EMM386: Unrecoverable privileged operation error #I7

[MEB]

"rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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| On 27 May, 18:48, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| <lots of snipping done to hopefully avoid OE reader problems>
|
| Re: voodoo recommendations ->
|
| Thanks, I will try them.
|
| Re: Win95 ->
|
| I've had a massive stroke of luck with this - I simply wiped the
| (Win98) HDD, left every single hardware component where it was (from
| the successful Win98 installation), installed Win95 and almost
| everything worked first time! A few things I didn't need didn't work,
| but that's OK!

Like no USB 2.0, needing to install motherboard drivers, and other later
updates found in SP1/Win98-SP2/SE.

|
| Re: using a different message format ->
|
| Actually, I'm not too sure what to do here. I use google groups to do
| all of this posting message stuff. I'm not sure if you have any
| control over formatting. I must learn to use a client-based
| newsgroups reader! (I don't think I've ever used one in my life -
| I've heard that using google groups is really bad, but I still use
| it. I must be an idiot.)
|
| In the meantime, I hope you can read this reply OK without it messing
| up your OE.

My bad, though I looked at the message header, I walked right by the
googlegroups [duh for me]...

Why not use a direct connect to the group with your news reader?
{Apparently you were using the Google web interface?}
Been awhile since I set up Google, seems there was a way to declare type or
UTF-8 in User Settings or News reply... maybe not..

|
| Re: "You still haven't explained why you want all these sound cards
| installed." ->
|
| It's just that for DOS software, I want a lot of choice when it comes
| to selecting the music and sound effects simply because it's fun to be
| able to listen to music on various different (ISA) cards. And I also
| wanted a (PCI) Windows 9x-based sound card too for things like EAX, 3D
| sound, etc. Really it just boils down to having some fun with lots of
| different sound options to play around with.
|
| Thanks, best regards, Robert.

Oh, I can relate to that, one of those been there/done that moments. Its
really fun if you can find the different "sound packs"/extensions for the
cards [if available,- reverbs, echoes, etc..].. I had an old MediaVision
card that blew away almost everything else I tried, way better sound than
8bit/16bit Creative's. It was a full blown [complete hardware, its was
LARGE] card with lots [comparatively] of configurable memory and mods to
play with.

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[MEB]

Can't in this installation, its a base test installation being used to test
Live access, and browsers supported.

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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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| On Tue, 27 May 2008 14:21:40 -0700 (PDT), rpgs rock dvds
| <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| >On 27 May, 18:48, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| >
| ><lots of snipping done to hopefully avoid OE reader problems>
| >
| >Re: using a different message format ->
| >
| >Actually, I'm not too sure what to do here. I use google groups to do
| >all of this posting message stuff. I'm not sure if you have any
| >control over formatting. I must learn to use a client-based
| >newsgroups reader! (I don't think I've ever used one in my life -
| >I've heard that using google groups is really bad, but I still use
| >it. I must be an idiot.)
|
| Web based news readers are slow and cumbersome. The good thing about
| Google, however, is that it maintains a complete archive of the
| non-binary groups.
|
| >In the meantime, I hope you can read this reply OK without it messing
| >up your OE.
|
| The problem is at OE's end. OE doesn't know how to properly quote
| "quoted printable" formats. AFAIK there is a fix for this, but not
| many OE users bother to install it.
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Wed, 28 May 2008 08:12:03 +1000, Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>On Tue, 27 May 2008 14:21:40 -0700 (PDT), rpgs rock dvds
><rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>>In the meantime, I hope you can read this reply OK without it messing
>>up your OE.
>
>The problem is at OE's end. OE doesn't know how to properly quote
>"quoted printable" formats. AFAIK there is a fix for this, but not
>many OE users bother to install it.

This *may* be a possible fix for OE:
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

Here is one MS document that explains why OE is designed to
(mis)behave the way that it does:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q168779/#appliesto

- Franc Zabkar
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[rpgs rock dvds]

On 28 May, 00:18, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:

| Re: Win95 ->
|
| I've had a massive stroke of luck with this - I simply wiped the
| (Win98) HDD, left every single hardware component where it was
(from
| the successful Win98 installation), installed Win95 and almost
| everything worked first time! A few things I didn't need didn't
work,
| but that's OK!


--->>> Like no USB 2.0, needing to install motherboard drivers, and
other later
updates found in SP1/Win98-SP2/SE.


Yes, the USB didn't work at all. However, ATM this is very low
priority, and I'm happy to leave this for now and then try a website
such as usbman and look thru their troubleshooting guide to figure out
why. But really for now, it's no big deal at all because the "Win95
side-project" is less important than the Win98 stuff.

I think the motherboard drivers installed OK actually. The Intel 440
chipset drivers installation appeared to be successful. Going very
briefly back to the (Win95) USB theme, When I ran the MS USB
supplement package to get USB on to Win95, I noticed on reboot an
error message flashed up on the screen extremely quickly saying
something like "bad command or filename".


| It's just that for DOS software, I want a lot of choice when it
comes
| to selecting the music and sound effects simply because it's fun to
be
| able to listen to music on various different (ISA) cards. And I
also
| wanted a (PCI) Windows 9x-based sound card too for things like EAX,
3D
| sound, etc. Really it just boils down to having some fun with lots
of
| different sound options to play around with.
|
| Thanks, best regards, Robert.


--->>> Oh, I can relate to that, one of those been there/done that
moments. Its
really fun if you can find the different "sound packs"/extensions for
the
cards [if available,- reverbs, echoes, etc..].. I had an old
MediaVision
card that blew away almost everything else I tried, way better sound
than
8bit/16bit Creative's. It was a full blown [complete hardware, its
was
LARGE] card with lots [comparatively] of configurable memory and mods
to
play with.


You're making me want one of these things now!! lol.

Best regards, Robert.

 

[rpgs rock dvds]

On 25 May, 22:22, Franc Zabkar <fzab...@iinternode.on.net> wrote:

<snipped previous post messages to simplify things a bit>

Franc, please may I ask you a somewhat off-topic question? Many
thanks if this is OK...

It's regarding a used MSI motherboard I bought recently. The model
is:

MS6119 ver 1.2 BX2

If I attach a large capacity HDD to this mobo (such as a 160gb or
300gb HDD), it hangs on POST when the mobo attempts to ascertain it's
size. If I physically "cap" the HDD with a jumper to limit its size
to 32gb, everything is OK.

I flashed the BIOS to the very latest version (version p2.9, Award)
and I also tried flashing to the penultimate version as well (version
p2.8, Award).

URL information =

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=332

Browsing this MSI website, I notice with interest that they have two
different BIOSs on offer for the same board - one is a more up-to-date
Award BIOS (which I have tried as mentioned above), the other is an
older dated AMI BIOS. (Please note, I haven't tried the older AMI
BIOS offerings yet.)

I *think* (regarding large capacity HDDs) that I may be out of luck
with this mobo, but before I give up on it, I'd thought I'd run this
problem past you to see if you could offer any pearls of wisdom.

Many thanks, best regards, Robert.

 

[John Dulak]

rpgs rock dvds wrote:
> On 25 May, 22:22, Franc Zabkar <fzab...@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
>
> <snipped previous post messages to simplify things a bit>
>
> Franc, please may I ask you a somewhat off-topic question? Many
> thanks if this is OK...
>
> It's regarding a used MSI motherboard I bought recently. The model
> is:
>
> MS6119 ver 1.2 BX2
>
> If I attach a large capacity HDD to this mobo (such as a 160gb or
> 300gb HDD), it hangs on POST when the mobo attempts to ascertain it's
> size. If I physically "cap" the HDD with a jumper to limit its size
> to 32gb, everything is OK.
>
> I flashed the BIOS to the very latest version (version p2.9, Award)
> and I also tried flashing to the penultimate version as well (version
> p2.8, Award).
>
> URL information =
>
> http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=332
>
> Browsing this MSI website, I notice with interest that they have two
> different BIOSs on offer for the same board - one is a more up-to-date
> Award BIOS (which I have tried as mentioned above), the other is an
> older dated AMI BIOS. (Please note, I haven't tried the older AMI
> BIOS offerings yet.)
>
> I *think* (regarding large capacity HDDs) that I may be out of luck
> with this mobo, but before I give up on it, I'd thought I'd run this
> problem past you to see if you could offer any pearls of wisdom.
>
> Many thanks, best regards, Robert.

Robert:


The "s6119s2a.exe" file listed on this page:

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=332

says it supports drives larger than 64Gig

Also on the above page is a listing for the p2.9 BIOS where it states:
"This is only for mainboard with "CPU PLUG AND PLAY" function."
Perhaps your MB does not have this function and cannot use the p2.9 BIOS.

HTH & GL

John

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[rpgs rock dvds]

On 28 May, 17:47, John Dulak <Jo...@Boogus.com> wrote:

> The "s6119s2a.exe" file listed on this page:
>
> http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&main...
>
> says it supports drives larger than 64Gig
>
> Also on the above page is a listing for the p2.9 BIOS where it states:
> "This is only for mainboard with "CPU PLUG AND PLAY" function."
> Perhaps your MB does not have this function and cannot use the p2.9 BIOS.
>
> HTH & GL
>
> John


Hi John,

Many thanks for your post.

I must admit that I previously spent over half an hour trying to get
my head around this BIOS webpage from MSI. The thing is, my 6119 mobo
is a CPU PnP mobo. And so I tried both the p2.8 and p2.9 PnP BIOSs,
but they both hung with a large HDD attached.

Now it's so interesting that they also list a "special" BIOS on this
webpage, as you pointed out, which deals with large HDDs. But, the
problem I have is that it states this particular BIOS (Version s2.a)
is for the standard (non-PnP) mobo. Now my reasoning says "don't use
it, you've got the PnP mobo and not the standard mobo".

But should I give it a go?!?!

Best regards, Robert.

 

[MEB]

"rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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| On 28 May, 00:18, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| | Re: Win95 ->
| |
| | I've had a massive stroke of luck with this - I simply wiped the
| | (Win98) HDD, left every single hardware component where it was
| (from
| | the successful Win98 installation), installed Win95 and almost
| | everything worked first time! A few things I didn't need didn't
| work,
| | but that's OK!
|
|
| --->>> Like no USB 2.0, needing to install motherboard drivers, and
| other later
| updates found in SP1/Win98-SP2/SE.
|
|
| Yes, the USB didn't work at all. However, ATM this is very low
| priority, and I'm happy to leave this for now and then try a website
| such as usbman and look thru their troubleshooting guide to figure out
| why. But really for now, it's no big deal at all because the "Win95
| side-project" is less important than the Win98 stuff.
|
| I think the motherboard drivers installed OK actually. The Intel 440
| chipset drivers installation appeared to be successful. Going very
| briefly back to the (Win95) USB theme, When I ran the MS USB
| supplement package to get USB on to Win95, I noticed on reboot an
| error message flashed up on the screen extremely quickly saying
| something like "bad command or filename".

Had you caight the actual message we might have had something to work from.
Did/does USB seem to work? No boot delays or other errors?

|
|
| | It's just that for DOS software, I want a lot of choice when it
| comes
| | to selecting the music and sound effects simply because it's fun to
| be
| | able to listen to music on various different (ISA) cards. And I
| also
| | wanted a (PCI) Windows 9x-based sound card too for things like EAX,
| 3D
| | sound, etc. Really it just boils down to having some fun with lots
| of
| | different sound options to play around with.
| |
| | Thanks, best regards, Robert.
|
|
| --->>> Oh, I can relate to that, one of those been there/done that
| moments. Its
| really fun if you can find the different "sound packs"/extensions for
| the
| cards [if available,- reverbs, echoes, etc..].. I had an old
| MediaVision
| card that blew away almost everything else I tried, way better sound
| than
| 8bit/16bit Creative's. It was a full blown [complete hardware, its
| was
| LARGE] card with lots [comparatively] of configurable memory and mods
| to
| play with.
|
|
| You're making me want one of these things now!! lol.
|
| Best regards, Robert.

It was nice,, gave it to the Kids in one of their computers I built for
them, and they gave it away or junked it [so much good stuff gets junked, oh
well]...

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[rpgs rock dvds]

On 28 May, 18:46, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:

| I think the motherboard drivers installed OK actually.  The Intel
440
| chipset drivers installation appeared to be successful.  Going very
| briefly back to the (Win95) USB theme, When I ran the MS USB
| supplement package to get USB on to Win95, I noticed on reboot an
| error message flashed up on the screen extremely quickly saying
| something like "bad command or filename".

--->>> Had you caight the actual message we might have had something
to work from. Did/does USB seem to work? No boot delays or other
errors?

Please note that getting USB to work on Win95 ATM is very low
priority. Apart from the USB issue, I was really thrilled that so
much worked (and with such little effort) under Win95. However, now I
am very satisfied I've got the majority of things working on the
current mobo with both Win98 and Win95 (hardware profiles, 3 ISA sound
cards, 4th (PCI) sound card, 2 graphics cards, plus a 3dfx card), I am
now going to store the mobo away for a short period of time so that I
can concentrate back on good ol' Win98 with a "brand new" mobo - this
time a QDI BrillianX, and see how I get on with that. This time, I
got a whole new array of bits to stick in this one (a load more sound
cards both ISA and PCI, two more graphics cards, some SLI voodoo2s,
and another USB ethernet gadget), so it's going to be a whole new
learning experience!

No doubt I'll be posting one or two questions about it...probably
tomorrow morning! lol.

To answer your question about Win95 & USB, after performing the USB
install (both the MS USB initial supplement and the MS USB update
package), USB never worked at all - nothing ever appeared inside
Device Manager pertaining to USB at all. (EDIT---no wait a minute
something called PCI Universal Serial Bus was there with a "?" symbol
next to it.) Also, there are no boot delays or errors. (Please note
the Intel chipset driver package appeared to install ok straight after
I fresh-installed Win95.)

But as I say, I can go back to that and solve it after I do the much
more important Win98 stuff.

Actually, once I get Win98 working on the "new" QDI board, I'm going
have another go at Win95, so I'll put it on after I get Win98
working. (I've just bought BootIt NG, so I can also try that out
too.) Once Win95 is on, I'm going to have another go at USB.

Thanks a lot, Best regards, Robert.

 

[MEB]

Oh, okay, 95 issues are on the back burner then...

If you get the chance, you might want to search Google or your favorite
search engine for USB in 95 issues and save yourself some time.

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"rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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On 28 May, 18:46, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:

| I think the motherboard drivers installed OK actually. The Intel
440
| chipset drivers installation appeared to be successful. Going very
| briefly back to the (Win95) USB theme, When I ran the MS USB
| supplement package to get USB on to Win95, I noticed on reboot an
| error message flashed up on the screen extremely quickly saying
| something like "bad command or filename".

--->>> Had you caight the actual message we might have had something
to work from. Did/does USB seem to work? No boot delays or other
errors?

Please note that getting USB to work on Win95 ATM is very low
priority. Apart from the USB issue, I was really thrilled that so
much worked (and with such little effort) under Win95. However, now I
am very satisfied I've got the majority of things working on the
current mobo with both Win98 and Win95 (hardware profiles, 3 ISA sound
cards, 4th (PCI) sound card, 2 graphics cards, plus a 3dfx card), I am
now going to store the mobo away for a short period of time so that I
can concentrate back on good ol' Win98 with a "brand new" mobo - this
time a QDI BrillianX, and see how I get on with that. This time, I
got a whole new array of bits to stick in this one (a load more sound
cards both ISA and PCI, two more graphics cards, some SLI voodoo2s,
and another USB ethernet gadget), so it's going to be a whole new
learning experience!

No doubt I'll be posting one or two questions about it...probably
tomorrow morning! lol.

To answer your question about Win95 & USB, after performing the USB
install (both the MS USB initial supplement and the MS USB update
package), USB never worked at all - nothing ever appeared inside
Device Manager pertaining to USB at all. (EDIT---no wait a minute
something called PCI Universal Serial Bus was there with a "?" symbol
next to it.) Also, there are no boot delays or errors. (Please note
the Intel chipset driver package appeared to install ok straight after
I fresh-installed Win95.)

But as I say, I can go back to that and solve it after I do the much
more important Win98 stuff.

Actually, once I get Win98 working on the "new" QDI board, I'm going
have another go at Win95, so I'll put it on after I get Win98
working. (I've just bought BootIt NG, so I can also try that out
too.) Once Win95 is on, I'm going to have another go at USB.

Thanks a lot, Best regards, Robert.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Wed, 28 May 2008 05:52:36 -0700 (PDT), rpgs rock dvds
<rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>It's regarding a used MSI motherboard I bought recently. The model
>is:
>
>MS6119 ver 1.2 BX2
>
>If I attach a large capacity HDD to this mobo (such as a 160gb or
>300gb HDD), it hangs on POST when the mobo attempts to ascertain it's
>size. If I physically "cap" the HDD with a jumper to limit its size
>to 32gb, everything is OK.

This person has done a lot of patching to BIOSes of that era:
http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/k6plus.htm

It appears that these BIOSes were limited to 128GB HDs.

The OP in this thread appears to have the same problem as you:
http://www.wimsbios.com/phpBB2/topic1278.html

"Rainbow" claims he "can patch the 64GB bug in v2.9 BIOS".

This is his/her list of patched BIOSes (limited to 128GB):
http://wims.rainbow-software.org/index.php?count=-1

"The 32GB bug in Award BIOS that prevents many users from using HDD
larger than 32GB (BIOS hangs at detection) can be easily fixed in
existing BIOSes. The 64GB bug that causes hang at configuration table
can be also fixed."

>I flashed the BIOS to the very latest version (version p2.9, Award)
>and I also tried flashing to the penultimate version as well (version
>p2.8, Award).
>
>URL information =
>
>http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=332
>
>Browsing this MSI website, I notice with interest that they have two
>different BIOSs on offer for the same board - one is a more up-to-date
>Award BIOS (which I have tried as mentioned above), the other is an
>older dated AMI BIOS. (Please note, I haven't tried the older AMI
>BIOS offerings yet.)
>
>I *think* (regarding large capacity HDDs) that I may be out of luck
>with this mobo, but before I give up on it, I'd thought I'd run this
>problem past you to see if you could offer any pearls of wisdom.
>
>Many thanks, best regards, Robert.

The following links may be useful.

Harddisk Upgrade: The BIOS IDE Harddisk Limitations:
http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/bioslim.htm

BIOS Int 13h Extensions detection utility (6 KB ZIP-file):
http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/extbio13.zip

- Franc Zabkar
--
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[John Dulak]

rpgs rock dvds wrote:
> On 28 May, 17:47, John Dulak <Jo...@Boogus.com> wrote:
>
>> The "s6119s2a.exe" file listed on this page:
>>
>> http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&main...
>>
>> says it supports drives larger than 64Gig
>>
>> Also on the above page is a listing for the p2.9 BIOS where it states:
>> "This is only for mainboard with "CPU PLUG AND PLAY" function."
>> Perhaps your MB does not have this function and cannot use the p2.9 BIOS.
>>
>> HTH & GL
>>
>> John
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Many thanks for your post.
>
> I must admit that I previously spent over half an hour trying to get
> my head around this BIOS webpage from MSI. The thing is, my 6119 mobo
> is a CPU PnP mobo. And so I tried both the p2.8 and p2.9 PnP BIOSs,
> but they both hung with a large HDD attached.
>
> Now it's so interesting that they also list a "special" BIOS on this
> webpage, as you pointed out, which deals with large HDDs. But, the
> problem I have is that it states this particular BIOS (Version s2.a)
> is for the standard (non-PnP) mobo. Now my reasoning says "don't use
> it, you've got the PnP mobo and not the standard mobo".
>
> But should I give it a go?!?!
>
> Best regards, Robert.

Robert:

It is a bit ambiguous.

If it were mine and I did not have a lot invested in it, I would try
it. If it is flat out WRONG the flash utility will probably give an
error message if you try. Even if it fails to solve your problem there
is a fighting chance you can revert to the old BIOS and be no worse
off than you are now.

YMMV

John
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[Franc Zabkar]

On Wed, 28 May 2008 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT), rpgs rock dvds
<rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Hi John,
>
>Many thanks for your post.
>
>I must admit that I previously spent over half an hour trying to get
>my head around this BIOS webpage from MSI. The thing is, my 6119 mobo
>is a CPU PnP mobo. And so I tried both the p2.8 and p2.9 PnP BIOSs,
>but they both hung with a large HDD attached.
>
>Now it's so interesting that they also list a "special" BIOS on this
>webpage, as you pointed out, which deals with large HDDs. But, the
>problem I have is that it states this particular BIOS (Version s2.a)
>is for the standard (non-PnP) mobo. Now my reasoning says "don't use
>it, you've got the PnP mobo and not the standard mobo".
>
>But should I give it a go?!?!
>
>Best regards, Robert.

I would think that a PnP motherboard first detects the CPU type via a
BIOS CPUID routine, then looks up a Vcore table, and finally applies
the correct voltage to the CPU. Or maybe the Vcore can be manually set
in the BIOS setup, in which case the BIOS would consult the
appropriate location in CMOS RAM and then set Vcore accordingly.

A non-PnP BIOS would expect that the Vcore would be hardwired via
jumpers, which means that the BIOS could not control the Vcore. Hence
the Vcore voltage would remain at whatever level it initially powered
up at. I would think that this initial level would be the maximum
possible Vcore because otherwise you would not be able to power up
those CPUs requiring the highest voltages. It is only when the BIOS
determines that the CPU is a lower voltage type that the Vcore voltage
can be programmatically reduced. However a non-PnP BIOS would not be
able to do this, so the Vcore would remain at maximum, possibly
destroying the CPU (???).

That's my theory anyway ...

- Franc Zabkar
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[Franc Zabkar]

On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:30:52 +1000, Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>On Wed, 28 May 2008 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT), rpgs rock dvds
><rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>>Hi John,
>>
>>Many thanks for your post.
>>
>>I must admit that I previously spent over half an hour trying to get
>>my head around this BIOS webpage from MSI. The thing is, my 6119 mobo
>>is a CPU PnP mobo. And so I tried both the p2.8 and p2.9 PnP BIOSs,
>>but they both hung with a large HDD attached.
>>
>>Now it's so interesting that they also list a "special" BIOS on this
>>webpage, as you pointed out, which deals with large HDDs. But, the
>>problem I have is that it states this particular BIOS (Version s2.a)
>>is for the standard (non-PnP) mobo. Now my reasoning says "don't use
>>it, you've got the PnP mobo and not the standard mobo".
>>
>>But should I give it a go?!?!
>>
>>Best regards, Robert.
>
>I would think that a PnP motherboard first detects the CPU type via a
>BIOS CPUID routine, then looks up a Vcore table, and finally applies
>the correct voltage to the CPU. Or maybe the Vcore can be manually set
>in the BIOS setup, in which case the BIOS would consult the
>appropriate location in CMOS RAM and then set Vcore accordingly.
>
>A non-PnP BIOS would expect that the Vcore would be hardwired via
>jumpers, which means that the BIOS could not control the Vcore. Hence
>the Vcore voltage would remain at whatever level it initially powered
>up at. I would think that this initial level would be the maximum
>possible Vcore because otherwise you would not be able to power up
>those CPUs requiring the highest voltages. It is only when the BIOS
>determines that the CPU is a lower voltage type that the Vcore voltage
>can be programmatically reduced. However a non-PnP BIOS would not be
>able to do this, so the Vcore would remain at maximum, possibly
>destroying the CPU (???).
>
>That's my theory anyway ...
>
>- Franc Zabkar

I just realised your board supports Pentium II and III CPUs. These use
VID pins for setting the voltage. AFAICT this means that the CPU
itself can correctly configure its Vcore voltage without external
assistance. Whether your board does it this way, I don't know.

- Franc Zabkar
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[Etal]

rpgs rock dvds wrote:

> Franc Zabkar wrote:
>
> <snipped previous post messages to simplify things a bit>
>
> Franc, please may I ask you a somewhat off-topic question? Many
> thanks if this is OK...
>
> It's regarding a used MSI motherboard I bought recently. The model
> is:
>
> MS6119 ver 1.2 BX2
>
> If I attach a large capacity HDD to this mobo (such as a 160gb or
> 300gb HDD), it hangs on POST when the mobo attempts to ascertain it's
> size. If I physically "cap" the HDD with a jumper to limit its size
> to 32gb, everything is OK.
>
> I flashed the BIOS to the very latest version (version p2.9, Award)
> and I also tried flashing to the penultimate version as well (version
> p2.8, Award).
>
> URL information =
>
> http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=332
>
> Browsing this MSI website, I notice with interest that they have two
> different BIOSs on offer for the same board - one is a more up-to-date
> Award BIOS (which I have tried as mentioned above), the other is an
> older dated AMI BIOS. (Please note, I haven't tried the older AMI
> BIOS offerings yet.)
>
> I *think* (regarding large capacity HDDs) that I may be out of luck
> with this mobo, but before I give up on it, I'd thought I'd run this
> problem past you to see if you could offer any pearls of wisdom.
>
> Many thanks, best regards, Robert.

also

> "But should I give it a go?!?!"
>

Beware! You may /kill/ the motherboard. I did with the reverse
process.

I was unable to find what distinguished a "MSI Standard M/B."
motherboard from a "mainboard with "CPU PLUG AND PLAY" function."
but the BIOS for the latter was newer by several months so i
finally tried it .. and then was unable to boot back into the
BIOS, and had no chance to boot with a floppy to flash it back to
a 's'-prefixed BIOS.

My board is a 1.1 version, "MS6119 ver 1.1 BX2" and it has a DIP
switch-device on the motherboard marked "SW1" (as can be seen in
the manual) to set the CPU-speed. I couldn't make out from the
manual if the "CPU PLUG AND PLAY"-kind motherboard lacked this
DIP Switch or not.

So, unless you want to try out hot-flashing BIOS'es .. beware!


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[rpgs rock dvds]

On 28 May, 22:25, Franc Zabkar <fzab...@iinternode.on.net> wrote:

<I snipped everything here, because I'm worried it will mess up OE
readers>

> This person has done a lot of patching to BIOSes of that era:http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/k6plus.htm
>
> It appears that these BIOSes were limited to 128GB HDs.
>
> The OP in this thread appears to have the same problem as you:http://www.wimsbios.com/phpBB2/topic1278.html
>
> "Rainbow" claims he "can patch the 64GB bug in v2.9 BIOS".
>
> This is his/her list of patched BIOSes (limited to 128GB):http://wims.rainbow-software.org/index.php?count=-1
>
> "The 32GB bug in Award BIOS that prevents many users from using HDD
> larger than 32GB (BIOS hangs at detection) can be easily fixed in
> existing BIOSes. The 64GB bug that causes hang at configuration table
> can be also fixed."
>
> The following links may be useful.
>
> Harddisk Upgrade: The BIOS IDE Harddisk Limitations:http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/bioslim.htm
>
> BIOS Int 13h Extensions detection utility (6 KB ZIP-file):http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/extbio13.zip
>
> - Franc Zabkar

Oh wow! I've got some homework to do! -)

After reading all of the articles (amazing research Franc, thanks so
much!), your observation that "It appears that these BIOSes <for MSI
mobo version MS6119> were limited to 128GB HDs." is absolutely spot-on
correct.

It's a terrible shame that I've already invested in three brand new
300gb drives for my three legacy PC boxes, and as such I feel as if I
ought to keep the drives and move on to a different mobo.

The mobo was very cheap, plus it came with a CPU and stick of RAM,
both of which I'm already using for something else, so there's not
much lost here. Plus this problem came to light immediately when I
first tried to use the mobo, so the amount of time lost was very small
as well.

Thanks very much for everyone's interesting comments!

Best regards, Robert.

 

[rpgs rock dvds]

On 29 May, 01:39, Etal <l...@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:
> rpgs rock dvds wrote:
> > Franc Zabkar wrote:
>
> > <snipped previous post messages to simplify things a bit>
>
> > Franc, please may I ask you a somewhat off-topic question?  Many
> > thanks if this is OK...
>
> > It's regarding a used MSI motherboard I bought recently.  The model
> > is:
>
> > MS6119 ver 1.2 BX2
>
> > If I attach a large capacity HDD to this mobo (such as a 160gb or
> > 300gb HDD), it hangs on POST when the mobo attempts to ascertain it's
> > size.  If I physically "cap" the HDD with a jumper to limit its size
> > to 32gb, everything is OK.
>
> > I flashed the BIOS to the very latest version (version p2.9, Award)
> > and I also tried flashing to the penultimate version as well (version
> > p2.8, Award).
>
> > URL information =
>
> >http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&main....
>
> > Browsing this MSI website, I notice with interest that they have two
> > different BIOSs on offer for the same board - one is a more up-to-date
> > Award BIOS (which I have tried as mentioned above), the other is an
> > older dated AMI BIOS.  (Please note, I haven't tried the older AMI
> > BIOS offerings yet.)
>
> > I *think* (regarding large capacity HDDs) that I may be out of luck
> > with this mobo, but before I give up on it, I'd thought I'd run this
> > problem past you to see if you could offer any pearls of wisdom.
>
> > Many thanks, best regards, Robert.
>
>      also
>
> > "But should I give it a go?!?!"
>
> Beware! You may /kill/ the motherboard. I did with the reverse
> process.
>
> I was unable to find what distinguished a "MSI Standard M/B."
> motherboard from a "mainboard with "CPU PLUG AND PLAY" function."
> but the BIOS for the latter was newer by several months so i
> finally tried it .. and then was unable to boot back into the
> BIOS, and had no chance to boot with a floppy to flash it back to
> a 's'-prefixed BIOS.
>
> My board is a 1.1 version, "MS6119 ver 1.1 BX2" and it has a DIP
> switch-device on the motherboard marked "SW1" (as can be seen in
> the manual) to set the CPU-speed. I couldn't make out from the
> manual if the "CPU PLUG AND PLAY"-kind motherboard lacked this
> DIP Switch or not.
>
> So, unless you want to try out hot-flashing BIOS'es .. beware!
>
> --
> Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.
>
>         Please followup in the newsgroup.
>         E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I am going to heed your warning advice - I have decided not to flash
the BIOS because I think the likelihood of success is too small and
the likelihood of a fundamental problem is too large.

Thank you, Best regards, Robert.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Thu, 29 May 2008 03:20:03 -0700 (PDT), rpgs rock dvds
<rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>your observation that "It appears that these BIOSes <for MSI
>mobo version MS6119> were limited to 128GB HDs." is absolutely spot-on
>correct.
>
>It's a terrible shame that I've already invested in three brand new
>300gb drives for my three legacy PC boxes, and as such I feel as if I
>ought to keep the drives and move on to a different mobo.

I have a socket 7 motherboard of the same era. Its AMI BIOS is limited
to 128GB HDs. However, I know of one individual with the same
motherboard who says he is running "a pair of 400 GB drives and a 500
GB drive, all with overlays". He is using W2K, though.

- Franc Zabkar
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[rpgs rock dvds]

On 29 May, 22:07, Franc Zabkar <fzab...@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 03:20:03 -0700 (PDT), rpgs rock dvds
> <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
> >your observation that "It appears that these BIOSes <for MSI
> >mobo version MS6119> were limited to 128GB HDs." is absolutely spot-on
> >correct.
>
> >It's a terrible shame that I've already invested in three brand new
> >300gb drives for my three legacy PC boxes, and as such I feel as if I
> >ought to keep the drives and move on to a different mobo.
>
> I have a socket 7 motherboard of the same era. Its AMI BIOS is limited
> to 128GB HDs. However, I know of one individual with the same
> motherboard who says he is running "a pair of 400 GB drives and a 500
> GB drive, all with overlays". He is using W2K, though.
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

I think that's the key to this situation: overlays. However, just for
the time being, I want to avoid them and try and find a mobo that will
simply not hang on POST and allow me access to approx 137gb of my
300gb HDDs space. After I get a lot of things working etc, I can then
look again at trying to get the mobos to get access to the rest of the
HDDs space somehow. (Although if I couldn't achieve this, it wouldn't
be a "show-stopped".)

Thanks a lot, best regards, Robert.