. It is likely to dramatically reduce my learning curve.
>
> I also want to thank you for your reference to www.cdrfaq.org and to
> www.goldenhawk.com, which I was not aware of prior to reading this
> thread. The former provides plenty of information, and the latter
> offers software worth considering against the more common competition.
>
> I hope that you and other respondents can answer those questions of
> mine which are still remain unanswered. I would like to be able to
> record, on a single CD in one recording run, a number of audio musical
> pieces, followed by a number of computer software files. I want the
> audio to be playable by a CD player with the ability to select at
> random any recorded musical piece. The files should, of course, be
> readable by a computer with the respective software. I have just
> received an E-mail message from a Nero Support representative telling
> me Nero provides such capability under the name CDExtra. My questions:
>
> 1) Does Golden Hawk software provide such capability?

I believe Golden Hawk does but it's not very straightforward compared to
full featured software such as Nero (as an example). I've found CDRWin fine
for copying cds and creating bin-cue files and I really like you can specify
it to retry read errors for those bad cds but even then I use Nero to burn a
cd with the bin-cue files CDRWin created.

There is no CD+ and CD- format, it's all CD-R or CD-RW (that's a hyphen not
a minus sign).

DVD's comes as DVD+R (& +RW) and DVD-R (& RW, that's a minus sign). DVD
drives vary in which format they can read although newer drives tend to read
(and burn) both. Home theatre stand alone players vary greatly in what
they'll deal with not only in format they'll read but also what they'll do
with what they find on the disk, e.g. play mp3's, wma's, display jpgs, etc.
etc.

The "W" for both CD and DVD means disk can be erased and reused, it's
re-writable.

You want to create what's called "Mixed Mode" cds, e.g. plays like a music
cd in a music cd player but a pc sees it as a data cd with some "extra
stuff" on it which BTW will not normally be accessable on the pc (the audio
cd tracks).

Yes, you can create the cd "manually" but me thinks using Nero or similar
that does all the nitty gritty for you is better way to go.



> 2) If CD-R(W) is better for audio recording and CD+R(W) is better for
> computer data, which one is better for audio and data on one CD disk?
>
> With many, many thanks in advance
>
>
>
>

 

[lavron@altavista.com]

On Nov 30, 7:35 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
> lav...@altavista.com wrote innews:a31bf941-93a3-458c-87ef-bfaa24af7911@d4g2000prg.googlegro
> ups.com:

[... snip ...]

>
> Look carefully. These categories ONLY exist in the DVD sections.
> There ARE no + or - CD discs.
>
> > As a result, the question which is adequate for a specific
> > application comes to mind.
>
> Yes, with DVD's ONLY.
>
> Regards
> t.

Yes, you are right. As a novice, I erroneously generalized from the
DVDs to the CDs. Thank you very much for correcting my mistake.

 

[lavron@altavista.com]

On Dec 1, 7:31 pm, "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_@_hotmail_._com>
wrote:
> <lav...@altavista.com> wrote in message
>
> news:95fcd955-b38c-47c4-86df-962a71e659b2@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...> On Nov 27, 8:55 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
> > > "Bob Harris" <rharris270[SPAM]@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> innews:#PAIBeUMIHA.2432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>

[... snip ...]

>
> > I hope that you and other respondents can answer those questions of
> > mine which are still remain unanswered. I would like to be able to
> > record, on a single CD in one recording run, a number of audio musical
> > pieces, followed by a number of computer software files. I want the
> > audio to be playable by a CD player with the ability to select at
> > random any recorded musical piece. The files should, of course, be
> > readable by a computer with the respective software. I have just
> > received an E-mail message from a Nero Support representative telling
> > me Nero provides such capability under the name CDExtra. My questions:
>
> > 1) Does Golden Hawk software provide such capability?
>
> I believe Golden Hawk does but it's not very straightforward compared to
> full featured software such as Nero (as an example). I've found CDRWin fine
> for copying cds and creating bin-cue files and I really like you can specify
> it to retry read errors for those bad cds but even then I use Nero to burn a
> cd with the bin-cue files CDRWin created.

Thank you very much for this valuable information.

>
> There is no CD+ and CD- format, it's all CD-R or CD-RW (that's a hyphen not
> a minus sign).
>

Yes, you are right. As a novice, I erroneously generalized from the
DVDs to the CDs. Thank you very much for correcting my mistake.

[... snip ...]

>
> You want to create what's called "Mixed Mode" cds, e.g. plays like a music
> cd in a music cd player but a pc sees it as a data cd with some "extra
> stuff" on it which BTW will not normally be accessable on the pc (the audio
> cd tracks).

With so much confusion in the terminology it is important to set the
concepts straight. The following is a quotation from the E-mail which
I received from Nero's support representative:

"CDExtra is a disc with Audio and Data. The audio will be burnt at
the start of the disc and the data behind the audio. It is possible to
play it on a CD-Player.

"MixedMode-CD is a disc with Data and Audio. It is inverted. The data
first the audio behind the data. It is impossible to play it on a cd-
player."

I do not know whether this terminology is general of specific to Nero.


[... snip ...]

 

[pjp]

<lavron@altavista.com> wrote in message
news:e4bac87e-e1e7-44a2-8b48-a5a68d7553a6@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 1, 7:31 pm, "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_@_hotmail_._com>
> wrote:
> > <lav...@altavista.com> wrote in message
> >
> >
news:95fcd955-b38c-47c4-86df-962a71e659b2@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...>
On Nov 27, 8:55 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
> > > > "Bob Harris" <rharris270[SPAM]@hotmail.com> wrote
> >
> > innews:#PAIBeUMIHA.2432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
> >
>
> [... snip ...]
>
> >
> > > I hope that you and other respondents can answer those questions of
> > > mine which are still remain unanswered. I would like to be able to
> > > record, on a single CD in one recording run, a number of audio musical
> > > pieces, followed by a number of computer software files. I want the
> > > audio to be playable by a CD player with the ability to select at
> > > random any recorded musical piece. The files should, of course, be
> > > readable by a computer with the respective software. I have just
> > > received an E-mail message from a Nero Support representative telling
> > > me Nero provides such capability under the name CDExtra. My questions:
> >
> > > 1) Does Golden Hawk software provide such capability?
> >
> > I believe Golden Hawk does but it's not very straightforward compared to
> > full featured software such as Nero (as an example). I've found CDRWin
fine
> > for copying cds and creating bin-cue files and I really like you can
specify
> > it to retry read errors for those bad cds but even then I use Nero to
burn a
> > cd with the bin-cue files CDRWin created.
>
> Thank you very much for this valuable information.
>
> >
> > There is no CD+ and CD- format, it's all CD-R or CD-RW (that's a hyphen
not
> > a minus sign).
> >
>
> Yes, you are right. As a novice, I erroneously generalized from the
> DVDs to the CDs. Thank you very much for correcting my mistake.
>
> [... snip ...]
>
> >
> > You want to create what's called "Mixed Mode" cds, e.g. plays like a
music
> > cd in a music cd player but a pc sees it as a data cd with some "extra
> > stuff" on it which BTW will not normally be accessable on the pc (the
audio
> > cd tracks).
>
> With so much confusion in the terminology it is important to set the
> concepts straight. The following is a quotation from the E-mail which
> I received from Nero's support representative:
>
> "CDExtra is a disc with Audio and Data. The audio will be burnt at
> the start of the disc and the data behind the audio. It is possible to
> play it on a CD-Player.
>
> "MixedMode-CD is a disc with Data and Audio. It is inverted. The data
> first the audio behind the data. It is impossible to play it on a cd-
> player."
>
> I do not know whether this terminology is general of specific to Nero.
>
>
> [... snip ...]
>

So you have some instructions from Nero support which I'd follow. Just use a
CD-RW for testing, e.g. create disk using one format and try it. If it don't
work, erase disk and try using the other format.

 

[thanatoid]

lavron@altavista.com wrote in
news:e4bac87e-e1e7-44a2-8b48-a5a68d7553a6@x69g2000hsx.googlegr
oups.com:

> On Dec 1, 7:31 pm, "pjp"
> <pjpoirier_is_located_at_@_hotmail_._com> wrote:
>> <lav...@altavista.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:95fcd955-b38c-47c4-86df-962a71e659b2@d27g2000prf.googl
>> egroups.com...> On Nov 27, 8:55 pm, thanatoid
>> <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
>> > > "Bob Harris" <rharris270[SPAM]@hotmail.com> wrote
>>
>> innews:#PAIBeUMIHA.2432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>>
>
> [... snip ...]
>
>>
>> > I hope that you and other respondents can answer those
>> > questions of mine which are still remain unanswered. I
>> > would like to be able to record, on a single CD in one
>> > recording run, a number of audio musical pieces,
>> > followed by a number of computer software files. I want
>> > the audio to be playable by a CD player with the ability
>> > to select at random any recorded musical piece. The
>> > files should, of course, be readable by a computer with
>> > the respective software. I have just received an E-mail
>> > message from a Nero Support representative telling
>> > me Nero provides such capability under the name CDExtra.
>> > My questions:
>>
>> > 1) Does Golden Hawk software provide such capability?
>>
>> I believe Golden Hawk does but it's not very
>> straightforward compared to full featured software such as
>> Nero (as an example). I've found CDRWin fine for copying
>> cds and creating bin-cue files and I really like you can
>> specify it to retry read errors for those bad cds but even
>> then I use Nero to burn a cd with the bin-cue files CDRWin
>> created.
>
> Thank you very much for this valuable information.
>
>>
>> There is no CD+ and CD- format, it's all CD-R or CD-RW
>> (that's a hyphen not a minus sign).
>>
>
> Yes, you are right. As a novice, I erroneously generalized
> from the DVDs to the CDs. Thank you very much for
> correcting my mistake.
>
> [... snip ...]
>
>>
>> You want to create what's called "Mixed Mode" cds, e.g.
>> plays like a music cd in a music cd player but a pc sees
>> it as a data cd with some "extra stuff" on it which BTW
>> will not normally be accessable on the pc (the audio cd
>> tracks).
>
> With so much confusion in the terminology it is important
> to set the concepts straight. The following is a quotation
> from the E-mail which I received from Nero's support
> representative:
>
> "CDExtra is a disc with Audio and Data. The audio will be
> burnt at the start of the disc and the data behind the
> audio. It is possible to play it on a CD-Player.
>
> "MixedMode-CD is a disc with Data and Audio. It is
> inverted. The data first the audio behind the data. It is
> impossible to play it on a cd- player."
>
> I do not know whether this terminology is general of
> specific to Nero.
>
>
> [... snip ...]
>
>

DON'T USE NERO. IT IS ILLOGICAL CRAZY BLOATED CONFUSING CRAP.
Read cdrfaq and use goldenhawk.

 

[lavron@altavista.com]

On Dec 2, 3:51 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
> lav...@altavista.com wrote innews:e4bac87e-e1e7-44a2-8b48-a5a68d7553a6@x69g2000hsx.googlegr
> oups.com:
>

[... snip ...]

>
> DON'T USE NERO. IT IS ILLOGICAL CRAZY BLOATED CONFUSING CRAP.
> Read cdrfaq and use goldenhawk.- Hide quoted text -
>


Wow! You are so hot against Nero and in favour of Golden Hawk! Wow!

O.K., I did not buy any software as yet, and I did not make my mind,
as yet, which software to buy. I am in no rush, and I am exploring
alternatives.

So far only Nero claims to facilitate what I want to do. You are not
sure whether or not Golden Hawk provides these facilities. You already
have their software. Why don't you try to do it, then tell me whether
or not it works, and if it does, how well it does the job, and how
easy or not so easy it is to get the job done. Since pjp believes that
it does but not in a very straightforward manner, you might be able to
shed more light on this situation.

Another concern I have about Golden Hawk is their limit of 18 months
on the licence. What happens when these 18 months expire? Does their
software stop working if I do not renew the license on time?

I value your opinion, but with such a strong statement I would value
it even more if you would back up your word with evidence regarding
the ability of Golden Hawk to do what I want it to do.

I am glad to see that pjp already volunteered to do the test. It would
be very interesting to compare your conclusions to those of pjp.

 

[lavron@altavista.com]

On Dec 3, 1:14 am, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
> lav...@altavista.com wrote innews:61cab96b-f3af-4468-a9f9-c272778d48fe@s12g2000prg.googlegr
> oups.com:
>
> > On Dec 2, 3:51 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >> lav...@altavista.com wrote
> >> innews:e4bac87e-e1e7-44a2-8b48-a5a68d7553a6@x69g2000hsx.goo
> >> glegr oups.com:
>
> > [... snip ...]
>
> ... there ARE actually people who just say thank you and then
> shut up, no offense.


O.K., I'll just say thank you and shut up as far as you are concerned.

But there are other people participating in this thread I might want
to communicate with. You are under no obligation to respond to my
postings.