Starting your PC without the front panel power button

[attilathehun1]

I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power button
assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit the
power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power
button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to do
this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1

 

[Don Phillipson]

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...

> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power
button
> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit
the
> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power
> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to
do
> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.

Start buttons on the front panel are integral to modern PC
design since WinME appeared. (Some motherboards have no
rear panel power on/off switch: you must unplug from the mains to
power off.) Your first priority must be replacing the defective
front panel button assembly.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Why did you start a new thread? If anyone here had an answer for you
different than those you've been receiving, they'd have posted it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...
> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power
> button
> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit
> the
> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power
> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to
> do
> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.
> Thanks, attilathehun1
> --
> attilathehun1

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Since you're really not in the least bit hardware savvy, and you can't seem
to follow fairly simple instructions, I suggest you take that machine to
someone who knows what they're doing.

How hard can it be to find out if pushing a button connects two wires or
not? Seems a lot easier than starting the mobo without the button.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...
> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power
> button
> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit
> the
> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power
> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to
> do
> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.
> Thanks, attilathehun1
> --
> attilathehun1

 

[attilathehun1]

I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing
as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the power
supply or front panel start up button assembly.
I've built many PCs and fixed many many more. I'm just asking here because
I know someone here knows more than I do. I can humble myself to someone and
admit that I don't know it all. But I'm not going to pay someone to do
something I can do myself.
My next project is building a laptop. I've heard once you've built a laptop
you can put a feather in your cap as a PC tech. Well I haven't built a laptop
yet and so I do need some advice that probably would save me bucks.
No, I have thought about bringing my PC to a PC tech and have done so in
the past, but they are not going to do anything different than what I can be
told here, or what I've done before or both.
Sure I am here asking just like all the other people. Why are all these
other threads going thru and are you telling them to bring their PCs to a PC
tech. Why not, I might get some business. LOL
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, attilathehun1
PS I started a new thread because anyone who reads that is going to get
bored and by the time they get to the bottom where I want to know how to
start my PC without a start-up button. In fact, why don't YOU know the
answer, GARY?
I'd really like to know if you know the answer. It's in my PC notes
somewhere in my PC class notes.
--
attilathehun1


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Since you're really not in the least bit hardware savvy, and you can't seem
> to follow fairly simple instructions, I suggest you take that machine to
> someone who knows what they're doing.
>
> How hard can it be to find out if pushing a button connects two wires or
> not? Seems a lot easier than starting the mobo without the button.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...
> > I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power
> > button
> > assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit
> > the
> > power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power
> > button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to
> > do
> > this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.
> > Thanks, attilathehun1
> > --
> > attilathehun1
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

I've not had the need to start a machine without the power button. But I
know how to use a continuity tester, so it would take me about ten seconds
to figure out if a button is working. In any case, if I DID need to start
the PC with a screw driver, the place to put it is damned obvious -- short
the pins that are usually connected to the power button. Doh!

Look, at least two people have done a very good job of telling you how to do
what you asked to do. Over and over again, as a matter of fact. Did you or
did you not figure it out? If you HAVE figured it out, why this thread? Just
to "share the moment"? If you STILL haven't figured out whether the power
button functions or not, you need someone else to either do it for you or
show you in person. Or maybe send you some photos. Meanwhile, I'd stay way
away from any laptops if I were you.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:87F3A7F8-87AE-4B1E-860F-6302A66927BD@microsoft.com...
> I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing
> as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the
> power
> supply or front panel start up button assembly.
> I've built many PCs and fixed many many more. I'm just asking here because
> I know someone here knows more than I do. I can humble myself to someone
> and
> admit that I don't know it all. But I'm not going to pay someone to do
> something I can do myself.
> My next project is building a laptop. I've heard once you've built a
> laptop
> you can put a feather in your cap as a PC tech. Well I haven't built a
> laptop
> yet and so I do need some advice that probably would save me bucks.
> No, I have thought about bringing my PC to a PC tech and have done so in
> the past, but they are not going to do anything different than what I can
> be
> told here, or what I've done before or both.
> Sure I am here asking just like all the other people. Why are all these
> other threads going thru and are you telling them to bring their PCs to a
> PC
> tech. Why not, I might get some business. LOL
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks, attilathehun1
> PS I started a new thread because anyone who reads that is going to get
> bored and by the time they get to the bottom where I want to know how to
> start my PC without a start-up button. In fact, why don't YOU know the
> answer, GARY?
> I'd really like to know if you know the answer. It's in my PC notes
> somewhere in my PC class notes.
> --
> attilathehun1
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>
>> Since you're really not in the least bit hardware savvy, and you can't
>> seem
>> to follow fairly simple instructions, I suggest you take that machine to
>> someone who knows what they're doing.
>>
>> How hard can it be to find out if pushing a button connects two wires or
>> not? Seems a lot easier than starting the mobo without the button.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...
>> > I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power
>> > button
>> > assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I
>> > hit
>> > the
>> > power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power
>> > button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination
>> > to
>> > do
>> > this and the power button assembly is next on the process of
>> > elimination.
>> > Thanks, attilathehun1
>> > --
>> > attilathehun1
>>
>>

 

[w_tom]

On May 9, 10:37 pm, attilathehun1
<attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing
> as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the power
> supply or front panel start up button assembly.

If computer literate, then you also knew about the power supply
controller and what is 'integral' per Don Phillipson.

What will that 'someone' else do? Probably read voltages on green
and purple wire (only 15 seconds), then charge you thirty some dollars
labor to pinch a loose wire with needle nose pliers. You would fear
to even do those 15 seconds of labor?

Why did you start another discussion? Useful replies from that
previous discussion don't change only because you did not like
answers. Any useful answer requires you to do things you never did
before.

I concur with Gary. You are bound and determined to keep asking the
same question until someone posts what you want to hear. Spend the
money. Take that computer to someone who also knows about the power
supply controller - who does not fear to learn using numbers. Then
thinking through the problem is made redundant.

"." in that previous thread even provided citations that most any
computer literate person knows or learns from. Any child can assemble
a computer. It is why most computer techs do not even know how
electricity works. One need not know much about computers to assemble
one. Even the plugs are shaped different so that a child will not
connect wrong wires together. Anyone can assemble a PC.

Knowing why a computer works is best accomplished by following the
evidence - tracing a failure to its defect. With information from
".", one learns how that switch is integral to a power supply system.
Learned why shorting a green wire would not answer your question.
Learned why reposting the same question will only get the same
answers.

 

[Brian A.]

"w_tom" <w_tom1@usa.net> wrote in message
news:1410b7ae-4ec2-4128-bc46-ac62003a129e@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 10:37 pm, attilathehun1
> <attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> "." in that previous thread even provided citations that most any
> computer literate person knows or learns from. Any child can assemble
> a computer. It is why most computer techs do not even know how
> electricity works. One need not know much about computers to assemble
> one. Even the plugs are shaped different so that a child will not
> connect wrong wires together. Anyone can assemble a PC.

Sure, anyone can assemble a PC, yet not everyone can assemble one to the specs
that it will operate properly. How electricity works has nothing to do with how
one builds a PC. Matching the proper components that work best together for the
users day to day activities is what "assembles" a good PC.



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How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

 

[Brian A.]

With your assertion that you've built and repaired many machines, you should
have the knowledge on how to properly test a circuit and/or component. Have you
had the thought to try testing with another startup switch to see if it will
power up the PC?

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Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375


"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:87F3A7F8-87AE-4B1E-860F-6302A66927BD@microsoft.com...
> I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing
> as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the power
> supply or front panel start up button assembly.
> I've built many PCs and fixed many many more. I'm just asking here because
> I know someone here knows more than I do. I can humble myself to someone and
> admit that I don't know it all. But I'm not going to pay someone to do
> something I can do myself.
> My next project is building a laptop. I've heard once you've built a laptop
> you can put a feather in your cap as a PC tech. Well I haven't built a laptop
> yet and so I do need some advice that probably would save me bucks.
> No, I have thought about bringing my PC to a PC tech and have done so in
> the past, but they are not going to do anything different than what I can be
> told here, or what I've done before or both.
> Sure I am here asking just like all the other people. Why are all these
> other threads going thru and are you telling them to bring their PCs to a PC
> tech. Why not, I might get some business. LOL
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks, attilathehun1
> PS I started a new thread because anyone who reads that is going to get
> bored and by the time they get to the bottom where I want to know how to
> start my PC without a start-up button. In fact, why don't YOU know the
> answer, GARY?
> I'd really like to know if you know the answer. It's in my PC notes
> somewhere in my PC class notes.
> --
> attilathehun1
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>
>> Since you're really not in the least bit hardware savvy, and you can't seem
>> to follow fairly simple instructions, I suggest you take that machine to
>> someone who knows what they're doing.
>>
>> How hard can it be to find out if pushing a button connects two wires or
>> not? Seems a lot easier than starting the mobo without the button.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...
>> > I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power
>> > button
>> > assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit
>> > the
>> > power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power
>> > button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to
>> > do
>> > this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.
>> > Thanks, attilathehun1
>> > --
>> > attilathehun1
>>
>>

 

[attilathehun1]

Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the last PC
tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought the PC
into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just to buy a
power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He told me
don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be no
problems.
Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said wtf is
this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I thought you
said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother... ripped me
off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him this
would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.
Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain from a
molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got damaged or
shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip into the two
pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.
See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice, plain
and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords, you (pl)
don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See I've
encountered your kind. Read upwards.
Ok, thanks for nothing.
attilathehun1

See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is it that
bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that bad, then
forget it.

--
attilathehun1


"attilathehun1" wrote:

> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power button
> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit the
> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power
> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to do
> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.
> Thanks, attilathehun1
> --
> attilathehun1

 

[attilathehun1]

One more thing, you said it yourself Gary. You've never had to start your
machine without the power button. I just simply wanted to know if it was the
power button assembly. Plain and simple. If it started without the power
button then my guess is the power button is the problem. That's it. Plain and
simple. I'm not here to diss anyone but when someone tells me to go to a PC
tech. For something that petty, no way in hell. I'm sorry. I'm not paying 25
bucks for that. I'll just do what they do.
Oh, change this, change that, change everything and finally they get it
right by a process of elimation.
I took a class a while back. The name was called PC Troubleshooting! Get
that through your head. PC Troubleshooting. No, I haven't had to start my PC
without the power button etiher Gary.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> I've not had the need to start a machine without the power button. But I
> know how to use a continuity tester, so it would take me about ten seconds
> to figure out if a button is working. In any case, if I DID need to start
> the PC with a screw driver, the place to put it is damned obvious -- short
> the pins that are usually connected to the power button. Doh!
>
> Look, at least two people have done a very good job of telling you how to do
> what you asked to do. Over and over again, as a matter of fact. Did you or
> did you not figure it out? If you HAVE figured it out, why this thread? Just
> to "share the moment"? If you STILL haven't figured out whether the power
> button functions or not, you need someone else to either do it for you or
> show you in person. Or maybe send you some photos. Meanwhile, I'd stay way
> away from any laptops if I were you.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:87F3A7F8-87AE-4B1E-860F-6302A66927BD@microsoft.com...
> > I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing
> > as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the
> > power
> > supply or front panel start up button assembly.
> > I've built many PCs and fixed many many more. I'm just asking here because
> > I know someone here knows more than I do. I can humble myself to someone
> > and
> > admit that I don't know it all. But I'm not going to pay someone to do
> > something I can do myself.
> > My next project is building a laptop. I've heard once you've built a
> > laptop
> > you can put a feather in your cap as a PC tech. Well I haven't built a
> > laptop
> > yet and so I do need some advice that probably would save me bucks.
> > No, I have thought about bringing my PC to a PC tech and have done so in
> > the past, but they are not going to do anything different than what I can
> > be
> > told here, or what I've done before or both.
> > Sure I am here asking just like all the other people. Why are all these
> > other threads going thru and are you telling them to bring their PCs to a
> > PC
> > tech. Why not, I might get some business. LOL
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> > Thanks, attilathehun1
> > PS I started a new thread because anyone who reads that is going to get
> > bored and by the time they get to the bottom where I want to know how to
> > start my PC without a start-up button. In fact, why don't YOU know the
> > answer, GARY?
> > I'd really like to know if you know the answer. It's in my PC notes
> > somewhere in my PC class notes.
> > --
> > attilathehun1
> >
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> >
> >> Since you're really not in the least bit hardware savvy, and you can't
> >> seem
> >> to follow fairly simple instructions, I suggest you take that machine to
> >> someone who knows what they're doing.
> >>
> >> How hard can it be to find out if pushing a button connects two wires or
> >> not? Seems a lot easier than starting the mobo without the button.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary S. Terhune
> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
> >> www.grystmill.com
> >>
> >> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> message
> >> news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...
> >> > I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power
> >> > button
> >> > assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I
> >> > hit
> >> > the
> >> > power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power
> >> > button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination
> >> > to
> >> > do
> >> > this and the power button assembly is next on the process of
> >> > elimination.
> >> > Thanks, attilathehun1
> >> > --
> >> > attilathehun1
> >>
> >>
>
>

 

[dadiOH]

attilathehun1 wrote:
> Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the
> last PC tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I
> brought the PC into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25
> dollars and just to buy a power supply that fits the machine or
> something to that nature.

You mean to say that with all your skill and experience you were unable to
go online and buy a power supply all by yourself? You might want to take
that PC class over again.
______________

> He told me don't worry, I'll do it just so
> we get it right and there will be no problems.
> Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said
> wtf is this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf
> I thought you said you'd do it and just so it would be done right.
> The mother... ripped me off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I
> paid him and told him this would be the last time I brought my PC
> into this PC store.

Somehow, I doubt that he cares.
________________

> Anotherwords, you (pl) don't no how to do it.

The phrase is, "in other words".

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[Gary S. Terhune]

I probably never WILL start a machine by touching a screwdriver to some
pins. It's a damned stupid thing to do and that teacher was an idiot to show
off like that in front of a bunch of newbies.

Were you not told, in the previous thread, how to do what you want to do? If
not, are you happy now that I've told you how? Do you have a continuity
tester? If not, go buy one. They're cheap. Actually, better to buy a real
multi-tester (they're cheap, too) and use the ohmmeter for continuity
testing.

Seriously, you claim to know at least SOMETHING about computer hardware,
electricity, electronics, etc., yet you can't figure out how to test a power
button, or even deduce from the obvious which pins one might touch with a
screwdriver to turn the machine on.

First thing you should do is stop pretending you know anything about
computers. Even if you do know some, pretend you don't. Because you don't
enough to be safely rummaging around in a case, sticking paperclips here and
there, and I don't know what. I don't care that you took a class, you don't
appear to have any basics in electricity and/or electronics, and that makes
your class in T-shooting worthless. Worse than worthless. You now think you
know something and you don't. You don't know enough to figure it out
yourself, you don't know enough to understand directions that were given to
you, not even on a page with pictures to show you.

And HOW DO YOU KNOW THE POWER SUPPLY IS GOOD?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3F169762-E3E4-417F-981A-91E491CDBE14@microsoft.com...
> One more thing, you said it yourself Gary. You've never had to start your
> machine without the power button. I just simply wanted to know if it was
> the
> power button assembly. Plain and simple. If it started without the power
> button then my guess is the power button is the problem. That's it. Plain
> and
> simple. I'm not here to diss anyone but when someone tells me to go to a
> PC
> tech. For something that petty, no way in hell. I'm sorry. I'm not paying
> 25
> bucks for that. I'll just do what they do.
> Oh, change this, change that, change everything and finally they get it
> right by a process of elimation.
> I took a class a while back. The name was called PC Troubleshooting! Get
> that through your head. PC Troubleshooting. No, I haven't had to start my
> PC
> without the power button etiher Gary.
> Thanks,
> attilathehun1
> --
> attilathehun1
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>
>> I've not had the need to start a machine without the power button. But I
>> know how to use a continuity tester, so it would take me about ten
>> seconds
>> to figure out if a button is working. In any case, if I DID need to start
>> the PC with a screw driver, the place to put it is damned obvious --
>> short
>> the pins that are usually connected to the power button. Doh!
>>
>> Look, at least two people have done a very good job of telling you how to
>> do
>> what you asked to do. Over and over again, as a matter of fact. Did you
>> or
>> did you not figure it out? If you HAVE figured it out, why this thread?
>> Just
>> to "share the moment"? If you STILL haven't figured out whether the power
>> button functions or not, you need someone else to either do it for you or
>> show you in person. Or maybe send you some photos. Meanwhile, I'd stay
>> way
>> away from any laptops if I were you.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:87F3A7F8-87AE-4B1E-860F-6302A66927BD@microsoft.com...
>> > I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same
>> > thing
>> > as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the
>> > power
>> > supply or front panel start up button assembly.
>> > I've built many PCs and fixed many many more. I'm just asking here
>> > because
>> > I know someone here knows more than I do. I can humble myself to
>> > someone
>> > and
>> > admit that I don't know it all. But I'm not going to pay someone to do
>> > something I can do myself.
>> > My next project is building a laptop. I've heard once you've built a
>> > laptop
>> > you can put a feather in your cap as a PC tech. Well I haven't built a
>> > laptop
>> > yet and so I do need some advice that probably would save me bucks.
>> > No, I have thought about bringing my PC to a PC tech and have done so
>> > in
>> > the past, but they are not going to do anything different than what I
>> > can
>> > be
>> > told here, or what I've done before or both.
>> > Sure I am here asking just like all the other people. Why are all these
>> > other threads going thru and are you telling them to bring their PCs to
>> > a
>> > PC
>> > tech. Why not, I might get some business. LOL
>> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> > Thanks,
>> > attilathehun1
>> > PS I started a new thread because anyone who reads that is going to get
>> > bored and by the time they get to the bottom where I want to know how
>> > to
>> > start my PC without a start-up button. In fact, why don't YOU know the
>> > answer, GARY?
>> > I'd really like to know if you know the answer. It's in my PC notes
>> > somewhere in my PC class notes.
>> > --
>> > attilathehun1
>> >
>> >
>> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Since you're really not in the least bit hardware savvy, and you can't
>> >> seem
>> >> to follow fairly simple instructions, I suggest you take that machine
>> >> to
>> >> someone who knows what they're doing.
>> >>
>> >> How hard can it be to find out if pushing a button connects two wires
>> >> or
>> >> not? Seems a lot easier than starting the mobo without the button.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Gary S. Terhune
>> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> >> www.grystmill.com
>> >>
>> >> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...
>> >> > I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power
>> >> > button
>> >> > assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when
>> >> > I
>> >> > hit
>> >> > the
>> >> > power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the
>> >> > power
>> >> > button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of
>> >> > elimination
>> >> > to
>> >> > do
>> >> > this and the power button assembly is next on the process of
>> >> > elimination.
>> >> > Thanks, attilathehun1
>> >> > --
>> >> > attilathehun1
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Boo-hoo-hoo. Here's a Kleenex. Now, blow. Good boy!

Have you figured out if the power button works or not? Or are you too cheap
to buy a multi-tester?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E2FA0310-D0A4-48ED-960C-6500BB8C4021@microsoft.com...
> Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the last PC
> tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought the PC
> into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just to buy
> a
> power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He told me
> don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be no
> problems.
> Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said wtf
> is
> this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I thought
> you
> said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother... ripped
> me
> off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him this
> would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.
> Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain from a
> molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got damaged or
> shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip into the
> two
> pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.
> See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice, plain
> and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords, you
> (pl)
> don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See I've
> encountered your kind. Read upwards.
> Ok, thanks for nothing.
> attilathehun1
>
> See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is it that
> bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that bad, then
> forget it.
>
> --
> attilathehun1
>
>
> "attilathehun1" wrote:
>
>> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power
>> button
>> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit
>> the
>> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power
>> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to
>> do
>> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.
>> Thanks, attilathehun1
>> --
>> attilathehun1

 

[attilathehun1]

Look, all I wanted to do was get a simple answer to where I touch the screw
driver. I know my motherboard. There is no way I can use a screw driver from
the answers you have given. You haven't given me a right on answer, straight,
for example, touch the screw driver from the battery to the point where the
start up button assembly plugs into the motherboard. Or take a paper clip and
stick it into the connector where the P1 power supply connector goes in.
Nothing like that has been told to me. All these answers are vague. Someone
give a staight up answer.
And yes I did go out and buy a power supply for 10 bucks, a used one that
works on a Gateway. Also, I do have a multi-meter that I use to test
batteries. No one has told me to take the multi-meter and touch it to a
certain spot on the power supply and take a reading. Or no one has said to me
to take the multi-meter and take a reading from the connector on the
motherboard while the P1 is plugged in or whatever. All these answers are in
the grey area.
Anyone would get upset with these answers after someone saying you don't
know your elbow from you know what and then saying to take your PC to a PC
tech.
I just want some definite answers. Just the way I would answer someone who
asked a question if I knew the answer.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Boo-hoo-hoo. Here's a Kleenex. Now, blow. Good boy!
>
> Have you figured out if the power button works or not? Or are you too cheap
> to buy a multi-tester?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E2FA0310-D0A4-48ED-960C-6500BB8C4021@microsoft.com...
> > Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the last PC
> > tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought the PC
> > into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just to buy
> > a
> > power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He told me
> > don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be no
> > problems.
> > Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said wtf
> > is
> > this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I thought
> > you
> > said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother... ripped
> > me
> > off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him this
> > would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.
> > Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain from a
> > molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got damaged or
> > shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip into the
> > two
> > pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.
> > See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice, plain
> > and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords, you
> > (pl)
> > don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See I've
> > encountered your kind. Read upwards.
> > Ok, thanks for nothing.
> > attilathehun1
> >
> > See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is it that
> > bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that bad, then
> > forget it.
> >
> > --
> > attilathehun1
> >
> >
> > "attilathehun1" wrote:
> >
> >> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power
> >> button
> >> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit
> >> the
> >> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power
> >> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to
> >> do
> >> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.
> >> Thanks, attilathehun1
> >> --
> >> attilathehun1
>
>

 

[attilathehun1]

Ok, I've read through all the messages and the closest someone has come to a
definite answer is : just unplug the connector from the mobo and jump the two
terminals together with a small screwdriver. Now what two terminals? You mean
the P1 connector to the spot where it goes into the mobo? You have to be a
bit more definite. I don't want to mess up the PC by trial and error with a
screwdriver.
That's it. A simple answer like: take off the P1 connector and touch the P1
connector to the spot on the mobo where it was just conected with a small
screwdriver. Touch the two together forming a connection instead of having
the connection plugged in. Form the connection with the screwdriver with the
P1 unconnected to the mobo.
That's it. A definite answer
Anyone with a definite answer will be greatly and I say greatly
appreciated.
Thanks, attilathehun1

--
attilathehun1


"w_tom" wrote:

> On May 9, 10:37 pm, attilathehun1
> <attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing
> > as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the power
> > supply or front panel start up button assembly.
>
> If computer literate, then you also knew about the power supply
> controller and what is 'integral' per Don Phillipson.
>
> What will that 'someone' else do? Probably read voltages on green
> and purple wire (only 15 seconds), then charge you thirty some dollars
> labor to pinch a loose wire with needle nose pliers. You would fear
> to even do those 15 seconds of labor?
>
> Why did you start another discussion? Useful replies from that
> previous discussion don't change only because you did not like
> answers. Any useful answer requires you to do things you never did
> before.
>
> I concur with Gary. You are bound and determined to keep asking the
> same question until someone posts what you want to hear. Spend the
> money. Take that computer to someone who also knows about the power
> supply controller - who does not fear to learn using numbers. Then
> thinking through the problem is made redundant.
>
> "." in that previous thread even provided citations that most any
> computer literate person knows or learns from. Any child can assemble
> a computer. It is why most computer techs do not even know how
> electricity works. One need not know much about computers to assemble
> one. Even the plugs are shaped different so that a child will not
> connect wrong wires together. Anyone can assemble a PC.
>
> Knowing why a computer works is best accomplished by following the
> evidence - tracing a failure to its defect. With information from
> ".", one learns how that switch is integral to a power supply system.
> Learned why shorting a green wire would not answer your question.
> Learned why reposting the same question will only get the same
> answers.
>

 

[attilathehun1]

Ok, now I figured it out. Take off the connector where the power up button
assembly goes into the motherboard and take a small screwdriver and touch the
prongs on the mobo where the connector goes in. I just tried that on my
Compaq and it started without the power button assembly plugged in. I hope
now if I turn it off that I didn't ruin my PC. Ok it turned off and I tried
it again and nope it didn't start by touching the prongs together at that
point, or I was touching them wrong. Ok, I'll wait for a definite answer to
the question.
How do I have to, oh forget it. I'm fed up with these vague answers.
Anyone out there with a definite answer, you will be remembered as someone
with a brain if you give an answer that is straight to the point.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1


"w_tom" wrote:

> On May 9, 10:37 pm, attilathehun1
> <attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing
> > as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the power
> > supply or front panel start up button assembly.
>
> If computer literate, then you also knew about the power supply
> controller and what is 'integral' per Don Phillipson.
>
> What will that 'someone' else do? Probably read voltages on green
> and purple wire (only 15 seconds), then charge you thirty some dollars
> labor to pinch a loose wire with needle nose pliers. You would fear
> to even do those 15 seconds of labor?
>
> Why did you start another discussion? Useful replies from that
> previous discussion don't change only because you did not like
> answers. Any useful answer requires you to do things you never did
> before.
>
> I concur with Gary. You are bound and determined to keep asking the
> same question until someone posts what you want to hear. Spend the
> money. Take that computer to someone who also knows about the power
> supply controller - who does not fear to learn using numbers. Then
> thinking through the problem is made redundant.
>
> "." in that previous thread even provided citations that most any
> computer literate person knows or learns from. Any child can assemble
> a computer. It is why most computer techs do not even know how
> electricity works. One need not know much about computers to assemble
> one. Even the plugs are shaped different so that a child will not
> connect wrong wires together. Anyone can assemble a PC.
>
> Knowing why a computer works is best accomplished by following the
> evidence - tracing a failure to its defect. With information from
> ".", one learns how that switch is integral to a power supply system.
> Learned why shorting a green wire would not answer your question.
> Learned why reposting the same question will only get the same
> answers.
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

You don't stick a paperclip anywhere. And I don't see where you even got
that. Not from any of the posts or webpages in that last thread.

Philo told you exactly how to do what you asked to do. And you didn't do it.
You did something else using paper clips (which Philo made no mention of.)

What is so hard to understand when a person tells you to remove a plug and
short the two PINS that it covered. (To "short" two pins is to make a
connection between them, like with a screwdriver, though I guess you thought
a bent paper clip works better. I don't know.) The two pins for the power
button are adjacent, which should make using a screwdriver to short them
easy (even if it is a stupid move.) From what you write, you seem to think
the two pins are not adjacent. Please review and then explain.

Looking back at that specific part of the thread, where Philo first got
involved, your question was answered perfectly, you followed his
instructions completely wrongly, yet it all worked as advertised. But that's
a backwards way of testing the power button. To test the button, you use a
continuity tester (the resistance testing/OHM meter part of your
multimeter.) Stick a lead into each socket of the plug that connects to the
mobo, press the button and see if the needle moves to zero or close to it.
If it does, the button is OK. If it doesn't, make sure your connections are
correct and that metal is touching metal, and try a couple more times to be
sure. Then give up and go get a new button.

Since you mention the possibility that while installing your new used power
supply the brackets dinged the power button or the wires, whatever. Have you
inspected the wires and power button to see if there's any visible damage?

Honestly, and in the friendliest way I can manage -- You don't know enough
about electricity to go very far in the computer tech world. I suggest you
take several more classes, starting with the basics. Better yet, get a job
in a computer shop (not a big-box store, you want a local no-name computer
shop.) In your current state, you're a danger to yourself and anyone
standing nearby.

And no, this newsgroup is not the place to get such a basic education. Such
education requires lots of equipment and good instructors looking over your
shoulder (and a year or two.)

Oh yeah.... Why did you buy a new motherboard? To replace this one we've
been talking about?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:AB38BEB6-9100-4E3E-BC5A-96FF622FF63B@microsoft.com...
> Look, all I wanted to do was get a simple answer to where I touch the
> screw
> driver. I know my motherboard. There is no way I can use a screw driver
> from
> the answers you have given. You haven't given me a right on answer,
> straight,
> for example, touch the screw driver from the battery to the point where
> the
> start up button assembly plugs into the motherboard. Or take a paper clip
> and
> stick it into the connector where the P1 power supply connector goes in.
> Nothing like that has been told to me. All these answers are vague.
> Someone
> give a staight up answer.
> And yes I did go out and buy a power supply for 10 bucks, a used one that
> works on a Gateway. Also, I do have a multi-meter that I use to test
> batteries. No one has told me to take the multi-meter and touch it to a
> certain spot on the power supply and take a reading. Or no one has said to
> me
> to take the multi-meter and take a reading from the connector on the
> motherboard while the P1 is plugged in or whatever. All these answers are
> in
> the grey area.
> Anyone would get upset with these answers after someone saying you don't
> know your elbow from you know what and then saying to take your PC to a PC
> tech.
> I just want some definite answers. Just the way I would answer someone who
> asked a question if I knew the answer.
> Thanks,
> attilathehun1
> --
> attilathehun1
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>
>> Boo-hoo-hoo. Here's a Kleenex. Now, blow. Good boy!
>>
>> Have you figured out if the power button works or not? Or are you too
>> cheap
>> to buy a multi-tester?
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:E2FA0310-D0A4-48ED-960C-6500BB8C4021@microsoft.com...
>> > Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the last
>> > PC
>> > tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought the
>> > PC
>> > into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just to
>> > buy
>> > a
>> > power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He told
>> > me
>> > don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be no
>> > problems.
>> > Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said
>> > wtf
>> > is
>> > this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I thought
>> > you
>> > said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother...
>> > ripped
>> > me
>> > off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him
>> > this
>> > would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.
>> > Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain from a
>> > molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got damaged or
>> > shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip into
>> > the
>> > two
>> > pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.
>> > See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice,
>> > plain
>> > and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords, you
>> > (pl)
>> > don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See I've
>> > encountered your kind. Read upwards.
>> > Ok, thanks for nothing.
>> > attilathehun1
>> >
>> > See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is it
>> > that
>> > bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that bad,
>> > then
>> > forget it.
>> >
>> > --
>> > attilathehun1
>> >
>> >
>> > "attilathehun1" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power
>> >> button
>> >> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I
>> >> hit
>> >> the
>> >> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the
>> >> power
>> >> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination
>> >> to
>> >> do
>> >> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of
>> >> elimination.
>> >> Thanks, attilathehun1
>> >> --
>> >> attilathehun1
>>
>>

 

[MEB]

Straight up answer, read it twice if necessary.

The CASE has/should have a power supply button which has *two leads/wires*
running to the ATX style motherboard [AT style testing is slightly
different, these power buttons are NOT momentary but provide constant
connection].

IF ATX SYLE:
These two leads connect to two pins on the motherboard. WHERE these two
pins connect IS the testing position where you EITHER use the paper clip
WITHOUT uninstalling the connector, push the paperclip into the two holes IN
the connector next two each of the two wires MOMENTARILY, OR where you place
the multi-meter leads to test for voltage BEFORE OR AFTER removing the
connector. IF the computer boots you MAY have a bad switch OR a bad
connection.
ALSO using the multi-meter and AFTER removing the two wire connector, place
the leads from the multi-meter into the connector from the power switch and
test for connection using the *continuity* testing aspect of the meter OR
using one of the *KOHM* settings AND *while pressing the button and
releasing*. IF you get a reading OTHER THAN 0 [zero] or the default
unconnected display, the button is good OR if the continuity test
BEEPS/alarms or flashes a light [depends on the meter] you have a good
button {usually}.

IF the button tests okay, and the temporary connection [paper clip or
{shudder} screwdriver} DID NOT turn on the computer you either have a bad
motherboard [or one of its components] OR a bad power supply.

FOR THE SCREWDRIVER APPROACH: momentarily touch the two exposed pins on the
motherboard from where you disconnected the power switch leads. BE CAREFULL,
this is not a recommended procedure as a slip MIGHT contact other parts of
the board electronics causing a DIRECT SHORT or other damage.

IF AT STYLE:
IF it is an AT style board, the preferred method is to create a
shunt/jumper, a plain wire WITHOUT exposed wires, which you push onto the
pins for completed constant connection. This is placed WITH THE POWER
COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED. IF this works, then replace the shunt/jumper with a
new switch.

You stated, I think, that you replaced the board, did you replace the
GROUNDING screw in the right hole and connection on the case and
motherboard?

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:AB38BEB6-9100-4E3E-BC5A-96FF622FF63B@microsoft.com...
| Look, all I wanted to do was get a simple answer to where I touch the
screw
| driver. I know my motherboard. There is no way I can use a screw driver
from
| the answers you have given. You haven't given me a right on answer,
straight,
| for example, touch the screw driver from the battery to the point where
the
| start up button assembly plugs into the motherboard. Or take a paper clip
and
| stick it into the connector where the P1 power supply connector goes in.
| Nothing like that has been told to me. All these answers are vague.
Someone
| give a staight up answer.
| And yes I did go out and buy a power supply for 10 bucks, a used one that
| works on a Gateway. Also, I do have a multi-meter that I use to test
| batteries. No one has told me to take the multi-meter and touch it to a
| certain spot on the power supply and take a reading. Or no one has said to
me
| to take the multi-meter and take a reading from the connector on the
| motherboard while the P1 is plugged in or whatever. All these answers are
in
| the grey area.
| Anyone would get upset with these answers after someone saying you don't
| know your elbow from you know what and then saying to take your PC to a PC
| tech.
| I just want some definite answers. Just the way I would answer someone
who
| asked a question if I knew the answer.
| Thanks,
attilathehun1
| --
| attilathehun1
|
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
|
| > Boo-hoo-hoo. Here's a Kleenex. Now, blow. Good boy!
| >
| > Have you figured out if the power button works or not? Or are you too
cheap
| > to buy a multi-tester?
| >
| > --
| > Gary S. Terhune
| > MS-MVP Shell/User
| > www.grystmill.com
| >
| > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
| > news:E2FA0310-D0A4-48ED-960C-6500BB8C4021@microsoft.com...
| > > Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the last
PC
| > > tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought
the PC
| > > into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just to
buy
| > > a
| > > power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He
told me
| > > don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be no
| > > problems.
| > > Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said
wtf
| > > is
| > > this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I
thought
| > > you
| > > said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother...
ripped
| > > me
| > > off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him
this
| > > would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.
| > > Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain from
a
| > > molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got damaged
or
| > > shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip into
the
| > > two
| > > pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.
| > > See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice,
plain
| > > and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords,
you
| > > (pl)
| > > don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See
I've
| > > encountered your kind. Read upwards.
| > > Ok, thanks for nothing.
| > > attilathehun1
| > >
| > > See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is it
that
| > > bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that bad,
then
| > > forget it.
| > >
| > > --
| > > attilathehun1
| > >
| > >
| > > "attilathehun1" wrote:
| > >
| > >> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power
| > >> button
| > >> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I
hit
| > >> the
| > >> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the
power
| > >> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of
elimination to
| > >> do
| > >> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of
elimination.
| > >> Thanks, attilathehun1
| > >> --
| > >> attilathehun1
| >
| >

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

That's the definite answer, the one Philo gave you a long time ago (and
which you didn't understand then) and it is NOT anyone else's fault that you
don't know enough to understand that answer. That you need it explained in
kindergarten detail and in several different ways is a sign that you need to
go back to a real school, not try to hang here with the big boys and girls.
This is ELECTRICITY we're talking about and it can KILL YOU!!! That's worst
case. Best case is you squeak through OK. Likely outcome is another fried
component, or one just damaged by you when you're doing something else and
not paying attention (which is what it sounds like happened to your power
switch.

But, as I said elsewhere, using a screwdriver to short pins inside a box
that has live juice running to it is a fool's move. If you want to know if
the power button is working, the best thing to do is test the power button.
Does that make just a little sense to you?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:51FC4614-4754-4961-A977-1FFCC1B31D4D@microsoft.com...
> Ok, I've read through all the messages and the closest someone has come to
> a
> definite answer is : just unplug the connector from the mobo and jump the
> two
> terminals together with a small screwdriver. Now what two terminals? You
> mean
> the P1 connector to the spot where it goes into the mobo? You have to be a
> bit more definite. I don't want to mess up the PC by trial and error with
> a
> screwdriver.
> That's it. A simple answer like: take off the P1 connector and touch the
> P1
> connector to the spot on the mobo where it was just conected with a small
> screwdriver. Touch the two together forming a connection instead of having
> the connection plugged in. Form the connection with the screwdriver with
> the
> P1 unconnected to the mobo.
> That's it. A definite answer
> Anyone with a definite answer will be greatly and I say greatly
> appreciated.
> Thanks, attilathehun1
>
> --
> attilathehun1
>
>
> "w_tom" wrote:
>
>> On May 9, 10:37 pm, attilathehun1
>> <attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> > I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same
>> > thing
>> > as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the
>> > power
>> > supply or front panel start up button assembly.
>>
>> If computer literate, then you also knew about the power supply
>> controller and what is 'integral' per Don Phillipson.
>>
>> What will that 'someone' else do? Probably read voltages on green
>> and purple wire (only 15 seconds), then charge you thirty some dollars
>> labor to pinch a loose wire with needle nose pliers. You would fear
>> to even do those 15 seconds of labor?
>>
>> Why did you start another discussion? Useful replies from that
>> previous discussion don't change only because you did not like
>> answers. Any useful answer requires you to do things you never did
>> before.
>>
>> I concur with Gary. You are bound and determined to keep asking the
>> same question until someone posts what you want to hear. Spend the
>> money. Take that computer to someone who also knows about the power
>> supply controller - who does not fear to learn using numbers. Then
>> thinking through the problem is made redundant.
>>
>> "." in that previous thread even provided citations that most any
>> computer literate person knows or learns from. Any child can assemble
>> a computer. It is why most computer techs do not even know how
>> electricity works. One need not know much about computers to assemble
>> one. Even the plugs are shaped different so that a child will not
>> connect wrong wires together. Anyone can assemble a PC.
>>
>> Knowing why a computer works is best accomplished by following the
>> evidence - tracing a failure to its defect. With information from
>> ".", one learns how that switch is integral to a power supply system.
>> Learned why shorting a green wire would not answer your question.
>> Learned why reposting the same question will only get the same
>> answers.
>>