Clear Clipboard

Bill in Co. · Jun 25, 2008

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're getting at):
>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to store it for
>> immediate access
>
> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the opposite.
> I
> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any higher priority
> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out with no
> problem.

Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the clipboard, the
clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of course. And
usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used to hold that image.

>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you can always do
>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and that will
>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard utility
>> mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to this all that often,
>> in practice, from what I've seen.

>
> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM" in a healthy
> Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>
> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've read it.)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
>
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com. Simply
>>> reading
>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message to him was a
>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the face of
>>> it,
>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>
>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>> Sol
>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into the
>>>>> clipboard
>>>>> is
>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved chunk of
>>>>> memory is?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it in my
>>>>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it still stays
>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen, and how
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> I clear it manually?
>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't matter what
>>>>>> is in
>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it wouldn't give
>>>>>> you
>>>> a
>>>>>> single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Bill in Co. · Jun 25, 2008

dadiOH wrote:
> Not a clue. In fact, I've changed my mind about there being a clipboard
> buffer (which could have been dynamic and/or virtual, BTW)...
>
> 1. I had 303 MB free.
> 2. I copied a 155 MB folder
> 3. I still had 303 MB free RAM
> 4. I copied a 1 KB file
> 5. I still had 303 MB free RAM.
>
> That - and the rapidity with which something large is copied - leads me to
> the thought that *nothing* is actually copied when copying files or
> folders...that Windows merely sets up pointers *to* the object.

And that is true for some things, like that. (But not for a pasted image,
of course)
I mean, it would be pretty stupid for the system to try to store everything
in full in the clipboard, when it doesn't have to, like for this case (of
copying files).

> That seems to be confirmed by Start-Run-clipbrd.
>
> That is sensible, IMO, for stuff that is on (integral to) the computer.
> It
> could also work for copies from the web by keeping that material in a temp
> folder as a file and pointing to it but that doesn't seem to be the case
> as
> the clipboard viewer spits out the copied material rather than a
> file/folder
> path. The same is true for data on the computer that is not a file or
> folder.
>
> Anyway, the relatively inconsequential amount of RAM consumed by something
> put on the clipboard is not something I think people need worry about nor
> that I think would degrade performance. Do you?

No. You're right about that.

> dadiOH
>
> Who is pretty sure the sun rises in the east. IME

> ________________
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into the
>> clipboard is limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved
>> chunk of memory is?
>>
>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it in my
>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it still stays
>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen, and how
>>>> can I clear it manually?
>>>> Sol
>>>
>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't matter what
>>> is in it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it
>>> wouldn't give you a single byte more of available RAM.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> dadiOH
>>> ____________________________
>>>
>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Gary S. Terhune · Jun 25, 2008

Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the Clipboard,
whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that doesn't mean it's
staying in RAM.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're getting at):
>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to store it for
>>> immediate access
>>
>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the opposite.
>> I
>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any higher priority
>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out with no
>> problem.
>
> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the clipboard, the
> clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of course. And
> usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used to hold that image.
>
>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you can always
>>> do
>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and that will
>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard utility
>>> mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to this all that often,
>>> in practice, from what I've seen.

>>
>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM" in a
>> healthy
>> Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>
>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've read it.)
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>>
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com. Simply
>>>> reading
>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message to him was
>>>> a
>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the face of
>>>> it,
>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>> Sol
>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into the
>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved chunk of
>>>>>> memory is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it in my
>>>>>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it still
>>>>>>>> stays
>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen, and how
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't matter what
>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it wouldn't give
>>>>>>> you
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
>

Bill in Co. · Jun 25, 2008

Things are either stored in RAM (which IS memory!), or on the hard drive
(virtual memory). The 512 MB of RAM on your computer (or whatever) IS
INDEED MEMORY. (I'm not counting the ROM or PROM memory here, since we
can't write into that).

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the Clipboard,
> whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that doesn't mean
> it's
> staying in RAM.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're getting at):
>>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to store it for
>>>> immediate access
>>>
>>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the
>>> opposite.
>>> I
>>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any higher
>>> priority
>>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out with no
>>> problem.
>>
>> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
>> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the clipboard,
>> the
>> clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of course. And
>> usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used to hold that image.
>>
>>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you can always
>>>> do
>>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and that
>>>> will
>>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard utility
>>>> mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to this all that
>>>> often,
>>>> in practice, from what I've seen.

>>>
>>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM" in a
>>> healthy
>>> Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>>
>>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've read it.)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>
>>>
>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com. Simply
>>>>> reading
>>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message to him was
>>>>> a
>>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the face of
>>>>> it,
>>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into the
>>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved chunk of
>>>>>>> memory is?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it in my
>>>>>>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it still
>>>>>>>>> stays
>>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen, and how
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't matter
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it wouldn't
>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Gary S. Terhune · Jun 26, 2008

Yes, you're right. This time. Go back and read your first comment in this
thread. It says nothing of memory, it only mentions RAM. They are NOT the
same thing. That is all I was pointing out. If the Clipboard contents are
occupying RAM that the system wants, they will get swapped to the hard
drive. The swap file is memory but it isn't RAM.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:O6IhJjz1IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Things are either stored in RAM (which IS memory!), or on the hard drive
> (virtual memory). The 512 MB of RAM on your computer (or whatever) IS
> INDEED MEMORY. (I'm not counting the ROM or PROM memory here, since we
> can't write into that).
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the Clipboard,
>> whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that doesn't mean
>> it's
>> staying in RAM.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're getting
>>>>> at):
>>>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to store it
>>>>> for
>>>>> immediate access
>>>>
>>>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the
>>>> opposite.
>>>> I
>>>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any higher
>>>> priority
>>>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out with no
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
>>> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the clipboard,
>>> the
>>> clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of course.
>>> And
>>> usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used to hold that image.
>>>
>>>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you can always
>>>>> do
>>>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and that
>>>>> will
>>>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard utility
>>>>> mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to this all that
>>>>> often,
>>>>> in practice, from what I've seen.

>>>>
>>>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM" in a
>>>> healthy
>>>> Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>>>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>>>
>>>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've read it.)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com. Simply
>>>>>> reading
>>>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message to him
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the face of
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into the
>>>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved chunk of
>>>>>>>> memory is?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it in my
>>>>>>>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it still
>>>>>>>>>> stays
>>>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen, and how
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't matter
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it wouldn't
>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
>

Bill in Co. · Jun 26, 2008

Gary, RAM is precisely what IS being used to hold the clipboard contents,
just as I said. And yes, RAM is MEMORY (but not all "memory" is RAM)

Now, if you're going to go into the case where the clipboard can't hold
something in RAM, and the swapfile is being used, that is a different issue,
since we were specifically addressing the *clipboard* (whose contents (like
a pasted image bmp or jpg or whatever) ARE indeed held in RAM).

The swapfile is a disk file, and it's a different animal altogether (being
known as "virtual" memory, or as permanent storage "memory").

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Yes, you're right. This time. Go back and read your first comment in this
> thread. It says nothing of memory, it only mentions RAM. They are NOT the
> same thing. That is all I was pointing out. If the Clipboard contents are
> occupying RAM that the system wants, they will get swapped to the hard
> drive. The swap file is memory but it isn't RAM.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:O6IhJjz1IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Things are either stored in RAM (which IS memory!), or on the hard drive
>> (virtual memory). The 512 MB of RAM on your computer (or whatever) IS
>> INDEED MEMORY. (I'm not counting the ROM or PROM memory here, since we
>> can't write into that).
>>
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the Clipboard,
>>> whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that doesn't mean
>>> it's
>>> staying in RAM.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're getting
>>>>>> at):
>>>>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to store it
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> immediate access
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the
>>>>> opposite.
>>>>> I
>>>>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any higher
>>>>> priority
>>>>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out with no
>>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
>>>> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the clipboard,
>>>> the
>>>> clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of course.
>>>> And
>>>> usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used to hold that image.
>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you can
>>>>>> always
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and that
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard
>>>>>> utility
>>>>>> mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to this all that
>>>>>> often,
>>>>>> in practice, from what I've seen.

>>>>>
>>>>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM" in a
>>>>> healthy
>>>>> Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>>>>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've read it.)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com. Simply
>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message to him
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the face
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into the
>>>>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved chunk of
>>>>>>>>> memory is?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it in my
>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it still
>>>>>>>>>>> stays
>>>>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen, and
>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't matter
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Gary S. Terhune · Jun 26, 2008

You're wrong. The clipboard is held in memory, which may be RAM or may be
the swap/page file(s). Saying that the Clipboard is stored in RAM is a false
statement ("not always true" equals "false".) It's a matter of terminology
and terminology is important.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ue7U8%2311IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Gary, RAM is precisely what IS being used to hold the clipboard contents,
> just as I said. And yes, RAM is MEMORY (but not all "memory" is RAM)
>
> Now, if you're going to go into the case where the clipboard can't hold
> something in RAM, and the swapfile is being used, that is a different
> issue, since we were specifically addressing the *clipboard* (whose
> contents (like a pasted image bmp or jpg or whatever) ARE indeed held in
> RAM).
>
> The swapfile is a disk file, and it's a different animal altogether (being
> known as "virtual" memory, or as permanent storage "memory").
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> Yes, you're right. This time. Go back and read your first comment in this
>> thread. It says nothing of memory, it only mentions RAM. They are NOT the
>> same thing. That is all I was pointing out. If the Clipboard contents are
>> occupying RAM that the system wants, they will get swapped to the hard
>> drive. The swap file is memory but it isn't RAM.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:O6IhJjz1IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Things are either stored in RAM (which IS memory!), or on the hard drive
>>> (virtual memory). The 512 MB of RAM on your computer (or whatever) IS
>>> INDEED MEMORY. (I'm not counting the ROM or PROM memory here, since we
>>> can't write into that).
>>>
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the Clipboard,
>>>> whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that doesn't mean
>>>> it's
>>>> staying in RAM.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're getting
>>>>>>> at):
>>>>>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to store it
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> immediate access
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the
>>>>>> opposite.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any higher
>>>>>> priority
>>>>>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out with
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
>>>>> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the clipboard,
>>>>> the
>>>>> clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of course.
>>>>> And
>>>>> usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used to hold that image.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you can
>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and that
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard
>>>>>>> utility
>>>>>>> mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to this all that
>>>>>>> often,
>>>>>>> in practice, from what I've seen.

>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM" in a
>>>>>> healthy
>>>>>> Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>>>>>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've read
>>>>>> it.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com. Simply
>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message to him
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the face
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into the
>>>>>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved chunk of
>>>>>>>>>> memory is?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it in my
>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it still
>>>>>>>>>>>> stays
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't matter
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
>

Bill in Co. · Jun 26, 2008

The clipboard contents can or may be held in the swap file? Then I guess
we have different definitions of clipboard. Like, for example, when
copying and pasting files, the clipboard is only holding pointers to the
actual data, not the actual data itself (the files being copied). Maybe
that's an example of what you're getting at (I'm not sure)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> You're wrong. The clipboard is held in memory, which may be RAM or may be
> the swap/page file(s). Saying that the Clipboard is stored in RAM is a
> false
> statement ("not always true" equals "false".) It's a matter of terminology
> and terminology is important.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:ue7U8%2311IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Gary, RAM is precisely what IS being used to hold the clipboard contents,
>> just as I said. And yes, RAM is MEMORY (but not all "memory" is RAM)
>>
>> Now, if you're going to go into the case where the clipboard can't hold
>> something in RAM, and the swapfile is being used, that is a different
>> issue, since we were specifically addressing the *clipboard* (whose
>> contents (like a pasted image bmp or jpg or whatever) ARE indeed held in
>> RAM).
>>
>> The swapfile is a disk file, and it's a different animal altogether
>> (being
>> known as "virtual" memory, or as permanent storage "memory").
>>
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> Yes, you're right. This time. Go back and read your first comment in
>>> this
>>> thread. It says nothing of memory, it only mentions RAM. They are NOT
>>> the
>>> same thing. That is all I was pointing out. If the Clipboard contents
>>> are
>>> occupying RAM that the system wants, they will get swapped to the hard
>>> drive. The swap file is memory but it isn't RAM.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:O6IhJjz1IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Things are either stored in RAM (which IS memory!), or on the hard
>>>> drive
>>>> (virtual memory). The 512 MB of RAM on your computer (or whatever)
>>>> IS
>>>> INDEED MEMORY. (I'm not counting the ROM or PROM memory here, since
>>>> we
>>>> can't write into that).
>>>>
>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>> Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the Clipboard,
>>>>> whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that doesn't
>>>>> mean
>>>>> it's
>>>>> staying in RAM.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're getting
>>>>>>>> at):
>>>>>>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to store it
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> immediate access
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the
>>>>>>> opposite.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any higher
>>>>>>> priority
>>>>>>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out with
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
>>>>>> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the
>>>>>> clipboard,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of course.
>>>>>> And
>>>>>> usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used to hold that
>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you can
>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and that
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard
>>>>>>>> utility
>>>>>>>> mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to this all that
>>>>>>>> often,
>>>>>>>> in practice, from what I've seen.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM" in a
>>>>>>> healthy
>>>>>>> Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>>>>>>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've read
>>>>>>> it.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com. Simply
>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message to him
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the face
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into the
>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved chunk
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> memory is?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stays
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't matter
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Gary S. Terhune · Jun 26, 2008

I can copy that entire 2GB bitmap to memory, then erase the file altogether,
and then paste the bitmap into a new file. The data is held in the
Clipboard. I can Copy any file, delete it, even defrag for good measure, and
then Paste it back to the hard drive.

No, what goes onto the clipboard aren't pointers, they're the data
themselves.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%239d8Xp71IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> The clipboard contents can or may be held in the swap file? Then I guess
> we have different definitions of clipboard. Like, for example, when
> copying and pasting files, the clipboard is only holding pointers to the
> actual data, not the actual data itself (the files being copied). Maybe
> that's an example of what you're getting at (I'm not sure)
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> You're wrong. The clipboard is held in memory, which may be RAM or may be
>> the swap/page file(s). Saying that the Clipboard is stored in RAM is a
>> false
>> statement ("not always true" equals "false".) It's a matter of
>> terminology
>> and terminology is important.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:ue7U8%2311IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Gary, RAM is precisely what IS being used to hold the clipboard
>>> contents,
>>> just as I said. And yes, RAM is MEMORY (but not all "memory" is RAM)
>>>
>>> Now, if you're going to go into the case where the clipboard can't hold
>>> something in RAM, and the swapfile is being used, that is a different
>>> issue, since we were specifically addressing the *clipboard* (whose
>>> contents (like a pasted image bmp or jpg or whatever) ARE indeed held in
>>> RAM).
>>>
>>> The swapfile is a disk file, and it's a different animal altogether
>>> (being
>>> known as "virtual" memory, or as permanent storage "memory").
>>>
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> Yes, you're right. This time. Go back and read your first comment in
>>>> this
>>>> thread. It says nothing of memory, it only mentions RAM. They are NOT
>>>> the
>>>> same thing. That is all I was pointing out. If the Clipboard contents
>>>> are
>>>> occupying RAM that the system wants, they will get swapped to the hard
>>>> drive. The swap file is memory but it isn't RAM.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:O6IhJjz1IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Things are either stored in RAM (which IS memory!), or on the hard
>>>>> drive
>>>>> (virtual memory). The 512 MB of RAM on your computer (or whatever)
>>>>> IS
>>>>> INDEED MEMORY. (I'm not counting the ROM or PROM memory here, since
>>>>> we
>>>>> can't write into that).
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>> Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the
>>>>>> Clipboard,
>>>>>> whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that doesn't
>>>>>> mean
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> staying in RAM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're getting
>>>>>>>>> at):
>>>>>>>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to store
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> immediate access
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the
>>>>>>>> opposite.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any higher
>>>>>>>> priority
>>>>>>>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out with
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
>>>>>>> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the
>>>>>>> clipboard,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of course.
>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>> usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used to hold that
>>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you can
>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard
>>>>>>>>> utility
>>>>>>>>> mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to this all that
>>>>>>>>> often,
>>>>>>>>> in practice, from what I've seen.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM" in a
>>>>>>>> healthy
>>>>>>>> Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>>>>>>>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've read
>>>>>>>> it.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com. Simply
>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message to
>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the
>>>>>>>>>> face
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into the
>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved chunk
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> memory is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stays
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
>

Gary S. Terhune · Jun 26, 2008

My mistake, you're right about pointers being used for file
Cut/Copy/Paste/Move, but when it comes to data itself, text, bitmap,
whatever, I'm right. The data is actually copied to the clipboard.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%239d8Xp71IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> The clipboard contents can or may be held in the swap file? Then I guess
> we have different definitions of clipboard. Like, for example, when
> copying and pasting files, the clipboard is only holding pointers to the
> actual data, not the actual data itself (the files being copied). Maybe
> that's an example of what you're getting at (I'm not sure)
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> You're wrong. The clipboard is held in memory, which may be RAM or may be
>> the swap/page file(s). Saying that the Clipboard is stored in RAM is a
>> false
>> statement ("not always true" equals "false".) It's a matter of
>> terminology
>> and terminology is important.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:ue7U8%2311IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Gary, RAM is precisely what IS being used to hold the clipboard
>>> contents,
>>> just as I said. And yes, RAM is MEMORY (but not all "memory" is RAM)
>>>
>>> Now, if you're going to go into the case where the clipboard can't hold
>>> something in RAM, and the swapfile is being used, that is a different
>>> issue, since we were specifically addressing the *clipboard* (whose
>>> contents (like a pasted image bmp or jpg or whatever) ARE indeed held in
>>> RAM).
>>>
>>> The swapfile is a disk file, and it's a different animal altogether
>>> (being
>>> known as "virtual" memory, or as permanent storage "memory").
>>>
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> Yes, you're right. This time. Go back and read your first comment in
>>>> this
>>>> thread. It says nothing of memory, it only mentions RAM. They are NOT
>>>> the
>>>> same thing. That is all I was pointing out. If the Clipboard contents
>>>> are
>>>> occupying RAM that the system wants, they will get swapped to the hard
>>>> drive. The swap file is memory but it isn't RAM.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:O6IhJjz1IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Things are either stored in RAM (which IS memory!), or on the hard
>>>>> drive
>>>>> (virtual memory). The 512 MB of RAM on your computer (or whatever)
>>>>> IS
>>>>> INDEED MEMORY. (I'm not counting the ROM or PROM memory here, since
>>>>> we
>>>>> can't write into that).
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>> Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the
>>>>>> Clipboard,
>>>>>> whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that doesn't
>>>>>> mean
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> staying in RAM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're getting
>>>>>>>>> at):
>>>>>>>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to store
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> immediate access
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the
>>>>>>>> opposite.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any higher
>>>>>>>> priority
>>>>>>>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out with
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
>>>>>>> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the
>>>>>>> clipboard,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of course.
>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>> usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used to hold that
>>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you can
>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard
>>>>>>>>> utility
>>>>>>>>> mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to this all that
>>>>>>>>> often,
>>>>>>>>> in practice, from what I've seen.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM" in a
>>>>>>>> healthy
>>>>>>>> Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>>>>>>>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've read
>>>>>>>> it.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com. Simply
>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message to
>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the
>>>>>>>>>> face
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into the
>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved chunk
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> memory is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stays
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
>

Bill in Co. · Jun 26, 2008

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> My mistake, you're right about pointers being used for file
> Cut/Copy/Paste/Move, but when it comes to data itself, text, bitmap,
> whatever, I'm right. The data is actually copied to the clipboard.

Almost right, but not quite:
Those clipboard contents (text, bitmaps, images) ARE stored in RAM (the
clipboard), and NOT in virtual memory on the disk - which is what I said.
The contents of the clipboard are stored in RAM memory.

> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%239d8Xp71IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> The clipboard contents can or may be held in the swap file? Then I
>> guess
>> we have different definitions of clipboard. Like, for example, when
>> copying and pasting files, the clipboard is only holding pointers to the
>> actual data, not the actual data itself (the files being copied). Maybe
>> that's an example of what you're getting at (I'm not sure)
>>
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> You're wrong. The clipboard is held in memory, which may be RAM or may
>>> be
>>> the swap/page file(s). Saying that the Clipboard is stored in RAM is a
>>> false
>>> statement ("not always true" equals "false".) It's a matter of
>>> terminology
>>> and terminology is important.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ue7U8%2311IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Gary, RAM is precisely what IS being used to hold the clipboard
>>>> contents,
>>>> just as I said. And yes, RAM is MEMORY (but not all "memory" is RAM)
>>>>
>>>> Now, if you're going to go into the case where the clipboard can't hold
>>>> something in RAM, and the swapfile is being used, that is a different
>>>> issue, since we were specifically addressing the *clipboard* (whose
>>>> contents (like a pasted image bmp or jpg or whatever) ARE indeed held
>>>> in
>>>> RAM).
>>>>
>>>> The swapfile is a disk file, and it's a different animal altogether
>>>> (being
>>>> known as "virtual" memory, or as permanent storage "memory").
>>>>
>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>> Yes, you're right. This time. Go back and read your first comment in
>>>>> this
>>>>> thread. It says nothing of memory, it only mentions RAM. They are NOT
>>>>> the
>>>>> same thing. That is all I was pointing out. If the Clipboard contents
>>>>> are
>>>>> occupying RAM that the system wants, they will get swapped to the hard
>>>>> drive. The swap file is memory but it isn't RAM.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:O6IhJjz1IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Things are either stored in RAM (which IS memory!), or on the hard
>>>>>> drive
>>>>>> (virtual memory). The 512 MB of RAM on your computer (or whatever)
>>>>>> IS
>>>>>> INDEED MEMORY. (I'm not counting the ROM or PROM memory here, since
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> can't write into that).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>> Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the
>>>>>>> Clipboard,
>>>>>>> whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that doesn't
>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> staying in RAM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're
>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>> at):
>>>>>>>>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to store
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> immediate access
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the
>>>>>>>>> opposite.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any higher
>>>>>>>>> priority
>>>>>>>>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
>>>>>>>> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the
>>>>>>>> clipboard,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of course.
>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>> usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used to hold that
>>>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you can
>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard
>>>>>>>>>> utility
>>>>>>>>>> mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to this all that
>>>>>>>>>> often,
>>>>>>>>>> in practice, from what I've seen.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM" in a
>>>>>>>>> healthy
>>>>>>>>> Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>>>>>>>>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've read
>>>>>>>>> it.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com.
>>>>>>>>>>> Simply
>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message to
>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the
>>>>>>>>>>> face
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved chunk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> memory is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stays
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Gary S. Terhune · Jun 27, 2008

OK, you have documentation for this? That the contents of the Clipboard are
a special case that cannot be swapped out? Makes no sense to me but it will
take a bit to test my own ideas thoroughly on a Win98 machine.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%23Jl5%231A2IHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> My mistake, you're right about pointers being used for file
>> Cut/Copy/Paste/Move, but when it comes to data itself, text, bitmap,
>> whatever, I'm right. The data is actually copied to the clipboard.
>
> Almost right, but not quite:
> Those clipboard contents (text, bitmaps, images) ARE stored in RAM (the
> clipboard), and NOT in virtual memory on the disk - which is what I said.
> The contents of the clipboard are stored in RAM memory.
>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:%239d8Xp71IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> The clipboard contents can or may be held in the swap file? Then I
>>> guess
>>> we have different definitions of clipboard. Like, for example, when
>>> copying and pasting files, the clipboard is only holding pointers to the
>>> actual data, not the actual data itself (the files being copied).
>>> Maybe
>>> that's an example of what you're getting at (I'm not sure)
>>>
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> You're wrong. The clipboard is held in memory, which may be RAM or may
>>>> be
>>>> the swap/page file(s). Saying that the Clipboard is stored in RAM is a
>>>> false
>>>> statement ("not always true" equals "false".) It's a matter of
>>>> terminology
>>>> and terminology is important.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ue7U8%2311IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Gary, RAM is precisely what IS being used to hold the clipboard
>>>>> contents,
>>>>> just as I said. And yes, RAM is MEMORY (but not all "memory" is RAM)
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, if you're going to go into the case where the clipboard can't
>>>>> hold
>>>>> something in RAM, and the swapfile is being used, that is a different
>>>>> issue, since we were specifically addressing the *clipboard* (whose
>>>>> contents (like a pasted image bmp or jpg or whatever) ARE indeed held
>>>>> in
>>>>> RAM).
>>>>>
>>>>> The swapfile is a disk file, and it's a different animal altogether
>>>>> (being
>>>>> known as "virtual" memory, or as permanent storage "memory").
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, you're right. This time. Go back and read your first comment in
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> thread. It says nothing of memory, it only mentions RAM. They are NOT
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same thing. That is all I was pointing out. If the Clipboard contents
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> occupying RAM that the system wants, they will get swapped to the
>>>>>> hard
>>>>>> drive. The swap file is memory but it isn't RAM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:O6IhJjz1IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Things are either stored in RAM (which IS memory!), or on the hard
>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>> (virtual memory). The 512 MB of RAM on your computer (or
>>>>>>> whatever)
>>>>>>> IS
>>>>>>> INDEED MEMORY. (I'm not counting the ROM or PROM memory here,
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> can't write into that).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the
>>>>>>>> Clipboard,
>>>>>>>> whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that doesn't
>>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> staying in RAM.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're
>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>> at):
>>>>>>>>>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to store
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> immediate access
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the
>>>>>>>>>> opposite.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any higher
>>>>>>>>>> priority
>>>>>>>>>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
>>>>>>>>> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the
>>>>>>>>> clipboard,
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of
>>>>>>>>> course.
>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>> usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used to hold that
>>>>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you can
>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard
>>>>>>>>>>> utility
>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to this all
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> often,
>>>>>>>>>>> in practice, from what I've seen.

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM" in
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> healthy
>>>>>>>>>> Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>>>>>>>>>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've read
>>>>>>>>>> it.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Simply
>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message to
>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> face
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chunk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> memory is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stays
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
>

Bill in Co. · Jun 27, 2008

At my fingertips? Nope. But go ahead and test it out.
However, proving that *actual contents* of the *clipboard*, per se, are
actually being swapped out (and I don't mean pointer or address references
in the clipboard here, I mean the actual concrete data, NOT links to data),
will be interesting.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> OK, you have documentation for this? That the contents of the Clipboard
> are
> a special case that cannot be swapped out? Makes no sense to me but it
> will
> take a bit to test my own ideas thoroughly on a Win98 machine.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%23Jl5%231A2IHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> My mistake, you're right about pointers being used for file
>>> Cut/Copy/Paste/Move, but when it comes to data itself, text, bitmap,
>>> whatever, I'm right. The data is actually copied to the clipboard.
>>
>> Almost right, but not quite:
>> Those clipboard contents (text, bitmaps, images) ARE stored in RAM (the
>> clipboard), and NOT in virtual memory on the disk - which is what I said.
>> The contents of the clipboard are stored in RAM memory.
>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%239d8Xp71IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> The clipboard contents can or may be held in the swap file? Then I
>>>> guess
>>>> we have different definitions of clipboard. Like, for example, when
>>>> copying and pasting files, the clipboard is only holding pointers to
>>>> the
>>>> actual data, not the actual data itself (the files being copied).
>>>> Maybe
>>>> that's an example of what you're getting at (I'm not sure)
>>>>
>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>> You're wrong. The clipboard is held in memory, which may be RAM or may
>>>>> be
>>>>> the swap/page file(s). Saying that the Clipboard is stored in RAM is a
>>>>> false
>>>>> statement ("not always true" equals "false".) It's a matter of
>>>>> terminology
>>>>> and terminology is important.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ue7U8%2311IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Gary, RAM is precisely what IS being used to hold the clipboard
>>>>>> contents,
>>>>>> just as I said. And yes, RAM is MEMORY (but not all "memory" is
>>>>>> RAM)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, if you're going to go into the case where the clipboard can't
>>>>>> hold
>>>>>> something in RAM, and the swapfile is being used, that is a different
>>>>>> issue, since we were specifically addressing the *clipboard* (whose
>>>>>> contents (like a pasted image bmp or jpg or whatever) ARE indeed held
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> RAM).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The swapfile is a disk file, and it's a different animal altogether
>>>>>> (being
>>>>>> known as "virtual" memory, or as permanent storage "memory").
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>> Yes, you're right. This time. Go back and read your first comment in
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> thread. It says nothing of memory, it only mentions RAM. They are
>>>>>>> NOT
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same thing. That is all I was pointing out. If the Clipboard
>>>>>>> contents
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> occupying RAM that the system wants, they will get swapped to the
>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>> drive. The swap file is memory but it isn't RAM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:O6IhJjz1IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Things are either stored in RAM (which IS memory!), or on the hard
>>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>> (virtual memory). The 512 MB of RAM on your computer (or
>>>>>>>> whatever)
>>>>>>>> IS
>>>>>>>> INDEED MEMORY. (I'm not counting the ROM or PROM memory here,
>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> can't write into that).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the
>>>>>>>>> Clipboard,
>>>>>>>>> whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that doesn't
>>>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> staying in RAM.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're
>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> at):
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to
>>>>>>>>>>>> store
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> immediate access
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the
>>>>>>>>>>> opposite.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any higher
>>>>>>>>>>> priority
>>>>>>>>>>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
>>>>>>>>>> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the
>>>>>>>>>> clipboard,
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of
>>>>>>>>>> course.
>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>> usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used to hold that
>>>>>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you can
>>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> utility
>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to this all
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> often,
>>>>>>>>>>>> in practice, from what I've seen.

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM" in
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> healthy
>>>>>>>>>>> Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've
>>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>>> it.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> face
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chunk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> memory is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the file it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stays
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Bill in Co. · Jun 28, 2008

Found out anything yet? I still think I was correct.

Bill in Co. wrote:
> At my fingertips? Nope. But go ahead and test it out.
> However, proving that *actual contents* of the *clipboard*, per se, are
> actually being swapped out (and I don't mean pointer or address references
> in the clipboard here, I mean the actual concrete data, NOT links to
> data),
> will be interesting.
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> OK, you have documentation for this? That the contents of the Clipboard
>> are a special case that cannot be swapped out? Makes no sense to me but
>> it
>> will take a bit to test my own ideas thoroughly on a Win98 machine.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23Jl5%231A2IHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> My mistake, you're right about pointers being used for file
>>>> Cut/Copy/Paste/Move, but when it comes to data itself, text, bitmap,
>>>> whatever, I'm right. The data is actually copied to the clipboard.
>>>
>>> Almost right, but not quite:
>>> Those clipboard contents (text, bitmaps, images) ARE stored in RAM (the
>>> clipboard), and NOT in virtual memory on the disk - which is what I
>>> said.
>>> The contents of the clipboard are stored in RAM memory.
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:%239d8Xp71IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> The clipboard contents can or may be held in the swap file? Then I
>>>>> guess we have different definitions of clipboard. Like, for example,
>>>>> when
>>>>> copying and pasting files, the clipboard is only holding pointers to
>>>>> the
>>>>> actual data, not the actual data itself (the files being copied).
>>>>> Maybe that's an example of what you're getting at (I'm not sure)
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>> You're wrong. The clipboard is held in memory, which may be RAM or
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> be the swap/page file(s). Saying that the Clipboard is stored in RAM
>>>>>> is a
>>>>>> false statement ("not always true" equals "false".) It's a matter of
>>>>>> terminology
>>>>>> and terminology is important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ue7U8%2311IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Gary, RAM is precisely what IS being used to hold the clipboard
>>>>>>> contents,
>>>>>>> just as I said. And yes, RAM is MEMORY (but not all "memory" is
>>>>>>> RAM)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, if you're going to go into the case where the clipboard can't
>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>> something in RAM, and the swapfile is being used, that is a
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> issue, since we were specifically addressing the *clipboard* (whose
>>>>>>> contents (like a pasted image bmp or jpg or whatever) ARE indeed
>>>>>>> held
>>>>>>> in RAM).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The swapfile is a disk file, and it's a different animal altogether
>>>>>>> (being
>>>>>>> known as "virtual" memory, or as permanent storage "memory").
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yes, you're right. This time. Go back and read your first comment
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> this thread. It says nothing of memory, it only mentions RAM. They
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> NOT the same thing. That is all I was pointing out. If the
>>>>>>>> Clipboard
>>>>>>>> contents are
>>>>>>>> occupying RAM that the system wants, they will get swapped to the
>>>>>>>> hard drive. The swap file is memory but it isn't RAM.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:O6IhJjz1IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Things are either stored in RAM (which IS memory!), or on the hard
>>>>>>>>> drive (virtual memory). The 512 MB of RAM on your computer (or
>>>>>>>>> whatever) IS
>>>>>>>>> INDEED MEMORY. (I'm not counting the ROM or PROM memory
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> here, since we can't write into that).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the
>>>>>>>>>> Clipboard,
>>>>>>>>>> whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> mean it's staying in RAM.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting at):
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> store it for immediate access
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> opposite. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any
>>>>>>>>>>>> higher
>>>>>>>>>>>> priority
>>>>>>>>>>>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out
>>>>>>>>>>>> with no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
>>>>>>>>>>> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the
>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard,
>>>>>>>>>>> the clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of
>>>>>>>>>>> course. And usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used
>>>>>>>>>>> to hold that image.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> always do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear clipboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> utility mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that often, in practice, from what I've seen.

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM"
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> a healthy Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've
>>>>>>>>>>>> read it.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simply reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face of it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the clipboard is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chunk of memory is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it still stays
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and how can I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter what is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't give you a single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Gary S. Terhune · Jun 28, 2008

I've been busy.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eIFn%23KW2IHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Found out anything yet? I still think I was correct.

>
> Bill in Co. wrote:
>> At my fingertips? Nope. But go ahead and test it out.
>> However, proving that *actual contents* of the *clipboard*, per se, are
>> actually being swapped out (and I don't mean pointer or address
>> references
>> in the clipboard here, I mean the actual concrete data, NOT links to
>> data),
>> will be interesting.
>>
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> OK, you have documentation for this? That the contents of the Clipboard
>>> are a special case that cannot be swapped out? Makes no sense to me but
>>> it
>>> will take a bit to test my own ideas thoroughly on a Win98 machine.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Jl5%231A2IHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>> My mistake, you're right about pointers being used for file
>>>>> Cut/Copy/Paste/Move, but when it comes to data itself, text, bitmap,
>>>>> whatever, I'm right. The data is actually copied to the clipboard.
>>>>
>>>> Almost right, but not quite:
>>>> Those clipboard contents (text, bitmaps, images) ARE stored in RAM (the
>>>> clipboard), and NOT in virtual memory on the disk - which is what I
>>>> said.
>>>> The contents of the clipboard are stored in RAM memory.
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%239d8Xp71IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> The clipboard contents can or may be held in the swap file? Then I
>>>>>> guess we have different definitions of clipboard. Like, for
>>>>>> example, when
>>>>>> copying and pasting files, the clipboard is only holding pointers to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> actual data, not the actual data itself (the files being copied).
>>>>>> Maybe that's an example of what you're getting at (I'm not sure)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>> You're wrong. The clipboard is held in memory, which may be RAM or
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> be the swap/page file(s). Saying that the Clipboard is stored in RAM
>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>> false statement ("not always true" equals "false".) It's a matter of
>>>>>>> terminology
>>>>>>> and terminology is important.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ue7U8%2311IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Gary, RAM is precisely what IS being used to hold the clipboard
>>>>>>>> contents,
>>>>>>>> just as I said. And yes, RAM is MEMORY (but not all "memory" is
>>>>>>>> RAM)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, if you're going to go into the case where the clipboard can't
>>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>>> something in RAM, and the swapfile is being used, that is a
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> issue, since we were specifically addressing the *clipboard* (whose
>>>>>>>> contents (like a pasted image bmp or jpg or whatever) ARE indeed
>>>>>>>> held
>>>>>>>> in RAM).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The swapfile is a disk file, and it's a different animal altogether
>>>>>>>> (being
>>>>>>>> known as "virtual" memory, or as permanent storage "memory").
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yes, you're right. This time. Go back and read your first comment
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> this thread. It says nothing of memory, it only mentions RAM. They
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> NOT the same thing. That is all I was pointing out. If the
>>>>>>>>> Clipboard
>>>>>>>>> contents are
>>>>>>>>> occupying RAM that the system wants, they will get swapped to the
>>>>>>>>> hard drive. The swap file is memory but it isn't RAM.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:O6IhJjz1IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Things are either stored in RAM (which IS memory!), or on the
>>>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>>> drive (virtual memory). The 512 MB of RAM on your computer (or
>>>>>>>>>> whatever) IS
>>>>>>>>>> INDEED MEMORY. (I'm not counting the ROM or PROM memory
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> here, since we can't write into that).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill, there's a difference between RAM and Memory. Yes, the
>>>>>>>>>>> Clipboard,
>>>>>>>>>>> whether 1KB or 2GB in size, is going into Memory, but that
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> mean it's staying in RAM.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:%23qB$%23hx1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uT$ajbn1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing is obvious, however (and this may be what you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting at):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you copy something to the clipboard, it IS using RAM to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store it for immediate access
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes you say that? Not obvious to me at all. In fact,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opposite. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see no reason or documentation that the Clipboard has any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher
>>>>>>>>>>>>> priority
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than most stuff in memory and should be able to be swapped out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Priority? Where did I mention anything about priority?
>>>>>>>>>>>> All I'm saying is: if you paste a picture (image) into the
>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the clipboard IS using some memory to hold it. RAM memory, of
>>>>>>>>>>>> course. And usually it's minimal, but it is *still* being used
>>>>>>>>>>>> to hold that image.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to (or feel compulsed to) free up that RAM, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what was already mentioned: i.e, just copy a bit of text,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overwrite what was in there before, OR use the clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> utility mentioned by Glen. But you really don't need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that often, in practice, from what I've seen.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know darned well that there's no such thing as "free RAM"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a healthy Win98 system. That would be wasting it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (How many times have you seen that link, Bill? Surely you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> read it.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spent twenty minutes searching Google and Microsoft.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simply reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that stuff clearly implied that dadiOH is wrong. My message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenge to show evidence for what he suggests, since on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face of it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and based upon personal experience, it makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "S1L1Y1" <s1l1y1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%235Xkkki1IHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I found that information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:eDd%23bYi1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would imply that the amount of data you can put into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the clipboard is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limited. Would you happen to know how large the reserved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chunk of memory is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uAsjWUi1IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S1L1Y1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copied many pages of a PDF. file at it says it saves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my clipboard. I noticed that even after I close the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it still stays
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the clipboard at uses up memory. Why does this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and how can I clear it manually?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A block of memory is used for the clipboard. It doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter what is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, no additional memory is being used. "Clearing" it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't give you a single byte more of available RAM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
>

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