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Peter in New Zealand

>
> If you put the USB stick into your XP system it will let you see the actual
> manufacturer tag for the unit. I've found that is a handy way to get to the
> right SE driver.

Good thought - thanks. I'll do that when I get a moment.

--
Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.
 
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glee

That's exactly what I wrote, Bill, if you read my entire reply.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks Glen. At least you found and posted the Generic USB Mass Storage link.
> But I'd suggest sticking with version 2.x, regardless, as it's less hassle (if you
> read the fine print).
>
> glee wrote:
>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
>> news:1213520568.470349@ftpsrv1...
>>> I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful
>>> comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I did
>>> that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That didn't give
>>> me USB but finally locating the drivers on the manufacturer's website did the
>>> trick on about the third try. Now I just hope it keeps working (grin). I
>>> wish some of these flash drive manufacturers would be a bit clearer about
>>> the make and model on the drive itself. The one I got success with is a
>>> Lexar. I have one other with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget about
>>> that one. Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the look
>>> of it,
>>> although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you for the
>>> pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My desktop is
>>> running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on broadband. This little
>>> laptop is on dialup until I can get a network PC card for it. It's kind of a
>>> retro experience for me, and I have to say that at this time the little
>>> machine is doing everything I want it to, and doing it, on the whole, pretty
>>> well. I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know 98 all
>>> over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.
>>
>> If you decide you want to use more than just the Lexar flash drive (such as
>> the generic drive you currently can't use), install the so-called Native USB
>> Mass Storage Driver:
>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php
>>
>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/win98se-usb-mass-storage-drivers.php
>>
>> I suggest the version 2.x drivers for your older system with no USB 2.0
>> support: http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/drivers/nusb24e.exe
>>
>> To install the version 2.x drivers:
>> Download the exe file to the desktop
>> Remove ALL drivers for USB flash drives in Device Manager
>> Remove ALL unknown devices from Device Manager
>> Run the exe file you downloaded, and follow the instructions, rebooting after
>> installation

--
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http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
 
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Bill in Co.

No, what I was getting at was I'd stick with ver 2.x for ANY system
whatsover. IOW, why even bother with the hassles of the 3.x versions for
ANY system?

glee wrote:
> That's exactly what I wrote, Bill, if you read my entire reply.
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:ucNCXdzzIHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks Glen. At least you found and posted the Generic USB Mass Storage
>> link. But I'd suggest sticking with version 2.x, regardless, as it's less
>> hassle (if you read the fine print).
>>
>> glee wrote:
>>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
>>> news:1213520568.470349@ftpsrv1...
>>>> I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful
>>>> comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I
>>>> did
>>>> that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That didn't
>>>> give
>>>> me USB but finally locating the drivers on the manufacturer's website
>>>> did
>>>> the trick on about the third try. Now I just hope it keeps working
>>>> (grin).
>>>> I wish some of these flash drive manufacturers would be a bit clearer
>>>> about
>>>> the make and model on the drive itself. The one I got success with is a
>>>> Lexar. I have one other with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget
>>>> about
>>>> that one. Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like
>>>> the
>>>> look of it,
>>>> although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you for the
>>>> pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My desktop is
>>>> running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on broadband. This
>>>> little
>>>> laptop is on dialup until I can get a network PC card for it. It's kind
>>>> of
>>>> a retro experience for me, and I have to say that at this time the
>>>> little
>>>> machine is doing everything I want it to, and doing it, on the whole,
>>>> pretty well. I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting
>>>> to
>>>> know 98 all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful
>>>> responses.
>>>
>>> If you decide you want to use more than just the Lexar flash drive (such
>>> as
>>> the generic drive you currently can't use), install the so-called Native
>>> USB
>>> Mass Storage Driver:
>>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php
>>>
>>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/win98se-usb-mass-storage-drivers.php
>>>
>>> I suggest the version 2.x drivers for your older system with no USB 2.0
>>> support: http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/drivers/nusb24e.exe
>>>
>>> To install the version 2.x drivers:
>>> Download the exe file to the desktop
>>> Remove ALL drivers for USB flash drives in Device Manager
>>> Remove ALL unknown devices from Device Manager
>>> Run the exe file you downloaded, and follow the instructions, rebooting
>>> after installation
>
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
> http://dts-l.net/
> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
 
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Gary S. Terhune

I strongly recommend against it. Install IE6SP1 and then go to Windows
Updates and get what there is. You are just asking for trouble when you let
some amateur geek decide how to soup up your system.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1213567307.740205@ftpsrv1...
> PCR wrote:
>> Peter in New Zealand wrote:
>> | MEB wrote:
>> |> Hi, Peter, how about you tell us what make and model computer to
>> |> perhaps provide more informative answers.
>> |>
>> | I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful
>> | comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I
>> | did that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That
>> | didn't give me USB but finally locating the drivers on the
>> | manufacturer's website did the trick on about the third try. Now I
>> | just hope it keeps working (grin). I wish some of these flash drive
>> | manufacturers would be a bit clearer about the make and model on the
>> | drive itself. The one I got success with is a Lexar. I have one other
>> | with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget about that one.
>>
>> You are welcome. Glad to hear of your success! Usually, it is said a
>> fresh install from an MS Windows Installation CD (instead of using
>> manufacturer's restore CDs) is problematic because specialized drivers
>> may be necessary for a laptop. Glad you didn't run into it, except for
>> that USB device.
>>
>> | Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the look
>> | of it, although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you
>> | for the pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My
>> | desktop is running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on
>> | broadband. This little laptop is on dialup until I can get a network
>> | PC card for it. It's kind of a retro experience for me, and I have to
>> | say that at this time the little machine is doing everything I want
>> | it to, and doing it, on the whole, pretty well.
>>
>> Glad to hear it. Careful you don't carry that laptop too close to the
>> XP-machine: It may be swallowed BIOS & all-- & end up running in an
>> XP-virtual partition!
>>
>> | I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know 98
>> | all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.
>>
>> Glad to have a new/old Win98 user drop in!
>>
>> | --
>> | Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
>> | Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
>> | and compulsive computer fiddler.
>>
>
> Fortunately the original recovery CD came with the laptop, although it
> installs 98FE. So, after using my full license 98SE I can pick the
> appropriate drivers off the recovery CD. I recently came across an
> "unofficial" service pack for Win98. The web page address is
> http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html. Can I ask if this is worthwhile
> downloading and installing, or is it not? I realise it is unsupported by
> MS, but it would be an easy way to get some of the updates. Thanks again.
> --
> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
> compulsive computer fiddler.
 
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MEB

As Gary suggested, Windows Update still works, and you need not install IE6
though you will be limited to only certain updates. It does take at least
IE5.1 to access, so if you were going to use the service, IE5.5 would be the
likely choice as that had the browser DLLs needed for proper file handling
within SE.
NOTE however, that many programs written after IE6 came out require IE6's
files to work properly. If you don't intend to use IE6{SP1}, then just block
its access to the network and Internet with your firewall.

The unofficial updates that you referred to were stopped at 11-2005 for the
2.1a version, and it installs some extra files and modifications you may not
want. The 3.03 version is beta.. it does install far more unofficially
modified files from MSFN members..
As with any unofficial updates, you may have problems either with the
system or applications after installing, though many don't. Do NOT try to
use these updaters in an already updated system, particularly if you have no
image to fall back on.

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http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
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"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1213567307.740205@ftpsrv1...
| PCR wrote:
| > Peter in New Zealand wrote:
| > | MEB wrote:
| > |> Hi, Peter, how about you tell us what make and model computer to
| > |> perhaps provide more informative answers.
| > |>
| > | I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful
| > | comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I
| > | did that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That
| > | didn't give me USB but finally locating the drivers on the
| > | manufacturer's website did the trick on about the third try. Now I
| > | just hope it keeps working (grin). I wish some of these flash drive
| > | manufacturers would be a bit clearer about the make and model on the
| > | drive itself. The one I got success with is a Lexar. I have one other
| > | with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget about that one.
| >
| > You are welcome. Glad to hear of your success! Usually, it is said a
| > fresh install from an MS Windows Installation CD (instead of using
| > manufacturer's restore CDs) is problematic because specialized drivers
| > may be necessary for a laptop. Glad you didn't run into it, except for
| > that USB device.
| >
| > | Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the look
| > | of it, although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you
| > | for the pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My
| > | desktop is running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on
| > | broadband. This little laptop is on dialup until I can get a network
| > | PC card for it. It's kind of a retro experience for me, and I have to
| > | say that at this time the little machine is doing everything I want
| > | it to, and doing it, on the whole, pretty well.
| >
| > Glad to hear it. Careful you don't carry that laptop too close to the
| > XP-machine: It may be swallowed BIOS & all-- & end up running in an
| > XP-virtual partition!
| >
| > | I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know 98
| > | all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.
| >
| > Glad to have a new/old Win98 user drop in!
| >
| > | --
| > | Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
| > | Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
| > | and compulsive computer fiddler.
| >
|
| Fortunately the original recovery CD came with the laptop, although it
| installs 98FE. So, after using my full license 98SE I can pick the
| appropriate drivers off the recovery CD. I recently came across an
| "unofficial" service pack for Win98. The web page address is
| http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html. Can I ask if this is worthwhile
| downloading and installing, or is it not? I realise it is unsupported by
| MS, but it would be an easy way to get some of the updates. Thanks again.
| --
| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
| compulsive computer fiddler.
 
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PCR

Peter in New Zealand wrote:
| PCR wrote:
|> Peter in New Zealand wrote:
|> | MEB wrote:
|> |> Hi, Peter, how about you tell us what make and model computer to
|> |> perhaps provide more informative answers.
|> |>
|> | I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such
|> | helpful comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle.
|> | But before I did that I decided to take the plunge and clean
|> | install 98SE. That didn't give me USB but finally locating the
|> | drivers on the manufacturer's website did the trick on about the
|> | third try. Now I just hope it keeps working (grin). I wish some of
|> | these flash drive manufacturers would be a bit clearer about the
|> | make and model on the drive itself. The one I got success with is
|> | a Lexar. I have one other with no id on it at all, so I'll just
|> | forget about that one.
|>
|> You are welcome. Glad to hear of your success! Usually, it is said a
|> fresh install from an MS Windows Installation CD (instead of using
|> manufacturer's restore CDs) is problematic because specialized
|> drivers may be necessary for a laptop. Glad you didn't run into it,
|> except for that USB device.
|>
|> | Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the
|> | look of it, although it certainly lets you know when it updates.
|> | Thank you for the pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated
|> | earlobes. My desktop is running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box
|> | and is on broadband. This little laptop is on dialup until I can
|> | get a network PC card for it. It's kind of a retro experience for
|> | me, and I have to say that at this time the little machine is
|> | doing everything I want it to, and doing it, on the whole, pretty
|> | well.
|>
|> Glad to hear it. Careful you don't carry that laptop too close to the
|> XP-machine: It may be swallowed BIOS & all-- & end up running in an
|> XP-virtual partition!
|>
|> | I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know
|> | 98 all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful
|> | responses.
|>
|> Glad to have a new/old Win98 user drop in!
|>
|> | --
|> | Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
|> | Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee
|> | nutter, and compulsive computer fiddler.
|>
|
| Fortunately the original recovery CD came with the laptop, although it
| installs 98FE. So, after using my full license 98SE I can pick the
| appropriate drivers off the recovery CD.

You did well. My own Compaq QuickRestore CDs are unintelligible to human
eyes, but there is an option (I think) to run it for drivers only,
maybe. Very good, though!

| I recently came across an
| "unofficial" service pack for Win98. The web page address is
| http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html. Can I ask if this is worthwhile
| downloading and installing, or is it not? I realise it is unsupported
| by MS, but it would be an easy way to get some of the updates. Thanks
| again.

I agree with Terhune & MEB-- don't go there! I believe I took a file/two
from them once-- & I couldn't boot well afterwards & had to undo it in
DOS!

--
| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
| and compulsive computer fiddler.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
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Peter in New Zealand

> | I recently came across an
> | "unofficial" service pack for Win98. The web page address is
> | http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html. Can I ask if this is worthwhile
> | downloading and installing, or is it not? I realise it is unsupported
> | by MS, but it would be an easy way to get some of the updates. Thanks
> | again.
>
> I agree with Terhune & MEB-- don't go there! I believe I took a file/two
> from them once-- & I couldn't boot well afterwards & had to undo it in
> DOS!
>
> --
> | Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
> | Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
> | and compulsive computer fiddler.
>
Yes, I think your comment is a valid one. I have ordered a network PC
card for the laptop and when it arrives I'll be able to get it onto my
broadband connection. Then I'll see what patches, etc. are available
from Microsoft update. I assume that keep them available for download
even though there's no present day support. Appreciate your thoughts.

--
Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.
 
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PCR

Peter in New Zealand wrote:
|> | I recently came across an
|> | "unofficial" service pack for Win98. The web page address is
|> | http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html. Can I ask if this is
|> | worthwhile downloading and installing, or is it not? I realise it
|> | is unsupported by MS, but it would be an easy way to get some of
|> | the updates. Thanks again.
|>
|> I agree with Terhune & MEB-- don't go there! I believe I took a
|> file/two from them once-- & I couldn't boot well afterwards & had to
|> undo it in DOS!
|>
|> --
|> | Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
|> | Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee
|> | nutter, and compulsive computer fiddler.
|>
| Yes, I think your comment is a valid one. I have ordered a network PC
| card for the laptop and when it arrives I'll be able to get it onto my
| broadband connection. Then I'll see what patches, etc. are available
| from Microsoft update. I assume that keep them available for download
| even though there's no present day support. Appreciate your thoughts.

That is the best course, I think. They will be there at Windows Update.
It will detect the machine is Win98 & offer the right ones. It may not
offer the following. So get it separately afterwards...

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527
Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018
Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express (823353)

There may be some few others like that-- but I haven't fully explored my
IUHist.xml quite yet-- & I expect it will take six years to do so! That
is the file which records everything took from Windows Update.

| --
| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
| and compulsive computer fiddler.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
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Peter in New Zealand

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Peter in New Zealand wrote:
>>
>> If you put the USB stick into your XP system it will let you see the
>> actual
>> manufacturer tag for the unit. I've found that is a handy way to get
>> to the
>> right SE driver.
>
> Good thought - thanks. I'll do that when I get a moment.
>
Well, after all the great discussion and wonderful help I found here I
regret to announce I have ended up with W2K on the little laptop. It's a
little slower to get anything done than 98, but it gets it done every
time. And USB and the video and the power management and the sound and
the networking just work, straight off the W2K CD install. No need to
even pop the original drivers disk in. At the end of the day what I need
is a portable machine that will enable me to word process and
spreadsheet, and occasionally do email, for times when I am away from my
desk. With W2K it seems to do all that just fine, and everything just
works, first time and every time.

I'll stay a lurker here though, as I used 98 extensively when it was the
latest and greatest, and have a soft spot for it. But in the end the
essential quirkiness of 98 left me feel in that, while I had a machine
that ran smoothly, I could never trust that it would the next time
around. Maybe I'm just getting old and crabby about it, but I think 2000
and XP have spoiled me for the W9x line. When it slows down or locks up
on me I no longer thing, "Oh goody - another fun time untangling it!"
What I find myself thinking is a whole lot of highly technical words,
none of which are anything like memory, or CPU, or floppy, and so on. I
am sure you know what I mean. Thanks for the great discussion and
support and encouragement.

--
Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.
 
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MEB

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Good luck, and when you get tired of that NT slowness and bloat, try a
Linux distro..

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"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:uDwmYQQ2IHA.5176@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| Peter in New Zealand wrote:
| >>
| >> If you put the USB stick into your XP system it will let you see the
| >> actual
| >> manufacturer tag for the unit. I've found that is a handy way to get
| >> to the
| >> right SE driver.
| >
| > Good thought - thanks. I'll do that when I get a moment.
| >
| Well, after all the great discussion and wonderful help I found here I
| regret to announce I have ended up with W2K on the little laptop. It's a
| little slower to get anything done than 98, but it gets it done every
| time. And USB and the video and the power management and the sound and
| the networking just work, straight off the W2K CD install. No need to
| even pop the original drivers disk in. At the end of the day what I need
| is a portable machine that will enable me to word process and
| spreadsheet, and occasionally do email, for times when I am away from my
| desk. With W2K it seems to do all that just fine, and everything just
| works, first time and every time.
|
| I'll stay a lurker here though, as I used 98 extensively when it was the
| latest and greatest, and have a soft spot for it. But in the end the
| essential quirkiness of 98 left me feel in that, while I had a machine
| that ran smoothly, I could never trust that it would the next time
| around. Maybe I'm just getting old and crabby about it, but I think 2000
| and XP have spoiled me for the W9x line. When it slows down or locks up
| on me I no longer thing, "Oh goody - another fun time untangling it!"
| What I find myself thinking is a whole lot of highly technical words,
| none of which are anything like memory, or CPU, or floppy, and so on. I
| am sure you know what I mean. Thanks for the great discussion and
| support and encouragement.
|
| --
| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
| compulsive computer fiddler.
 
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PCR

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Peter in New Zealand wrote:
| Peter in New Zealand wrote:
|>>
|>> If you put the USB stick into your XP system it will let you see the
|>> actual
|>> manufacturer tag for the unit. I've found that is a handy way to
|>> get to the
|>> right SE driver.
|>
|> Good thought - thanks. I'll do that when I get a moment.
|>
| Well, after all the great discussion and wonderful help I found here I
| regret to announce I have ended up with W2K on the little laptop.
| It's a little slower to get anything done than 98, but it gets it
| done every time. And USB and the video and the power management and
| the sound and the networking just work, straight off the W2K CD
| install. No need to even pop the original drivers disk in. At the end
| of the day what I need is a portable machine that will enable me to
| word process and spreadsheet, and occasionally do email, for times
| when I am away from my desk. With W2K it seems to do all that just
| fine, and everything just works, first time and every time.
|
| I'll stay a lurker here though, as I used 98 extensively when it was
| the latest and greatest, and have a soft spot for it. But in the end
| the essential quirkiness of 98 left me feel in that, while I had a
| machine that ran smoothly, I could never trust that it would the next
| time around. Maybe I'm just getting old and crabby about it, but I
| think 2000 and XP have spoiled me for the W9x line. When it slows
| down or locks up on me I no longer thing, "Oh goody - another fun
| time untangling it!" What I find myself thinking is a whole lot of
| highly technical words, none of which are anything like memory, or
| CPU, or floppy, and so on. I am sure you know what I mean. Thanks for
| the great discussion and support and encouragement.

Alright. Glad you got one OS finally to be satisfactory to your
purposes. Laptops can be extra finicky with drivers. Thanks for the
update. But did the XP-machine say what the thing was?

| --
| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
| and compulsive computer fiddler.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
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Peter in New Zealand

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

> Alright. Glad you got one OS finally to be satisfactory to your
> purposes. Laptops can be extra finicky with drivers. Thanks for the
> update. But did the XP-machine say what the thing was?
>
Mmmmm. It's a Lexar flash drive. I ferritted all over the Lexar site,
and actually found when they claim is a driver for their flash drives on
Windows 98. With great delight I downloaded it and installed it, only to
find it didn't work - at least not for me. It was a good suggestion and
worth trying, but no joy I'm afraid. even on second edition. Sigh.

--
Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.
 
P

PCR

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Peter in New Zealand wrote:
|> Alright. Glad you got one OS finally to be satisfactory to your
|> purposes. Laptops can be extra finicky with drivers. Thanks for the
|> update. But did the XP-machine say what the thing was?
|>
| Mmmmm. It's a Lexar flash drive. I ferritted all over the Lexar site,
| and actually found when they claim is a driver for their flash drives
| on Windows 98. With great delight I downloaded it and installed it,
| only to find it didn't work - at least not for me. It was a good
| suggestion and worth trying, but no joy I'm afraid. even on second
| edition. Sigh.

Alright, that's a nice trick for WinXP to be able to do (if it has done
it, you didn't precisely say). Too bad about that disappointment with
the Win98 driver. The Lexar flash drive you said did work for a short
while in Win98-- but then failed. Now, you have gone to Win2K where the
Lexar flash drive works fine without fussing with drivers. Alright,
then. No sense for any more Googling on it. Sorry to see you go as a
user, but glad you will still lurk around.

| --
| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
| and compulsive computer fiddler.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
M

MEB

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

In news:OGwntPj2IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl at ,
PCR contemplated and posted:
| Peter in New Zealand wrote:
||> Alright. Glad you got one OS finally to be satisfactory to your
||> purposes. Laptops can be extra finicky with drivers. Thanks for the
||> update. But did the XP-machine say what the thing was?
||>
|| Mmmmm. It's a Lexar flash drive. I ferritted all over the Lexar site,
|| and actually found when they claim is a driver for their flash drives
|| on Windows 98. With great delight I downloaded it and installed it,
|| only to find it didn't work - at least not for me. It was a good
|| suggestion and worth trying, but no joy I'm afraid. even on second
|| edition. Sigh.
|
| Alright, that's a nice trick for WinXP to be able to do (if it has
| done it, you didn't precisely say). Too bad about that disappointment
| with the Win98 driver. The Lexar flash drive you said did work for a
| short while in Win98-- but then failed. Now, you have gone to Win2K
| where the Lexar flash drive works fine without fussing with drivers.
| Alright, then. No sense for any more Googling on it. Sorry to see you
| go as a user, but glad you will still lurk around.
|
|| --
|| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
|| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
|| and compulsive computer fiddler.

It is too bad, Peter likely could have used one of the universal drivers
for 98...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________
 
P

PCR

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

MEB wrote:
| In news:OGwntPj2IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl at ,
| PCR contemplated and posted:
|| Peter in New Zealand wrote:
|||> Alright. Glad you got one OS finally to be satisfactory to your
|||> purposes. Laptops can be extra finicky with drivers. Thanks for the
|||> update. But did the XP-machine say what the thing was?
|||>
||| Mmmmm. It's a Lexar flash drive. I ferritted all over the Lexar
||| site, and actually found when they claim is a driver for their
||| flash drives on Windows 98. With great delight I downloaded it and
||| installed it, only to find it didn't work - at least not for me. It
||| was a good suggestion and worth trying, but no joy I'm afraid. even
||| on second edition. Sigh.
||
|| Alright, that's a nice trick for WinXP to be able to do (if it has
|| done it, you didn't precisely say). Too bad about that disappointment
|| with the Win98 driver. The Lexar flash drive you said did work for a
|| short while in Win98-- but then failed. Now, you have gone to Win2K
|| where the Lexar flash drive works fine without fussing with drivers.
|| Alright, then. No sense for any more Googling on it. Sorry to see you
|| go as a user, but glad you will still lurk around.
||
||| --
||| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
||| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
||| and compulsive computer fiddler.
|
| It is too bad, Peter likely could have used one of the universal
| drivers for 98...

He was tired of the fuss & sorely disappointed with Lexar's own hard to
find driver that promised but did not consistently work for him in
Win98. It is too bad, yea.

| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
P

Peter in New Zealand

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

> | It is too bad, Peter likely could have used one of the universal
> | drivers for 98...
>
> He was tired of the fuss & sorely disappointed with Lexar's own hard to
> find driver that promised but did not consistently work for him in
> Win98. It is too bad, yea.
>
> | --
> | MEB
> | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

I'm still here gentlemen (& ladies?), even though I'm running W2K on the
laptop now. I won't be leaving any time soon, as I still have an elderly
desktop still chugging along on Windows 98. My grandson (10) is coming to
stay for the school holidays in a few days and he always loves tinkering
around with it. It's hooked up to broadband through my router and he regards
it as his own machine when he's here. He's even used his name for it on my
network! So 98 still lives in my household (and does pretty well on the
whole), and so I'll be around here for a while yet.

--
Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.
 
M

MEB

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

In news:%23PtVv4y2IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl at ,
Peter in New Zealand contemplated and posted:
|> | It is too bad, Peter likely could have used one of the universal
|> | drivers for 98...
|>
|> He was tired of the fuss & sorely disappointed with Lexar's own hard
|> to find driver that promised but did not consistently work for him in
|> Win98. It is too bad, yea.
|>
|> | --
|> | MEB
|> | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|
| I'm still here gentlemen (& ladies?), even though I'm running W2K on
| the laptop now. I won't be leaving any time soon, as I still have an
| elderly desktop still chugging along on Windows 98. My grandson (10)
| is coming to stay for the school holidays in a few days and he always
| loves tinkering around with it. It's hooked up to broadband through
| my router and he regards it as his own machine when he's here. He's
| even used his name for it on my network! So 98 still lives in my
| household (and does pretty well on the whole), and so I'll be around
| here for a while yet.

Glad to hear it.

Just so you know what we were indicating:
There are several Universal Drivers available which might have supplied the
function(s) you needed in 98SE had you advised us of the issue. Many of the
posters in here run them with good results.
I think you were directed to them in some of the prior 98/98SE discussions.
http://www.mdgx.com/spx/NUSB.EXE - Maximus Decim Universal Drivers
http://www.msfn.org/board/Maximum-Decim-Native-USB-Drivers-t43605.html
http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php - multiple languages
http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/hs_freeware/USB Mass Storage.zip

Panasonic and Orangeware drivers are/were also available which support
multiple devices.


--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________
 
P

PCR

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Peter in New Zealand wrote:
|> | It is too bad, Peter likely could have used one of the universal
|> | drivers for 98...
|>
|> He was tired of the fuss & sorely disappointed with Lexar's own hard
|> to find driver that promised but did not consistently work for him in
|> Win98. It is too bad, yea.
|>
|> | --
|> | MEB
|> | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|
| I'm still here gentlemen (& ladies?), even though I'm running W2K on
| the laptop now. I won't be leaving any time soon, as I still have an
| elderly desktop still chugging along on Windows 98. My grandson (10)
| is coming to stay for the school holidays in a few days and he always
| loves tinkering around with it. It's hooked up to broadband through
| my router and he regards it as his own machine when he's here. He's
| even used his name for it on my network! So 98 still lives in my
| household (and does pretty well on the whole), and so I'll be around
| here for a while yet.

Very good. That Win98 machine is putting out 500 angstroms of anti-XP
radiation every ten minutes. You will survive much longer that way! If
the Win2K gives out &/or you tire of its own peccadilloes, the drivers
MEB suggests have been successful once/twice before I think.

| --
| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
| and compulsive computer fiddler.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
P

Peter in New Zealand

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

> | even used his name for it on my network! So 98 still lives in my
> | household (and does pretty well on the whole), and so I'll be around
> | here for a while yet.
>
> Very good. That Win98 machine is putting out 500 angstroms of anti-XP
> radiation every ten minutes. You will survive much longer that way! If
> the Win2K gives out &/or you tire of its own peccadilloes, the drivers
> MEB suggests have been successful once/twice before I think.
>
Ah-ha! NOW I understand why I have to keep it at the far end of the house
from my big desktop which is running (switch to conspiritorial whisper and
cringing pathetically) XP!

Re the USB thing, it was OK at first in W2K, but then abruptly stopped
working yet again, much to my disgust. What I think has happened is a
hardware failure within the port, which seems very loose and floppy (sic.)
when a drive is in it. I suspect it's had a knock at some time that has
compromised the integrity of the internal connection. (Gee, I love those big
words - I mean, it's broken it). I use good old Windows Briefcase to work
with files from my main desktop, and I can do that perfectly well using a
faithful old floppy. Also, I bought a PC card to network the laptop, and I
can hook it into my home network if I need to. So I can forget about the USB
thing and just put it all down to experience. I am sorry to have taken up
time with it, and appreciate the help I received from many of you.

--
Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.



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PCR

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Peter in New Zealand wrote:
|> | even used his name for it on my network! So 98 still lives in my
|> | household (and does pretty well on the whole), and so I'll be
|> | around here for a while yet.
|>
|> Very good. That Win98 machine is putting out 500 angstroms of anti-XP
|> radiation every ten minutes. You will survive much longer that way!
|> If the Win2K gives out &/or you tire of its own peccadilloes, the
|> drivers MEB suggests have been successful once/twice before I think.
|>
| Ah-ha! NOW I understand why I have to keep it at the far end of the
| house from my big desktop which is running (switch to conspiritorial
| whisper and cringing pathetically) XP!

All of the MVPs who moved their Win98 machines far away lost their hair
twice as quick. Only PA Bear has benefited from that & some say he
begins to look half human. But I won't issue 1000 warnings. That was the
last one!

| Re the USB thing, it was OK at first in W2K, but then abruptly stopped
| working yet again, much to my disgust. What I think has happened is a
| hardware failure within the port, which seems very loose and floppy
| (sic.) when a drive is in it. I suspect it's had a knock at some time
| that has compromised the integrity of the internal connection. (Gee,
| I love those big words - I mean, it's broken it). I use good old
| Windows Briefcase to work with files from my main desktop, and I can
| do that perfectly well using a faithful old floppy. Also, I bought a
| PC card to network the laptop, and I can hook it into my home network
| if I need to. So I can forget about the USB thing and just put it all
| down to experience. I am sorry to have taken up time with it, and
| appreciate the help I received from many of you.

Your explanation seems to make sense alright. If it works for a while in
two separate OS but finally fails-- a loose connection could indeed be
it. Before throwing it out, I would open the box & have a quick look for
a connector to reseat, dust to brush away &/or a screw to tighten. If
it's the port on the computer, though, be more careful with that. Too
bad you don't have two-- mine has three I think! Now that the flash
drive won't work no matter the OS (or does it still work on the XP
machine? the other Win98 machine?), make a final decision which to keep.
I'm pretty sure your grandson would want Win98!

| --
| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
| and compulsive computer fiddler.
|
|
|
| -- Posted on news://freenews.netfront.net - Complaints to
| news@netfront.net --

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Should things get worse after this,
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