win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

[Buffalo]

PCR wrote:
>
> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character &
> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this NG
> for less!

You should write a book. Very entertaining!

 

[Jason James]

"partymarty4870" <partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
newsartymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com...
>
> This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am setting up
> an old computer.
>
> Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it crashed
> win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).
>
> Upon restarting WIN98 after Windows welcome screen it stalls for a
> while at the Blue screen of death then an error message appears
>
> "Explorer
>
> This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut
> down........(you know the rest)
>
> Details
> EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER>EXE at
> 015f:0040lf3l
>
> Now the problem is this. It is a borrowed computer so I can not simply
> do a fresh install on windows.
>
> I have extracted and replaced explorer.exe from a old win98se disc I
> had. this has not fixed the problem.
>
> I have gone to every registry refresh point via scanreg. This did not
> fix the problem.
>
> I have run scanreg/fix. this didn't fix the problem.
>
> I have spent six hours searching for solutions on the net
>
> I have approx 48hrs to fix this or I will have to buy another PC, which
> i do not want to do for the 3 weeks it will be needed.
>
> Any help appreciated

I have win98se and it would just simply stop during start-up. The last
screen it had up was an AVG screen. Couldnt tell which one as it just
flashed the border on the screen, then stalled,..dead, nada, zippo. What to
do? After mucking around for about an hour, I found it would start OK in
"safe-mode". So I ran "maintenance wizard" (scan-disk and defrag) from
"programs" "system tools" and the problem went away,...for a few days.
Eventually, I uninstalled AVG and re-installed it from scratch. This was a
permanent fix.
The only thing i can think of which caused AVG to spaz-out the PC was a
habit we had of "pause scanning" during an AVG daily scans, and then
forgetting to let it finish. Since then, I properly close AVG, and let it do
a full scan during times the PC is not in use. On dial-up, AVG caused the PC
to go so slow (on other tasks)that it was unuseable. It also takes over
hour.

Jason

 

[PCR]

Buffalo wrote:
| PCR wrote:
|>
|> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character &
|> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this NG
|> for less!
|
| You should write a book. Very entertaining!

.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[PCR]

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command"
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806
|
| In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s).

Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted here
before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control appwiz.cpl.
It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a Master Post!

| Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an uninstaller
| in the program's folder.

That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style names.
However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have once/twice
posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile Run box. I guess
it could be worth a try even in this particular case where OP's machine
won't boot directly to Explorer.

| If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to
| run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or even
| install it again to see if it works this time... Except, I'm betting
| that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the Optus
| instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and 98SE. But
| the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE as minimum.
| Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on a 98 Gold machine,
| but it stalled when it couldn't find the device. The interface was
| identical to that shown on Optus. Anyway, all the places I saw it
| discussed in forums that might relate to a Win98FE situation suggest
| that it doesn't work very well, if at all.

Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did
actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is that
like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine-- BUT that was
in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly-- once he clicked the
right program to install! He tried 3 times clicking something else
first!

| If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To know
| much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual software
| Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens

It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a WinFile Run
box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS names!

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| http://grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and a
|> | repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to
|> | Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was installing
|> | when the machine crashed might help the most. THEN, if there are
|> | still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the reinstall unless
|> | absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause a bit of DLL Hell and
|> | definitely requires that a few patches be reinstalled at WU.
|>
|> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can boot to
|> WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how to get to the
|> Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.
|>
|> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he shows
|> | up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under such a
|> | deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when whatever it
|> | is he needed the laptop for is done, he still needs to fix that
|> | borrowed computer.
|>
|> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character &
|> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this NG
|> for less!
|>
|> | --
|> | Gary S. Terhune
|> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | http://grystmill.com
|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> partymarty4870 wrote:
|> |> | thanks guys/girls
|> |> |
|> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately
|> |> | any solution has to be in DOS.
|> |> |
|> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when
|> |> | this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a
|> |> | modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that
|> |> | can run on 98.
|> |> |
|> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched
|> |> | 98, this is so frustrating!!
|> |>
|> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so, then
|> |> do as the others said to get your modem un/re-installed.
|> |>
|> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as well
|> |> try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site, which is a
|> |> temporary reversion to an earlier version of IE...
|> |>
|> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile,
|> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that file's
|> |> LFN (Long File Name) in the destination.
|> |>
|> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.
|> |>
|> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the computer.
|> |> Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin pressing the
|> |> F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete this step
|> |> successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is displayed. If
|> |> no menu is displayed and Windows starts up normally, repeat this
|> |> step.
|> |>
|> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to
|> |> select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key.
|> |>
|> |> (4) At the command prompt, type:
|> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini
|> |> Press ENTER.
|> |>
|> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text
|> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This is
|> |> typically the third line in the file.
|> |>
|> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the
|> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The line
|> |> should list the following:
|> |> Shell=Winfile.exe
|> |>
|> |> (7) To save the changes...
|> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.
|> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.
|> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command
|> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)
|> |>
|> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the
|> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts into
|> |> the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).
|> |>
|> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the
|> |> left hand window to open the Program Files folder.
|> |>
|> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open the
|> |> Internet Explorer folder.
|> |>
|> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the
|> |> Setup folder.
|> |>
|> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in the
|> |> right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.
|> |>
|> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer has
|> |> not been updated and a previous version of Internet Explorer
|> |> cannot be restored. You cannot use this method. Close "Winfile",
|> |> shut down, & post back, or try the URL at the very bottom of this
|> |> post, which is an over-install of IE.
|> |>
|> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup window,
|> |> click OK.
|> |>
|> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the
|> |> previous version of Internet Explorer.
|> |>
|> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.
|> |>
|> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart
|> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows.
|> |>
|> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup Menu,
|> |> or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you
|> |> complete this
|> |>
|> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is
|> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up
|> |> normally, repeat this step.
|> |>
|> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to
|> |> select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.
|> |>
|> |> (18) At the command prompt, type:
|> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini
|> |> Press ENTER.
|> |>
|> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text
|> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This is
|> |> typically the third line in the file.
|> |>
|> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the
|> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The line
|> |> should list the following:
|> |> Shell=Explorer.exe
|> |>
|> |> (21) To save the changes...
|> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.
|> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.
|> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command
|> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)
|> |>
|> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the
|> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys
|> |>
|> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be
|> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When
|> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an
|> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You
|> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform
|> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet
|> |> Explorer again.
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191
|> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You
|> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an
|> |> earlier IE, IF that option is present.
|> |>
|> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174
|> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I have
|> |> a detailed write-up for it, if you want.
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> | --
|> |> | partymarty4870
|> |>
|>
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|> |> |
|> |> | http://forums.techarena.in
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Most of the things you'd be looking for have filenames that conform to 8.3
naming standards. And if you stare long enough (or know a bit about the
structure of a typical Windows 98 installation), you can usually figure out
what a folder's name is to enough of a degree to know if it's what you're
looking for. Exploring the contents of a folder, of course, would help even
more.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ej4wCqpzIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> | "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command"
> | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806
> |
> | In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s).
>
> Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted here
> before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control appwiz.cpl.
> It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a Master Post!
>
> | Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an uninstaller
> | in the program's folder.
>
> That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style names.
> However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have once/twice
> posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile Run box. I guess
> it could be worth a try even in this particular case where OP's machine
> won't boot directly to Explorer.
>
> | If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to
> | run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or even
> | install it again to see if it works this time... Except, I'm betting
> | that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the Optus
> | instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and 98SE. But
> | the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE as minimum.
> | Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on a 98 Gold machine,
> | but it stalled when it couldn't find the device. The interface was
> | identical to that shown on Optus. Anyway, all the places I saw it
> | discussed in forums that might relate to a Win98FE situation suggest
> | that it doesn't work very well, if at all.
>
> Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did
> actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is that
> like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine-- BUT that was
> in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly-- once he clicked the
> right program to install! He tried 3 times clicking something else
> first!
>
> | If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To know
> | much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual software
> | Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens
>
> It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a WinFile Run
> box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS names!
>
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | http://grystmill.com
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> |> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and a
> |> | repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to
> |> | Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was installing
> |> | when the machine crashed might help the most. THEN, if there are
> |> | still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the reinstall unless
> |> | absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause a bit of DLL Hell and
> |> | definitely requires that a few patches be reinstalled at WU.
> |>
> |> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can boot to
> |> WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how to get to the
> |> Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.
> |>
> |> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he shows
> |> | up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under such a
> |> | deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when whatever it
> |> | is he needed the laptop for is done, he still needs to fix that
> |> | borrowed computer.
> |>
> |> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character &
> |> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this NG
> |> for less!
> |>
> |> | --
> |> | Gary S. Terhune
> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> |> | http://grystmill.com
> |> |
> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> |> |> partymarty4870 wrote:
> |> |> | thanks guys/girls
> |> |> |
> |> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately
> |> |> | any solution has to be in DOS.
> |> |> |
> |> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when
> |> |> | this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a
> |> |> | modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that
> |> |> | can run on 98.
> |> |> |
> |> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched
> |> |> | 98, this is so frustrating!!
> |> |>
> |> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so, then
> |> |> do as the others said to get your modem un/re-installed.
> |> |>
> |> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as well
> |> |> try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site, which is a
> |> |> temporary reversion to an earlier version of IE...
> |> |>
> |> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile,
> |> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that file's
> |> |> LFN (Long File Name) in the destination.
> |> |>
> |> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.
> |> |>
> |> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the computer.
> |> |> Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin pressing the
> |> |> F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete this step
> |> |> successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is displayed. If
> |> |> no menu is displayed and Windows starts up normally, repeat this
> |> |> step.
> |> |>
> |> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to
> |> |> select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key.
> |> |>
> |> |> (4) At the command prompt, type:
> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini
> |> |> Press ENTER.
> |> |>
> |> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text
> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This is
> |> |> typically the third line in the file.
> |> |>
> |> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the
> |> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The line
> |> |> should list the following:
> |> |> Shell=Winfile.exe
> |> |>
> |> |> (7) To save the changes...
> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.
> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.
> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command
> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)
> |> |>
> |> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the
> |> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts into
> |> |> the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).
> |> |>
> |> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the
> |> |> left hand window to open the Program Files folder.
> |> |>
> |> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open the
> |> |> Internet Explorer folder.
> |> |>
> |> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the
> |> |> Setup folder.
> |> |>
> |> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in the
> |> |> right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.
> |> |>
> |> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer has
> |> |> not been updated and a previous version of Internet Explorer
> |> |> cannot be restored. You cannot use this method. Close "Winfile",
> |> |> shut down, & post back, or try the URL at the very bottom of this
> |> |> post, which is an over-install of IE.
> |> |>
> |> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup window,
> |> |> click OK.
> |> |>
> |> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the
> |> |> previous version of Internet Explorer.
> |> |>
> |> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.
> |> |>
> |> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart
> |> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows.
> |> |>
> |> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup Menu,
> |> |> or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you
> |> |> complete this
> |> |>
> |> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is
> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up
> |> |> normally, repeat this step.
> |> |>
> |> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to
> |> |> select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.
> |> |>
> |> |> (18) At the command prompt, type:
> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini
> |> |> Press ENTER.
> |> |>
> |> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text
> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This is
> |> |> typically the third line in the file.
> |> |>
> |> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the
> |> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The line
> |> |> should list the following:
> |> |> Shell=Explorer.exe
> |> |>
> |> |> (21) To save the changes...
> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.
> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.
> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command
> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)
> |> |>
> |> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the
> |> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys
> |> |>
> |> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be
> |> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When
> |> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an
> |> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You
> |> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform
> |> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet
> |> |> Explorer again.
> |> |>
> |> |>
> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191
> |> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You
> |> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an
> |> |> earlier IE, IF that option is present.
> |> |>
> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174
> |> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I have
> |> |> a detailed write-up for it, if you want.
> |> |>
> |> |>
> |> |> | --
> |> |> | partymarty4870
> |> |>
> |>
> | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> |> |> | -- partymarty4870's Profile:
> |> |> | http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=51471 View this
> |> |> | thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=985039
> |> |> |
> |> |> | http://forums.techarena.in
> |> |>
> |> |> --
> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> |> PCR
> |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

 

[PCR]

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| Most of the things you'd be looking for have filenames that conform
| to 8.3 naming standards. And if you stare long enough (or know a bit
| about the structure of a typical Windows 98 installation), you can
| usually figure out what a folder's name is to enough of a degree to
| know if it's what you're looking for. Exploring the contents of a
| folder, of course, would help even more.

Maybe. Still, it would be tough to talk one through it. I guess the
suggestion could be made that OP try to do it on his own or to go look &
report back. I certainly wouldn't know the folder/file names in this
particular case. And certainly the use of WinFile's File>Run for the
Control Panel should be mentioned. Thanks for reminding me about that--
in case you fall into another earthquake too deep for your poodles to
reach or are murdered by MEB!

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| http://grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ej4wCqpzIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> | "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command"
|> | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806
|> |
|> | In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s).
|>
|> Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted
|> here before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control
|> appwiz.cpl. It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a
|> Master Post!
|>
|> | Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an uninstaller
|> | in the program's folder.
|>
|> That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style
|> names. However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have
|> once/twice posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile
|> Run box. I guess it could be worth a try even in this particular
|> case where OP's machine won't boot directly to Explorer.
|>
|> | If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to
|> | run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or even
|> | install it again to see if it works this time... Except, I'm
|> | betting that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the Optus
|> | instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and 98SE. But
|> | the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE as minimum.
|> | Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on a 98 Gold
|> | machine, but it stalled when it couldn't find the device. The
|> | interface was identical to that shown on Optus. Anyway, all the
|> | places I saw it discussed in forums that might relate to a Win98FE
|> | situation suggest that it doesn't work very well, if at all.
|>
|> Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did
|> actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is that
|> like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine-- BUT that
|> was in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly-- once he
|> clicked the right program to install! He tried 3 times clicking
|> something else first!
|>
|> | If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To know
|> | much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual software
|> | Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens
|>
|> It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a WinFile
|> Run box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS names!
|>
|> | --
|> | Gary S. Terhune
|> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | http://grystmill.com
|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and
|> |> | a repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to
|> |> | Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was installing
|> |> | when the machine crashed might help the most. THEN, if there are
|> |> | still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the reinstall unless
|> |> | absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause a bit of DLL Hell
|> |> | and definitely requires that a few patches be reinstalled at WU.
|> |>
|> |> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can boot
|> |> to WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how to get
|> |> to the Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.
|> |>
|> |> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he
|> |> | shows up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under
|> |> | such a deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when
|> |> | whatever it is he needed the laptop for is done, he still needs
|> |> | to fix that borrowed computer.
|> |>
|> |> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character &
|> |> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this
|> |> NG for less!
|> |>
|> |> | --
|> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> | http://grystmill.com
|> |> |
|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> partymarty4870 wrote:
|> |> |> | thanks guys/girls
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So
|> |> |> | unfortunately any solution has to be in DOS.
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins
|> |> |> | when this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200,
|> |> |> | just a modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state on
|> |> |> | disc that can run on 98.
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or
|> |> |> | touched 98, this is so frustrating!!
|> |> |>
|> |> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so,
|> |> |> then do as the others said to get your modem un/re-installed.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as
|> |> |> well try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site,
|> |> |> which is a temporary reversion to an earlier version of IE...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile,
|> |> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that file's
|> |> |> LFN (Long File Name) in the destination.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the
|> |> |> computer. Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin
|> |> |> pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete
|> |> |> this step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is
|> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up
|> |> |> normally, repeat this step.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys
|> |> |> to select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (4) At the command prompt, type:
|> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini
|> |> |> Press ENTER.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text
|> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This
|> |> |> is typically the third line in the file.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the
|> |> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The
|> |> |> line should list the following:
|> |> |> Shell=Winfile.exe
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (7) To save the changes...
|> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.
|> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.
|> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command
|> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the
|> |> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts
|> |> |> into the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the
|> |> |> left hand window to open the Program Files folder.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open
|> |> |> the Internet Explorer folder.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the
|> |> |> Setup folder.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in
|> |> |> the right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer
|> |> |> has not been updated and a previous version of Internet
|> |> |> Explorer cannot be restored. You cannot use this method. Close
|> |> |> "Winfile", shut down, & post back, or try the URL at the very
|> |> |> bottom of this post, which is an over-install of IE.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup
|> |> |> window, click OK.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the
|> |> |> previous version of Internet Explorer.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart
|> |> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup
|> |> |> Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If
|> |> |> you complete this
|> |> |>
|> |> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is
|> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up
|> |> |> normally, repeat this step.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys
|> |> |> to select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (18) At the command prompt, type:
|> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini
|> |> |> Press ENTER.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text
|> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This
|> |> |> is typically the third line in the file.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the
|> |> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The
|> |> |> line should list the following:
|> |> |> Shell=Explorer.exe
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (21) To save the changes...
|> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.
|> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.
|> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command
|> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing
|> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be
|> |> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When
|> |> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an
|> |> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You
|> |> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform
|> |> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet
|> |> |> Explorer again.
|> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191
|> |> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You
|> |> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an
|> |> |> earlier IE, IF that option is present.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174
|> |> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I
|> |> |> have a detailed write-up for it, if you want.
|> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | --
|> |> |> | partymarty4870
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
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|> |> |> | thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=985039
|> |> |> |
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|> |> |>

....snip
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Simple solution: In Run
DIR C:\PROGRA~1 /s > c:\progdir.txt

I dunno, maybe add another switch or two to the command.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:e3hSFDqzIHA.2408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> | Most of the things you'd be looking for have filenames that conform
> | to 8.3 naming standards. And if you stare long enough (or know a bit
> | about the structure of a typical Windows 98 installation), you can
> | usually figure out what a folder's name is to enough of a degree to
> | know if it's what you're looking for. Exploring the contents of a
> | folder, of course, would help even more.
>
> Maybe. Still, it would be tough to talk one through it. I guess the
> suggestion could be made that OP try to do it on his own or to go look &
> report back. I certainly wouldn't know the folder/file names in this
> particular case. And certainly the use of WinFile's File>Run for the
> Control Panel should be mentioned. Thanks for reminding me about that--
> in case you fall into another earthquake too deep for your poodles to
> reach or are murdered by MEB!
>
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | http://grystmill.com
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:ej4wCqpzIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> |> | "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command"
> |> | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806
> |> |
> |> | In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s).
> |>
> |> Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted
> |> here before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control
> |> appwiz.cpl. It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a
> |> Master Post!
> |>
> |> | Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an uninstaller
> |> | in the program's folder.
> |>
> |> That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style
> |> names. However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have
> |> once/twice posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile
> |> Run box. I guess it could be worth a try even in this particular
> |> case where OP's machine won't boot directly to Explorer.
> |>
> |> | If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to
> |> | run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or even
> |> | install it again to see if it works this time... Except, I'm
> |> | betting that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the Optus
> |> | instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and 98SE. But
> |> | the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE as minimum.
> |> | Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on a 98 Gold
> |> | machine, but it stalled when it couldn't find the device. The
> |> | interface was identical to that shown on Optus. Anyway, all the
> |> | places I saw it discussed in forums that might relate to a Win98FE
> |> | situation suggest that it doesn't work very well, if at all.
> |>
> |> Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did
> |> actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is that
> |> like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine-- BUT that
> |> was in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly-- once he
> |> clicked the right program to install! He tried 3 times clicking
> |> something else first!
> |>
> |> | If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To know
> |> | much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual software
> |> | Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens
> |>
> |> It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a WinFile
> |> Run box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS names!
> |>
> |> | --
> |> | Gary S. Terhune
> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> |> | http://grystmill.com
> |> |
> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> | news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> |> |> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and
> |> |> | a repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to
> |> |> | Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was installing
> |> |> | when the machine crashed might help the most. THEN, if there are
> |> |> | still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the reinstall unless
> |> |> | absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause a bit of DLL Hell
> |> |> | and definitely requires that a few patches be reinstalled at WU.
> |> |>
> |> |> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can boot
> |> |> to WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how to get
> |> |> to the Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.
> |> |>
> |> |> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he
> |> |> | shows up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under
> |> |> | such a deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when
> |> |> | whatever it is he needed the laptop for is done, he still needs
> |> |> | to fix that borrowed computer.
> |> |>
> |> |> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character &
> |> |> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this
> |> |> NG for less!
> |> |>
> |> |> | --
> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> |> |> | http://grystmill.com
> |> |> |
> |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> |> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> |> |> |> partymarty4870 wrote:
> |> |> |> | thanks guys/girls
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So
> |> |> |> | unfortunately any solution has to be in DOS.
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins
> |> |> |> | when this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200,
> |> |> |> | just a modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state on
> |> |> |> | disc that can run on 98.
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or
> |> |> |> | touched 98, this is so frustrating!!
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so,
> |> |> |> then do as the others said to get your modem un/re-installed.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as
> |> |> |> well try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site,
> |> |> |> which is a temporary reversion to an earlier version of IE...
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile,
> |> |> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that file's
> |> |> |> LFN (Long File Name) in the destination.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the
> |> |> |> computer. Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin
> |> |> |> pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete
> |> |> |> this step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is
> |> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up
> |> |> |> normally, repeat this step.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys
> |> |> |> to select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (4) At the command prompt, type:
> |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini
> |> |> |> Press ENTER.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text
> |> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This
> |> |> |> is typically the third line in the file.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the
> |> |> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The
> |> |> |> line should list the following:
> |> |> |> Shell=Winfile.exe
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (7) To save the changes...
> |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.
> |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.
> |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command
> |> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the
> |> |> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts
> |> |> |> into the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the
> |> |> |> left hand window to open the Program Files folder.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open
> |> |> |> the Internet Explorer folder.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the
> |> |> |> Setup folder.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in
> |> |> |> the right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer
> |> |> |> has not been updated and a previous version of Internet
> |> |> |> Explorer cannot be restored. You cannot use this method. Close
> |> |> |> "Winfile", shut down, & post back, or try the URL at the very
> |> |> |> bottom of this post, which is an over-install of IE.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup
> |> |> |> window, click OK.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the
> |> |> |> previous version of Internet Explorer.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart
> |> |> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup
> |> |> |> Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If
> |> |> |> you complete this
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is
> |> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up
> |> |> |> normally, repeat this step.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys
> |> |> |> to select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (18) At the command prompt, type:
> |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini
> |> |> |> Press ENTER.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text
> |> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This
> |> |> |> is typically the third line in the file.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the
> |> |> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The
> |> |> |> line should list the following:
> |> |> |> Shell=Explorer.exe
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (21) To save the changes...
> |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.
> |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.
> |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command
> |> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing
> |> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be
> |> |> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When
> |> |> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an
> |> |> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You
> |> |> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform
> |> |> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet
> |> |> |> Explorer again.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191
> |> |> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You
> |> |> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an
> |> |> |> earlier IE, IF that option is present.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174
> |> |> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I
> |> |> |> have a detailed write-up for it, if you want.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> | --
> |> |> |> | partymarty4870
> |> |> |>
> |> |>
> |>
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>
> ...snip
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> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

 

[PCR]

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| Simple solution: In Run
| DIR C:\PROGRA~1 /s > c:\progdir.txt
|
| I dunno, maybe add another switch or two to the command.

He'd have to go to A:\-- in order to get it to the machine that still
works to post it. Also, using /a will list hidden & system files too, if
any...

DIR C:\PROGRA~1 /s /a > A:\ProgDir.txt

OK, thanks. But let's hope it doesn't come to this!

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| http://grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:e3hSFDqzIHA.2408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> | Most of the things you'd be looking for have filenames that conform
|> | to 8.3 naming standards. And if you stare long enough (or know a
|> | bit about the structure of a typical Windows 98 installation), you
|> | can usually figure out what a folder's name is to enough of a
|> | degree to know if it's what you're looking for. Exploring the
|> | contents of a folder, of course, would help even more.
|>
|> Maybe. Still, it would be tough to talk one through it. I guess the
|> suggestion could be made that OP try to do it on his own or to go
|> look & report back. I certainly wouldn't know the folder/file names
|> in this particular case. And certainly the use of WinFile's File>Run
|> for the Control Panel should be mentioned. Thanks for reminding me
|> about that-- in case you fall into another earthquake too deep for
|> your poodles to reach or are murdered by MEB!
|>
|> | --
|> | Gary S. Terhune
|> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | http://grystmill.com
|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:ej4wCqpzIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> | "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command"
|> |> | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806
|> |> |
|> |> | In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s).
|> |>
|> |> Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted
|> |> here before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control
|> |> appwiz.cpl. It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a
|> |> Master Post!
|> |>
|> |> | Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an
|> |> | uninstaller in the program's folder.
|> |>
|> |> That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style
|> |> names. However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have
|> |> once/twice posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile
|> |> Run box. I guess it could be worth a try even in this particular
|> |> case where OP's machine won't boot directly to Explorer.
|> |>
|> |> | If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to
|> |> | run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or
|> |> | even install it again to see if it works this time... Except,
|> |> | I'm betting that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the
|> |> | Optus instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and
|> |> | 98SE. But the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE
|> |> | as minimum. Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on
|> |> | a 98 Gold machine, but it stalled when it couldn't find the
|> |> | device. The interface was identical to that shown on Optus.
|> |> | Anyway, all the places I saw it discussed in forums that might
|> |> | relate to a Win98FE situation suggest that it doesn't work very
|> |> | well, if at all.
|> |>
|> |> Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did
|> |> actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is
|> |> that like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine--
|> |> BUT that was in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly--
|> |> once he clicked the right program to install! He tried 3 times
|> |> clicking something else first!
|> |>
|> |> | If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To
|> |> | know much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual
|> |> | software Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens
|> |>
|> |> It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a
|> |> WinFile Run box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS
|> |> names!
|> |>
|> |> | --
|> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> | http://grystmill.com
|> |> |
|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> | news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> |> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up,
|> |> |> | and a repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet
|> |> |> | going to Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was
|> |> |> | installing when the machine crashed might help the most.
|> |> |> | THEN, if there are still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the
|> |> |> | reinstall unless absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause
|> |> |> | a bit of DLL Hell and definitely requires that a few patches
|> |> |> | be reinstalled at WU.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can
|> |> |> boot to WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how
|> |> |> to get to the Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he
|> |> |> | shows up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under
|> |> |> | such a deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when
|> |> |> | whatever it is he needed the laptop for is done, he still
|> |> |> | needs to fix that borrowed computer.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory
|> |> |> character & gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have
|> |> |> disappeared from this NG for less!
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | --
|> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> |> | http://grystmill.com
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> |> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> |> partymarty4870 wrote:
|> |> |> |> | thanks guys/girls
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So
|> |> |> |> | unfortunately any solution has to be in DOS.
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins
|> |> |> |> | when this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200,
|> |> |> |> | just a modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state
|> |> |> |> | on disc that can run on 98.
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or
|> |> |> |> | touched 98, this is so frustrating!!
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so,
|> |> |> |> then do as the others said to get your modem
|> |> |> |> un/re-installed.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may
|> |> |> |> as well try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB
|> |> |> |> site, which is a temporary reversion to an earlier version
|> |> |> |> of IE...
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile,
|> |> |> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that
|> |> |> |> file's LFN (Long File Name) in the destination.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the
|> |> |> |> computer. Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or
|> |> |> |> begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you
|> |> |> |> complete this step successfully, the Microsoft Windows
|> |> |> |> Startup Menu is displayed. If no menu is displayed and
|> |> |> |> Windows starts up normally, repeat this step.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW
|> |> |> |> keys to select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the
|> |> |> |> ENTER key.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (4) At the command prompt, type:
|> |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini
|> |> |> |> Press ENTER.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of
|> |> |> |> text under the [boot] section that lists
|> |> |> |> "Shell=Explorer.exe". This is typically the third line in
|> |> |> |> the file.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the
|> |> |> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The
|> |> |> |> line should list the following:
|> |> |> |> Shell=Winfile.exe
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (7) To save the changes...
|> |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.
|> |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.
|> |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the
|> |> |> |> command prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the
|> |> |> |> requestor.)
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing
|> |> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it
|> |> |> |> starts into the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in
|> |> |> |> the left hand window to open the Program Files folder.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open
|> |> |> |> the Internet Explorer folder.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open
|> |> |> |> the Setup folder.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in
|> |> |> |> the right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet
|> |> |> |> Explorer has not been updated and a previous version of
|> |> |> |> Internet Explorer cannot be restored. You cannot use this
|> |> |> |> method. Close "Winfile", shut down, & post back, or try the
|> |> |> |> URL at the very bottom of this post, which is an
|> |> |> |> over-install of IE.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup
|> |> |> |> window, click OK.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore
|> |> |> |> the previous version of Internet Explorer.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart
|> |> |> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup
|> |> |> |> Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals.
|> |> |> |> If you complete this
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is
|> |> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up
|> |> |> |> normally, repeat this step.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW
|> |> |> |> keys to select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (18) At the command prompt, type:
|> |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini
|> |> |> |> Press ENTER.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of
|> |> |> |> text under the [boot] section that lists
|> |> |> |> "Shell=Winfile.exe". This is typically the third line in
|> |> |> |> the file.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the
|> |> |> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The
|> |> |> |> line should list the following:
|> |> |> |> Shell=Explorer.exe
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (21) To save the changes...
|> |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.
|> |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.
|> |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the
|> |> |> |> command prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the
|> |> |> |> requestor.)
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing
|> |> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be
|> |> |> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When
|> |> |> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an
|> |> |> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You
|> |> |> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform
|> |> |> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet
|> |> |> |> Explorer again.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191
|> |> |> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You
|> |> |> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion
|> |> |> |> to an earlier IE, IF that option is present.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174
|> |> |> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I
|> |> |> |> have a detailed write-up for it, if you want.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> | --
|> |> |> |> | partymarty4870
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |>
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|>
|> ...snip
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net