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Re: - XP verses 98
Let's see, XP is fostered as a better system because:
SECURITY
Individual Settings more defined than when policies were used in 9X. Yet
most of those same settings and abilities were available 9X.
Next, hmm, more security in XP because of the available NTFS file system...
but then with the way files are handled BY NTFS, there are always bits and
pieces of files readily available for review/recovery by ANYONE,
particularly with the now supplied, Microsoft supplied, hack tools.
ALL other major purported security aspects were previously available via
third party applications in 9X [Kerberos, encryption, firewall, web proxy,
etc.].
SYSTEM
Greater web integration in XP,,, right, the very thing that makes you more
vulnerable...
Greater Plug and Pray/branding abilities in XP. The trade off in XP is that
once connected, the device will likely NOT work elsewhere/in another OS.
Greater hard drive size/capacity via SATA. This easily could have been
adapted to during support life for SE, there really is NO excuse for not
doing so.
Greater hard drive capacity due to NTFS... well yeah, since Fat32 was
deliberately limited by Microsoft's own design.
STABILITY
Restore points to help recover from catastrophic failures... hmm,
interesting concept, the whole system is purported to be designed as failure
proof,, yet without this ability XP would have been junked long ago... gosh,
ME had this as well.
Very few BSODs. Ah yeah, but then the design does place these in separate
server/service areas with *crash protection*, hmm, seems that was also being
done in 9X by third parties, at least until the installation of IE 5/6...
what's the major CAUSE of BSODs, poor coding. either Microsoft's or the
application developer's. Second, memory issues, which also generally reverts
to poor coding.
Greater memory handling capacity. Yeah, and to merely run the OS its
needed, and better have a fast processor to go with it...
DEVICES
Wow, that's a no brainer. Just as Microsoft with-held support for the
*next-gen* devices in 95, then 98, then 98SE. And now the future is USB,,,
no, USB is too limited. Firewire? No, has its own issues.. SATA, maybe for
awhile. PCIe/ePCI well maybe for awhile longer... hmm,,
NETWORKING
AH, here it shines [at least with itself] but then it IS designed for
SECURED, *LOCAL*, corporate networks, behind hard and software firewalls and
other ... we have to overlook NAP, sharing, and other issues constantly
being screwed up by updates, and its vulnerabilities when connected to the
Internet.
Your turn...
--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________
"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23bJz8OsyIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| We've been around this block before. You say "intrusive", I say
"progress",
| blah, blah. When you can actually stoop to answer serious questions put to
| you about your theories of comparative OSes, you let me know. Until then,
if
| you really need an argument, go read our last one.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| http://grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:ud0qd8lyIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > Gee, okay, Mr. Sheeple,,, so spend your time downloading hundreds of
| > "fixes"
| > for your XP and VISTA machines, that STILL leave you vulnerable, open
new
| > vulnerabilities, and support or rather DEMAND YOU support all those Web
| > 2.0,
| > DRM, and other intrusions and while knowing that supposedly secure
system
| > you run CAN BE and IS constantly being attacked while on the Internet...
| > its
| > part of the design FEATURE.....
| >
| > Run some tests Gary, expand your knowledge..
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:%239FKsslyIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | Go diagnose a BSOD, Luddite. Though in your case, you probably belong
| > with
| > | 9x. You apparently don't actually use your computers for anything but
| > | useless "testing" and posting to the Usenet, maybe some plain text
| > internet
| > | surfing. 98's good enough for that.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | http://grystmill.com
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:eIOCoSlyIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > If you want to thump your chest about being a sheeple continue on...
| > | >
| > | > What's wrong, all the young XP and Vista users run you guys out of
| > those
| > | > forums or what...
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:uLZYq8jyIHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | With a machine as old as yours, you're right. No USB printer for
| > you --
| > | > | unless you were to bother to install a USB2 card. But for mouses
and
| > | > | keyboards there are USB to AT or PS/2 connectors converters
readily
| > | > | available. Heck, lots of USB keyboards and mouses come with a PS/2
| > | > converter
| > | > | included.
| > | > |
| > | > | But if you want to thump your chest about being a Luddite, go
right
| > | > ahead.
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | http://grystmill.com
| > | > |
| > | > | <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
| > | > | news:u6pp44tie7sf1vtepv2rebdbkhiorb1rnp@4ax.com...
| > | > | > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:47:25 +1000, "Jason James" <at@peace.com>
| > wrote:
| > | > | >
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > | > | >>news:CoadnbgyI56j7dHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@ntd.net...
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
| > | > | >>> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...
| > | > | >>> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free
| > resources
| > | > atm.
| > | > | >>> I've
| > | > | >>> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug
only.
| > | > | >>> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a
| > heap
| > of
| > | > USB
| > | > | >>> files
| > | > | >>> > after doing a "search for files".
| > | > | >>> >
| > | > | >>> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from
it's
| > | > circular
| > | > | >>> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?
| > | > | >>> >
| > | > | >>> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but
removed
| > it
| > | > when
| > | > | >>> > I
| > | > | >>> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of
| > the
| > | > port
| > | > | >>specs
| > | > | >>> > list) the CCup was 800ma.
| > | > | >>> > Thanx for any clues,....Jason
| > | > | >>> >
| > | > | >>> >
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.
| > | > | >>> It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...
| > | > | >>> However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might*
not
| > | > have
| > | > | >>> USB
| > | > | >>> keyboard support in the bios
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected
the
| > LHS
| > | > USB
| > | > | >>port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times to
| > select
| > | > | >>various files, then it was all systems go.
| > | > | >>Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was
| > worried
| > | > I
| > | > | >>would blow something up
| > | > | >>Jason
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >
| > | > | > You wont blow anything up, but if you want to use raw dos, you
| > will
| > | > | > NOT have a working keyboard. I got a usb mouse and since I use
| > dos,
| > I
| > | > | > could not have mouse support in dos. I went back to a serial
| > mouse
| > | > | > and dumped that usb piece of crap on someone that only uses XP.
| > | > | > Seems they make everything for USB these days. I really dont
| > | > | > understand why. No USB mice, keyboards, printers for me.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Why would anyone abuse their power supply with a coffee warmer.
| > You
| > | > | > do have an AC outlet on the wall, right? I wonder how much that
| > thing
| > | > | > slowed down your computer? Just because someone makes stuff
like
| > that
| > | > | > does not mean it's practical or safe. I got a USB light as a
| > gift.
| > | > | > It's pretty much useless. It has only one blue-white LED, so I
am
| > not
| > | > | > worried about power use, but I have yet to find a need for it.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
Let's see, XP is fostered as a better system because:
SECURITY
Individual Settings more defined than when policies were used in 9X. Yet
most of those same settings and abilities were available 9X.
Next, hmm, more security in XP because of the available NTFS file system...
but then with the way files are handled BY NTFS, there are always bits and
pieces of files readily available for review/recovery by ANYONE,
particularly with the now supplied, Microsoft supplied, hack tools.
ALL other major purported security aspects were previously available via
third party applications in 9X [Kerberos, encryption, firewall, web proxy,
etc.].
SYSTEM
Greater web integration in XP,,, right, the very thing that makes you more
vulnerable...
Greater Plug and Pray/branding abilities in XP. The trade off in XP is that
once connected, the device will likely NOT work elsewhere/in another OS.
Greater hard drive size/capacity via SATA. This easily could have been
adapted to during support life for SE, there really is NO excuse for not
doing so.
Greater hard drive capacity due to NTFS... well yeah, since Fat32 was
deliberately limited by Microsoft's own design.
STABILITY
Restore points to help recover from catastrophic failures... hmm,
interesting concept, the whole system is purported to be designed as failure
proof,, yet without this ability XP would have been junked long ago... gosh,
ME had this as well.
Very few BSODs. Ah yeah, but then the design does place these in separate
server/service areas with *crash protection*, hmm, seems that was also being
done in 9X by third parties, at least until the installation of IE 5/6...
what's the major CAUSE of BSODs, poor coding. either Microsoft's or the
application developer's. Second, memory issues, which also generally reverts
to poor coding.
Greater memory handling capacity. Yeah, and to merely run the OS its
needed, and better have a fast processor to go with it...
DEVICES
Wow, that's a no brainer. Just as Microsoft with-held support for the
*next-gen* devices in 95, then 98, then 98SE. And now the future is USB,,,
no, USB is too limited. Firewire? No, has its own issues.. SATA, maybe for
awhile. PCIe/ePCI well maybe for awhile longer... hmm,,
NETWORKING
AH, here it shines [at least with itself] but then it IS designed for
SECURED, *LOCAL*, corporate networks, behind hard and software firewalls and
other ... we have to overlook NAP, sharing, and other issues constantly
being screwed up by updates, and its vulnerabilities when connected to the
Internet.
Your turn...
--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________
"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23bJz8OsyIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| We've been around this block before. You say "intrusive", I say
"progress",
| blah, blah. When you can actually stoop to answer serious questions put to
| you about your theories of comparative OSes, you let me know. Until then,
if
| you really need an argument, go read our last one.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| http://grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:ud0qd8lyIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > Gee, okay, Mr. Sheeple,,, so spend your time downloading hundreds of
| > "fixes"
| > for your XP and VISTA machines, that STILL leave you vulnerable, open
new
| > vulnerabilities, and support or rather DEMAND YOU support all those Web
| > 2.0,
| > DRM, and other intrusions and while knowing that supposedly secure
system
| > you run CAN BE and IS constantly being attacked while on the Internet...
| > its
| > part of the design FEATURE.....
| >
| > Run some tests Gary, expand your knowledge..
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:%239FKsslyIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | Go diagnose a BSOD, Luddite. Though in your case, you probably belong
| > with
| > | 9x. You apparently don't actually use your computers for anything but
| > | useless "testing" and posting to the Usenet, maybe some plain text
| > internet
| > | surfing. 98's good enough for that.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | http://grystmill.com
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:eIOCoSlyIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > If you want to thump your chest about being a sheeple continue on...
| > | >
| > | > What's wrong, all the young XP and Vista users run you guys out of
| > those
| > | > forums or what...
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:uLZYq8jyIHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | With a machine as old as yours, you're right. No USB printer for
| > you --
| > | > | unless you were to bother to install a USB2 card. But for mouses
and
| > | > | keyboards there are USB to AT or PS/2 connectors converters
readily
| > | > | available. Heck, lots of USB keyboards and mouses come with a PS/2
| > | > converter
| > | > | included.
| > | > |
| > | > | But if you want to thump your chest about being a Luddite, go
right
| > | > ahead.
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | http://grystmill.com
| > | > |
| > | > | <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
| > | > | news:u6pp44tie7sf1vtepv2rebdbkhiorb1rnp@4ax.com...
| > | > | > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:47:25 +1000, "Jason James" <at@peace.com>
| > wrote:
| > | > | >
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > | > | >>news:CoadnbgyI56j7dHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@ntd.net...
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message
| > | > | >>> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...
| > | > | >>> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free
| > resources
| > | > atm.
| > | > | >>> I've
| > | > | >>> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug
only.
| > | > | >>> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a
| > heap
| > of
| > | > USB
| > | > | >>> files
| > | > | >>> > after doing a "search for files".
| > | > | >>> >
| > | > | >>> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from
it's
| > | > circular
| > | > | >>> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?
| > | > | >>> >
| > | > | >>> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but
removed
| > it
| > | > when
| > | > | >>> > I
| > | > | >>> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of
| > the
| > | > port
| > | > | >>specs
| > | > | >>> > list) the CCup was 800ma.
| > | > | >>> > Thanx for any clues,....Jason
| > | > | >>> >
| > | > | >>> >
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.
| > | > | >>> It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...
| > | > | >>> However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might*
not
| > | > have
| > | > | >>> USB
| > | > | >>> keyboard support in the bios
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected
the
| > LHS
| > | > USB
| > | > | >>port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times to
| > select
| > | > | >>various files, then it was all systems go.
| > | > | >>Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was
| > worried
| > | > I
| > | > | >>would blow something up
| > | > | >>Jason
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >
| > | > | > You wont blow anything up, but if you want to use raw dos, you
| > will
| > | > | > NOT have a working keyboard. I got a usb mouse and since I use
| > dos,
| > I
| > | > | > could not have mouse support in dos. I went back to a serial
| > mouse
| > | > | > and dumped that usb piece of crap on someone that only uses XP.
| > | > | > Seems they make everything for USB these days. I really dont
| > | > | > understand why. No USB mice, keyboards, printers for me.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Why would anyone abuse their power supply with a coffee warmer.
| > You
| > | > | > do have an AC outlet on the wall, right? I wonder how much that
| > thing
| > | > | > slowed down your computer? Just because someone makes stuff
like
| > that
| > | > | > does not mean it's practical or safe. I got a USB light as a
| > gift.
| > | > | > It's pretty much useless. It has only one blue-white LED, so I
am
| > not
| > | > | > worried about power use, but I have yet to find a need for it.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
