Can Windows XP and Windows 98 share files on a DSL network?

[philo]

<snip>

> >
> > Heck , I don't know how it works <G>
> > but you can read a little more here:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_file_system
> >
> > As to your new machine...Yes...I'd probably go for XP for now.
> >
> > Once SP1 is released for Vista, it might be sufficiently de-bugged
though
>
> Egads. I don't want Vista!! The LAST thing I ever want is more
> albatross bloatware!! (And DRM-ware, and BigBrother-ware).
>
> I'm just a firm believer and subscriber of the "lean and mean" approach -
> for an operating system, and for almost all my software, which is why I
> still love Win98SE, and occasionally even DOS! So, I'm going into this
> with "mixed" expectations.
>
>

I agree with lean and mean!
Most of my systems use Win2k.
It runs all the apps I need...and I want an OS that's as transparent as
possible!

 

[Don Phillipson]

"Marty" <Marty@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Back to my original problem, the messages posted here make me think that
it's
> at least possible for a Windows XP machine and a Windows 98SE machine that
> are connected to a common DSL router to access each other's files. The
> question is, how do I do it? Do I have to configure something or change a
> setting? Do I need to obtain some special software?

Network setup problems can get tricky, so you should
start with the right manual, then take problems to a networking
NG if they occur. The WinXP Network Wizard has automated
the process, starting with the XP as network hub and ending
by making a floppy that you then run on all other PCs in the
network. This NETSETUP floppy works on Win98 PCs (says
the manual XP for Dummies. I set mine up manually, Win98
hub connected by wireless to a WinXP upstairs, most folders
and printers shared mutually. You need to set each via
/ Properties to enable sharing, as well as in Win98 / Control
Panel / Network / Access Control.)

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

 

[Don Phillipson]

"Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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> Extract from "Windows Millennium Edition Faq.txt File Contents" (but
applies
> to all Win9x)
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/262923/en-us
>
> Q: Does Windows Me support NTFS?
>
> NTFS is not directly supported under Windows Me. NTFS
> volumes can be accessed only by Windows NT locally. If
> Windows Me is installed on a computer already running
> Windows NT with an NTFS volume, it cannot access any
> information stored on the volume. However, Windows Me
> can access NTFS volumes across a network connection.

More generally . . .
When a network has been successfully created, drive
format becomes irrelevant. We can network together
PCs running Win98, WinXP, and Linux, each with its
own drive format, and (where sharing has been enabled)
read and write or write any file on any PC in the network.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

 

[Lil' Dave]

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> RobertVA wrote:
>> Marty wrote:
>>> I have AT&T-Yahoo DSL with 2 computers connected: a Dell Windows XP and
> an HP
>>> Windows 98SE. Is it possible for them to directly access each other's
> files?
>>
>> Separate DSL modems or through a router?
>
> As I understood it, and no matter what, the Win98SE computer (using FAT32)
> won't be able to see the WinXP files (using NTFS), but vice versa is
> possible.
>
>

A network of 2 different PCs, one with XP, one with 98SE, can share each
others files via allowing drive (partition) sharing. File system type, NTFS
or FAT32, is of no consequence. In the case of 98/98SE/ME directly
addressing an NTFS partition, you are correct, they are unable to
interrogate the file table.

Current routers incorporate a router and hub, and are generically called a
router. The hub portion of this router allows LAN connections. A crossover
cable is a simple example of a LAN. Another way that I've used is with
Firewire direct connection for a PC and a laptop. All these can make use of
drive/partition sharing.

In my trial/error days 5 years ago with XP/ME/98SE drive sharing, found that
XP generally always found the ME shared drive. But, sometimes, ME/98SE it
was sometime a major problem for it to find a shared drive on XP PC.

Dave

 

[Marty]

I tried Don's suggestion, and it almost worked. I changed the workgroup name
on the Windows98 to match the WinXP. I then ran the network wizard
successfully on the XP, and it produced a floppy to run on the 98. However,
the floppy seemed to go into an endless loop on the 98, and I finally
terminated it after 24 hours! I'm not quite sure where to go from here. If I
can find a simple way to establish the file sharing I'll do it. But
considering my actual needs, I'd rather do a work-around, such as emailing
the files I want to share or transferring them via floppy than go to a large
expense. I do appreciate the time and effort and ideas that everyone has been
putting in to help solve this problem.

"Don Phillipson" wrote:

> "Marty" <Marty@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:60096B4C-7D7C-494F-9CA3-2062D0B34EB9@microsoft.com...
>
> > Back to my original problem, the messages posted here make me think that
> it's
> > at least possible for a Windows XP machine and a Windows 98SE machine that
> > are connected to a common DSL router to access each other's files. The
> > question is, how do I do it? Do I have to configure something or change a
> > setting? Do I need to obtain some special software?
>
> Network setup problems can get tricky, so you should
> start with the right manual, then take problems to a networking
> NG if they occur. The WinXP Network Wizard has automated
> the process, starting with the XP as network hub and ending
> by making a floppy that you then run on all other PCs in the
> network. This NETSETUP floppy works on Win98 PCs (says
> the manual XP for Dummies. I set mine up manually, Win98
> hub connected by wireless to a WinXP upstairs, most folders
> and printers shared mutually. You need to set each via
> / Properties to enable sharing, as well as in Win98 / Control
> Panel / Network / Access Control.)
>
> --
> Don Phillipson
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)
>
>
>

 

[Buffalo]

Bill in Co. wrote:
> Ron Martell wrote:
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> No, then maybe I am missing something. I was under the
>>> impression that Win98SE, a FAT32 based system, could not see or
>>> access anything on an NTFS partition. What am I getting mixed up?
>>
>> If an NTFS drive is installed into a Windows 98 computer it will not
>> be able to access it.
>>
>> However in a network situation the computer does not directly access
>> a drive on a different computer. What it does is access the other
>> computer and ask it to access its own disk drive and send the
>> requested file across the network. The file is just a data stream,
>> with no disk storage file system involved.
>>
>> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>
> AHA! I think that helps me understand it a bit better. Thanks,
> Ron.

Me too.

 

[AlmostBob]

I find that when accessing another pc the other pc does the writing to its
drive, and when they access mine my pc does the writing to my drive
Lady love has winxppro,
when she is dual booted to xp I can access the ntfs partition on her pc as
well as the fat32 from my win98se box
when she is booted to 98 I cannot access the ntfs partition over the
network, and neither can she

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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Alan Edwards wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:26:35 -0700, in
> > microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Bill in Co."
> > <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Alan Edwards wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:55:38 -0700, in
> >>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Bill in Co."
> >>> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> RobertVA wrote:
> >>>>> Marty wrote:
> >>>>>> I have AT&T-Yahoo DSL with 2 computers connected: a Dell Windows XP
> and
> >>>>>> an HP Windows 98SE. Is it possible for them to directly access each
> >>>>>> other's files?
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>> As I understood it, and no matter what, the Win98SE computer (using
> FAT32)
> >>>> won't be able to see the WinXP files (using NTFS), but vice versa is
> >>>> possible.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps I am missing something here but...
> >>> I am far from an expert on networking but I have no problem with a
> >>> Win98SE computer (using FAT32) seeing (and modifying) WinXP files
> >>> (using NTFS)
> >>>
> >>> ...Alan
> >>
> >> No, then maybe I am missing something. I was under the impression
> that
> >> Win98SE, a FAT32 based system, could not see or access anything on an
> NTFS
> >> partition. What am I getting mixed up?
> >>
> >
> > Not sure what you are getting mixed up with.
> > I am sitting in front of 3 networked terminals (with broadband access,
> > though that is nor really relevant as I could network before
> > broadband)
> > One Win98Se (Fat32)
> > One WinMe (Fat32)
> > One Win XP SP2 (NTFS)
> > I can read/modify from all/to all.
> >
> > ...Alan
> > --
> > Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
> > http://dts-l.com/index.htm
>
> OK, well I don't have a network, so apparently I'm wrong here then.
Let's
> see..
>
> I guess the only thing I do seem to recall (at least as I've heard here)
is
> (e.g.) if you have a dual-boot system, with both 98SE and WinXP on it (and
> with XP using NTFS on its own HD partition), that HD partition (and all
its
> files) are invisible to the Win98SE system, right? (as long as you booted
> up in Win98SE)
>
> And if you want to get some files from the Win98SE (FAT32) partition and
> transfer them over to the XP (NTFS) partition, at least without a network,
> you'd have to boot up in 98SE and save the files on some removable drive,
> and then reboot in XP, and place them there on its partition. Right?
>
>

 

[AlmostBob]

we have an apartment building where we supply cable,
the cable modem to port 16 on a 16 port switch, a wireless router to port
15, and the apartments on 1-12,
no bottleneck routing the data from the modem through a pc to the switch to
the pc its directed to
just a thought with only a few pcs connected there might not be any
constriction
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"Alan Edwards" <edwards@southcom.com.au> wrote in message
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> I know nothing of a DSL router, which is why I avoided your initial
> question.
> Mine are connected via a network first. A simple Netgear 8 port Fast
> Ethernet Switch. XP made it fairly simple to create the network,
> though I did have 2 machines (Win98SE+WinMe) connected with only a
> crossover cable before XP.
> I installed a broadband modem later to the XP machine.
> The others pickup the Internet from there. The Win9x machines are not
> directly connected to the broadband modem.
>
> Don't ask me too many hard questions. Hardware is not my forte.
> You don't need to know a lot about Windows internals to set up a
> network.
>
> ...Alan
> --
> Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
> http://dts-l.com/index.htm
>
>
>
> On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:08:02 -0800, in
> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, Marty
> <Marty@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Back to my original problem, the messages posted here make me think that
it's
> >at least possible for a Windows XP machine and a Windows 98SE machine
that
> >are connected to a common DSL router to access each other's files. The
> >question is, how do I do it? Do I have to configure something or change a
> >setting? Do I need to obtain some special software? Can I bypass the
router
> >and connect the computers directly to each other? Although I did spend
many
> >years developing software on UNIX systems, I don't have too much
knowledge of
> >Windows internals and will appreciate any help I can get.
> >
> >"Alan Edwards" wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:31:37 -0700, in
> >> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Bill in Co."
> >> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Alan Edwards wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:26:35 -0700, in
> >> >> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Bill in Co."
> >> >> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Alan Edwards wrote:
> >> >>>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:55:38 -0700, in
> >> >>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Bill in Co."
> >> >>>> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> RobertVA wrote:
> >> >>>>>> Marty wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> I have AT&T-Yahoo DSL with 2 computers connected: a Dell
Windows XP
> >> >and
> >> >>>>>>> an HP Windows 98SE. Is it possible for them to directly access
each
> >> >>>>>>> other's files?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> As I understood it, and no matter what, the Win98SE computer
(using
> >> >FAT32)
> >> >>>>> won't be able to see the WinXP files (using NTFS), but vice versa
is
> >> >>>>> possible.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Perhaps I am missing something here but...
> >> >>>> I am far from an expert on networking but I have no problem with a
> >> >>>> Win98SE computer (using FAT32) seeing (and modifying) WinXP files
> >> >>>> (using NTFS)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ...Alan
> >> >>>
> >> >>> No, then maybe I am missing something. I was under the
impression
> >> >that
> >> >>> Win98SE, a FAT32 based system, could not see or access anything on
an
> >> >NTFS
> >> >>> partition. What am I getting mixed up?
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Not sure what you are getting mixed up with.
> >> >> I am sitting in front of 3 networked terminals (with broadband
access,
> >> >> though that is nor really relevant as I could network before
> >> >> broadband)
> >> >> One Win98Se (Fat32)
> >> >> One WinMe (Fat32)
> >> >> One Win XP SP2 (NTFS)
> >> >> I can read/modify from all/to all.
> >> >>
> >> >> ...Alan
> >> >> --
> >> >> Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
> >> >> http://dts-l.com/index.htm
> >> >
> >> >OK, well I don't have a network, so apparently I'm wrong here then.
Let's
> >> >see..
> >> >
> >> >I guess the only thing I do seem to recall (at least as I've heard
here) is
> >> >(e.g.) if you have a dual-boot system, with both 98SE and WinXP on it
(and
> >> >with XP using NTFS on its own HD partition), that HD partition (and
all its
> >> >files) are invisible to the Win98SE system, right? (as long as you
booted
> >> >up in Win98SE)
> >> >
> >> >And if you want to get some files from the Win98SE (FAT32) partition
and
> >> >transfer them over to the XP (NTFS) partition, at least without a
network,
> >> >you'd have to boot up in 98SE and save the files on some removable
drive,
> >> >and then reboot in XP, and place them there on its partition.
Right?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Sorry, but I have never used dual-booting.
> >> Cannot comment on that.
> >> A simple network is easy and cheap. Just a few dollars for a cable or
> >> two.
> >>
> >> ....Alan
> >> --
> >> Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
> >> http://dts-l.com/index.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>

 

[tech reader]

Dear Marty,
did u got the answer ? what u want ?
Vinoth
"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
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> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%23uyHtWoTIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> RobertVA wrote:
>>> Marty wrote:
>>>> I have AT&T-Yahoo DSL with 2 computers connected: a Dell Windows XP and
>> an HP
>>>> Windows 98SE. Is it possible for them to directly access each other's
>> files?
>>>
>>> Separate DSL modems or through a router?
>>
>> As I understood it, and no matter what, the Win98SE computer (using
>> FAT32)
>> won't be able to see the WinXP files (using NTFS), but vice versa is
>> possible.
>>
>>
>
> A network of 2 different PCs, one with XP, one with 98SE, can share each
> others files via allowing drive (partition) sharing. File system type,
> NTFS or FAT32, is of no consequence. In the case of 98/98SE/ME directly
> addressing an NTFS partition, you are correct, they are unable to
> interrogate the file table.
>
> Current routers incorporate a router and hub, and are generically called a
> router. The hub portion of this router allows LAN connections. A
> crossover cable is a simple example of a LAN. Another way that I've used
> is with Firewire direct connection for a PC and a laptop. All these can
> make use of drive/partition sharing.
>
> In my trial/error days 5 years ago with XP/ME/98SE drive sharing, found
> that XP generally always found the ME shared drive. But, sometimes,
> ME/98SE it was sometime a major problem for it to find a shared drive on
> XP PC.
>
> Dave
>
>

 

[Natakel]

I had pretty much the same situation - I was using XP Home machines on a
router with Win98SE machines. All had DSL access. I never had any problems
setting up the LAN - all the PC's could see each other, and I was able to
transfer files, etc. to the "shared" folders on any of the machines. The XP
net set up disk Don described is dead on the way to do it. Start with an XP
machine, set up the network, name the work group, then create the floppy for
use on the Win98 machines. You said yours went into an "endless loop" - I
had one instance where the 98 computer would lock up when the network set up
started. I corrected this by killing all but the essential background
processes running on the 98 machine (all but Explorer and Systray, I think -
it's been a while). The network setup disk then went without a hitch.

The only real problem I had didn't involve the different operating systems -
it involved router settings and individual software firewall settings. I had
to make sure the router would allow the number of computers I was trying to
LAN, and make sure that the firewall on each computer had the correct
"trusted" IP range for the computers.

Not much help I know - been a while since I had a Win98 machine on my LAN

"Marty" wrote:

> I tried Don's suggestion, and it almost worked. I changed the workgroup name
> on the Windows98 to match the WinXP. I then ran the network wizard
> successfully on the XP, and it produced a floppy to run on the 98. However,
> the floppy seemed to go into an endless loop on the 98, and I finally
> terminated it after 24 hours! I'm not quite sure where to go from here. If I
> can find a simple way to establish the file sharing I'll do it. But
> considering my actual needs, I'd rather do a work-around, such as emailing
> the files I want to share or transferring them via floppy than go to a large
> expense. I do appreciate the time and effort and ideas that everyone has been
> putting in to help solve this problem.
>
> "Don Phillipson" wrote:
>
> > "Marty" <Marty@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:60096B4C-7D7C-494F-9CA3-2062D0B34EB9@microsoft.com...
> >
> > > Back to my original problem, the messages posted here make me think that
> > it's
> > > at least possible for a Windows XP machine and a Windows 98SE machine that
> > > are connected to a common DSL router to access each other's files. The
> > > question is, how do I do it? Do I have to configure something or change a
> > > setting? Do I need to obtain some special software?
> >
> > Network setup problems can get tricky, so you should
> > start with the right manual, then take problems to a networking
> > NG if they occur. The WinXP Network Wizard has automated
> > the process, starting with the XP as network hub and ending
> > by making a floppy that you then run on all other PCs in the
> > network. This NETSETUP floppy works on Win98 PCs (says
> > the manual XP for Dummies. I set mine up manually, Win98
> > hub connected by wireless to a WinXP upstairs, most folders
> > and printers shared mutually. You need to set each via
> > / Properties to enable sharing, as well as in Win98 / Control
> > Panel / Network / Access Control.)
> >
> > --
> > Don Phillipson
> > Carlsbad Springs
> > (Ottawa, Canada)
> >
> >
> >