Windows Update for 98 really all gone?

Harvey · Jun 14, 2008

On Jun 14, 1:31 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jun 12, 4:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>
> > Did installing DUN 1.4 fix the problem, or can you still not connect to the
> > Win98 machine??
>
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com
>
> Still can't.
>
> I have brought a second Win98FE computer into the picture.
> Either W98FE machine can dial to the other or to the WXP.
> But the WXP cannot dial to either of the W98FE computers.
>
> At the moment I have yet another Win98_SE_ computer sprawled on the
> floor.
> I am trying to dial in to the main Win98FE computer,
> but it has been stuck at "Answering..." for 28 minutes already (as I
> type this).
> It just keeps sending and receiving bytes (over 160kB each way so
> far).
> So that's yet a new problem/symptom.
>
> Next I will try FE -> SE.
>
> BTW, does anyone know if it has ever been done?
> That is WinXPHome -> Win98FE without using VPN or any 3rd party SW?
> I have been searching Google and Google Groups and have found a few
> who have tried,
> but have not found anyone claiming success.
> (I don't give up easily.)
>
> Harvey

I should have mentioned that the 98SE computer sprawled on the floor
has a 28.8K modem.
They do connect 28.8 -> 56, but not the other way.
So I can't try dialing W98SE to Win98FE - never establishes handshake.
Harvey

> > "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:ff42e013-3563-41e4-8c95-b2ea9041087a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Jun 11, 11:53 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> > >> My mistake, I forgot how the prompt was worded. You say, "Yes," to keep
> > >> the
> > >> newer file.
>
> > > That is exactly the "mistake" I made.
> > > I have correctly answered that question many many times.
> > > And, yes I was too quick on that first file this time.
> > > Sorry for my impatience.
> > > And thank you Lee and Gary for your help.
> > > I did install Dial-Up Networking 1.4 as suggested by Lee.
> > > Gary, the three files that you listed, I have the same version as you.
> > > So for now I will assume that the mishap has been corrected by DUN1.4.
> > > Harvey
>
> > >> --
> > >> Gary S. Terhune
> > >> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com
>
> > >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in
> > >> messagenews:%230qwaloyIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> > >> > You'd have to know what the file is, first. Anyway, you generally do
> > >> > NOT
> > >> > want to overwrite newer files with older ones from the Windows CD when
> > >> > there's a question like that. The files you have to worry about are the
> > >> > ones where you said, "Yes" to that prompt. The ones you overwrote were
> > >> > Windows Updates, mostly (though you may have gotten them elsewhere.)
>
> > >> > I have a 2-CD set of Updates. The first CD is a copy of Microsoft's own
> > >> > Security Updates CD from Feb 2004. The second CD contains all Windows
> > >> > Update issued after that time that apply to Windows 98, 98SE and ME.
> > >> > Note
> > >> > that I include ONLY Windows Updates that I downloaded directly from the
> > >> > WU
> > >> > Catalog.
>
> > >> > The CD set would allow you to reinstall everything that can be
> > >> > reinstalled. I ask $3, check or cash, to cover costs. Write to
> > >> > updates_at_grystmill.com
>
> > >> > --
> > >> > Gary S. Terhune
> > >> > MS-MVP Shell/User
> > >> >http://grystmill.com
>
> > >> > "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > >> >news:3d5adf42-fdae-46c0-b996-7f509708d8ed@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > >> >> On Jun 9, 1:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> > >> >>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> > >> >>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
> > >> >>> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> > >> >>> How can I find out and update that file?
> > >> >>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
> > >> >>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
> > >> >>> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>
> > >> >>> Harvey
>
> > >> >> Found the update site but it didn't update anything.
> > >> >> How do I find and download/install the old file?
>
> > >> >> Harvey

Harvey · Jun 15, 2008

On Jun 14, 2:02 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jun 14, 1:31 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 12, 4:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>
> > > Did installing DUN 1.4 fix the problem, or can you still not connect to the
> > > Win98 machine??
>
> > > --
> > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com
>
> > Still can't.
>
> > I have brought a second Win98FE computer into the picture.
> > Either W98FE machine can dial to the other or to the WXP.
> > But the WXP cannot dial to either of the W98FE computers.
>
> > At the moment I have yet another Win98_SE_ computer sprawled on the
> > floor.
> > I am trying to dial in to the main Win98FE computer,
> > but it has been stuck at "Answering..." for 28 minutes already (as I
> > type this).
> > It just keeps sending and receiving bytes (over 160kB each way so
> > far).
> > So that's yet a new problem/symptom.
>
> > Next I will try FE -> SE.
>
> > BTW, does anyone know if it has ever been done?
> > That is WinXPHome -> Win98FE without using VPN or any 3rd party SW?
> > I have been searching Google and Google Groups and have found a few
> > who have tried,
> > but have not found anyone claiming success.
> > (I don't give up easily.)
> > Harvey
>
> I should have mentioned that the 98SE computer sprawled on the floor
> has a 28.8K modem.
> They do connect 28.8 -> 56, but not the other way.
> So I can't try dialing W98SE to Win98FE - never establishes handshake.
> Harvey

Just changed out the 28.8k for a 33.6k.
And now calling the sprawled out Win98_SE_ from the WinXP Dell is just
like calling my main Win98 desktop computer.
Dies asking for Username, Password and Domain, with error 691 as
before.
Harvey

> > > "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:ff42e013-3563-41e4-8c95-b2ea9041087a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > On Jun 11, 11:53 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> > > >> My mistake, I forgot how the prompt was worded. You say, "Yes," to keep
> > > >> the
> > > >> newer file.
>
> > > > That is exactly the "mistake" I made.
> > > > I have correctly answered that question many many times.
> > > > And, yes I was too quick on that first file this time.
> > > > Sorry for my impatience.
> > > > And thank you Lee and Gary for your help.
> > > > I did install Dial-Up Networking 1.4 as suggested by Lee.
> > > > Gary, the three files that you listed, I have the same version as you.
> > > > So for now I will assume that the mishap has been corrected by DUN1.4.
> > > > Harvey
>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Gary S. Terhune
> > > >> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com
>
> > > >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in
> > > >> messagenews:%230qwaloyIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> > > >> > You'd have to know what the file is, first. Anyway, you generally do
> > > >> > NOT
> > > >> > want to overwrite newer files with older ones from the Windows CD when
> > > >> > there's a question like that. The files you have to worry about are the
> > > >> > ones where you said, "Yes" to that prompt. The ones you overwrote were
> > > >> > Windows Updates, mostly (though you may have gotten them elsewhere.)
>
> > > >> > I have a 2-CD set of Updates. The first CD is a copy of Microsoft's own
> > > >> > Security Updates CD from Feb 2004. The second CD contains all Windows
> > > >> > Update issued after that time that apply to Windows 98, 98SE and ME.
> > > >> > Note
> > > >> > that I include ONLY Windows Updates that I downloaded directly from the
> > > >> > WU
> > > >> > Catalog.
>
> > > >> > The CD set would allow you to reinstall everything that can be
> > > >> > reinstalled. I ask $3, check or cash, to cover costs. Write to
> > > >> > updates_at_grystmill.com
>
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Gary S. Terhune
> > > >> > MS-MVP Shell/User
> > > >> >http://grystmill.com
>
> > > >> > "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > >> >news:3d5adf42-fdae-46c0-b996-7f509708d8ed@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> >> On Jun 9, 1:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> > > >> >>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> > > >> >>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
> > > >> >>> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> > > >> >>> How can I find out and update that file?
> > > >> >>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
> > > >> >>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
> > > >> >>> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>
> > > >> >>> Harvey
>
> > > >> >> Found the update site but it didn't update anything.
> > > >> >> How do I find and download/install the old file?
>
> > > >> >> Harvey

Lee · Jun 16, 2008

On Jun 15, 1:10 am, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jun 14, 2:02 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 14, 1:31 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > On Jun 12, 4:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>
> > > > Did installing DUN 1.4 fix the problem, or can you still not connect to the
> > > > Win98 machine??
>
> > > > --
> > > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > > MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com
>
> > > Still can't.
>
> > > I have brought a second Win98FE computer into the picture.
> > > Either W98FE machine can dial to the other or to the WXP.
> > > But the WXP cannot dial to either of the W98FE computers.
>
> > > At the moment I have yet another Win98_SE_ computer sprawled on the
> > > floor.
> > > I am trying to dial in to the main Win98FE computer,
> > > but it has been stuck at "Answering..." for 28 minutes already (as I
> > > type this).
> > > It just keeps sending and receiving bytes (over 160kB each way so
> > > far).
> > > So that's yet a new problem/symptom.
>
> > > Next I will try FE -> SE.
>
> > > BTW, does anyone know if it has ever been done?
> > > That is WinXPHome -> Win98FE without using VPN or any 3rd party SW?
> > > I have been searching Google and Google Groups and have found a few
> > > who have tried,
> > > but have not found anyone claiming success.
> > > (I don't give up easily.)
> > > Harvey
>
> > I should have mentioned that the 98SE computer sprawled on the floor
> > has a 28.8K modem.
> > They do connect 28.8 -> 56, but not the other way.
> > So I can't try dialing W98SE to Win98FE - never establishes handshake.
> > Harvey
>
> Just changed out the 28.8k for a 33.6k.
> And now calling the sprawled out Win98_SE_ from the WinXP Dell is just
> like calling my main Win98 desktop computer.
> Dies asking for Username, Password and Domain, with error 691 as
> before.
> Harvey
>
A Google search for "error 691" +server got me a few most interesting
hits - why so lazy with the error number before this? The only tools
we really got have to come from you, so be verbose about it sooner.

permit only MS-CHAP v2 authentication via settings in:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826157

use HyperTerminal instead
http://modemsite.com/56k/duns691.asp

and 15,800 more or less other hits if those two fixes didn't get you
going right away.

As to the files issue, consult RNA.INF file for creating a delete file
list under [RNASERV] and [RNA] section's CopyFiles lines. For
example, under [RNASERV] section you can see that the section
MS_RNASERV_SYS_CopyFiles is pointed to and it only has one file
listed:
rnaserv.dll

which should be added to the list of files to be deleted or at least
double checked for their installed version against what versions are
available from your cab files. Once you have the file list made you
could delete them manually and then uninstall Dial-up Server and the
like from Add/Remove Programs|Windows Setup tab, Communications area.
Reboot and then reinstall all those items which should get you all new
files to start over with. Include VPN, HyperTerminal, and DUN while
you are at it.

However if you have installed higher versioned files from say the 1.4
DUN update that I pointed you to then those files may NOT be
overwritten by the "uninstall to re-install" file renewal technique.
There is a good chance that the 1.4 DUN files will just sit there and
NOT be renewed at all, so you should go by the list made earlier and
manually double check that the version you got is the version you want
for all files on the list. It might be easier to just flatten the
machine and start over as Gary puts it.

Finally, from the Network applet in your Control Panel, remove all
items and only add back in your chosen Primary Network Login choice.
Reboot. Then add back only the minimum devices required for your
system. I don't why this works - but it does many times when nothing
else seems to be working.

>
>
> > > > "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:ff42e013-3563-41e4-8c95-b2ea9041087a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > > > On Jun 11, 11:53 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> > > > >> My mistake, I forgot how the prompt was worded. You say, "Yes," to keep
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> newer file.
>
> > > > > That is exactly the "mistake" I made.
> > > > > I have correctly answered that question many many times.
> > > > > And, yes I was too quick on that first file this time.
> > > > > Sorry for my impatience.
> > > > > And thank you Lee and Gary for your help.
> > > > > I did install Dial-Up Networking 1.4 as suggested by Lee.
> > > > > Gary, the three files that you listed, I have the same version as you.
> > > > > So for now I will assume that the mishap has been corrected by DUN1.4.
> > > > > Harvey
>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Gary S. Terhune
> > > > >> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com
>
> > > > >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in
> > > > >> messagenews:%230qwaloyIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> > > > >> > You'd have to know what the file is, first. Anyway, you generally do
> > > > >> > NOT
> > > > >> > want to overwrite newer files with older ones from the Windows CD when
> > > > >> > there's a question like that. The files you have to worry about are the
> > > > >> > ones where you said, "Yes" to that prompt. The ones you overwrote were
> > > > >> > Windows Updates, mostly (though you may have gotten them elsewhere.)
>
> > > > >> > I have a 2-CD set of Updates. The first CD is a copy of Microsoft's own
> > > > >> > Security Updates CD from Feb 2004. The second CD contains all Windows
> > > > >> > Update issued after that time that apply to Windows 98, 98SE and ME.
> > > > >> > Note
> > > > >> > that I include ONLY Windows Updates that I downloaded directly from the
> > > > >> > WU
> > > > >> > Catalog.
>
> > > > >> > The CD set would allow you to reinstall everything that can be
> > > > >> > reinstalled. I ask $3, check or cash, to cover costs. Write to
> > > > >> > updates_at_grystmill.com
>
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > Gary S. Terhune
> > > > >> > MS-MVP Shell/User
> > > > >> >http://grystmill.com
>
> > > > >> > "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> >news:3d5adf42-fdae-46c0-b996-7f509708d8ed@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >> >> On Jun 9, 1:49 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >>> Running Win98 (NOT SE).
> > > > >> >>> While reinstalling the Dial Up Networking and Server, I accidentally
> > > > >> >>> overwrote a newer file with an older one. (I said No instead of Yes.)
> > > > >> >>> Didn't catch the filename so it's gone.
> > > > >> >>> How can I find out and update that file?
> > > > >> >>> I tried "Windows Update" which worked last time I tried, even long
> > > > >> >>> after MS stopped supporting or updating Win98. Is there now no way to
> > > > >> >>> bring Win98 up to date (as of 2006 or whenever they stopped)?
>
> > > > >> >>> Harvey
>
> > > > >> >> Found the update site but it didn't update anything.
> > > > >> >> How do I find and download/install the old file?
>
> > > > >> >> Harvey- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
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Dan · Aug 2, 2008

<snipped for length concerns>

The interesting thing is the poster mentioned Windows 98 Gold originally but
also stated that the OP was working on a Windows 98 Second Edition machine.
It sounds like the OP has his hands full. I know I always get confused if I
am working on more than one project at once due to my learning disability.

PCR · Aug 2, 2008

Dan wrote:
| <snipped for length concerns>
|
| The interesting thing is the poster mentioned Windows 98 Gold
| originally but also stated that the OP was working on a Windows 98
| Second Edition machine. It sounds like the OP has his hands full. I
| know I always get confused if I am working on more than one project
| at once due to my learning disability.

It's tough for anyone to keep the various versions of some files sorted
properly. I can't blame anyone for that except MS itself. However, they
did write an installer that does seem to pick the right version among
many to install on a per OS basis. I guess that's good enough. Looks
like I've got the right version of VIP.386, anyhow.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Dan · Aug 2, 2008

That is nice to know. Fortunately, no dll hell on my end with Windows 2000
drivers being used for the printer and Windows ME drivers for the ATI 9800 XT
graphics card. <grins>

"PCR" wrote:

> Dan wrote:
> | <snipped for length concerns>
> |
> | The interesting thing is the poster mentioned Windows 98 Gold
> | originally but also stated that the OP was working on a Windows 98
> | Second Edition machine. It sounds like the OP has his hands full. I
> | know I always get confused if I am working on more than one project
> | at once due to my learning disability.
>
> It's tough for anyone to keep the various versions of some files sorted
> properly. I can't blame anyone for that except MS itself. However, they
> did write an installer that does seem to pick the right version among
> many to install on a per OS basis. I guess that's good enough. Looks
> like I've got the right version of VIP.386, anyhow.
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
>

PCR · Aug 3, 2008

Dan · Aug 5, 2008

I understand that the radiation of XP and Vista driver(s) could indeed cause
explosions of *.dll hell or worse in 98 Second Edition. Is that a correction
theory, Captain PCR. <grins>

"PCR" wrote:

> Dan wrote:
> | That is nice to know. Fortunately, no dll hell on my end with
> | Windows 2000 drivers being used for the printer and Windows ME
> | drivers for the ATI 9800 XT graphics card. <grins>
>
> If all is working well like that, you did well. I would want to do it
> too on the day I couldn't find a fit & proper Win98 driver for
> something. Very good-- but stay away from anything XP/Vista!
>
> | "PCR" wrote:
> |
> |> Dan wrote:
> |> | <snipped for length concerns>
> |> |
> |> | The interesting thing is the poster mentioned Windows 98 Gold
> |> | originally but also stated that the OP was working on a Windows 98
> |> | Second Edition machine. It sounds like the OP has his hands full.
> |> | I know I always get confused if I am working on more than one
> |> | project at once due to my learning disability.
> |>
> |> It's tough for anyone to keep the various versions of some files
> |> sorted properly. I can't blame anyone for that except MS itself.
> |> However, they did write an installer that does seem to pick the
> |> right version among many to install on a per OS basis. I guess
> |> that's good enough. Looks like I've got the right version of
> |> VIP.386, anyhow.
> |>
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
>

PCR · Aug 10, 2008

Dan wrote:
| I understand that the radiation of XP and Vista driver(s) could
| indeed cause explosions of *.dll hell or worse in 98 Second Edition.
| Is that a correction theory, Captain PCR. <grins>

Aye. OK, bye.

| "PCR" wrote:
|
|> Dan wrote:
|> | That is nice to know. Fortunately, no dll hell on my end with
|> | Windows 2000 drivers being used for the printer and Windows ME
|> | drivers for the ATI 9800 XT graphics card. <grins>
|>
|> If all is working well like that, you did well. I would want to do it
|> too on the day I couldn't find a fit & proper Win98 driver for
|> something. Very good-- but stay away from anything XP/Vista!
|>
|> | "PCR" wrote:
|> |
|> |> Dan wrote:
|> |> | <snipped for length concerns>
|> |> |
|> |> | The interesting thing is the poster mentioned Windows 98 Gold
|> |> | originally but also stated that the OP was working on a Windows
|> |> | 98 Second Edition machine. It sounds like the OP has his hands
|> |> | full. I know I always get confused if I am working on more than
|> |> | one project at once due to my learning disability.
|> |>
|> |> It's tough for anyone to keep the various versions of some files
|> |> sorted properly. I can't blame anyone for that except MS itself.
|> |> However, they did write an installer that does seem to pick the
|> |> right version among many to install on a per OS basis. I guess
|> |> that's good enough. Looks like I've got the right version of
|> |> VIP.386, anyhow.
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Dan · Aug 11, 2008

Hey now, not quite bye but I was thinking about posting my versions too if
you are interested PCR. Also, I have now noticed that I do indeed get an
error when I go into dos mode but I think I will start a new thread about
that to get the experts here to fix that issue. Thanks again, PCR. You
truly are an awesome individual.

"PCR" wrote:

> Dan wrote:
> | I understand that the radiation of XP and Vista driver(s) could
> | indeed cause explosions of *.dll hell or worse in 98 Second Edition.
> | Is that a correction theory, Captain PCR. <grins>
>
> Aye. OK, bye.
>
> | "PCR" wrote:
> |
> |> Dan wrote:
> |> | That is nice to know. Fortunately, no dll hell on my end with
> |> | Windows 2000 drivers being used for the printer and Windows ME
> |> | drivers for the ATI 9800 XT graphics card. <grins>
> |>
> |> If all is working well like that, you did well. I would want to do it
> |> too on the day I couldn't find a fit & proper Win98 driver for
> |> something. Very good-- but stay away from anything XP/Vista!
> |>
> |> | "PCR" wrote:
> |> |
> |> |> Dan wrote:
> |> |> | <snipped for length concerns>
> |> |> |
> |> |> | The interesting thing is the poster mentioned Windows 98 Gold
> |> |> | originally but also stated that the OP was working on a Windows
> |> |> | 98 Second Edition machine. It sounds like the OP has his hands
> |> |> | full. I know I always get confused if I am working on more than
> |> |> | one project at once due to my learning disability.
> |> |>
> |> |> It's tough for anyone to keep the various versions of some files
> |> |> sorted properly. I can't blame anyone for that except MS itself.
> |> |> However, they did write an installer that does seem to pick the
> |> |> right version among many to install on a per OS basis. I guess
> |> |> that's good enough. Looks like I've got the right version of
> |> |> VIP.386, anyhow.
> |> |>
> |> |>
> |> |> --
> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> |> PCR
> |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
>

PCR · Aug 15, 2008

Dan wrote:
| Hey now, not quite bye but I was thinking about posting my versions
| too if you are interested PCR. Also, I have now noticed that I do
| indeed get an error when I go into dos mode but I think I will start
| a new thread about that to get the experts here to fix that issue.
| Thanks again, PCR. You truly are an awesome individual.

I don't want to know about XP/Vista versions! On the DOS problem, I'll
look for the thread when I get a chance, if it hasn't been solved by now
(& I hope it was). I continue to be busy with a leaky roof, pulling
weeds & a bad HDTV antenna. Only the weeds have been mostly solved!

| "PCR" wrote:
|
|> Dan wrote:
|> | I understand that the radiation of XP and Vista driver(s) could
|> | indeed cause explosions of *.dll hell or worse in 98 Second
|> | Edition. Is that a correction theory, Captain PCR. <grins>
|>
|> Aye. OK, bye.
|>
|> | "PCR" wrote:
|> |
|> |> Dan wrote:
|> |> | That is nice to know. Fortunately, no dll hell on my end with
|> |> | Windows 2000 drivers being used for the printer and Windows ME
|> |> | drivers for the ATI 9800 XT graphics card. <grins>
|> |>
|> |> If all is working well like that, you did well. I would want to
|> |> do it too on the day I couldn't find a fit & proper Win98 driver
|> |> for something. Very good-- but stay away from anything XP/Vista!
|> |>
|> |> | "PCR" wrote:
|> |> |
|> |> |> Dan wrote:
|> |> |> | <snipped for length concerns>
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | The interesting thing is the poster mentioned Windows 98 Gold
|> |> |> | originally but also stated that the OP was working on a
|> |> |> | Windows 98 Second Edition machine. It sounds like the OP has
|> |> |> | his hands full. I know I always get confused if I am working
|> |> |> | on more than one project at once due to my learning
|> |> |> | disability.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> It's tough for anyone to keep the various versions of some
|> |> |> files sorted properly. I can't blame anyone for that except MS
|> |> |> itself. However, they did write an installer that does seem to
|> |> |> pick the right version among many to install on a per OS
|> |> |> basis. I guess that's good enough. Looks like I've got the
|> |> |> right version of VIP.386, anyhow.
|> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |> |> --
|> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> |> PCR
|> |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Buffalo · Aug 15, 2008

PCR wrote:
>
> I don't want to know about XP/Vista versions! On the DOS problem, I'll
> look for the thread when I get a chance, if it hasn't been solved by
> now (& I hope it was). I continue to be busy with a leaky roof,
> pulling weeds & a bad HDTV antenna. Only the weeds have been mostly
> solved!
>
Let me get this straight. A choice between a fixing a bad HDTV and pulling
weeds? Come on now PCR. After all, there are certain priorities, aren't
there?

Dan · Aug 17, 2008

So, PCR, are you thinking weeds first being the worst and least favorite to
most people I would guess, then new HDTV antenna as a reward and finally
newsgroup fun. <grin>

"PCR" wrote:

> Dan wrote:
> | Hey now, not quite bye but I was thinking about posting my versions
> | too if you are interested PCR. Also, I have now noticed that I do
> | indeed get an error when I go into dos mode but I think I will start
> | a new thread about that to get the experts here to fix that issue.
> | Thanks again, PCR. You truly are an awesome individual.
>
> I don't want to know about XP/Vista versions! On the DOS problem, I'll
> look for the thread when I get a chance, if it hasn't been solved by now
> (& I hope it was). I continue to be busy with a leaky roof, pulling
> weeds & a bad HDTV antenna. Only the weeds have been mostly solved!
>
> | "PCR" wrote:
> |
> |> Dan wrote:
> |> | I understand that the radiation of XP and Vista driver(s) could
> |> | indeed cause explosions of *.dll hell or worse in 98 Second
> |> | Edition. Is that a correction theory, Captain PCR. <grins>
> |>
> |> Aye. OK, bye.
> |>
> |> | "PCR" wrote:
> |> |
> |> |> Dan wrote:
> |> |> | That is nice to know. Fortunately, no dll hell on my end with
> |> |> | Windows 2000 drivers being used for the printer and Windows ME
> |> |> | drivers for the ATI 9800 XT graphics card. <grins>
> |> |>
> |> |> If all is working well like that, you did well. I would want to
> |> |> do it too on the day I couldn't find a fit & proper Win98 driver
> |> |> for something. Very good-- but stay away from anything XP/Vista!
> |> |>
> |> |> | "PCR" wrote:
> |> |> |
> |> |> |> Dan wrote:
> |> |> |> | <snipped for length concerns>
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |> | The interesting thing is the poster mentioned Windows 98 Gold
> |> |> |> | originally but also stated that the OP was working on a
> |> |> |> | Windows 98 Second Edition machine. It sounds like the OP has
> |> |> |> | his hands full. I know I always get confused if I am working
> |> |> |> | on more than one project at once due to my learning
> |> |> |> | disability.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> It's tough for anyone to keep the various versions of some
> |> |> |> files sorted properly. I can't blame anyone for that except MS
> |> |> |> itself. However, they did write an installer that does seem to
> |> |> |> pick the right version among many to install on a per OS
> |> |> |> basis. I guess that's good enough. Looks like I've got the
> |> |> |> right version of VIP.386, anyhow.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> --
> |> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> |> |> PCR
> |> |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> |> |>
> |> |> --
> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> |> PCR
> |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
>

Buffalo · Aug 17, 2008

Dan wrote:
> So, PCR, are you thinking weeds first being the worst and least
> favorite to most people I would guess, then new HDTV antenna as a
> reward and finally newsgroup fun. <grin>
>
> "PCR" wrote:
[snip]
>>
>> I don't want to know about XP/Vista versions! On the DOS problem,
>> I'll look for the thread when I get a chance, if it hasn't been
>> solved by now (& I hope it was). I continue to be busy with a leaky
>> roof, pulling weeds & a bad HDTV antenna. Only the weeds have been
>> mostly solved!

Ya know, since the weather was probably nice enough to pull the weeds, he
probably should have gone up on the roof first (make hay while the sun
shines), fixed the leak and also the HDTV antennae, then went down and
pulled the weeds. It would be hard to watch the HDTV while the roof is
leaking and/or the spouse is 'bitch'n' about it.

PCR · Aug 17, 2008

The weeds got to be higher than me! It was time for them to go! They are
fairly well gone now after 3/so weeks of daily pulling-- & gloves & Off!
kept the damage to me at a minimum this time around! The leaky roof took
two tries now. The next rain will prove whether a 3rd is necessary! I
can't seem to get HDTV channel 2.1 on my Vizio VW37L HDTV using a
Philips Mant510 indoor antenna anymore-- & I've retuned about 100 times
now! Other HDTV seem to come go-- but mostly go too! However, it isn't
yet a crisis because I get the Olympics fine on 4.1. First try will be
to replace the antenna.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PCR · Aug 17, 2008

Buffalo wrote:
| Dan wrote:
|> So, PCR, are you thinking weeds first being the worst and least
|> favorite to most people I would guess, then new HDTV antenna as a
|> reward and finally newsgroup fun. <grin>
|>
|> "PCR" wrote:
| [snip]
|>>
|>> I don't want to know about XP/Vista versions! On the DOS problem,
|>> I'll look for the thread when I get a chance, if it hasn't been
|>> solved by now (& I hope it was). I continue to be busy with a leaky
|>> roof, pulling weeds & a bad HDTV antenna. Only the weeds have been
|>> mostly solved!
|
| Ya know, since the weather was probably nice enough to pull the
| weeds, he probably should have gone up on the roof first (make hay
| while the sun shines), fixed the leak and also the HDTV antennae,
| then went down and pulled the weeds. It would be hard to watch the
| HDTV while the roof is leaking and/or the spouse is 'bitch'n' about
| it.

I started with the weeds before hearing a complaint about the leak.
Oddly, the water got to the middle floor first, then the top & never
made it down to me on the bottom that I could see. It won't be long
before I have to think of plaster & paint.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Dan · Aug 18, 2008

Keep us informed, PCR, and our thoughts and hope for the best are with you at
least from me. <smiles>

"PCR" wrote:

> Buffalo wrote:
> | Dan wrote:
> |> So, PCR, are you thinking weeds first being the worst and least
> |> favorite to most people I would guess, then new HDTV antenna as a
> |> reward and finally newsgroup fun. <grin>
> |>
> |> "PCR" wrote:
> | [snip]
> |>>
> |>> I don't want to know about XP/Vista versions! On the DOS problem,
> |>> I'll look for the thread when I get a chance, if it hasn't been
> |>> solved by now (& I hope it was). I continue to be busy with a leaky
> |>> roof, pulling weeds & a bad HDTV antenna. Only the weeds have been
> |>> mostly solved!
> |
> | Ya know, since the weather was probably nice enough to pull the
> | weeds, he probably should have gone up on the roof first (make hay
> | while the sun shines), fixed the leak and also the HDTV antennae,
> | then went down and pulled the weeds. It would be hard to watch the
> | HDTV while the roof is leaking and/or the spouse is 'bitch'n' about
> | it.
>
> I started with the weeds before hearing a complaint about the leak.
> Oddly, the water got to the middle floor first, then the top & never
> made it down to me on the bottom that I could see. It won't be long
> before I have to think of plaster & paint.
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
>

PCR · Aug 20, 2008

Dan wrote:
| Keep us informed, PCR, and our thoughts and hope for the best are
| with you at least from me. <smiles>

Thanks. It hasn't rained again yet. You may presume the the house is
dry, if I never update the issue or complain again.

| "PCR" wrote:
|
|> Buffalo wrote:
|> | Dan wrote:
|> |> So, PCR, are you thinking weeds first being the worst and least
|> |> favorite to most people I would guess, then new HDTV antenna as a
|> |> reward and finally newsgroup fun. <grin>
|> |>
|> |> "PCR" wrote:
|> | [snip]
|> |>>
|> |>> I don't want to know about XP/Vista versions! On the DOS problem,
|> |>> I'll look for the thread when I get a chance, if it hasn't been
|> |>> solved by now (& I hope it was). I continue to be busy with a
|> |>> leaky roof, pulling weeds & a bad HDTV antenna. Only the weeds
|> |>> have been mostly solved!
|> |
|> | Ya know, since the weather was probably nice enough to pull the
|> | weeds, he probably should have gone up on the roof first (make hay
|> | while the sun shines), fixed the leak and also the HDTV antennae,
|> | then went down and pulled the weeds. It would be hard to watch the
|> | HDTV while the roof is leaking and/or the spouse is 'bitch'n' about
|> | it.
|>
|> I started with the weeds before hearing a complaint about the leak.
|> Oddly, the water got to the middle floor first, then the top & never
|> made it down to me on the bottom that I could see. It won't be long
|> before I have to think of plaster & paint.
|>
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Dan · Aug 20, 2008

PCR, I am burying this security issue within this thread on purpose. The
problem is Undetermined String Constants within Microsoft/NBC news articles.
The problem seems to be specifically targeting the security articles and
technology articles within msnbc. Do you have any information on this and
could you investigate. It shows up when you have all errors to be registered
by Internet Explorer. Calls to Microsoft just end up being that it is an msn
issue and then I just get voice stuff from msn. Emails to Microsoft on the
issue go unanswered as compared to my other answered email security and
safety issues. I do not have time to be on all day with msn and Microsoft
especially since Microsoft says it is an msn issue and msn is Microsoft and
NBC and I am sure NBC does not have the smarts to figure it out. Do you have
any info. on this and how to proceed. Thanks in advance and I am glad it is
staying dry for you.

"PCR" wrote:

> Dan wrote:
> | Keep us informed, PCR, and our thoughts and hope for the best are
> | with you at least from me. <smiles>
>
> Thanks. It hasn't rained again yet. You may presume the the house is
> dry, if I never update the issue or complain again.
>
> | "PCR" wrote:
> |
> |> Buffalo wrote:
> |> | Dan wrote:
> |> |> So, PCR, are you thinking weeds first being the worst and least
> |> |> favorite to most people I would guess, then new HDTV antenna as a
> |> |> reward and finally newsgroup fun. <grin>
> |> |>
> |> |> "PCR" wrote:
> |> | [snip]
> |> |>>
> |> |>> I don't want to know about XP/Vista versions! On the DOS problem,
> |> |>> I'll look for the thread when I get a chance, if it hasn't been
> |> |>> solved by now (& I hope it was). I continue to be busy with a
> |> |>> leaky roof, pulling weeds & a bad HDTV antenna. Only the weeds
> |> |>> have been mostly solved!
> |> |
> |> | Ya know, since the weather was probably nice enough to pull the
> |> | weeds, he probably should have gone up on the roof first (make hay
> |> | while the sun shines), fixed the leak and also the HDTV antennae,
> |> | then went down and pulled the weeds. It would be hard to watch the
> |> | HDTV while the roof is leaking and/or the spouse is 'bitch'n' about
> |> | it.
> |>
> |> I started with the weeds before hearing a complaint about the leak.
> |> Oddly, the water got to the middle floor first, then the top & never
> |> made it down to me on the bottom that I could see. It won't be long
> |> before I have to think of plaster & paint.
> |>
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
>

PCR · Aug 20, 2008

Dan wrote:
| PCR, I am burying this security issue within this thread on purpose.
| The problem is Undetermined String Constants within Microsoft/NBC
| news articles. The problem seems to be specifically targeting the
| security articles and technology articles within msnbc. Do you have
| any information on this and could you investigate. It shows up when
| you have all errors to be registered by Internet Explorer. Calls to
| Microsoft just end up being that it is an msn issue and then I just
| get voice stuff from msn. Emails to Microsoft on the issue go
| unanswered as compared to my other answered email security and safety
| issues. I do not have time to be on all day with msn and Microsoft
| especially since Microsoft says it is an msn issue and msn is
| Microsoft and NBC and I am sure NBC does not have the smarts to
| figure it out. Do you have any info. on this and how to proceed.
| Thanks in advance and I am glad it is staying dry for you.

Just going by this...
http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/forum/windows-95-98-me/3867-internet-explorer-6-error.html
Internet Explorer 6 error

.... it seems to be a scripting error. It's something a site has done
wrong-- a logical or syntax error in a script the site uses or wrote. I
see no big reason to suspect foul play. Do you know definitively
otherwise? Personally, I have checked both...

(a) Disable script debugging, &
(b) Display a notification about every script error

.... in Internet Options, Browser section. That is why I probably haven't
ever seen the error, as i think you already said.

The full Google search...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Undetermined+String+Constants&btnG=Google+Search
....does come up with 25,000 mentionings.

Here is an interesting one...
http://forums.majorgeeks.com/archive/index.php?t-116911.html
Undetermined string constant Error in 98se

It suggests the error also will go away by allowing certain multmedia
options in Internet Options. All of the options in my own Multimedia
section are checked except the first. That could be another reason I
don't get the error.

| "PCR" wrote:
|
|> Dan wrote:
|> | Keep us informed, PCR, and our thoughts and hope for the best are
|> | with you at least from me. <smiles>
|>
|> Thanks. It hasn't rained again yet. You may presume the the house is
|> dry, if I never update the issue or complain again.
|>
|> | "PCR" wrote:
|> |
|> |> Buffalo wrote:
|> |> | Dan wrote:
|> |> |> So, PCR, are you thinking weeds first being the worst and least
|> |> |> favorite to most people I would guess, then new HDTV antenna
|> |> |> as a reward and finally newsgroup fun. <grin>
|> |> |>
|> |> |> "PCR" wrote:
|> |> | [snip]
|> |> |>>
|> |> |>> I don't want to know about XP/Vista versions! On the DOS
|> |> |>> problem, I'll look for the thread when I get a chance, if it
|> |> |>> hasn't been solved by now (& I hope it was). I continue to be
|> |> |>> busy with a leaky roof, pulling weeds & a bad HDTV antenna.
|> |> |>> Only the weeds have been mostly solved!
|> |> |
|> |> | Ya know, since the weather was probably nice enough to pull the
|> |> | weeds, he probably should have gone up on the roof first (make
|> |> | hay while the sun shines), fixed the leak and also the HDTV
|> |> | antennae, then went down and pulled the weeds. It would be hard
|> |> | to watch the HDTV while the roof is leaking and/or the spouse
|> |> | is 'bitch'n' about it.
|> |>
|> |> I started with the weeds before hearing a complaint about the
|> |> leak. Oddly, the water got to the middle floor first, then the
|> |> top & never made it down to me on the bottom that I could see. It
|> |> won't be long before I have to think of plaster & paint.
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

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