Windows Update for 98 really all gone?

H

Harvey

Running Win98 (NOT SE).
While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
How can I find out and update that file?
I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?

Harvey
 
H

Harvey

On Jun 9, 1:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> How can I find out and update that file?
> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>
> Harvey

Found the answer to my own question. Go to
v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp

Harvey
 
D

Don Phillipson

"Harvey" <harveyab@juno.com> wrote in message
news:70244d60-5244-4276-a3c4-101e2c535552@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> How can I find out and update that file?

Except for the user prompt, Win98 has no way to inform
you after the fact what you agreed to. You will probably
have to wait for an error message for one of your apps,
and then reinstal that app or device.

Hard drives are now so cheap that many of us copy all
C: or at least all C:\Windows to a second hard drive at
convenient intervals, e.g. once a month. Information at
www.xxcopy.com explains how to do incremental backups.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
 
H

Harvey

On Jun 9, 1:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> How can I find out and update that file?
> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>
> Harvey

Found the update site but it didn't update anything.
How do I find and download/install the old file?

Harvey
 
L

letterman@invalid.com

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:59:24 -0700 (PDT), Harvey <harveyab@juno.com>
wrote:

>On Jun 9, 1:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
>> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
>> How can I find out and update that file?
>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
>> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>>
>> Harvey
>
>Found the answer to my own question. Go to
>v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp
>
>Harvey

Why are you not running the SE version? That would be the best update
you could add. I still say Win98SE is the best OS ever produced by
Microsoft. But the first version of 98 was just a glorified Win95.
What file did you overwrite? Someone could send it to you, but it
might be hard to find anyone that is not using 98SE.

Dont you have a backup? That file should be there.....

I'm not sure where to find the updates to Win98 anymore, but be
careful. There are some that contain non-MS stuff, and at least one
of those can be destructive. Unfortunately I can not recall the name
of that file. It forced me to restore Win98 from my backup.
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

You'd have to know what the file is, first. Anyway, you generally do NOT
want to overwrite newer files with older ones from the Windows CD when
there's a question like that. The files you have to worry about are the ones
where you said, "Yes" to that prompt. The ones you overwrote were Windows
Updates, mostly (though you may have gotten them elsewhere.)

I have a 2-CD set of Updates. The first CD is a copy of Microsoft's own
Security Updates CD from Feb 2004. The second CD contains all Windows Update
issued after that time that apply to Windows 98, 98SE and ME. Note that I
include ONLY Windows Updates that I downloaded directly from the WU Catalog.

The CD set would allow you to reinstall everything that can be reinstalled.
I ask $3, check or cash, to cover costs. Write to updates_at_grystmill.com

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Harvey" <harveyab@juno.com> wrote in message
news:3d5adf42-fdae-46c0-b996-7f509708d8ed@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 9, 1:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
>> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
>> How can I find out and update that file?
>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
>> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>>
>> Harvey
>
> Found the update site but it didn't update anything.
> How do I find and download/install the old file?
>
> Harvey
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Let's see... To upgrade to Windows 98 SE it would cost several dozen dollars
(unless Harvey went underground.) Then, because we all know that upgrading
in place (running Win98SE Setup over an existing installation, whether Win95
or Win98) tends to leave lousy results, with much worse issues involving the
very thing he is trying to cure today, Harvey would have to back up all his
personal data, make sure he had everything he needed on hand, and then
reformat his system, install Win98SE, update it, install all his apps (which
perhaps can't be found anymore?)

Harvey doesn't know what file needs replacing, now. In fact, if he wrote
what he wrote correctly, it's the files that he DID overwrite that are the
problem, not vice-versa.

You find Windows Updates at same general location they've always been.
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com

As Harvey noted, that now redirects to
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:5m9r449tardju37qektr61v9fljj1md8rp@4ax.com...

>
> Why are you not running the SE version? That would be the best update
> you could add. I still say Win98SE is the best OS ever produced by
> Microsoft. But the first version of 98 was just a glorified Win95.
> What file did you overwrite? Someone could send it to you, but it
> might be hard to find anyone that is not using 98SE.
>
> Dont you have a backup? That file should be there.....
>
> I'm not sure where to find the updates to Win98 anymore, but be
> careful. There are some that contain non-MS stuff, and at least one
> of those can be destructive. Unfortunately I can not recall the name
> of that file. It forced me to restore Win98 from my backup.
 
L

Lee

You could go here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/285189/EN-US/

and download and install Microsoft Windows 98 Dial-Up Networking 1.4
Upgrade which would very likely overwrite the "bad" file with a
"better than ever" version and get you out of the dilemma sideways.

In the future, don't do that anymore.

On Jun 9, 2:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> How can I find out and update that file?
> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>
> Harvey
 
H

Harvey

On Jun 10, 11:10 pm, Lee <mel...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> You could go here:http://support.microsoft.com/kb/285189/EN-US/
>
> and download and install Microsoft Windows 98 Dial-Up Networking 1.4
> Upgrade which would very likely overwrite the "bad" file with a
> "better than ever" version and get you out of the dilemma sideways.
>
> In the future, don't do that anymore.
>
> On Jun 9, 2:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> > While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> > overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
> > Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> > How can I find out and update that file?
> > I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
> > after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
> > bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>
> > Harvey

Thank you very much. Maybe I will get it to work now too. :)
(I'll try to remember to report back here after I try it.)

Harvey
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Harvey doesn't have one "bad" file, he's got several. He only DIDN'T
overwrite one, and overwrote all the rest.

You really think that the DUN 1.4 Update is going to restore all of the
files that got overwritten? That none of the overwritten files came from
other Updates? I'd have to go back through the entire list to be sure, but I
don't think that was the only update involving Networking.

Gotta admit, though, that DUN 1.4 replaces a lot of files.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:b71b0c13-d8a2-49b6-a0fe-6670f820e88c@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
You could go here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/285189/EN-US/

and download and install Microsoft Windows 98 Dial-Up Networking 1.4
Upgrade which would very likely overwrite the "bad" file with a
"better than ever" version and get you out of the dilemma sideways.

In the future, don't do that anymore.

On Jun 9, 2:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> How can I find out and update that file?
> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>
> Harvey
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

My mistake, I forgot how the prompt was worded. You say, "Yes," to keep the
newer file.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%230qwaloyIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> You'd have to know what the file is, first. Anyway, you generally do NOT
> want to overwrite newer files with older ones from the Windows CD when
> there's a question like that. The files you have to worry about are the
> ones where you said, "Yes" to that prompt. The ones you overwrote were
> Windows Updates, mostly (though you may have gotten them elsewhere.)
>
> I have a 2-CD set of Updates. The first CD is a copy of Microsoft's own
> Security Updates CD from Feb 2004. The second CD contains all Windows
> Update issued after that time that apply to Windows 98, 98SE and ME. Note
> that I include ONLY Windows Updates that I downloaded directly from the WU
> Catalog.
>
> The CD set would allow you to reinstall everything that can be
> reinstalled. I ask $3, check or cash, to cover costs. Write to
> updates_at_grystmill.com
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Harvey" <harveyab@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:3d5adf42-fdae-46c0-b996-7f509708d8ed@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 9, 1:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
>>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
>>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
>>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
>>> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
>>> How can I find out and update that file?
>>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
>>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
>>> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>>>
>>> Harvey
>>
>> Found the update site but it didn't update anything.
>> How do I find and download/install the old file?
>>
>> Harvey
>
>
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

My mistake, I forgot how the prompt read. "Yes," to keep the file, "No," to
overwrite.

Anyway, in all my tests, simply adding the Dial-up Server causes no prompts,
PROVIDED DUN and VON are already installed. Only if Dial-up Networking and
VPN are NOT installed/updated do I get prompts to overwrite. Just installing
those two (they come attached at the hip) causes the prompts. Installing
Dial-up Server automatically installs the other two, and that would cause
the prompts. Here's the files I get prompted to overwrite.

SNMPAPI.DLL "SNMP Utility Library" 5.00.2195.5513 (KB314147)
http://download.microsoft.com/download/win98/update/23433/w98/en-us/314147usa8.exe

VIP.386 "Windows IP Driver" 4.10.2002 (KB259728)
http://download.microsoft.com/download/win98/update/8070/w98/EN-US/259728USA8.EXE

TELNET.EXE "Telnet Program" 5.00.1755.2 (from KB 240163, aka TELNETUP.EXE,
but that patch is no longer posted separately at Microsoft Downloads for
Win98. Gotta get it from Windows Update or from the Security Updates CD of
Feb 2004 or from me or from some trusted location. I checked this one out
and it seems kosher. I did a full compare between this one and the one in
the Security Updates CD from Feb 2004.:
..http://www.filewatcher.com/m/TelnetUp.EXE.149984.0.0.html

I get prompted for each one twice, once for DUN and once for VPN. You might
want to check your versions of those files, and if they don't match,
consider reinstalling the Updates.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:eUlds89yIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Harvey doesn't have one "bad" file, he's got several. He only DIDN'T
> overwrite one, and overwrote all the rest.
>
> You really think that the DUN 1.4 Update is going to restore all of the
> files that got overwritten? That none of the overwritten files came from
> other Updates? I'd have to go back through the entire list to be sure, but
> I don't think that was the only update involving Networking.
>
> Gotta admit, though, that DUN 1.4 replaces a lot of files.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:b71b0c13-d8a2-49b6-a0fe-6670f820e88c@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> You could go here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/285189/EN-US/
>
> and download and install Microsoft Windows 98 Dial-Up Networking 1.4
> Upgrade which would very likely overwrite the "bad" file with a
> "better than ever" version and get you out of the dilemma sideways.
>
> In the future, don't do that anymore.
>
> On Jun 9, 2:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
>> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
>> How can I find out and update that file?
>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
>> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>>
>> Harvey
>
>
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Correction, that second paragraph should read, in part:

"Anyway, in all my tests, simply installing the Dial-up Server causes no
prompts, PROVIDED DUN and VPN (not VON) are already installed." Somehow the
sentence got totally mangled.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23B95ygGzIHA.5816@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> My mistake, I forgot how the prompt read. "Yes," to keep the file, "No,"
> to overwrite.
>
> Anyway, in all my tests, simthe Dial-up Server causes no prompts, PROVIDED
> DUN and VON are already installedply adding . Only if Dial-up Networking
> and VPN are NOT installed/updated do I get prompts to overwrite. Just
> installing those two (they come attached at the hip) causes the prompts.
> Installing Dial-up Server automatically installs the other two, and that
> would cause the prompts. Here's the files I get prompted to overwrite.
>
> SNMPAPI.DLL "SNMP Utility Library" 5.00.2195.5513 (KB314147)
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/win98/update/23433/w98/en-us/314147usa8.exe
>
> VIP.386 "Windows IP Driver" 4.10.2002 (KB259728)
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/win98/update/8070/w98/EN-US/259728USA8.EXE
>
> TELNET.EXE "Telnet Program" 5.00.1755.2 (from KB 240163, aka
> TELNETUP.EXE, but that patch is no longer posted separately at Microsoft
> Downloads for Win98. Gotta get it from Windows Update or from the Security
> Updates CD of Feb 2004 or from me or from some trusted location. I checked
> this one out and it seems kosher. I did a full compare between this one
> and the one in the Security Updates CD from Feb 2004.:
> .http://www.filewatcher.com/m/TelnetUp.EXE.149984.0.0.html
>
> I get prompted for each one twice, once for DUN and once for VPN. You
> might want to check your versions of those files, and if they don't match,
> consider reinstalling the Updates.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:eUlds89yIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Harvey doesn't have one "bad" file, he's got several. He only DIDN'T
>> overwrite one, and overwrote all the rest.
>>
>> You really think that the DUN 1.4 Update is going to restore all of the
>> files that got overwritten? That none of the overwritten files came from
>> other Updates? I'd have to go back through the entire list to be sure,
>> but I don't think that was the only update involving Networking.
>>
>> Gotta admit, though, that DUN 1.4 replaces a lot of files.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>> news:b71b0c13-d8a2-49b6-a0fe-6670f820e88c@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> You could go here:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/285189/EN-US/
>>
>> and download and install Microsoft Windows 98 Dial-Up Networking 1.4
>> Upgrade which would very likely overwrite the "bad" file with a
>> "better than ever" version and get you out of the dilemma sideways.
>>
>> In the future, don't do that anymore.
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
>>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
>>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
>>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
>>> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
>>> How can I find out and update that file?
>>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
>>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
>>> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>>>
>>> Harvey
>>
>>
>
>
 
H

Harvey

On Jun 11, 11:53 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> My mistake, I forgot how the prompt was worded. You say, "Yes," to keep the
> newer file.

That is exactly the "mistake" I made.
I have correctly answered that question many many times.
And, yes I was too quick on that first file this time.
Sorry for my impatience.
And thank you Lee and Gary for your help.
I did install Dial-Up Networking 1.4 as suggested by Lee.
Gary, the three files that you listed, I have the same version as you.
So for now I will assume that the mishap has been corrected by DUN1.4.
Harvey

> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in messagenews:%230qwaloyIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> > You'd have to know what the file is, first. Anyway, you generally do NOT
> > want to overwrite newer files with older ones from the Windows CD when
> > there's a question like that. The files you have to worry about are the
> > ones where you said, "Yes" to that prompt. The ones you overwrote were
> > Windows Updates, mostly (though you may have gotten them elsewhere.)
>
> > I have a 2-CD set of Updates. The first CD is a copy of Microsoft's own
> > Security Updates CD from Feb 2004. The second CD contains all Windows
> > Update issued after that time that apply to Windows 98, 98SE and ME. Note
> > that I include ONLY Windows Updates that I downloaded directly from the WU
> > Catalog.
>
> > The CD set would allow you to reinstall everything that can be
> > reinstalled. I ask $3, check or cash, to cover costs. Write to
> > updates_at_grystmill.com
>
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS-MVP Shell/User
> >http://grystmill.com
>
> > "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >news:3d5adf42-fdae-46c0-b996-7f509708d8ed@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jun 9, 1:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> >>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> >>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
> >>> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> >>> How can I find out and update that file?
> >>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
> >>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
> >>> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>
> >>> Harvey
>
> >> Found the update site but it didn't update anything.
> >> How do I find and download/install the old file?
>
> >> Harvey
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Did installing DUN 1.4 fix the problem, or can you still not connect to the
Win98 machine??

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Harvey" <harveyab@juno.com> wrote in message
news:ff42e013-3563-41e4-8c95-b2ea9041087a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 11, 11:53 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>> My mistake, I forgot how the prompt was worded. You say, "Yes," to keep
>> the
>> newer file.
>
> That is exactly the "mistake" I made.
> I have correctly answered that question many many times.
> And, yes I was too quick on that first file this time.
> Sorry for my impatience.
> And thank you Lee and Gary for your help.
> I did install Dial-Up Networking 1.4 as suggested by Lee.
> Gary, the three files that you listed, I have the same version as you.
> So for now I will assume that the mishap has been corrected by DUN1.4.
> Harvey
>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in
>> messagenews:%230qwaloyIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> > You'd have to know what the file is, first. Anyway, you generally do
>> > NOT
>> > want to overwrite newer files with older ones from the Windows CD when
>> > there's a question like that. The files you have to worry about are the
>> > ones where you said, "Yes" to that prompt. The ones you overwrote were
>> > Windows Updates, mostly (though you may have gotten them elsewhere.)
>>
>> > I have a 2-CD set of Updates. The first CD is a copy of Microsoft's own
>> > Security Updates CD from Feb 2004. The second CD contains all Windows
>> > Update issued after that time that apply to Windows 98, 98SE and ME.
>> > Note
>> > that I include ONLY Windows Updates that I downloaded directly from the
>> > WU
>> > Catalog.
>>
>> > The CD set would allow you to reinstall everything that can be
>> > reinstalled. I ask $3, check or cash, to cover costs. Write to
>> > updates_at_grystmill.com
>>
>> > --
>> > Gary S. Terhune
>> > MS-MVP Shell/User
>> >http://grystmill.com
>>
>> > "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> >news:3d5adf42-fdae-46c0-b996-7f509708d8ed@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Jun 9, 1:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
>> >>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
>> >>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
>> >>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
>> >>> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
>> >>> How can I find out and update that file?
>> >>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
>> >>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
>> >>> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>>
>> >>> Harvey
>>
>> >> Found the update site but it didn't update anything.
>> >> How do I find and download/install the old file?
>>
>> >> Harvey
>
 
H

Harvey

On Jun 11, 3:30 am, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jun 10, 11:10 pm, Lee <mel...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You could go here:http://support.microsoft.com/kb/285189/EN-US/
>
> > and download and install Microsoft Windows 98 Dial-Up Networking 1.4
> > Upgrade which would very likely overwrite the "bad" file with a
> > "better than ever" version and get you out of the dilemma sideways.
>
> > In the future, don't do that anymore.
>
> > On Jun 9, 2:49 pm,Harvey<harve...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> > > While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> > > overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
> > > Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> > > How can I find out and update that file?
> > > I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
> > > after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
> > > bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>
> > >Harvey
>
> Thank you very much. Maybe I will get it to work now too. :)
> (I'll try to remember to report back here after I try it.)
>
> Harvey

Lee,
I seem to be okay from that mishap.
Thanks,
Harvey
 
P

PCR

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| My mistake, I forgot how the prompt read. "Yes," to keep the file,
| "No," to overwrite.
|
| Anyway, in all my tests, simply adding the Dial-up Server causes no
| prompts, PROVIDED DUN and VON are already installed. Only if Dial-up
| Networking and VPN are NOT installed/updated do I get prompts to
| overwrite. Just installing those two (they come attached at the hip)
| causes the prompts. Installing Dial-up Server automatically installs
| the other two, and that would cause the prompts. Here's the files I
| get prompted to overwrite.
|
| SNMPAPI.DLL "SNMP Utility Library" 5.00.2195.5513 (KB314147)
|
http://download.microsoft.com/download/win98/update/23433/w98/en-us/314147usa8.exe
|
| VIP.386 "Windows IP Driver" 4.10.2002 (KB259728)
|
http://download.microsoft.com/download/win98/update/8070/w98/EN-US/259728USA8.EXE

Because my Win98SE VIP.386 is version 4.10.2226, I looked looked inside
259728USA8.EXE using WinZip. There are TWO of them in there...

VIP.98g v.4.10.2002
VIP.98s v.4.10.2226

Those would get renamed to VIP.386. But the first must be for 98FE. The
other files you mention are the same as what I've got.

| TELNET.EXE "Telnet Program" 5.00.1755.2 (from KB 240163, aka
| TELNETUP.EXE, but that patch is no longer posted separately at
| Microsoft Downloads for Win98. Gotta get it from Windows Update or
| from the Security Updates CD of Feb 2004 or from me or from some
| trusted location. I checked this one out and it seems kosher. I did a
| full compare between this one and the one in the Security Updates CD
| from Feb 2004.:
| .http://www.filewatcher.com/m/TelnetUp.EXE.149984.0.0.html
|
| I get prompted for each one twice, once for DUN and once for VPN. You
| might want to check your versions of those files, and if they don't
| match, consider reinstalling the Updates.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| http://grystmill.com
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| news:eUlds89yIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> Harvey doesn't have one "bad" file, he's got several. He only DIDN'T
|> overwrite one, and overwrote all the rest.
|>
|> You really think that the DUN 1.4 Update is going to restore all of
|> the files that got overwritten? That none of the overwritten files
|> came from other Updates? I'd have to go back through the entire list
|> to be sure, but I don't think that was the only update involving
|> Networking.
|>
|> Gotta admit, though, that DUN 1.4 replaces a lot of files.
|>
|> --
|> Gary S. Terhune
|> MS-MVP Shell/User
|> http://grystmill.com
|>
|> "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message
|>
news:b71b0c13-d8a2-49b6-a0fe-6670f820e88c@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
|> You could go here:
|> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/285189/EN-US/
|>
|> and download and install Microsoft Windows 98 Dial-Up Networking 1.4
|> Upgrade which would very likely overwrite the "bad" file with a
|> "better than ever" version and get you out of the dilemma sideways.
|>
|> In the future, don't do that anymore.
|>
|> On Jun 9, 2:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
|>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
|>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
|>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of
|>> Yes.) Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
|>> How can I find out and update that file?
|>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
|>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way
|>> to bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
|>>
|>> Harvey

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

I will remind you and anyone else that the OP started out by being rather
emphatic that it's a Win98 Gold machine that is being discussed.

Lots of MS patches have that same system. The file, once installed, needs to
be named the same whether for 98 Gold or for SE (or even ME), but that's a
PITA when packing up a patch, since it would require additional folders to
keep them separate. Changing the extension during installation is easier.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:eZrZBXSzIHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> | My mistake, I forgot how the prompt read. "Yes," to keep the file,
> | "No," to overwrite.
> |
> | Anyway, in all my tests, simply adding the Dial-up Server causes no
> | prompts, PROVIDED DUN and VON are already installed. Only if Dial-up
> | Networking and VPN are NOT installed/updated do I get prompts to
> | overwrite. Just installing those two (they come attached at the hip)
> | causes the prompts. Installing Dial-up Server automatically installs
> | the other two, and that would cause the prompts. Here's the files I
> | get prompted to overwrite.
> |
> | SNMPAPI.DLL "SNMP Utility Library" 5.00.2195.5513 (KB314147)
> |
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/win98/update/23433/w98/en-us/314147usa8.exe
> |
> | VIP.386 "Windows IP Driver" 4.10.2002 (KB259728)
> |
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/win98/update/8070/w98/EN-US/259728USA8.EXE
>
> Because my Win98SE VIP.386 is version 4.10.2226, I looked looked inside
> 259728USA8.EXE using WinZip. There are TWO of them in there...
>
> VIP.98g v.4.10.2002
> VIP.98s v.4.10.2226
>
> Those would get renamed to VIP.386. But the first must be for 98FE. The
> other files you mention are the same as what I've got.
>
> | TELNET.EXE "Telnet Program" 5.00.1755.2 (from KB 240163, aka
> | TELNETUP.EXE, but that patch is no longer posted separately at
> | Microsoft Downloads for Win98. Gotta get it from Windows Update or
> | from the Security Updates CD of Feb 2004 or from me or from some
> | trusted location. I checked this one out and it seems kosher. I did a
> | full compare between this one and the one in the Security Updates CD
> | from Feb 2004.:
> | .http://www.filewatcher.com/m/TelnetUp.EXE.149984.0.0.html
> |
> | I get prompted for each one twice, once for DUN and once for VPN. You
> | might want to check your versions of those files, and if they don't
> | match, consider reinstalling the Updates.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | http://grystmill.com
> |
> | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | news:eUlds89yIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> |> Harvey doesn't have one "bad" file, he's got several. He only DIDN'T
> |> overwrite one, and overwrote all the rest.
> |>
> |> You really think that the DUN 1.4 Update is going to restore all of
> |> the files that got overwritten? That none of the overwritten files
> |> came from other Updates? I'd have to go back through the entire list
> |> to be sure, but I don't think that was the only update involving
> |> Networking.
> |>
> |> Gotta admit, though, that DUN 1.4 replaces a lot of files.
> |>
> |> --
> |> Gary S. Terhune
> |> MS-MVP Shell/User
> |> http://grystmill.com
> |>
> |> "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> |>
> news:b71b0c13-d8a2-49b6-a0fe-6670f820e88c@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> |> You could go here:
> |> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/285189/EN-US/
> |>
> |> and download and install Microsoft Windows 98 Dial-Up Networking 1.4
> |> Upgrade which would very likely overwrite the "bad" file with a
> |> "better than ever" version and get you out of the dilemma sideways.
> |>
> |> In the future, don't do that anymore.
> |>
> |> On Jun 9, 2:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> |>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> |>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> |>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of
> |>> Yes.) Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> |>> How can I find out and update that file?
> |>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
> |>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way
> |>> to bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
> |>>
> |>> Harvey
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
 
P

PCR

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| I will remind you and anyone else that the OP started out by being
| rather emphatic that it's a Win98 Gold machine that is being
| discussed.
|
| Lots of MS patches have that same system. The file, once installed,
| needs to be named the same whether for 98 Gold or for SE (or even
| ME), but that's a PITA when packing up a patch, since it would
| require additional folders to keep them separate. Changing the
| extension during installation is easier.

OK, thanks. That's right, I didn't notice OP said he was Gold.

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| http://grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:eZrZBXSzIHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> | My mistake, I forgot how the prompt read. "Yes," to keep the file,
|> | "No," to overwrite.
|> |
|> | Anyway, in all my tests, simply adding the Dial-up Server causes no
|> | prompts, PROVIDED DUN and VON are already installed. Only if
|> | Dial-up Networking and VPN are NOT installed/updated do I get
|> | prompts to overwrite. Just installing those two (they come
|> | attached at the hip) causes the prompts. Installing Dial-up Server
|> | automatically installs the other two, and that would cause the
|> | prompts. Here's the files I get prompted to overwrite.
|> |
|> | SNMPAPI.DLL "SNMP Utility Library" 5.00.2195.5513 (KB314147)
|> |
|>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/win98/update/23433/w98/en-us/314147usa8.exe
|> |
|> | VIP.386 "Windows IP Driver" 4.10.2002 (KB259728)
|> |
|>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/win98/update/8070/w98/EN-US/259728USA8.EXE
|>
|> Because my Win98SE VIP.386 is version 4.10.2226, I looked looked
|> inside 259728USA8.EXE using WinZip. There are TWO of them in there...
|>
|> VIP.98g v.4.10.2002
|> VIP.98s v.4.10.2226
|>
|> Those would get renamed to VIP.386. But the first must be for 98FE.
|> The other files you mention are the same as what I've got.
|>
|> | TELNET.EXE "Telnet Program" 5.00.1755.2 (from KB 240163, aka
|> | TELNETUP.EXE, but that patch is no longer posted separately at
|> | Microsoft Downloads for Win98. Gotta get it from Windows Update or
|> | from the Security Updates CD of Feb 2004 or from me or from some
|> | trusted location. I checked this one out and it seems kosher. I
|> | did a full compare between this one and the one in the Security
|> | Updates CD from Feb 2004.:
|> | .http://www.filewatcher.com/m/TelnetUp.EXE.149984.0.0.html
|> |
|> | I get prompted for each one twice, once for DUN and once for VPN.
|> | You might want to check your versions of those files, and if they
|> | don't match, consider reinstalling the Updates.
|> |
|> | --
|> | Gary S. Terhune
|> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | http://grystmill.com
|> |
|> | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|> | news:eUlds89yIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> Harvey doesn't have one "bad" file, he's got several. He only
|> |> DIDN'T overwrite one, and overwrote all the rest.
|> |>
|> |> You really think that the DUN 1.4 Update is going to restore all
|> |> of the files that got overwritten? That none of the overwritten
|> |> files came from other Updates? I'd have to go back through the
|> |> entire list to be sure, but I don't think that was the only
|> |> update involving Networking.
|> |>
|> |> Gotta admit, though, that DUN 1.4 replaces a lot of files.
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Gary S. Terhune
|> |> MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> http://grystmill.com
|> |>
|> |> "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message
|> |>
|>
news:b71b0c13-d8a2-49b6-a0fe-6670f820e88c@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
|> |> You could go here:
|> |> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/285189/EN-US/
|> |>
|> |> and download and install Microsoft Windows 98 Dial-Up Networking
|> |> 1.4 Upgrade which would very likely overwrite the "bad" file with
|> |> a "better than ever" version and get you out of the dilemma
|> |> sideways.
|> |>
|> |> In the future, don't do that anymore.
|> |>
|> |> On Jun 9, 2:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
|> |>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
|> |>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I
|> |>> accidentally overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said
|> |>> No instead of Yes.) Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
|> |>> How can I find out and update that file?
|> |>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even
|> |>> long after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now
|> |>> no way to bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they
|> |>> stopped)?
|> |>>
|> |>> Harvey
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
H

Harvey

On Jun 12, 4:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> Did installing DUN 1.4 fix the problem, or can you still not connect to the
> Win98 machine??
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com

Still can't.

I have brought a second Win98FE computer into the picture.
Either W98FE machine can dial to the other or to the WXP.
But the WXP cannot dial to either of the W98FE computers.

At the moment I have yet another Win98_SE_ computer sprawled on the
floor.
I am trying to dial in to the main Win98FE computer,
but it has been stuck at "Answering..." for 28 minutes already (as I
type this).
It just keeps sending and receiving bytes (over 160kB each way so
far).
So that's yet a new problem/symptom.

Next I will try FE -> SE.

BTW, does anyone know if it has ever been done?
That is WinXPHome -> Win98FE without using VPN or any 3rd party SW?
I have been searching Google and Google Groups and have found a few
who have tried,
but have not found anyone claiming success.
(I don't give up easily.)

Harvey

>
> "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ff42e013-3563-41e4-8c95-b2ea9041087a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jun 11, 11:53 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> >> My mistake, I forgot how the prompt was worded. You say, "Yes," to keep
> >> the
> >> newer file.
>
> > That is exactly the "mistake" I made.
> > I have correctly answered that question many many times.
> > And, yes I was too quick on that first file this time.
> > Sorry for my impatience.
> > And thank you Lee and Gary for your help.
> > I did install Dial-Up Networking 1.4 as suggested by Lee.
> > Gary, the three files that you listed, I have the same version as you.
> > So for now I will assume that the mishap has been corrected by DUN1.4.
> > Harvey
>
> >> --
> >> Gary S. Terhune
> >> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com
>
> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in
> >> messagenews:%230qwaloyIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> >> > You'd have to know what the file is, first. Anyway, you generally do
> >> > NOT
> >> > want to overwrite newer files with older ones from the Windows CD when
> >> > there's a question like that. The files you have to worry about are the
> >> > ones where you said, "Yes" to that prompt. The ones you overwrote were
> >> > Windows Updates, mostly (though you may have gotten them elsewhere.)
>
> >> > I have a 2-CD set of Updates. The first CD is a copy of Microsoft's own
> >> > Security Updates CD from Feb 2004. The second CD contains all Windows
> >> > Update issued after that time that apply to Windows 98, 98SE and ME.
> >> > Note
> >> > that I include ONLY Windows Updates that I downloaded directly from the
> >> > WU
> >> > Catalog.
>
> >> > The CD set would allow you to reinstall everything that can be
> >> > reinstalled. I ask $3, check or cash, to cover costs. Write to
> >> > updates_at_grystmill.com
>
> >> > --
> >> > Gary S. Terhune
> >> > MS-MVP Shell/User
> >> >http://grystmill.com
>
> >> > "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:3d5adf42-fdae-46c0-b996-7f509708d8ed@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> On Jun 9, 1:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> >> >>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> >> >>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
> >> >>> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> >> >>> How can I find out and update that file?
> >> >>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
> >> >>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
> >> >>> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>
> >> >>> Harvey
>
> >> >> Found the update site but it didn't update anything.
> >> >> How do I find and download/install the old file?
>
> >> >> Harvey
 
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