NVIDIA FX Go 5200 drivers

[Leythos]

Anyone been able to get the NVIDIA FX Go 5200 working on a Toshiba
laptop?

I've been to several sites, tried several hacks, etc... The laptop is
still a powerhouse, but there is just nothing for Vista Drivers.

TIA.

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[Colin Barnhorst]

What laptop? What Toshiba model?

According to:
http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html
you are out of luck, but if you have not done so, you can test your Go 5200
for Vista compatibility using the "Analyze Your PC" link on the page to make
sure.

Since nothing earlier than a Go 6100/6150 is listed under Notebooks, it
appears that you will not get Aero using a Go 5200 adaptor.

Whether or not Toshiba has any Vista drivers is something you have to
investigate on Toshiba's website. There will not be another source.

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> Anyone been able to get the NVIDIA FX Go 5200 working on a Toshiba
> laptop?
>
> I've been to several sites, tried several hacks, etc... The laptop is
> still a powerhouse, but there is just nothing for Vista Drivers.
>
> TIA.
>
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[Dominic Payer]

See http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/.
Download both the driver you choose and the modified inf file for it and
replace the inf in the extracted driver file. The basic driver is a desktop
driver and you will need the modified inf file for it to be able to install
on a laptop.



"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:1214717001_158083@news.usenet.com...
> Anyone been able to get the NVIDIA FX Go 5200 working on a Toshiba
> laptop?
>
> I've been to several sites, tried several hacks, etc... The laptop is
> still a powerhouse, but there is just nothing for Vista Drivers.
>
> TIA.
>
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[Leythos]

In article <uFYiPsZ2IHA.5512@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,
c.barnhorst@comcast.net says...
> What laptop? What Toshiba model?
>
P25-S526, and I've checked Toshiba's site as well as LVD2G and tried
about 20 different drivers.


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[Leythos]

In article <7B4A6EA0-39EC-4C04-B759-E1069C8B8E97@microsoft.com>,
dcp@dcp.fsv.co.uk says...
> See http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/.
> Download both the driver you choose and the modified inf file for it and
> replace the inf in the extracted driver file. The basic driver is a desktop
> driver and you will need the modified inf file for it to be able to install
> on a laptop.

Yep, done at least 20 drivers and inf from that site, the best I can get
is standard vga resolutions, nothing worked.

Guess it's time for a new laptop.



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[Colin Barnhorst]

The Go 5200 is not supported. You will get basic video but nothing before a
Go 6100/6150 has Vista support. Sorry. The Windows Device Driver Model in
Vista is very different from XP and that is why you are having the problem.
The Go 5200 does not have any WDDM compliant drivers. It is simply too old.

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:1214755284_158102@news.usenet.com...
> In article <7B4A6EA0-39EC-4C04-B759-E1069C8B8E97@microsoft.com>,
> dcp@dcp.fsv.co.uk says...
>> See http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/.
>> Download both the driver you choose and the modified inf file for it and
>> replace the inf in the extracted driver file. The basic driver is a
>> desktop
>> driver and you will need the modified inf file for it to be able to
>> install
>> on a laptop.
>
> Yep, done at least 20 drivers and inf from that site, the best I can get
> is standard vga resolutions, nothing worked.
>
> Guess it's time for a new laptop.
>
>
>
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[Leythos]

In article <38F0A933-4773-4659-AB4F-BBFBA5DF081E@microsoft.com>,
c.barnhorst@comcast.net says...
> The Go 5200 is not supported. You will get basic video but nothing before a
> Go 6100/6150 has Vista support. Sorry. The Windows Device Driver Model in
> Vista is very different from XP and that is why you are having the problem.
> The Go 5200 does not have any WDDM compliant drivers. It is simply too old.
>
I'm well aware that the card in the laptop is not supported, but that
wasn't the point of the post.

Many people have found ways to get 5200's to work, and it's through
trial and error that they do it.

The laptop is about 2 years old, hardly TOO OLD, but it's another case
of how MS chooses to screw people with good systems in their effort to
get people to buy the next OS so that the next OS after that will have
enough hardware to run well - much like Windows ME did before XP.

I'll keep looking.

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[Colin Barnhorst]

Toshiba's choice of providing the Go 5200 at a time when the WDDM
requirements for Aero were already widely known and available to all OEMs
was no doubt their business decision, not Microsoft's. Since the lappy did
not come with Vista preinstalled, the choice to install Vista was yours.
Nevertheless, good luck tracking down the workarounds. I hope you find them
quickly.

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:1214768079_158114@news.usenet.com...
> In article <38F0A933-4773-4659-AB4F-BBFBA5DF081E@microsoft.com>,
> c.barnhorst@comcast.net says...
>> The Go 5200 is not supported. You will get basic video but nothing
>> before a
>> Go 6100/6150 has Vista support. Sorry. The Windows Device Driver Model
>> in
>> Vista is very different from XP and that is why you are having the
>> problem.
>> The Go 5200 does not have any WDDM compliant drivers. It is simply too
>> old.
>>
> I'm well aware that the card in the laptop is not supported, but that
> wasn't the point of the post.
>
> Many people have found ways to get 5200's to work, and it's through
> trial and error that they do it.
>
> The laptop is about 2 years old, hardly TOO OLD, but it's another case
> of how MS chooses to screw people with good systems in their effort to
> get people to buy the next OS so that the next OS after that will have
> enough hardware to run well - much like Windows ME did before XP.
>
> I'll keep looking.
>
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[Leythos]

In article <E8B770B4-8FB0-4F0A-9ECD-7DCD05A06FB1@microsoft.com>,
c.barnhorst@comcast.net says...
> Toshiba's choice of providing the Go 5200 at a time when the WDDM
> requirements for Aero were already widely known and available to all OEMs
> was no doubt their business decision, not Microsoft's. Since the lappy did
> not come with Vista preinstalled, the choice to install Vista was yours.
> Nevertheless, good luck tracking down the workarounds. I hope you find them
> quickly.

I've been around MS OS's since Bill came out of the Garage, so I think I
understand their motivations well enough and I'm not a MS Basher of any
type.

MS came out with ME to push better hardware for XP, they've done the
same thing with Vista, more hardware to get the same performance as XP
provided, it's always been that way.

MS could have provided a generic driver that also provided DirectX
support for 1024x768, but they didn't, that's my b1tch with them.

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[Colin Barnhorst]

Not going there. Just trying to answer your questions. We try to help
chippy people too. No prob.

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:1214795128_158236@news.usenet.com...
> In article <E8B770B4-8FB0-4F0A-9ECD-7DCD05A06FB1@microsoft.com>,
> c.barnhorst@comcast.net says...
>> Toshiba's choice of providing the Go 5200 at a time when the WDDM
>> requirements for Aero were already widely known and available to all OEMs
>> was no doubt their business decision, not Microsoft's. Since the lappy
>> did
>> not come with Vista preinstalled, the choice to install Vista was yours.
>> Nevertheless, good luck tracking down the workarounds. I hope you find
>> them
>> quickly.
>
> I've been around MS OS's since Bill came out of the Garage, so I think I
> understand their motivations well enough and I'm not a MS Basher of any
> type.
>
> MS came out with ME to push better hardware for XP, they've done the
> same thing with Vista, more hardware to get the same performance as XP
> provided, it's always been that way.
>
> MS could have provided a generic driver that also provided DirectX
> support for 1024x768, but they didn't, that's my b1tch with them.
>
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[Paul Smith]

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> I'm well aware that the card in the laptop is not supported, but that
> wasn't the point of the post.
>
> Many people have found ways to get 5200's to work, and it's through
> trial and error that they do it.

After months of "working" with my Toshiba M200 Tablet PC I gave up and got a
Motion LE1700 (free of nVidia chipsets).

The Mrs got the M200, which she uses. But the best I could ever get it to
run would still mean losing full-screen video, had to use hybrid sleep as
the display wouldn't always wake up from regular sleep (which means it takes
longer entering sleep as it suspends to the disk too). Aero would work for
a while, but with only 32MB of RAM it would fall back to basic when the
system was under load. And when running under the basic theme, scrolling
pages with pen flicks would occasionally crash the driver.

Other than all that it "works", from memory the drivers I ended up using
(after trying about 30 different versions) was the 97.something ones.

> The laptop is about 2 years old, hardly TOO OLD, but it's another case
> of how MS chooses to screw people with good systems in their effort to
> get people to buy the next OS so that the next OS after that will have
> enough hardware to run well - much like Windows ME did before XP.

I have to say that I completely, and utterly disagree with that. It's
precisely that sort of attitude which allows the real culprits to constantly
get away with this.

nVidia are solely the ones to blame on this, they're the ones who can't be
bothered to write a driver, yet their competitors support products 2 or 3
years older. Worse still - nVidia actually went through all of 2006 saying
they would support the 5xxx series, back in the Windows Vista beta we
actually had video drivers from them. As I recall nVidia didn't change
their position until February after Windows Vista was released, then they
changed their website stating they wouldn't support the cards.

And that goes for the nForce 3 chipsets too, which I again got burned with.
They went through all of 2006 saying they would support them, and again in
February they change their website - which means I have to run my secondary
machine with one of the CPUs cores disabled, otherwise I lose all hardware
acceleration on the AGP port. Despite the fact that Via and SiS released
drivers on a similar age systems which address similar issues on their
machines.

You pointing your finger at Microsoft and blaming them is exactly why we
keep getting screwed over. Just why the hell would Microsoft be motivated
to stop people's video cards from working? Go talk to nVidia who are hoping
to pick up some hardware sales.

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[Leythos]

In article <1E03C1F3-0736-440F-A6AD-5F29D164DB8A@microsoft.com>,
Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net says...
> > The laptop is about 2 years old, hardly TOO OLD, but it's another case
> > of how MS chooses to screw people with good systems in their effort to
> > get people to buy the next OS so that the next OS after that will have
> > enough hardware to run well - much like Windows ME did before XP.
>
> I have to say that I completely, and utterly disagree with that. It's
> precisely that sort of attitude which allows the real culprits to constantly
> get away with this.

We can disagree, I'm still blaming MS because of the drastic changes in
video - if they had not completely redesigned it we would still have
good laptops.

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[Paul Smith]

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> We can disagree, I'm still blaming MS because of the drastic changes in
> video - if they had not completely redesigned it we would still have
> good laptops.

And no doubt then you'll be complaining because they didn't change anything
in Windows Vista, am I right? Sorry but people like myself have been
demanding change, because we could make things better.

If you want you can actually use the Windows XP drivers on Windows Vista,
you just need to manually install them, of course you'd lose all the new
features and instead of the system recovering from driver crashes, it'll
take down the system with them.

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[Leythos]

In article <eR5pzVr2IHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,
Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net says...
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:1214803935_158238@news.usenet.com...
>
> > We can disagree, I'm still blaming MS because of the drastic changes in
> > video - if they had not completely redesigned it we would still have
> > good laptops.
>
> And no doubt then you'll be complaining because they didn't change anything
> in Windows Vista, am I right? Sorry but people like myself have been
> demanding change, because we could make things better.

Paul, what good came from the changes in the video system in Vista?

What foundation changes were needed to make it BETTER?

Certainly not video performance, certainly not 3D effects performance.

> If you want you can actually use the Windows XP drivers on Windows Vista,
> you just need to manually install them, of course you'd lose all the new
> features and instead of the system recovering from driver crashes, it'll
> take down the system with them.

You don't need to be confrontational, MS does this and has a history of
doing this, I just didn't like that a workhorse laptop that was on the
market before Vista hit didn't at least get a minimal level of support
from MS.

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[Paul Smith]

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> Paul, what good came from the changes in the video system in Vista?

A large part of the video driver is now in user mode so it can't take the
system out, scheduling, textures being shared across different processes
instead of having to copy the data from one to another, virtualized memory
at runtime level.

The biggest thing however that resulted from this was the fact the GUI is
now rendered through Direct3D, the most obvious benefit being a vertical
sync on the desktop.

> What foundation changes were needed to make it BETTER?

The above?

> Certainly not video performance, certainly not 3D effects performance.

Actually 3D performance is pretty much the same, if anything Windows Vista
has better performance.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2302500,00.asp

> You don't need to be confrontational, MS does this and has a history of
> doing this, I just didn't like that a workhorse laptop that was on the
> market before Vista hit didn't at least get a minimal level of support
> from MS.

Why is Microsoft suppose to be supporting somebody else's product? Honestly
what do you want Microsoft to do? Write drivers for all millions of devices
in the eco-system, or just the big players and not for small guys putting
together printed circuit boards in their garage?

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[Leythos]

In article <OUAUNPt2IHA.3600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net says...
> Why is Microsoft suppose to be supporting somebody else's product? Honestly
> what do you want Microsoft to do? Write drivers for all millions of devices
> in the eco-system, or just the big players and not for small guys putting
> together printed circuit boards in their garage?

Strange, you seem to be missing that the Video was supported under XP,
and with such a dramatic change in what MS supports, making most video
invalid, you would thing that MS would either provide basic support for
most video or allow one to fall-back to the older video modes in order
to retain their investment.

If this was just a PC I could go out and get a video card for $250 and
be happy, but few laptops permit video card changes....

MS screwed an entire segment of the market - like Business people that
use Laptops.

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[the wharf rat]

In article <OUAUNPt2IHA.3600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
Paul Smith <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote:
>
>what do you want Microsoft to do? Write drivers for all millions of devices
>in the eco-system, or just the big players and not for small guys putting
>together printed circuit boards in their garage?
>

I want microsoft to consider the effect of wholesale architecture
changes on the installed application and hardware base and minimize those
changes by providing compatibility modes or legacy API.

 

[Paul Smith]

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:1214854101_158307@news.usenet.com...
> In article <OUAUNPt2IHA.3600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
> Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net says...

> Strange, you seem to be missing that the Video was supported under XP,
> and with such a dramatic change in what MS supports, making most video
> invalid, you would thing that MS would either provide basic support for
> most video or allow one to fall-back to the older video modes in order
> to retain their investment.

You can install the Windows XP drivers as I've already said, and lose the
new features. It's obviously not supported by nVidia, but as they don't
support the cards no matter what, there's not a lot you can do.

You seem to be missing the fact that nVidia *chose* not to support not only
your graphics card but mine too. nVidia were told what changes were being
made years ago, before the 5xxx were even released. They were developing
the drivers, and they then were cut, cancelled, killed, just like that
*after* Windows Vista came out.

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[Colin Barnhorst]

Actually you do see that when an app that could have a ugly impact on the
display is running. Windows shuts down Aero until the app exits. You then
get an XP-style rendering of the desktop and its apps.

Rendering the desktop in the gpu and releiveing the cpu of that sort of task
does make a difference even when Aero is not in play.

"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message
news:g4b625$9e4$1@reader2.panix.com...
> In article <OUAUNPt2IHA.3600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
> Paul Smith <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote:
>>
>>what do you want Microsoft to do? Write drivers for all millions of
>>devices
>>in the eco-system, or just the big players and not for small guys putting
>>together printed circuit boards in their garage?
>>
>
> I want microsoft to consider the effect of wholesale architecture
> changes on the installed application and hardware base and minimize those
> changes by providing compatibility modes or legacy API.
>