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thanatoid · May 17, 2008

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
news:KKGdnZm6fOcqNLPVnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@ntd.net:

<SNIP>

>> OK, so the message got through. It seems that MS groups
>> are not moderated as far as Usenet is concerned. The
>> filtering must be local to the MS news server. This means
>> that only those using the MS server will be affected.
>>
>> - Franc Zabkar
>
> That seems to be the case...
> as my own news server usually displays more messages than
> the MS news server

Hey Philo - long time no type.
WHY would anyone use MS servers to begin with?

--
There is no doubt that life is given us, not to be enjoyed, but
to be overcome--to be got over.

- Arthur Schopenhauer

philo · May 17, 2008

"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9AA18BFE66B54thanexit@66.250.146.158...
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:KKGdnZm6fOcqNLPVnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@ntd.net:
>
> <SNIP>
>
> >> OK, so the message got through. It seems that MS groups
> >> are not moderated as far as Usenet is concerned. The
> >> filtering must be local to the MS news server. This means
> >> that only those using the MS server will be affected.
> >>
> >> - Franc Zabkar
> >
> > That seems to be the case...
> > as my own news server usually displays more messages than
> > the MS news server
>
> Hey Philo - long time no type.
> WHY would anyone use MS servers to begin with?
>

Back a few weeks ago I was posting here a lot because my regular news server
went down.
(The feed was lost upstream from my ISP)

The backup news server I have , Teranews puts their sig. on all posts ...
so I was only using it minimally...
The MS server was working OK...but not all posts appeared on it.
The dropped posts were not spam and they seemed to be on topic...
so I don't know why they dropped...
But I see all kinds of odd behavior...with posts just plain disappearing
from time to time.

Anyway...now that the weather is better I'll probably be outside a bit more
working on my garden and doing some home repairs. My house was built in 1898
and I love it...mostly because it's even older than I am and still standing
!!!!

MEB · May 17, 2008

Yeah, I suppose that could be,, a misunderstanding

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:OpzJ7YEuIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| Good for you. But I'm surprised that any MVP would claim that there is NO
| filtering of the MS server. I'm not sure for how long, but I've known for
| years, at least. Every MVP that I know who regularly attends this group
has
| also known. Both for SPAM and for obscenities, and possibly, in a few
cases,
| for legal reasons. And, of course, whenever any bot filtering is involved,
| all kinds of silly oddities are going to show up. Then you add the fact
that
| it's run by Microsoft, and they just aren't really good at making this
kind
| of stuff work (c.f . Hotmail, Live, the old Passport.)
|
| No, I suspect a misunderstanding, probably derived from differing
| definitions of terms.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:emuYzAEuIHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > So we have come full circle, back to my original posts concerning
| > filtering
| > of MS [last year, disclaimed by several parties, MVPs included], and
posts
| > which may appear out in USENET and not here [postings to Sunny and
98Guy,
| > several months ago]... which I previously demonstrated...
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| >
| > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > news:KKGdnZm6fOcqNLPVnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@ntd.net...
| > |
| > | "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
| > | news:qu5t24d6iu6ttb67sol1e9aotara9687jr@4ax.com...
| > | > On Sat, 17 May 2008 18:27:32 +1000, Franc Zabkar
| > | > <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:
| > | >
| > | > >On 17 May 2008 07:07:12 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid>
put
| > | > >finger to keyboard and composed:
| > | > >
| > | > >>f lood
| > | > >
| > | > >Let me try one more thing. I'm now using Internode's news server
| > | > >exclusively to send this reply. Previously I was using both
Internode
| > | > >and MS in my access plan.
| > | > >
| > | > >f lood
| > | > >
| > | > >- Franc Zabkar
| > | >
| > | > OK, so the message got through. It seems that MS groups are not
| > | > moderated as far as Usenet is concerned. The filtering must be local
| > | > to the MS news server. This means that only those using the MS
server
| > | > will be affected.
| > | >
| > | > - Franc Zabkar
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | That seems to be the case...
| > | as my own news server usually displays more messages than the MS news
| > server
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|

Franc Zabkar · May 17, 2008

On Sat, 17 May 2008 04:49:55 -0500, "philo" <philo@privacy.net> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
>news:qu5t24d6iu6ttb67sol1e9aotara9687jr@4ax.com...

>> OK, so the message got through. It seems that MS groups are not
>> moderated as far as Usenet is concerned. The filtering must be local
>> to the MS news server. This means that only those using the MS server
>> will be affected.
>>
>> - Franc Zabkar
>
>That seems to be the case...
>as my own news server usually displays more messages than the MS news server

I initially thought that this MS group was moderated because any
message that I sent via aioe.org failed to appear in my Internode news
feed. However it turns out that aioe.org was coincidentally having a
problem where it would accept my posts but not forward them on to
other news servers. The result, ie discarded messages, was consistent
with moderation.

This is what Sunny posted in another thread:

"The news server operating at 194.177.96.78 (web.aioe.org) seems to
function normally, and it is accepting local posts, but it doesn't
display any local posts - not even those posted to the local aioe
groups. It's probably also not propagating any local posts either."

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

PCR · May 17, 2008

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ugO%23yc8tIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| PCR wrote:
| > Franc Zabkar wrote:
| >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 04:19:27 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not
here@hotmail.com>
| >> put finger to keyboard and composed:
| >>
| >>> Remove the alternative [get it] homebuilt reference, just that
| >>> reference. I tried it, it won't go through.
| >>>
| >>> --
| >>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| >>
| >> Thanks, I get it now, although I think it's bizarre.
| >>
| >> I wonder what other words or phrases are taboo.
| >>
| >> BTW, I searched for "f l o o d" in the Google Groups archives for
this
| >> NG and found a post dated March 22, 2008. Therefore this block must
be
| >> relatively recent.
| >
| > I confirm the word "f l o o d" can no longer be posted to this NG
| > without the spaces. In my Sent Items, I have a Nov. '06 response to
a
| > Terhune post that used that forbidden word! He praised me in that
post &
| > wanted me to write a new master post about the time zone changes-- &
now
| > it is gone forever!
| >
| >> http://tinyurl.com/46o35u
| >
| > That's at Google, BUT -- although 2 other Mike Y. posts show up for
that
| > date at this NG -- that one no longer does. It isn't in my resently
| > reset .dbx, anyhow! Therefore, this thing is retroactive in scope!
The
| > Bill in Co. post he responded to is here-- but not Mike Y.'s reply!
|
| That's because I'm invincible. Ooops, I meant incorrigible...

LOL-- but can you say "f l o o d" without the quotes? It's beginning to
look as if that cannot be done-- unless you do not use the MS server.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PCR · May 17, 2008

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Sat, 17 May 2008 18:27:32 +1000, Franc Zabkar
| <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>On 17 May 2008 07:07:12 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid> put
|>finger to keyboard and composed:
|>
|>>f lood
|>
|>Let me try one more thing. I'm now using Internode's news server
|>exclusively to send this reply. Previously I was using both Internode
|>and MS in my access plan.
|>
|>f lood
|>
|>- Franc Zabkar
|
| OK, so the message got through. It seems that MS groups are not
| moderated as far as Usenet is concerned. The filtering must be local
| to the MS news server. This means that only those using the MS server
| will be affected.

ALL THREE instances of the word "f lood" in this post have a space
between the "f" & "l"-- therefore, it STILL isn't getting through to
this NG! I don't believe your theory about using a different news server
holds water. I don't see the thanatoid post you responded to, either! It
seems you are responding to my post, instead!

|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Franc Zabkar · May 17, 2008

On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:29:53 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar wrote:
>| On Sat, 17 May 2008 18:27:32 +1000, Franc Zabkar
>| <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>|
>|>On 17 May 2008 07:07:12 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid> put
>|>finger to keyboard and composed:
>|>
>|>>f lood
>|>
>|>Let me try one more thing. I'm now using Internode's news server
>|>exclusively to send this reply. Previously I was using both Internode
>|>and MS in my access plan.
>|>
>|>f lood
>|>
>|>- Franc Zabkar
>|
>| OK, so the message got through. It seems that MS groups are not
>| moderated as far as Usenet is concerned. The filtering must be local
>| to the MS news server. This means that only those using the MS server
>| will be affected.
>
>ALL THREE instances of the word "f lood" in this post have a space
>between the "f" & "l"-- therefore, it STILL isn't getting through to
>this NG! I don't believe your theory about using a different news server
>holds water. I don't see the thanatoid post you responded to, either! It
>seems you are responding to my post, instead!

You won't see thanatoid's post because you are getting your news feed
from a filtered source, ie MS. I see it because I have two news
servers in my access plan, MS and Internode.

Thanatoid was able to use the actual word because he posted to a
non-MS news server, but I had to add a space to his word in my reply
because I was using MS.

See the Google Groups archives:
http://groups.google.com/group/micr.../a5e46018ef6dbc9f/f38d3185d7d44421?lnk=st&q=#
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...ead/thread/a5e46018ef6dbc9f/932e21ed9eb31ed3#

These are the references in the headers of my previous message:

<3frn24p7nnvo13gcqtr69rstbbvhl3dcnr@4ax.com>
<p7sn24tbjfl8dcgcba7bs9dqvdriccer6o@4ax.com>
<uPmqtRmtIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
<o2un24p43bpf9d94rkdt484jgfv13mum5i@4ax.com>
<#uumGp7tIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
<Xns9AA1F8663072thanexit@66.250.146.158>

<hj5t241ajro0s6tskonis14sf9cp1t3qni@4ax.com>

^^^^ this is thanatoid's post which you didn't see ^^^^

<qu5t24d6iu6ttb67sol1e9aotara9687jr@4ax.com>
<KKGdnZm6fOcqNLPVnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@ntd.net>

Go here ...

http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&

.... and paste any of the above references into Google's Message ID
box.

- Franc Zabkar
--
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thanatoid · May 18, 2008

Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in
news:8meu24duljf4brtc4lec2j5r7mp91ojbsm@4ax.com:

<SNIP>

> However it turns out that
> aioe.org was coincidentally having a problem where it would
> accept my posts but not forward them on to other news
> servers. The result, ie discarded messages, was consistent
> with moderation.

You may all already know this but I read a few days aioe lost
their domain name (non-payment or something!), so maybe this is
all part of what appears to be changing or modifying
server/provider setup for them - the URL's seem a little
different than the original one AFAICT.

Oh well.

--
There is no doubt that life is given us, not to be enjoyed, but
to be overcome--to be got over.

- Arthur Schopenhauer

PCR · May 18, 2008

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:29:53 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>Franc Zabkar wrote:
|>| On Sat, 17 May 2008 18:27:32 +1000, Franc Zabkar
|>| <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:
|>|
|>|>On 17 May 2008 07:07:12 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid>
|>|>put finger to keyboard and composed:
|>|>
|>|>>f lood
|>|>
|>|>Let me try one more thing. I'm now using Internode's news server
|>|>exclusively to send this reply. Previously I was using both
|>|>Internode and MS in my access plan.
|>|>
|>|>f lood
|>|>
|>|>- Franc Zabkar
|>|
|>| OK, so the message got through. It seems that MS groups are not
|>| moderated as far as Usenet is concerned. The filtering must be local
|>| to the MS news server. This means that only those using the MS
|>| server will be affected.
|>
|>ALL THREE instances of the word "f lood" in this post have a space
|>between the "f" & "l"-- therefore, it STILL isn't getting through to
|>this NG! I don't believe your theory about using a different news
|>server holds water. I don't see the thanatoid post you responded to,
|>either! It seems you are responding to my post, instead!
|
| You won't see thanatoid's post because you are getting your news feed
| from a filtered source, ie MS. I see it because I have two news
| servers in my access plan, MS and Internode.
|
| Thanatoid was able to use the actual word because he posted to a
| non-MS news server, but I had to add a space to his word in my reply
| because I was using MS.

So, no matter what news server you or thanatoid may use, still it won't
be visible to anyone using just the MS server? Where is the post? Is it
taken & stored by MS-- or is it at Internode's storage area?

| See the Google Groups archives:
|
http://groups.google.com/group/micr.../a5e46018ef6dbc9f/f38d3185d7d44421?lnk=st&q=#

I see at Google thanatoid actually posted that forbidden word to me! It
was me he was trying to drown-- but I never saw it! You then responded
to him, & I see your response, because you put spaces into "f l o o d".
Later, you actually did post the word without any spaces. But I don't
see it here, only at Google.

What does it all mean? Google says the NG it is drawing posts from is
this one. So, these posts are actually stored at an MS data area? Or can
it be Google somehow draws the forbidden ones from an Internode storage
area?

|
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...ead/thread/a5e46018ef6dbc9f/932e21ed9eb31ed3#
|
| These are the references in the headers of my previous message:
|
| <3frn24p7nnvo13gcqtr69rstbbvhl3dcnr@4ax.com>
| <p7sn24tbjfl8dcgcba7bs9dqvdriccer6o@4ax.com>
| <uPmqtRmtIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
| <o2un24p43bpf9d94rkdt484jgfv13mum5i@4ax.com>
| <#uumGp7tIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
| <Xns9AA1F8663072thanexit@66.250.146.158>
|
| <hj5t241ajro0s6tskonis14sf9cp1t3qni@4ax.com>
|
| ^^^^ this is thanatoid's post which you didn't see ^^^^
|
| <qu5t24d6iu6ttb67sol1e9aotara9687jr@4ax.com>
| <KKGdnZm6fOcqNLPVnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@ntd.net>
|
| Go here ...
|
| http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&
|
| ... and paste any of the above references into Google's Message ID
| box.
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

thanatoid · May 19, 2008

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
news:OpuXxMVuIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

<SNIP>

>|>ALL THREE instances of the word "f lood" in this post have
>|>a space between the "f" & "l"-- therefore, it STILL isn't
>|>getting through to this NG! I don't believe your theory
>|>about using a different news server holds water. I don't
>|>see the thanatoid post you responded to, either! It seems
>|>you are responding to my post, instead!
>|
>| You won't see thanatoid's post because you are getting
>| your news feed from a filtered source, ie MS. I see it
>| because I have two news servers in my access plan, MS and
>| Internode.
>|
>| Thanatoid was able to use the actual word because he
>| posted to a non-MS news server, but I had to add a space
>| to his word in my reply because I was using MS.
>
> So, no matter what news server you or thanatoid may use,
> still it won't be visible to anyone using just the MS
> server? Where is the post? Is it taken & stored by MS-- or
> is it at Internode's storage area?
>
>| See the Google Groups archives:
>|
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_di
> scussion/browse_thread/thread/a5e46018ef6dbc9f/f38d3185d7d44
> 421?lnk=st&q=#
>
> I see at Google thanatoid actually posted that forbidden
> word to me! It was me he was trying to drown-- but I never
> saw it!

Frankly, I no longer have ANY idea what this thread is really
about, except that it appears fairly clear that anyone using MS
/or/ GG should be forcibly confined to their basement without
any internet access.

As to "drowning" you, I don't know what THAT means either. I
posted the word because it appeared some of you thought the word
could NOT be posted, I was sure it could, and it was.

So there.

HTH.

--
There is no doubt that life is given us, not to be enjoyed, but
to be overcome--to be got over.

- Arthur Schopenhauer

Franc Zabkar · May 19, 2008

On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:54:23 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar wrote:
>| On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:29:53 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
>| finger to keyboard and composed:
>|
>|>Franc Zabkar wrote:
>|>| On Sat, 17 May 2008 18:27:32 +1000, Franc Zabkar
>|>| <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>|>|
>|>|>On 17 May 2008 07:07:12 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid>
>|>|>put finger to keyboard and composed:
>|>|>
>|>|>>f lood
>|>|>
>|>|>Let me try one more thing. I'm now using Internode's news server
>|>|>exclusively to send this reply. Previously I was using both
>|>|>Internode and MS in my access plan.
>|>|>
>|>|>f lood
>|>|>
>|>|>- Franc Zabkar
>|>|
>|>| OK, so the message got through. It seems that MS groups are not
>|>| moderated as far as Usenet is concerned. The filtering must be local
>|>| to the MS news server. This means that only those using the MS
>|>| server will be affected.
>|>
>|>ALL THREE instances of the word "f lood" in this post have a space
>|>between the "f" & "l"-- therefore, it STILL isn't getting through to
>|>this NG! I don't believe your theory about using a different news
>|>server holds water. I don't see the thanatoid post you responded to,
>|>either! It seems you are responding to my post, instead!
>|
>| You won't see thanatoid's post because you are getting your news feed
>| from a filtered source, ie MS. I see it because I have two news
>| servers in my access plan, MS and Internode.
>|
>| Thanatoid was able to use the actual word because he posted to a
>| non-MS news server, but I had to add a space to his word in my reply
>| because I was using MS.
>
>So, no matter what news server you or thanatoid may use, still it won't
>be visible to anyone using just the MS server? Where is the post? Is it
>taken & stored by MS-- or is it at Internode's storage area?
>
>| See the Google Groups archives:
>|
>http://groups.google.com/group/micr.../a5e46018ef6dbc9f/f38d3185d7d44421?lnk=st&q=#
>
>I see at Google thanatoid actually posted that forbidden word to me! It
>was me he was trying to drown-- but I never saw it! You then responded
>to him, & I see your response, because you put spaces into "f l o o d".
>Later, you actually did post the word without any spaces. But I don't
>see it here, only at Google.
>
>What does it all mean? Google says the NG it is drawing posts from is
>this one. So, these posts are actually stored at an MS data area? Or can
>it be Google somehow draws the forbidden ones from an Internode storage
>area?

When you post a message to Usenet, it goes to the news server of your
choice. This news server then propagates your post to other news
servers, and these propagate it to others, and so on. Each news server
stores a copy of the post for a limited time, after which it is
discarded. Some news servers have a retention period of a few days,
others retain your post for 6 months or more. Google archives them for
posterity.

When thanatoid posted his "forbidden" message, his news server
propagated it to both MS and Internode. I saw it in my Internode news
feed but you didn't see it because your MS news feed is filtered.

My news reader, Agent, has two news servers in its access plan, MS and
Internode. When retrieving messages, Agent downloads every message at
both news servers. However, when sending messages, Agent tries the
news servers in order. MS is first on my list, so if Agent is
successful in posting to MS, then it doesn't post the same message
again to Internode. That's why I wasn't able to see my own forbidden
posts.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Gary S. Terhune · May 19, 2008

Thought you might find additional help here... maybe...
microsoft.public.news.server

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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> identity
> identifier
> Identifying
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

PCR · May 19, 2008

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:54:23 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>Franc Zabkar wrote:
|>| On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:29:53 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
|>| finger to keyboard and composed:
|>|
|>|>Franc Zabkar wrote:
|>|>| On Sat, 17 May 2008 18:27:32 +1000, Franc Zabkar
|>|>| <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:
|>|>|
|>|>|>On 17 May 2008 07:07:12 GMT, thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid>
|>|>|>put finger to keyboard and composed:
|>|>|>
|>|>|>>f lood
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Let me try one more thing. I'm now using Internode's news server
|>|>|>exclusively to send this reply. Previously I was using both
|>|>|>Internode and MS in my access plan.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>f lood
|>|>|>
|>|>|>- Franc Zabkar
|>|>|
|>|>| OK, so the message got through. It seems that MS groups are not
|>|>| moderated as far as Usenet is concerned. The filtering must be
|>|>| local to the MS news server. This means that only those using the
|>|>| MS server will be affected.
|>|>
|>|>ALL THREE instances of the word "f lood" in this post have a space
|>|>between the "f" & "l"-- therefore, it STILL isn't getting through to
|>|>this NG! I don't believe your theory about using a different news
|>|>server holds water. I don't see the thanatoid post you responded to,
|>|>either! It seems you are responding to my post, instead!
|>|
|>| You won't see thanatoid's post because you are getting your news
|>| feed from a filtered source, ie MS. I see it because I have two news
|>| servers in my access plan, MS and Internode.
|>|
|>| Thanatoid was able to use the actual word because he posted to a
|>| non-MS news server, but I had to add a space to his word in my reply
|>| because I was using MS.
|>
|>So, no matter what news server you or thanatoid may use, still it
|>won't be visible to anyone using just the MS server? Where is the
|>post? Is it taken & stored by MS-- or is it at Internode's storage
|>area?
|>
|>| See the Google Groups archives:
|>|
|>http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/b
rowse_thread/thread/a5e46018ef6dbc9f/f38d3185d7d44421?lnk=st&q=#
|>
|>I see at Google thanatoid actually posted that forbidden word to me!
|>It was me he was trying to drown-- but I never saw it! You then
|>responded to him, & I see your response, because you put spaces into
|>"f l o o d". Later, you actually did post the word without any
|>spaces. But I don't see it here, only at Google.
|>
|>What does it all mean? Google says the NG it is drawing posts from is
|>this one. So, these posts are actually stored at an MS data area? Or
|>can it be Google somehow draws the forbidden ones from an Internode
|>storage area?
|
| When you post a message to Usenet, it goes to the news server of your
| choice. This news server then propagates your post to other news
| servers, and these propagate it to others, and so on. Each news server
| stores a copy of the post for a limited time, after which it is
| discarded. Some news servers have a retention period of a few days,
| others retain your post for 6 months or more. Google archives them for
| posterity.

So, each news server has its own storage area for posts to this MS
newsgroup, it seems. And no matter which we post to, all of them should
get the post because they should send it to each other. HOWEVER, it
seems MS will delete forbidden ones & not share them. It will delete
them whether sent directly to them by a user or whether another NG feeds
it to them-- right? But you may still see it at Internode, if it was
originally sent through them. You don't see any of my attempts to post
that word into this thread-- right?

| When thanatoid posted his "forbidden" message, his news server
| propagated it to both MS and Internode. I saw it in my Internode news
| feed but you didn't see it because your MS news feed is filtered.

I guess MS deletes them from its storage area. You 'n thanatoid are
seeing them at Internode. But you don't see the ones I posted to this
thread using the MS server-- right?

| My news reader, Agent, has two news servers in its access plan, MS and
| Internode. When retrieving messages, Agent downloads every message at
| both news servers. However, when sending messages, Agent tries the
| news servers in order. MS is first on my list, so if Agent is
| successful in posting to MS, then it doesn't post the same message
| again to Internode.

Hmm. OK.

| That's why I wasn't able to see my own forbidden
| posts.
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

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PCR · May 19, 2008

Franc Zabkar · May 20, 2008

On Mon, 19 May 2008 22:24:29 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar wrote:
>| On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:54:23 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
>| finger to keyboard and composed:

>| When thanatoid posted his "forbidden" message, his news server
>| propagated it to both MS and Internode. I saw it in my Internode news
>| feed but you didn't see it because your MS news feed is filtered.
>
>I guess MS deletes them from its storage area. You 'n thanatoid are
>seeing them at Internode. But you don't see the ones I posted to this
>thread using the MS server-- right?

I'm seeing them at Internode. Thanatoid is seeing them at his own news
server.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Franc Zabkar · May 20, 2008

On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:08:39 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Thought you might find additional help here... maybe...
>microsoft.public.news.server

I just posted a question there. It showed up in my MS news feed
without delay so it appears that m.p.n.s is not filtered. I included
the word "f lood" and the name of the alt[ernative] hardware group.

- Franc Zabkar
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PCR · May 20, 2008

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Mon, 19 May 2008 22:24:29 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>Franc Zabkar wrote:
|>| On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:54:23 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
|>| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>| When thanatoid posted his "forbidden" message, his news server
|>| propagated it to both MS and Internode. I saw it in my Internode
|>| news feed but you didn't see it because your MS news feed is
|>| filtered.
|>
|>I guess MS deletes them from its storage area. You 'n thanatoid are
|>seeing them at Internode. But you don't see the ones I posted to this
|>thread using the MS server-- right?
|
| I'm seeing them at Internode. Thanatoid is seeing them at his own news
| server.

Interesting. So, MS sends them along to other servers despite preventing
users of just their own server from seeing them? Hmph! OK, thanks for
the information.

I guess... when one of my own posts goes missing here again... it could
be because I have used an innocent looking forbidden word, such as "f
lood" (w/o the space). Good to know. Thanks, again.

| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Testing

thanatoid

philo

MEB

Franc Zabkar

PCR

PCR

Franc Zabkar

thanatoid

PCR

thanatoid

Franc Zabkar

Gary S. Terhune

PCR

PCR

Franc Zabkar

Franc Zabkar

PCR

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