webTV adapter

J

Jim

First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter in
the Network components list is this a by product of an install of this
webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance the
video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary for
Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like a
dead alvin.
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by default in
Win98.)

Do you have a TV tuner card installed?

Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with www.webtv.com?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Jim wrote:
> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
>
> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter in
> the Network components list is this a by product of an install of this
> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance the
> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary for
> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like a
> dead alvin.
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Google is your friend,

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23DRIM434IHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

Not surprising. I have never, nor do I know anyone who has ever used WebTV.

> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter in
> the Network components list is this a by product of an install of this
> webTV component in MSIEv.6?

I believe it first appeared as part of the original Windows 98, but common
sense dictates that it could have been a stand-alone developed on Win95 or
even an late-model 95 component. I dunno. It's not installed by default in a
normal Win98 setup.

>The Vista system is supposed to enhance the
> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary for
> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like a
> dead alvin.

Vista features you allude to are totally unrelated.

Uninstall it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com
 
J

Jim

I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the
relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of www.webtv.com.

I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected, This
was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea with
minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in hope
of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. Is it
necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the status of
WebTV and where is it going today?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by default
in
> Win98.)
>
> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?
>
> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with www.webtv.com?
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
> Jim wrote:
> > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
> > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
> >
> > Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter
in
> > the Network components list is this a by product of an install of this
> > webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance the
> > video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary
for
> > Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like
a
> > dead alvin.
>
 
J

Jim

This was an interesting idea for the home user who did not require the
computing power of some of the pc's at the time and if they did, possibly
use a server based systems computing abilities.

Yes, Google has some good information about the history and current state of
webtv.

I think it is win98se and was bundled with the Wavetop technology that the
PBS media was broadcasting in the valleys of its broadcast range.

You say Vista is unrelated, but the big push of U-Verse out of SBC/ATT and
MSNTV which is essentially webTV development program in today's world.
U-Verse should be operational by August/Septemeber of 2008. Why the enhanced
video/TV drivers for Vista?

You think I should uninstall this adapter will it be needed in the future
for some of these up coming media developments?
I guess I should since I can always reinstall. Is there any services for
webTV for win98se currently operating?
tia

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:u6plGe44IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> Google is your friend,
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23DRIM434IHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
> > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
>
> Not surprising. I have never, nor do I know anyone who has ever used
WebTV.
>
> > Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter
in
> > the Network components list is this a by product of an install of this
> > webTV component in MSIEv.6?
>
> I believe it first appeared as part of the original Windows 98, but common
> sense dictates that it could have been a stand-alone developed on Win95 or
> even an late-model 95 component. I dunno. It's not installed by default in
a
> normal Win98 setup.
>
> >The Vista system is supposed to enhance the
> > video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary
for
> > Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like
a
> > dead alvin.
>
> Vista features you allude to are totally unrelated.
>
> Uninstall it.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
>
>
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed by
default.

Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with www.webtv.com
(which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included in
Win98).

A TV tuner card can have two functions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card

The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have no
idea what's going on with www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's been
available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth squat).


Jim wrote:
> I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the
> relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of www.webtv.com.
>
> I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected,
> This
> was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea with
> minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in
> hope
> of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. Is
> it
> necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the status
> of
> WebTV and where is it going today?
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by default
>> in
>> Win98.)
>>
>> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?
>>
>> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with www.webtv.com?
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>> Jim wrote:
>>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
>>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
>>>
>>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter
>>> in
>>> the Network components list is this a by product of an install of this
>>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance the
>>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary
>>> for
>>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on like
>>> a
>>> dead alvin.
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Read PA's last reply to you.

One version of MSN TV (tv.msn.com, not msntv.com) provides TV via the
internet. It requires no television input. WebTV/MSNTV.com are not WebTV as
seen in Windows 98. Rather, they provide internet via the television, with
no PC involved, maybe not even any Windows involved. WebTV, as it occurs in
Windows 98 is more like U-Verse than anything else, but they are TOTALLY
unrelated. (If MS had anything to do with U-Verse, you can bet MS would make
sure that it gets prominent mention in ATT's U-Verse advertising.)

The video rendering improvements in Vista, whatever they consists of, are
intended to make ANY video signal, regardless of it's provenance, render
better (TV input, DVD or BlueRay video, including Hi Def, etc.), but AFAIK
it is strictly a hardware/signal processing thing and has NOTHING to do with
any of the other things you've injected into the conversation.

The device in your Windows 98 that you've been asking about is totally
worthless. The whole application is totally worthless. There is no way to
even use it any more. It's obsolete, totally dead. It even lost its own URL,
for crying out loud. Just try the link in this ResKit article,
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win98/reskit/part2/wrkc13.mspx

That site no longer has anything to do with Win98's WebTV.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:O7zQzE54IHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> This was an interesting idea for the home user who did not require the
> computing power of some of the pc's at the time and if they did, possibly
> use a server based systems computing abilities.
>
> Yes, Google has some good information about the history and current state
> of
> webtv.
>
> I think it is win98se and was bundled with the Wavetop technology that the
> PBS media was broadcasting in the valleys of its broadcast range.
>
> You say Vista is unrelated, but the big push of U-Verse out of SBC/ATT and
> MSNTV which is essentially webTV development program in today's world.
> U-Verse should be operational by August/Septemeber of 2008. Why the
> enhanced
> video/TV drivers for Vista?
>
> You think I should uninstall this adapter will it be needed in the
> future
> for some of these up coming media developments?
> I guess I should since I can always reinstall. Is there any services for
> webTV for win98se currently operating?
> tia
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:u6plGe44IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> Google is your friend,
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:%23DRIM434IHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
>> > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
>>
>> Not surprising. I have never, nor do I know anyone who has ever used
> WebTV.
>>
>> > Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter
> in
>> > the Network components list is this a by product of an install of this
>> > webTV component in MSIEv.6?
>>
>> I believe it first appeared as part of the original Windows 98, but
>> common
>> sense dictates that it could have been a stand-alone developed on Win95
>> or
>> even an late-model 95 component. I dunno. It's not installed by default
>> in
> a
>> normal Win98 setup.
>>
>> >The Vista system is supposed to enhance the
>> > video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary
> for
>> > Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on
>> > like
> a
>> > dead alvin.
>>
>> Vista features you allude to are totally unrelated.
>>
>> Uninstall it.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
J

Jim

Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to
take care of. I initially said

First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.

Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a
response from another tinker out there.

Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region this
week.


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed
by
> default.
>
> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with www.webtv.com
> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included
in
> Win98).
>
> A TV tuner card can have two functions:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card
>
> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have no
> idea what's going on with www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's
been
> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth
squat).
>
>
> Jim wrote:
> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the
> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of www.webtv.com.
> >
> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected,
> > This
> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea
with
> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in
> > hope
> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list. Is
> > it
> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the
status
> > of
> > WebTV and where is it going today?
> >
> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by
default
> >> in
> >> Win98.)
> >>
> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?
> >>
> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with www.webtv.com?
> >> --
> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >>
> >> Jim wrote:
> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get
a
> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
> >>>
> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video adapter
> >>> in
> >>> the Network components list is this a by product of an install of
this
> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance
the
> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary
> >>> for
> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on
like
> >>> a
> >>> dead alvin.
>
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to
> take care of. I initially said
>
> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
>
> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a
> response from another tinker out there.
>
> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region this
> week.
>
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed
> by
>> default.
>>
>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with www.webtv.com
>> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included
> in
>> Win98).
>>
>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card
>>
>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have
>> no
>> idea what's going on with www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's
> been
>> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth
> squat).
>>
>>
>> Jim wrote:
>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of the
>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of www.webtv.com.
>> >
>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected,
>> > This
>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea
> with
>> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in
>> > hope
>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list.
>> > Is
>> > it
>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the
> status
>> > of
>> > WebTV and where is it going today?
>> >
>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by
> default
>> >> in
>> >> Win98.)
>> >>
>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?
>> >>
>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with
>> >> www.webtv.com?
>> >> --
>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>> >>
>> >> Jim wrote:
>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get
> a
>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
>> >>>
>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video
>> >>> adapter
>> >>> in
>> >>> the Network components list is this a by product of an install of
> this
>> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance
> the
>> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter
>> >>> necessary
>> >>> for
>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on
> like
>> >>> a
>> >>> dead alvin.
>>
>
>
 
J

Jim

Thanks Gary, btw here is an good article on the media services at Microsoft
aka once the WebTV program it is very good and current:
http://www.itvt.com/wvialitvtissue-7.91.html
Shari Barnett heads the Mediaroom at Microsoft.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to
> > take care of. I initially said
> >
> > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
> > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
> >
> > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a
> > response from another tinker out there.
> >
> > Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region
this
> > week.
> >
> >
> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not
installed
> > by
> >> default.
> >>
> >> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with
www.webtv.com
> >> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV
included
> > in
> >> Win98).
> >>
> >> A TV tuner card can have two functions:
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card
> >>
> >> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have
> >> no
> >> idea what's going on with www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's
> > been
> >> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth
> > squat).
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim wrote:
> >> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of
the
> >> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of www.webtv.com.
> >> >
> >> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it
connected,
> >> > This
> >> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea
> > with
> >> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine
in
> >> > hope
> >> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list.
> >> > Is
> >> > it
> >> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the
> > status
> >> > of
> >> > WebTV and where is it going today?
> >> >
> >> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by
> > default
> >> >> in
> >> >> Win98.)
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with
> >> >> www.webtv.com?
> >> >> --
> >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> >> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >> >>
> >> >> Jim wrote:
> >> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not
get
> > a
> >> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video
> >> >>> adapter
> >> >>> in
> >> >>> the Network components list is this a by product of an install of
> > this
> >> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance
> > the
> >> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter
> >> >>> necessary
> >> >>> for
> >> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on
> > like
> >> >>> a
> >> >>> dead alvin.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to "meld" the
two conversations. I simply added the Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the
WebTV group, although it is as PA Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no
relation to www.webtv.com, even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that
URL. WebTV for Win98 is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is
useless.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz to
>> take care of. I initially said
>>
>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
>>
>> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a
>> response from another tinker out there.
>>
>> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region this
>> week.
>>
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not installed
>> by
>>> default.
>>>
>>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with www.webtv.com
>>> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV included
>> in
>>> Win98).
>>>
>>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card
>>>
>>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I have
>>> no
>>> idea what's going on with www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's
>> been
>>> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth
>> squat).
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim wrote:
>>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of
>>> > the
>>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of www.webtv.com.
>>> >
>>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it connected,
>>> > This
>>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea
>> with
>>> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine in
>>> > hope
>>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components list.
>>> > Is
>>> > it
>>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the
>> status
>>> > of
>>> > WebTV and where is it going today?
>>> >
>>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by
>> default
>>> >> in
>>> >> Win98.)
>>> >>
>>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?
>>> >>
>>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with
>>> >> www.webtv.com?
>>> >> --
>>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>> >>
>>> >> Jim wrote:
>>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not
>>> >>> get
>> a
>>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video
>>> >>> adapter
>>> >>> in
>>> >>> the Network components list is this a by product of an install of
>> this
>>> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to enhance
>> the
>>> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter
>>> >>> necessary
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang on
>> like
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> dead alvin.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

That's outside of my sphere of competence, or interest, for that matter. I
just wanted to answer your puzzling question.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:uQAtRmR6IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Gary, btw here is an good article on the media services at
> Microsoft
> aka once the WebTV program it is very good and current:
> http://www.itvt.com/wvialitvtissue-7.91.html
> Shari Barnett heads the Mediaroom at Microsoft.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz
>> > to
>> > take care of. I initially said
>> >
>> > First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
>> > response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
>> >
>> > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a
>> > response from another tinker out there.
>> >
>> > Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region
> this
>> > week.
>> >
>> >
>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not
> installed
>> > by
>> >> default.
>> >>
>> >> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with
> www.webtv.com
>> >> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV
> included
>> > in
>> >> Win98).
>> >>
>> >> A TV tuner card can have two functions:
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card
>> >>
>> >> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I
>> >> have
>> >> no
>> >> idea what's going on with www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's
>> > been
>> >> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth
>> > squat).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jim wrote:
>> >> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of
> the
>> >> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of www.webtv.com.
>> >> >
>> >> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it
> connected,
>> >> > This
>> >> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea
>> > with
>> >> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine
> in
>> >> > hope
>> >> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components
>> >> > list.
>> >> > Is
>> >> > it
>> >> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the
>> > status
>> >> > of
>> >> > WebTV and where is it going today?
>> >> >
>> >> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by
>> > default
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> Win98.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with
>> >> >> www.webtv.com?
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> >> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> >> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> >> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jim wrote:
>> >> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not
> get
>> > a
>> >> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video
>> >> >>> adapter
>> >> >>> in
>> >> >>> the Network components list is this a by product of an install of
>> > this
>> >> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to
>> >> >>> enhance
>> > the
>> >> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter
>> >> >>> necessary
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang
>> >> >>> on
>> > like
>> >> >>> a
>> >> >>> dead alvin.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

The threads cannot be merged.

Jim wrote:
<snip>
> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a
> response from another tinker out there.
<snip>
 
J

Jim

I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were switching from
Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had to download every week
or so and when the ISP's began to offer the TV/Movie guide for all channels
in your area e.g. by zip code this idea went by the wayside. It really
needed to update itself on a weekly bases an now daily.

Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly because the
consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not want to buy the TV
tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, so many were lucky if they
had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill and then xp etc. It is a struggle to
keep pace for some of us or to afford the ISP on top. Is there a use for the
TV Tuner card in today's world?

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to "meld" the
> two conversations. I simply added the Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the
> WebTV group, although it is as PA Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has
no
> relation to www.webtv.com, even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that
> URL. WebTV for Win98 is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is
> useless.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS-MVP Shell/User
> > http://grystmill.com
> >
> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz
to
> >> take care of. I initially said
> >>
> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get a
> >> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
> >>
> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a
> >> response from another tinker out there.
> >>
> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region
this
> >> week.
> >>
> >>
> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not
installed
> >> by
> >>> default.
> >>>
> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with
www.webtv.com
> >>> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV
included
> >> in
> >>> Win98).
> >>>
> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card
> >>>
> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I
have
> >>> no
> >>> idea what's going on with www.webtv.com (other than the fact that it's
> >> been
> >>> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth
> >> squat).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jim wrote:
> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of
> >>> > the
> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of www.webtv.com.
> >>> >
> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it
connected,
> >>> > This
> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat idea
> >> with
> >>> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine
in
> >>> > hope
> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components
list.
> >>> > Is
> >>> > it
> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the
> >> status
> >>> > of
> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today?
> >>> >
> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by
> >> default
> >>> >> in
> >>> >> Win98.)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with
> >>> >> www.webtv.com?
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> >>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Jim wrote:
> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not
> >>> >>> get
> >> a
> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video
> >>> >>> adapter
> >>> >>> in
> >>> >>> the Network components list is this a by product of an install of
> >> this
> >>> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to
enhance
> >> the
> >>> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter
> >>> >>> necessary
> >>> >>> for
> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang
on
> >> like
> >>> >>> a
> >>> >>> dead alvin.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
 
J

Jim

It is working, but only for Gary and me. He replied and add it to the NG
list. I do see that button there and should have tried that myself and will
on this one reply. I don't know if the other guy figure it out though on
webtv NG. :) <g>

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%234ixMKS6IHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> The threads cannot be merged.
>
> Jim wrote:
> <snip>
> > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a
> > response from another tinker out there.
> <snip>
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

I'm not much into it, as I said, but the certainly sell such cards, with all
kinds of connectors. People can edit their own videos and play them on the
30' giant-wall-sized "tv" monitor, or use the computer as a TIVO decide, or
whatever.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=video+card+tv

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23l7eULS6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were switching from
> Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had to download every week
> or so and when the ISP's began to offer the TV/Movie guide for all
> channels
> in your area e.g. by zip code this idea went by the wayside. It really
> needed to update itself on a weekly bases an now daily.
>
> Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly because the
> consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not want to buy the TV
> tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, so many were lucky if they
> had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill and then xp etc. It is a struggle to
> keep pace for some of us or to afford the ISP on top. Is there a use for
> the
> TV Tuner card in today's world?
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to "meld" the
>> two conversations. I simply added the Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the
>> WebTV group, although it is as PA Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has
> no
>> relation to www.webtv.com, even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that
>> URL. WebTV for Win98 is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is
>> useless.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gary S. Terhune
>> > MS-MVP Shell/User
>> > http://grystmill.com
>> >
>> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other biz
> to
>> >> take care of. I initially said
>> >>
>> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not get
>> >> a
>> >> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
>> >>
>> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a
>> >> response from another tinker out there.
>> >>
>> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this region
> this
>> >> week.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not
> installed
>> >> by
>> >>> default.
>> >>>
>> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with
> www.webtv.com
>> >>> (which again has nothing to do with the application named WebTV
> included
>> >> in
>> >>> Win98).
>> >>>
>> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:
>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card
>> >>>
>> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher. I
> have
>> >>> no
>> >>> idea what's going on with www.webtv.com (other than the fact that
>> >>> it's
>> >> been
>> >>> available at some hotels where I've stayed and it didn't work worth
>> >> squat).
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Jim wrote:
>> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not aware of
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of www.webtv.com.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it
> connected,
>> >>> > This
>> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a neat
>> >>> > idea
>> >> with
>> >>> > minor disappointment above. I also implemented this on this machine
> in
>> >>> > hope
>> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network components
> list.
>> >>> > Is
>> >>> > it
>> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is the
>> >> status
>> >>> > of
>> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed by
>> >> default
>> >>> >> in
>> >>> >> Win98.)
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with
>> >>> >> www.webtv.com?
>> >>> >> --
>> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> >>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Jim wrote:
>> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not
>> >>> >>> get
>> >> a
>> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS TV/video
>> >>> >>> adapter
>> >>> >>> in
>> >>> >>> the Network components list is this a by product of an install
>> >>> >>> of
>> >> this
>> >>> >>> webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system is supposed to
> enhance
>> >> the
>> >>> >>> video experience with more advanced drivers. Is this adapter
>> >>> >>> necessary
>> >>> >>> for
>> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just hang
> on
>> >> like
>> >>> >>> a
>> >>> >>> dead alvin.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

You're wrong, what I did did not meld the two threads. It just made this one
visible in both NGs.

Why don't we just leave this in the WebTV group. It's not like you're having
problems or anything, you just want to engage in a discussion of the
technology... But I don't see anyone in the Win98.General Discussion group
that shares your interest. Your technical question has been answered. Win98
WebTV is dead and obsolete and as far as I know can't be used for anything.

Replies to this post should only go to the WebTV group. (Unless I've
forgotten what "Followup-to" does.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:OWD2YWS6IHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> It is working, but only for Gary and me. He replied and add it to the NG
> list. I do see that button there and should have tried that myself and
> will
> on this one reply. I don't know if the other guy figure it out though on
> webtv NG. :) <g>
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%234ixMKS6IHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> The threads cannot be merged.
>>
>> Jim wrote:
>> <snip>
>> > Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally got a
>> > response from another tinker out there.
>> <snip>
>
>
 
P

PCR

Jim wrote:
| I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were
| switching from Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had to
| download every week or so and when the ISP's began to offer the
| TV/Movie guide for all channels in your area e.g. by zip code this
| idea went by the wayside. It really needed to update itself on a
| weekly bases an now daily.
|
| Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly
| because the consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not want
| to buy the TV tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, so many
| were lucky if they had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill and then xp
| etc. It is a struggle to keep pace for some of us or to afford the
| ISP on top. Is there a use for the TV Tuner card in today's world?

If you've been toying with all that, best check for a file named
"Logit.txt"... "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt". That is a monster
log created by the Browser Helper Object (BHO) called "Wavehelper Class"
which is created by Wavetop. If uninstalling Wavetop doesn't rid you of
the BHO, here are 3rd party apps that will...

http://www.definitivesolutions.com/ BHODemon
This one was free last I knew. It renames the BHO executable & can
"undo" that.

http://www.pcmag.com/ 's BHOCop removes a BHO's Registry entries & can
"undo" that. "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

http://www.whatthetech.com/hijackthis/
HijackThis, I believe, can do it too. But be sure to read its
instructions & cautions carefully.

| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to
|> "meld" the two conversations. I simply added the
|> Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the WebTV group, although it is as PA
|> Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no relation to www.webtv.com,
|> even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that URL. WebTV for Win98
|> is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is useless.
|>
|> --
|> Gary S. Terhune
|> MS-MVP Shell/User
|> http://grystmill.com
|>
|> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.
|> >
|> > --
|> > Gary S. Terhune
|> > MS-MVP Shell/User
|> > http://grystmill.com
|> >
|> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
|> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other
|> >> biz to take care of. I initially said
|> >>
|> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not
|> >> get a response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
|> >>
|> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally
|> >> got a response from another tinker out there.
|> >>
|> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this
|> >> region this week.
|> >>
|> >>
|> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
|> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not
|> >>> installed by default.
|> >>>
|> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with
|> >>> www.webtv.com (which again has nothing to do with the
|> >>> application named WebTV included in Win98).
|> >>>
|> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:
|> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card
|> >>>
|> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher.
|> >>> I have no
|> >>> idea what's going on with www.webtv.com (other than the fact
|> >>> that it's been available at some hotels where I've stayed and it
|> >>> didn't work worth squat).
|> >>>
|> >>>
|> >>> Jim wrote:
|> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not
|> >>> > aware of the
|> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of
|> >>> > www.webtv.com.
|> >>> >
|> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it
|> >>> > connected, This
|> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a
|> >>> > neat idea with minor disappointment above. I also implemented
|> >>> > this on this machine in hope
|> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network
|> >>> > components list. Is
|> >>> > it
|> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is
|> >>> > the status of
|> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today?
|> >>> >
|> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
|> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed
|> >>> >> by default in
|> >>> >> Win98.)
|> >>> >>
|> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?
|> >>> >>
|> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with
|> >>> >> www.webtv.com?
|> >>> >> --
|> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
|> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since
|> >>> >> 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
|> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
|> >>> >>
|> >>> >> Jim wrote:
|> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I
|> >>> >>> did not get
|> >> a
|> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
|> >>> >>>
|> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS
|> >>> >>> TV/video adapter
|> >>> >>> in
|> >>> >>> the Network components list is this a by product of an
|> >>> >>> install of this webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system
|> >>> >>> is supposed to enhance the video experience with more
|> >>> >>> advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary
|> >>> >>> for
|> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just
|> >>> >>> hang on like a
|> >>> >>> dead alvin.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
J

Jim

Hi, thanks for sharing that with us.
I found that BHO in HJT but had decided to leave it. I note the & "UNDO IT".
Are you implying that there are problems with using HJT to "Fix it" in the
event that the user might want to reinstall Wavetop? Is there any use for
this technology anymore? If I use HJT to fix this problem there is backup.
If I decided for some reason to reinstall Wavetop or any part of WebTV98
[because of its broadcast architecture] will using HJT cause me to have to
reinstate that particular backup?
I found "Logit.txt" also.

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:O8SEHBg6IHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Jim wrote:
> | I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were
> | switching from Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had to
> | download every week or so and when the ISP's began to offer the
> | TV/Movie guide for all channels in your area e.g. by zip code this
> | idea went by the wayside. It really needed to update itself on a
> | weekly bases an now daily.
> |
> | Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly
> | because the consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not want
> | to buy the TV tuner card. Computers were expensive back then, so many
> | were lucky if they had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill and then xp
> | etc. It is a struggle to keep pace for some of us or to afford the
> | ISP on top. Is there a use for the TV Tuner card in today's world?
>
> If you've been toying with all that, best check for a file named
> "Logit.txt"... "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt". That is a monster
> log created by the Browser Helper Object (BHO) called "Wavehelper Class"
> which is created by Wavetop. If uninstalling Wavetop doesn't rid you of
> the BHO, here are 3rd party apps that will...
>
> http://www.definitivesolutions.com/ BHODemon
> This one was free last I knew. It renames the BHO executable & can
> "undo" that.
>
> http://www.pcmag.com/ 's BHOCop removes a BHO's Registry entries & can
> "undo" that. "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?
>
> http://www.whatthetech.com/hijackthis/
> HijackThis, I believe, can do it too. But be sure to read its
> instructions & cautions carefully.
>
> | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> |> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to
> |> "meld" the two conversations. I simply added the
> |> Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the WebTV group, although it is as PA
> |> Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no relation to www.webtv.com,
> |> even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that URL. WebTV for Win98
> |> is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is useless.
> |>
> |> --
> |> Gary S. Terhune
> |> MS-MVP Shell/User
> |> http://grystmill.com
> |>
> |> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> |> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> |> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.
> |> >
> |> > --
> |> > Gary S. Terhune
> |> > MS-MVP Shell/User
> |> > http://grystmill.com
> |> >
> |> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> |> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> |> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and other
> |> >> biz to take care of. I initially said
> |> >>
> |> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did not
> |> >> get a response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
> |> >>
> |> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally
> |> >> got a response from another tinker out there.
> |> >>
> |> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this
> |> >> region this week.
> |> >>
> |> >>
> |> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> |> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not
> |> >>> installed by default.
> |> >>>
> |> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with
> |> >>> www.webtv.com (which again has nothing to do with the
> |> >>> application named WebTV included in Win98).
> |> >>>
> |> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:
> |> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card
> |> >>>
> |> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or higher.
> |> >>> I have no
> |> >>> idea what's going on with www.webtv.com (other than the fact
> |> >>> that it's been available at some hotels where I've stayed and it
> |> >>> didn't work worth squat).
> |> >>>
> |> >>>
> |> >>> Jim wrote:
> |> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not
> |> >>> > aware of the
> |> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of
> |> >>> > www.webtv.com.
> |> >>> >
> |> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it
> |> >>> > connected, This
> |> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a
> |> >>> > neat idea with minor disappointment above. I also implemented
> |> >>> > this on this machine in hope
> |> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network
> |> >>> > components list. Is
> |> >>> > it
> |> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What is
> |> >>> > the status of
> |> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today?
> |> >>> >
> |> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> |> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> |> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not installed
> |> >>> >> by default in
> |> >>> >> Win98.)
> |> >>> >>
> |> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?
> |> >>> >>
> |> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with
> |> >>> >> www.webtv.com?
> |> >>> >> --
> |> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> |> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since
> |> >>> >> 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> |> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> |> >>> >>
> |> >>> >> Jim wrote:
> |> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I
> |> >>> >>> did not get
> |> >> a
> |> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
> |> >>> >>>
> |> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS
> |> >>> >>> TV/video adapter
> |> >>> >>> in
> |> >>> >>> the Network components list is this a by product of an
> |> >>> >>> install of this webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista system
> |> >>> >>> is supposed to enhance the video experience with more
> |> >>> >>> advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary
> |> >>> >>> for
> |> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to just
> |> >>> >>> hang on like a
> |> >>> >>> dead alvin.
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
 
P

PCR

Jim wrote:
| Hi, thanks for sharing that with us.
| I found that BHO in HJT but had decided to leave it. I note the &
| "UNDO IT". Are you implying that there are problems with using HJT to
| "Fix it" in the event that the user might want to reinstall Wavetop?
| Is there any use for this technology anymore? If I use HJT to fix
| this problem there is backup. If I decided for some reason to
| reinstall Wavetop or any part of WebTV98 [because of its broadcast
| architecture] will using HJT cause me to have to reinstate that
| particular backup?
| I found "Logit.txt" also.

What is the date of your Logit.txt? Is it continuing to fill
uncontrollably with error messages like mine was? If so, removing the
BHO will solve that. It has never caused me a problem to have done that
that I can detect or recollect. I'm not sure whether it was Explorer or
IE that was putting the error messages in there, but probably it was IE
(Wavetop is one of its Favorites). Open both to see whether Logit.txt
will grow.

Wavetop appears to do with that WEB TV the others are saying is
defunct...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/232285/en-us
WaveTop 2.0 May Not Detect TV Tuner Card

Other than that, I really can't say whether you will ever need it or
whether reinstalling Wavetop will reinstall the BHO. Uninstalling
Wavetop, however, did not uninstall the BHO so... ???.

If your Logit.txt is not filled with error messages or doesn't continue
to grow, I guess you can probably keep the BHO, though-- IF you are
squeamish about killing it.

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:O8SEHBg6IHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> Jim wrote:
|> | I had the users Guide up and running years ago and they were
|> | switching from Gemstar to Zap2it or something. Anyway the user had
|> | to download every week or so and when the ISP's began to offer the
|> | TV/Movie guide for all channels in your area e.g. by zip code this
|> | idea went by the wayside. It really needed to update itself on a
|> | weekly bases an now daily.
|> |
|> | Wavephore/Wavetop for all the power thinkers there did not fly
|> | because the consumers were not smart enough to rig it or did not
|> | want to buy the TV tuner card. Computers were expensive back then,
|> | so many were lucky if they had a 95B upgradeable or a 98/2k/mill
|> | and then xp etc. It is a struggle to keep pace for some of us or
|> | to afford the ISP on top. Is there a use for the TV Tuner card in
|> | today's world?
|>
|> If you've been toying with all that, best check for a file named
|> "Logit.txt"... "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt". That is a
|> monster log created by the Browser Helper Object (BHO) called
|> "Wavehelper Class" which is created by Wavetop. If uninstalling
|> Wavetop doesn't rid you of the BHO, here are 3rd party apps that
|> will...
|>
|> http://www.definitivesolutions.com/ BHODemon
|> This one was free last I knew. It renames the BHO executable & can
|> "undo" that.
|>
|> http://www.pcmag.com/ 's BHOCop removes a BHO's Registry entries &
|> can "undo" that. "START button, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?
|>
|> http://www.whatthetech.com/hijackthis/
|> HijackThis, I believe, can do it too. But be sure to read its
|> instructions & cautions carefully.
|>
|> | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|> | news:eMBVbpR6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> |> Sorry, that was for instructional purposes. There is no way to
|> |> "meld" the two conversations. I simply added the
|> |> Win98.Gen_Discussion thread to the WebTV group, although it is as
|> |> PA Bear said: The WebTV of Windows 98 has no relation to
|> |> www.webtv.com, even though Win98's WebTV once *did* own that URL.
|> |> WebTV for Win98 is dead and to my knowledge, every part of it is
|> |> useless.
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Gary S. Terhune
|> |> MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> http://grystmill.com
|> |>
|> |> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|> |> news:egX2QiR6IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> > The thread has now been cross-posted from this point on.
|> |> >
|> |> > --
|> |> > Gary S. Terhune
|> |> > MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> > http://grystmill.com
|> |> >
|> |> > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
|> |> > news:%23ZxbbTO6IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> >> Sorry for slow turnaround here...I had a lot of reading and
|> |> >> other biz to take care of. I initially said
|> |> >>
|> |> >> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I did
|> |> >> not get a response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
|> |> >>
|> |> >> Do you know how to bring these two into a crosspost? I finally
|> |> >> got a response from another tinker out there.
|> |> >>
|> |> >> Also note, see the AT&T U-Verse system is starting up in this
|> |> >> region this week.
|> |> >>
|> |> >>
|> |> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
|> |> >> news:%23gH%23gG64IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> >>> The application named WebTV is included in Win98 but it is not
|> |> >>> installed by default.
|> |> >>>
|> |> >>> Your friend's "webTV" box was the hardware associated with
|> |> >>> www.webtv.com (which again has nothing to do with the
|> |> >>> application named WebTV included in Win98).
|> |> >>>
|> |> >>> A TV tuner card can have two functions:
|> |> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card
|> |> >>>
|> |> >>> The application named WebTV is not included in WinXP or
|> |> >>> higher. I have no
|> |> >>> idea what's going on with www.webtv.com (other than the fact
|> |> >>> that it's been available at some hotels where I've stayed and
|> |> >>> it didn't work worth squat).
|> |> >>>
|> |> >>>
|> |> >>> Jim wrote:
|> |> >>> > I am running win98se without a TV tuner card and I was not
|> |> >>> > aware of the
|> |> >>> > relationship of webTV in win98+ or the existence of
|> |> >>> > www.webtv.com.
|> |> >>> >
|> |> >>> > I had a friend who had a webTV box, but we could not get it
|> |> >>> > connected, This
|> |> >>> > was sometime ago in early 2k+1 or 2. At that time it was a
|> |> >>> > neat idea with minor disappointment above. I also
|> |> >>> > implemented this on this machine in hope
|> |> >>> > of helping him. This adapter is still in the network
|> |> >>> > components list. Is
|> |> >>> > it
|> |> >>> > necessary for other functions such as streaming video? What
|> |> >>> > is the status of
|> |> >>> > WebTV and where is it going today?
|> |> >>> >
|> |> >>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
|> |> >>> > news:e5XTrW44IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> >>> >> Are you running Win98 or Vista? (IIRC WebTV is not
|> |> >>> >> installed by default in
|> |> >>> >> Win98.)
|> |> >>> >>
|> |> >>> >> Do you have a TV tuner card installed?
|> |> >>> >>
|> |> >>> >> Are you aware that WebTV in Win98 has nothing to do with
|> |> >>> >> www.webtv.com?
|> |> >>> >> --
|> |> >>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
|> |> >>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience -
|> |> >>> >> since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
|> |> >>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
|> |> >>> >>
|> |> >>> >> Jim wrote:
|> |> >>> >>> First, please forgive the multipost after several days. I
|> |> >>> >>> did not get
|> |> >> a
|> |> >>> >>> response in NG: microsoft.public.win98.webtv.
|> |> >>> >>>
|> |> >>> >>> Does anybody use the WebTV features of win98+? The MS
|> |> >>> >>> TV/video adapter
|> |> >>> >>> in
|> |> >>> >>> the Network components list is this a by product of an
|> |> >>> >>> install of this webTV component in MSIEv.6? The Vista
|> |> >>> >>> system is supposed to enhance the video experience with
|> |> >>> >>> more advanced drivers. Is this adapter necessary
|> |> >>> >>> for
|> |> >>> >>> Internet streaming video in today's world? It seems to
|> |> >>> >>> just hang on like a
|> |> >>> >>> dead alvin.
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
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