Problems activating monitor

A

Alan

I have a monitor that used to be connected to a Windows 98
computer but recently has been used with a Windows Vista PC. I wanted
to use it on the Win98 computer. However, everytime I boot, the
monitor (an old Dell model m780) just sits there. The light beside
its power button just slowly blinks, and the monitor never displays
anything. When I switch it back to the Vista machine, it works fine.

I tried powering everything down completely and removing power
from everything for a few minutes, the reconnecting and booting. No
change. Same results when I power up the monitor and computer in
different sequences.

Any ideas? Thanks, Alan
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Try booting using a floppy boot disk. Do you see anything then?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:c8868f1d-88ce-43d8-b172-ccfddf3064cc@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> I have a monitor that used to be connected to a Windows 98
> computer but recently has been used with a Windows Vista PC. I wanted
> to use it on the Win98 computer. However, everytime I boot, the
> monitor (an old Dell model m780) just sits there. The light beside
> its power button just slowly blinks, and the monitor never displays
> anything. When I switch it back to the Vista machine, it works fine.
>
> I tried powering everything down completely and removing power
> from everything for a few minutes, the reconnecting and booting. No
> change. Same results when I power up the monitor and computer in
> different sequences.
>
> Any ideas? Thanks, Alan
>
>
 
A

Alan

I`ll try that.

I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to
800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
shutting down. No change.

Thanks, Alan
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Never mind, that was a total brainfart on my part. Best guess, you've
loosened the video card on the 98 machine. Try reseating it. Next thing to
try is a different video card.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> I`ll try that.
>
> I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to
> 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
> shutting down. No change.
>
> Thanks, Alan
 
F

Franc Zabkar

On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:52:45 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Never mind, that was a total brainfart on my part. Best guess, you've
>loosened the video card on the 98 machine. Try reseating it. Next thing to
>try is a different video card.

I would think that a loose video card would give rise to a POST
failure. IIRC that would result in 8 beeps. Then again, if the
motherboard has onboard graphics as well as a plug-in video card, then
a loose card may result in the onboard graphics taking over, ie no
beeps.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

You're assuming there is a PC speaker and that it functions, etc., <g>. As
for the onboard vs. card situation, that's something I should have asked
about.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:m74s34lbei0379l9b075v0mrl6gjf2tg24@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:52:45 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> put
> finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>>Never mind, that was a total brainfart on my part. Best guess, you've
>>loosened the video card on the 98 machine. Try reseating it. Next thing to
>>try is a different video card.
>
> I would think that a loose video card would give rise to a POST
> failure. IIRC that would result in 8 beeps. Then again, if the
> motherboard has onboard graphics as well as a plug-in video card, then
> a loose card may result in the onboard graphics taking over, ie no
> beeps.
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
P

philo

"Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> I`ll try that.
>
> I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to
> 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
> shutting down. No change.
>
> Thanks, Alan


What were you expecting to happen?
Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any effect on an
other machine.
Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista machine)
the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98 machine
itself.

Maybe just a bad connection???
 
M

MEB

That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device* prom,
eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is
connected

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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|
| "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
| news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| > I`ll try that.
| >
| > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to
| > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
| > shutting down. No change.
| >
| > Thanks, Alan
|
|
| What were you expecting to happen?
| Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any effect on
an
| other machine.
| Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista machine)
| the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98
machine
| itself.
|
| Maybe just a bad connection???
|
|
 
P

philo

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device* prom,
> eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is
> connected
>


But the OP specifically said that it was an old monitor


> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...
> |
> | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
> |
news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> | > I`ll try that.
> | >
> | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to
> | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
> | > shutting down. No change.
> | >
> | > Thanks, Alan
> |
> |
> | What were you expecting to happen?
> | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any effect
on
> an
> | other machine.
> | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista machine)
> | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98
> machine
> | itself.
> |
> | Maybe just a bad connection???
> |
> |
>
>
 
M

MEB

So old as in HOW OLD... what make and model....

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--
_________

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device* prom,
| > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is
| > connected
| >
|
|
| But the OP specifically said that it was an old monitor
|
|
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...
| > |
| > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
| > |
| news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| > | > I`ll try that.
| > | >
| > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to
| > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
| > | > shutting down. No change.
| > | >
| > | > Thanks, Alan
| > |
| > |
| > | What were you expecting to happen?
| > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any effect
| on
| > an
| > | other machine.
| > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista
machine)
| > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98
| > machine
| > | itself.
| > |
| > | Maybe just a bad connection???
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication? Which
cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the monitor
that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the monitor?
On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?

Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device* prom,
> eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is
> connected
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...
> |
> | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
> |
> news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> | > I`ll try that.
> | >
> | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to
> | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
> | > shutting down. No change.
> | >
> | > Thanks, Alan
> |
> |
> | What were you expecting to happen?
> | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any effect
> on
> an
> | other machine.
> | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista machine)
> | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98
> machine
> | itself.
> |
> | Maybe just a bad connection???
> |
> |
>
>
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

To quote the OP, "an old Dell model m780".

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23NwY7VewIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> So old as in HOW OLD... what make and model....
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:SOWdnUDYYtZntqLVnZ2dnUVZ_uLinZ2d@ntd.net...
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*
> prom,
> | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is
> | > connected
> | >
> |
> |
> | But the OP specifically said that it was an old monitor
> |
> |
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...
> | > |
> | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
> | > |
> |
> news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> | > | > I`ll try that.
> | > | >
> | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution
> (to
> | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
> | > | > shutting down. No change.
> | > | >
> | > | > Thanks, Alan
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | What were you expecting to happen?
> | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any
> effect
> | on
> | > an
> | > | other machine.
> | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista
> machine)
> | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98
> | > machine
> | > | itself.
> | > |
> | > | Maybe just a bad connection???
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>
 
M

MEB

Wow, missed that, quick glance I was thinking computer... have to look at
the specs then..

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:u8IfWnewIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| To quote the OP, "an old Dell model m780".
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:%23NwY7VewIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > So old as in HOW OLD... what make and model....
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > news:SOWdnUDYYtZntqLVnZ2dnUVZ_uLinZ2d@ntd.net...
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*
| > prom,
| > | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it
is
| > | > connected
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > | But the OP specifically said that it was an old monitor
| > |
| > |
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...
| > | > |
| > | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
| > | > |
| > |
| >
news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| > | > | > I`ll try that.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution
| > (to
| > | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
| > | > | > shutting down. No change.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Thanks, Alan
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | What were you expecting to happen?
| > | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any
| > effect
| > | on
| > | > an
| > | > | other machine.
| > | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista
| > machine)
| > | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the
Win98
| > | > machine
| > | > | itself.
| > | > |
| > | > | Maybe just a bad connection???
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
 
M

MEB

This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when used
with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system operates
with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You use a
software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.

NUTEK
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower

EnergyStar
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec
http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf

VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling through DDC
[monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the
devices.
VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the
additional software as suggested above.

DDC
VESA DPMS
http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology

Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the standards
are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards from
both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a technical
review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical schematic

I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full contact.
One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible] or
Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and via
connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson clears
after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.
As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the VISTA
box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98 use,
OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.

Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication? Which
| cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the
monitor
| that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the
monitor?
| On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?
|
| Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device* prom,
| > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is
| > connected
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...
| > |
| > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
| > |
| >
news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| > | > I`ll try that.
| > | >
| > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to
| > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
| > | > shutting down. No change.
| > | >
| > | > Thanks, Alan
| > |
| > |
| > | What were you expecting to happen?
| > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any effect
| > on
| > an
| > | other machine.
| > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista
machine)
| > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98
| > machine
| > | itself.
| > |
| > | Maybe just a bad connection???
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Just to be sure, when you say "This monitor...", you're talking about the
"old Dell M780", here? Not some hypothetical?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when used
> with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system
> operates
> with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You use
> a
> software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.
>
> NUTEK
> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html
> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower
>
> EnergyStar
> http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec
> http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf
>
> VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling through
> DDC
> [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the
> devices.
> VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the
> additional software as suggested above.
>
> DDC
> VESA DPMS
> http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology
>
> Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the standards
> are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards
> from
> both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a technical
> review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical schematic
>
> I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full
> contact.
> One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible] or
> Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and via
> connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson clears
> after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.
> As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the
> VISTA
> box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98 use,
> OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.
>
> Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication? Which
> | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the
> monitor
> | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the
> monitor?
> | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?
> |
> | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*
> prom,
> | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is
> | > connected
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...
> | > |
> | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
> | > |
> | >
> news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> | > | > I`ll try that.
> | > | >
> | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution
> (to
> | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
> | > | > shutting down. No change.
> | > | >
> | > | > Thanks, Alan
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | What were you expecting to happen?
> | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any
> effect
> | > on
> | > an
> | > | other machine.
> | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista
> machine)
> | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98
> | > machine
> | > | itself.
> | > |
> | > | Maybe just a bad connection???
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>
 
M

MEB

That was a quote from the actual information supplied and concerning that
monitor.

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--
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"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:u5F0JkfwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| Just to be sure, when you say "This monitor...", you're talking about the
| "old Dell M780", here? Not some hypothetical?
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when used
| > with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system
| > operates
| > with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You
use
| > a
| > software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.
| >
| > NUTEK
| > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html
| > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower
| >
| > EnergyStar
| > http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec
| >
http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf
| >
| > VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling through
| > DDC
| > [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the
| > devices.
| > VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the
| > additional software as suggested above.
| >
| > DDC
| > VESA DPMS
| >
http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology
| >
| > Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the
standards
| > are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards
| > from
| > both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a
technical
| > review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical
schematic
| >
| > I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full
| > contact.
| > One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible] or
| > Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and
via
| > connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson
clears
| > after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.
| > As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the
| > VISTA
| > box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98
use,
| > OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.
| >
| > Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication?
Which
| > | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the
| > monitor
| > | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the
| > monitor?
| > | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?
| > |
| > | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*
| > prom,
| > | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it
is
| > | > connected
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...
| > | > |
| > | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
| > | > |
| > | >
| >
news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| > | > | > I`ll try that.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution
| > (to
| > | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
| > | > | > shutting down. No change.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Thanks, Alan
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | What were you expecting to happen?
| > | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any
| > effect
| > | > on
| > | > an
| > | > | other machine.
| > | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista
| > machine)
| > | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the
Win98
| > | > machine
| > | > | itself.
| > | > |
| > | > | Maybe just a bad connection???
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
|
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Thanks.

--
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MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OIlIQ0gwIHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> That was a quote from the actual information supplied and concerning that
> monitor.
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:u5F0JkfwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | Just to be sure, when you say "This monitor...", you're talking about
> the
> | "old Dell M780", here? Not some hypothetical?
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when
> used
> | > with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system
> | > operates
> | > with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You
> use
> | > a
> | > software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.
> | >
> | > NUTEK
> | > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html
> | > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower
> | >
> | > EnergyStar
> | > http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec
> | >
> http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf
> | >
> | > VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling
> through
> | > DDC
> | > [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the
> | > devices.
> | > VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the
> | > additional software as suggested above.
> | >
> | > DDC
> | > VESA DPMS
> | >
> http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology
> | >
> | > Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the
> standards
> | > are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards
> | > from
> | > both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a
> technical
> | > review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical
> schematic
> | >
> | > I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full
> | > contact.
> | > One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible]
> or
> | > Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and
> via
> | > connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson
> clears
> | > after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.
> | > As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the
> | > VISTA
> | > box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98
> use,
> | > OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.
> | >
> | > Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication?
> Which
> | > | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the
> | > monitor
> | > | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the
> | > monitor?
> | > | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?
> | > |
> | > | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*
> | > prom,
> | > | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it
> is
> | > | > connected
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > | > --
> | > | > _________
> | > | >
> | > | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> | > | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...
> | > | > |
> | > | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | >
> news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> | > | > | > I`ll try that.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the
> resolution
> | > (to
> | > | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine,
> then
> | > | > | > shutting down. No change.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Thanks, Alan
> | > | > |
> | > | > |
> | > | > | What were you expecting to happen?
> | > | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any
> | > effect
> | > | > on
> | > | > an
> | > | > | other machine.
> | > | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista
> | > machine)
> | > | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the
> Win98
> | > | > machine
> | > | > | itself.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Maybe just a bad connection???
> | > | > |
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>
 
P

philo

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when used
> with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system
operates
> with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You use
a
> software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.
>
> NUTEK
> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html
> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower
>
> EnergyStar
> http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec
>
http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf
>
> VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling through
DDC
> [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the
> devices.
> VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the
> additional software as suggested above.
>
> DDC
> VESA DPMS
>
http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology
>
> Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the standards
> are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards
from
> both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a technical
> review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical schematic
>
> I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full
contact.
> One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible] or
> Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and via
> connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson clears
> after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.
> As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the
VISTA
> box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98 use,
> OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.
>
> Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.
>


Well that was a good observation!

But still, even if Vista had set the monitor to the sleep state...
the re-introduction of the H-sync and V-sync signal should have reset the
monitor...


If not, the monitor may have a re-set button
or option





> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication? Which
> | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the
> monitor
> | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the
> monitor?
> | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?
> |
> | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*
prom,
> | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is
> | > connected
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...
> | > |
> | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
> | > |
> | >
> news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> | > | > I`ll try that.
> | > | >
> | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution
(to
> | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
> | > | > shutting down. No change.
> | > | >
> | > | > Thanks, Alan
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | What were you expecting to happen?
> | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any
effect
> | > on
> | > an
> | > | other machine.
> | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista
> machine)
> | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98
> | > machine
> | > | itself.
> | > |
> | > | Maybe just a bad connection???
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>
 
M

MEB

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:rpudnXPrp93vBqLVnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@ntd.net...
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when used
| > with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system
| operates
| > with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You
use
| a
| > software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.
| >
| > NUTEK
| > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html
| > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower
| >
| > EnergyStar
| > http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec
| >
|
http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf
| >
| > VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling through
| DDC
| > [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the
| > devices.
| > VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the
| > additional software as suggested above.
| >
| > DDC
| > VESA DPMS
| >
|
http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology
| >
| > Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the
standards
| > are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards
| from
| > both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a
technical
| > review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical
schematic
| >
| > I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full
| contact.
| > One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible] or
| > Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and
via
| > connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson
clears
| > after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.
| > As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the
| VISTA
| > box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98
use,
| > OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.
| >
| > Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.
| >
|
|
| Well that was a good observation!
|
| But still, even if Vista had set the monitor to the sleep state...
| the re-introduction of the H-sync and V-sync signal should have reset the
| monitor...
|
|
| If not, the monitor may have a re-set button
| or option
|

Reset button? Where the heck and on what CRT monitor do you find a reset
button? Degauz maybe... if it has one it couldn't hurt to press it.

Ah no, not necessarily, part of the various specification compliances is
retained state [or at least it was when I read some information, of course
that may have just been proposed]..... any OPTION would be via software with
the monitor running VISUALLY {unless one has video reset software}, and
H-sync and V-sync WOULD likely work, but perhaps only FROM a fully
compatible VESA DPMS compliant computer or video card as its apparently
stuck in that mode [leaving VISTA activities out of the picture for this
portion of the discussion] OR it has issues with some internal part/chip OR
..... well there's a lot of ORs and a few ANDs.... and a couple wild guesses

If the poster is still around, we COULD find out if the compliance on the
98 box is compatible [video manufacturer/model/chipset], and several other
issues, like motherboard, BIOS support [and settings if remembered], last
time used, and other...

--
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--
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| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication?
Which
| > | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the
| > monitor
| > | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the
| > monitor?
| > | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?
| > |
| > | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*
| prom,
| > | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it
is
| > | > connected
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...
| > | > |
| > | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
| > | > |
| > | >
| >
news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| > | > | > I`ll try that.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution
| (to
| > | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then
| > | > | > shutting down. No change.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Thanks, Alan
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | What were you expecting to happen?
| > | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any
| effect
| > | > on
| > | > an
| > | > | other machine.
| > | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista
| > machine)
| > | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the
Win98
| > | > machine
| > | > | itself.
| > | > |
| > | > | Maybe just a bad connection???
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
M

MEB

My fault, I should have noted that when I posted...

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--
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"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:ORaaOrhwIHA.5584@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| Thanks.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:OIlIQ0gwIHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > That was a quote from the actual information supplied and concerning
that
| > monitor.
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:u5F0JkfwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | Just to be sure, when you say "This monitor...", you're talking about
| > the
| > | "old Dell M780", here? Not some hypothetical?
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when
| > used
| > | > with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system
| > | > operates
| > | > with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer.
You
| > use
| > | > a
| > | > software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.
| > | >
| > | > NUTEK
| > | > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html
| > | > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower
| > | >
| > | > EnergyStar
| > | > http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec
| > | >
| >
http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf
| > | >
| > | > VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling
| > through
| > | > DDC
| > | > [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects]
the
| > | > devices.
| > | > VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring
the
| > | > additional software as suggested above.
| > | >
| > | > DDC
| > | > VESA DPMS
| > | >
| >
http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology
| > | >
| > | > Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the
| > standards
| > | > are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the
standards
| > | > from
| > | > both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a
| > technical
| > | > review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical
| > schematic
| > | >
| > | > I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full
| > | > contact.
| > | > One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible]
| > or
| > | > Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical
and
| > via
| > | > connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson
| > clears
| > | > after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.
| > | > As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from
the
| > | > VISTA
| > | > box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98
| > use,
| > | > OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.
| > | >
| > | > Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication?
| > Which
| > | > | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on
the
| > | > monitor
| > | > | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on
the
| > | > monitor?
| > | > | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset
button?
| > | > |
| > | > | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in
device*
| > | > prom,
| > | > | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which
it
| > is
| > | > | > connected
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > _________
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | >
| >
news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| > | > | > | > I`ll try that.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the
| > resolution
| > | > (to
| > | > | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine,
| > then
| > | > | > | > shutting down. No change.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Thanks, Alan
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | What were you expecting to happen?
| > | > | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have
any
| > | > effect
| > | > | > on
| > | > | > an
| > | > | > | other machine.
| > | > | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista
| > | > machine)
| > | > | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the
| > Win98
| > | > | > machine
| > | > | > | itself.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Maybe just a bad connection???
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
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