webTV adapter

Jim · Jul 21, 2008

Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current date/time
and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that removing a BHO
from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the future if I have any
need of it.

Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back channel?
Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a transmitter...I wonder
where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?

PCR · Jul 22, 2008

Jim wrote:
| Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current
| date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that
| removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the
| future if I have any need of it.

Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the
MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless Terhune
has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another
hibernation.

| Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back
| channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a
| transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?

I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that
ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together...

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx
Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98
WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of Windows
98 Open Broadcast Architecture

I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't
have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place,
anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for
anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's undo
to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you discover to be
useful.

Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still mention
Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Gary S. Terhune · Jul 22, 2008

What's a Wave Phor?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Jim wrote:
> | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current
> | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that
> | removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the
> | future if I have any need of it.
>
> Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the
> MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless Terhune
> has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another
> hibernation.
>
> | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back
> | channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a
> | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?
>
> I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that
> ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together...
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx
> Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98
> WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of Windows
> 98 Open Broadcast Architecture
>
> I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't
> have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place,
> anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for
> anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's undo
> to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you discover to be
> useful.
>
> Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still mention
> Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm!
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

Jim · Jul 23, 2008

Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a
system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical
blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast band.
They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to thru webTV
and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content of fairly high
quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of the1990's internet
development. All the service of an ISP less the ISP using just an TV antenna
and TV Tuner card. It was free see. Support was through advertising to the
users like Excite and many others. The original internet users being
computer scientists and engineers were not particularly interested in Ads
only communication and assurance.
"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> What's a Wave Phor?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > Jim wrote:
> > | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current
> > | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that
> > | removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the
> > | future if I have any need of it.
> >
> > Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the
> > MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless Terhune
> > has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another
> > hibernation.
> >
> > | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back
> > | channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a
> > | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?
> >
> > I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that
> > ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together...
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx
> > Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98
> > WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of Windows
> > 98 Open Broadcast Architecture
> >
> > I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't
> > have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place,
> > anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for
> > anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's undo
> > to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you discover to be
> > useful.
> >
> > Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still mention
> > Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks or Good Luck,
> > There may be humor in this post, and,
> > Naturally, you will not sue,
> > Should things get worse after this,
> > PCR
> > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> >
> >
>
>

PCR · Jul 23, 2008

Jim wrote:
| Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a
| system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical
| blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast
| band. They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to
| thru webTV and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content
| of fairly high quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of
| the1990's internet development. All the service of an ISP less the
| ISP using just an TV antenna and TV Tuner card. It was free see.
| Support was through advertising to the users like Excite and many
| others. The original internet users being computer scientists and
| engineers were not particularly interested in Ads only communication
| and assurance.

Looks like Terhune still had a toe left for a poodle to tug him out!
Thanks for sparing me hours of study to answer his trick question!

That's an impressive technology, sounds like. Sounds like it would have
been a one-way communication, though, just like TV. Had it not already
done so, sounds like it might have become defunct anyhow with the
looming demise of analog TV. HDTV requires a different antenna &
possibly has eliminated or otherwise made use of the VBI. That could
explain the secret channels I now get on my Vizio VW37L. Thanks for that
synopsis. Some of the URLs some have posted are huge & tough to figure.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> What's a Wave Phor?
|>
|> --
|> Gary S. Terhune
|> MS-MVP Shell/User
|> http://grystmill.com
|>
|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> > Jim wrote:
|> > | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current
|> > | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe
|> > | that removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any
|> > | problem in the future if I have any need of it.
|> >
|> > Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of
|> > the MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision,
|> > unless Terhune has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear
|> > entered another hibernation.
|> >
|> > | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the
|> > | back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a
|> > | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?
|> >
|> > I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article
|> > that ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together...
|> >
|> > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx
|> > Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98
|> > WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of
|> > Windows 98 Open Broadcast Architecture
|> >
|> > I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you
|> > don't have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first
|> > place, anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are
|> > useful for anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use
|> > HiJackThis's undo to get back what you've removed, if that's the
|> > part you discover to be useful.
|> >
|> > Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still
|> > mention Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm!
|> >
|> >
|> > --
|> > Thanks or Good Luck,
|> > There may be humor in this post, and,
|> > Naturally, you will not sue,
|> > Should things get worse after this,
|> > PCR
|> > pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PCR · Jul 23, 2008

Gary S. Terhune · Jul 23, 2008

Oh, man!!! You made me have to wake up to read that. But now that's over, so
it's back to the couch for me.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23edooAQ7IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a
> system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical
> blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast
> band.
> They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to thru webTV
> and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content of fairly high
> quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of the1990's internet
> development. All the service of an ISP less the ISP using just an TV
> antenna
> and TV Tuner card. It was free see. Support was through advertising to the
> users like Excite and many others. The original internet users being
> computer scientists and engineers were not particularly interested in Ads
> only communication and assurance.
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> What's a Wave Phor?
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> > Jim wrote:
>> > | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current
>> > | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that
>> > | removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in the
>> > | future if I have any need of it.
>> >
>> > Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the
>> > MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless
>> > Terhune
>> > has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another
>> > hibernation.
>> >
>> > | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back
>> > | channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a
>> > | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?
>> >
>> > I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that
>> > ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together...
>> >
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx
>> > Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98
>> > WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of Windows
>> > 98 Open Broadcast Architecture
>> >
>> > I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't
>> > have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place,
>> > anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for
>> > anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's
>> > undo
>> > to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you discover to be
>> > useful.
>> >
>> > Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still mention
>> > Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm!
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Thanks or Good Luck,
>> > There may be humor in this post, and,
>> > Naturally, you will not sue,
>> > Should things get worse after this,
>> > PCR
>> > pcrrcp@netzero.net
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Bill in Co. · Jul 23, 2008

PCR wrote:
> Jim wrote:
>> Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a
>> system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical
>> blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast
>> band. They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to
>> thru webTV and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content
>> of fairly high quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of
>> the1990's internet development. All the service of an ISP less the
>> ISP using just an TV antenna and TV Tuner card. It was free see.
>> Support was through advertising to the users like Excite and many
>> others. The original internet users being computer scientists and
>> engineers were not particularly interested in Ads only communication
>> and assurance.
>
> Looks like Terhune still had a toe left for a poodle to tug him out!
> Thanks for sparing me hours of study to answer his trick question!
>
> That's an impressive technology, sounds like. Sounds like it would have
> been a one-way communication, though, just like TV. Had it not already
> done so, sounds like it might have become defunct anyhow with the
> looming demise of analog TV. HDTV requires a different antenna &
> possibly has eliminated or otherwise made use of the VBI. That could
> explain the secret channels I now get on my Vizio VW37L. Thanks for that
> synopsis. Some of the URLs some have posted are huge & tough to figure.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>> news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> What's a Wave Phor?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>
>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Jim wrote:
>>>> <snip>.
>>>>
>>>>> Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the
>>>>> back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a
>>>>> transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?

An antenna does NOT "act as a receiver or a transmitter". These are three
completely different entitities.

If you mean, however, that an ANTENNA can "pick up" radio waves (and then
needs to be connected to a RECEIVER), or that it can "transmit radio waves"
(IF and only if it is connected to a TRANSMITTER), at least THAT makes
sense.

Gary S. Terhune · Jul 23, 2008

I KNEW you'd be along to correct that one, <g>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eqVUWIT7IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> PCR wrote:
>> Jim wrote:
>>> Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a
>>> system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical
>>> blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast
>>> band. They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to
>>> thru webTV and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content
>>> of fairly high quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of
>>> the1990's internet development. All the service of an ISP less the
>>> ISP using just an TV antenna and TV Tuner card. It was free see.
>>> Support was through advertising to the users like Excite and many
>>> others. The original internet users being computer scientists and
>>> engineers were not particularly interested in Ads only communication
>>> and assurance.
>>
>> Looks like Terhune still had a toe left for a poodle to tug him out!
>> Thanks for sparing me hours of study to answer his trick question!
>>
>> That's an impressive technology, sounds like. Sounds like it would have
>> been a one-way communication, though, just like TV. Had it not already
>> done so, sounds like it might have become defunct anyhow with the
>> looming demise of analog TV. HDTV requires a different antenna &
>> possibly has eliminated or otherwise made use of the VBI. That could
>> explain the secret channels I now get on my Vizio VW37L. Thanks for that
>> synopsis. Some of the URLs some have posted are huge & tough to figure.
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>> news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> What's a Wave Phor?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Jim wrote:
>>>>> <snip>.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the
>>>>>> back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a
>>>>>> transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?
>
> An antenna does NOT "act as a receiver or a transmitter". These are
> three completely different entitities.
>
> If you mean, however, that an ANTENNA can "pick up" radio waves (and then
> needs to be connected to a RECEIVER), or that it can "transmit radio
> waves" (IF and only if it is connected to a TRANSMITTER), at least THAT
> makes sense.
>

Jim · Jul 24, 2008

I guess I shouild have said it meant [surfing whore].
"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ehW92vR7IHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> | What's a Wave Phor?
>
> LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but Jim
> has saved me!
>
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | http://grystmill.com
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |> Jim wrote:
> |> | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were current
> |> | date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not believe that
> |> | removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause any problem in
> |> | the future if I have any need of it.
> |>
> |> Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of the
> |> MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision, unless
> |> Terhune has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear entered another
> |> hibernation.
> |>
> |> | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the back
> |> | channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a
> |> | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?
> |>
> |> I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article that
> |> ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together...
> |>
> |> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx
> |> Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98
> |> WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of
> |> Windows 98 Open Broadcast Architecture
> |>
> |> I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you don't
> |> have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the first place,
> |> anyhow. I just hope none of the various components are useful for
> |> anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply use HiJackThis's
> |> undo to get back what you've removed, if that's the part you
> |> discover to be useful.
> |>
> |> Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still
> |> mention Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm!
> |>
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

Jim · Jul 24, 2008

That is what I meant. Sorry, I thought that was clear to the reader.

Also, to add they would have to have the MAC address and some form of
hash\hasked verification similar to the handshake type used at AT&T and
there are both digital\analog TV Tuner cards.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eqVUWIT7IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> PCR wrote:
> > Jim wrote:
> >> Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of a
> >> system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI [vertical
> >> blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of its broadcast
> >> band. They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton that were going to
> >> thru webTV and the WavePhore system offer basic free internet content
> >> of fairly high quality without an ISP...go figure! The thrust of
> >> the1990's internet development. All the service of an ISP less the
> >> ISP using just an TV antenna and TV Tuner card. It was free see.
> >> Support was through advertising to the users like Excite and many
> >> others. The original internet users being computer scientists and
> >> engineers were not particularly interested in Ads only communication
> >> and assurance.
> >
> > Looks like Terhune still had a toe left for a poodle to tug him out!
> > Thanks for sparing me hours of study to answer his trick question!
> >
> > That's an impressive technology, sounds like. Sounds like it would have
> > been a one-way communication, though, just like TV. Had it not already
> > done so, sounds like it might have become defunct anyhow with the
> > looming demise of analog TV. HDTV requires a different antenna &
> > possibly has eliminated or otherwise made use of the VBI. That could
> > explain the secret channels I now get on my Vizio VW37L. Thanks for that
> > synopsis. Some of the URLs some have posted are huge & tough to figure.
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> >> news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >>> What's a Wave Phor?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gary S. Terhune
> >>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> >>> http://grystmill.com
> >>>
> >>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>>> Jim wrote:
> >>>> <snip>.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the
> >>>>> back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a
> >>>>> transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?
>
> An antenna does NOT "act as a receiver or a transmitter". These are
three
> completely different entitities.
>
> If you mean, however, that an ANTENNA can "pick up" radio waves (and then
> needs to be connected to a RECEIVER), or that it can "transmit radio
waves"
> (IF and only if it is connected to a TRANSMITTER), at least THAT makes
> sense.
>
>

Gary S. Terhune · Jul 24, 2008

I dunno... Surfing, with all those boxes of electronics and antennas? Sounds
like a technology that was never going to fly, -)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23omz85Z7IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I guess I shouild have said it meant [surfing whore].
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:ehW92vR7IHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> | What's a Wave Phor?
>>
>> LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but Jim
>> has saved me!
>>
>> | --
>> | Gary S. Terhune
>> | MS-MVP Shell/User
>> | http://grystmill.com

Jim · Jul 24, 2008

no, no, no the point is this predated the wi-fi and was similar only using a
TV signal band. It works. Only too few people either used it or their costs
there became prohibitive.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23y0EHvb7IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> I dunno... Surfing, with all those boxes of electronics and antennas?
Sounds
> like a technology that was never going to fly, -)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23omz85Z7IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >I guess I shouild have said it meant [surfing whore].
> > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > news:ehW92vR7IHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> >> | What's a Wave Phor?
> >>
> >> LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but Jim
> >> has saved me!
> >>
> >> | --
> >> | Gary S. Terhune
> >> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> >> | http://grystmill.com
>
>

Gary S. Terhune · Jul 24, 2008

A joke, son. It was a joke! Just like my original question: "What's a Wave
Phor?" (Intentionally misspelled the last word, even.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:%231GZ5Td7IHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> no, no, no the point is this predated the wi-fi and was similar only using
> a
> TV signal band. It works. Only too few people either used it or their
> costs
> there became prohibitive.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:%23y0EHvb7IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> I dunno... Surfing, with all those boxes of electronics and antennas?
> Sounds
>> like a technology that was never going to fly, -)
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:%23omz85Z7IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >I guess I shouild have said it meant [surfing whore].
>> > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> > news:ehW92vR7IHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> >> | What's a Wave Phor?
>> >>
>> >> LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but Jim
>> >> has saved me!
>> >>
>> >> | --
>> >> | Gary S. Terhune
>> >> | MS-MVP Shell/User
>> >> | http://grystmill.com
>>
>>
>
>

PCR · Jul 24, 2008

Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
|> Jim wrote:
|>> Phore:Means bearer translated from Greek. Wavephore was the name of
|>> a system/company that was to be implemented by PBS in the VBI
|>> [vertical blanking interval] which is in the peaks and valleys of
|>> its broadcast band. They had a few profs from Yale and Princeton
|>> that were going to thru webTV and the WavePhore system offer basic
|>> free internet content of fairly high quality without an ISP...go
|>> figure! The thrust of the1990's internet development. All the
|>> service of an ISP less the ISP using just an TV antenna and TV
|>> Tuner card. It was free see. Support was through advertising to the
|>> users like Excite and many others. The original internet users
|>> being computer scientists and engineers were not particularly
|>> interested in Ads only communication and assurance.
|>
|> Looks like Terhune still had a toe left for a poodle to tug him out!
|> Thanks for sparing me hours of study to answer his trick question!
|>
|> That's an impressive technology, sounds like. Sounds like it would
|> have been a one-way communication, though, just like TV. Had it not
|> already done so, sounds like it might have become defunct anyhow
|> with the looming demise of analog TV. HDTV requires a different
|> antenna & possibly has eliminated or otherwise made use of the VBI.
|> That could explain the secret channels I now get on my Vizio VW37L.
|> Thanks for that synopsis. Some of the URLs some have posted are huge
|> & tough to figure.
|>
|> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|>> news:etzjWhH7IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|>>> What's a Wave Phor?
|>>>
|>>> --
|>>> Gary S. Terhune
|>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
|>>> http://grystmill.com
|>>>
|>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|>>> news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|>>>> Jim wrote:
|>>>> <snip>.
|>>>>
|>>>>> Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the
|>>>>> back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a
|>>>>> transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?
|
| An antenna does NOT "act as a receiver or a transmitter". These
| are three completely different entitities.
|
| If you mean, however, that an ANTENNA can "pick up" radio waves (and
| then needs to be connected to a RECEIVER), or that it can "transmit
| radio waves" (IF and only if it is connected to a TRANSMITTER), at
| least THAT makes sense.

Alright. But I didn't want to do the research just to speak
knowledgeably on a defunct technology. I was just guessing Wavephore,
Wavetop, & WEB TV (the original one) all might become defunct (if they
already weren't) when broadcast TV switched to HDTV for one reason or
another, be it the antenna difference or some other difference. But I
see by Jim's word it might have continued to work with digital
broadcasts too after switching to a digital receiver. OK, fine. It was a
wonderful concept. Too bad it's gone.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PCR · Jul 24, 2008

Jim wrote:
| I guess I shouild have said it meant [surfing whore].

I think Terhune would already know if it meant that.

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ehW92vR7IHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> | What's a Wave Phor?
|>
|> LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but Jim
|> has saved me!
|>
|> | --
|> | Gary S. Terhune
|> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | http://grystmill.com
|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:eTraFLF7IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> Jim wrote:
|> |> | Thanks, I just zapped them both. The only logs I saw were
|> |> | current date/time and I guess there were some errors. I do not
|> |> | believe that removing a BHO from a cabinet component will cause
|> |> | any problem in the future if I have any need of it.
|> |>
|> |> Very good. I haven't missed mine yet. And I haven't heard any of
|> |> the MVPs complain. Therefore, you've made the right decision,
|> |> unless Terhune has fallen into another earthquake & PA Bear
|> |> entered another hibernation.
|> |>
|> |> | Did you ever get the WavePhore stuff working and what was the
|> |> | back channel? Certainly an antenna can act as a reciever and a
|> |> | transmitter...I wonder where this went when the Wi-Fi got going?
|> |>
|> |> I don't know a lot about it, I'm afraid. Here is another article
|> |> that ties WEB TV, Wavephore & Wavetop all together...
|> |>
|> |> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/oct97/wavphopr.mspx
|> |> Microsoft to Include WavePhore's WaveTop Software in Windows 98
|> |> WaveTop Is the First Data Broadcast Service to Build On Top of
|> |> Windows 98 Open Broadcast Architecture
|> |>
|> |> I guess all the parts are defunct, if one part is. And, if you
|> |> don't have an antenna, looks like it never would work in the
|> |> first place, anyhow. I just hope none of the various components
|> |> are useful for anything else. But, if so, you know you can simply
|> |> use HiJackThis's undo to get back what you've removed, if that's
|> |> the part you discover to be useful.
|> |>
|> |> Looks like I still, myself, have a few registry keys that still
|> |> mention Wavephore & Wavetop-- & even mention Logit.txt! Hmmmm!
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Jim · Jul 24, 2008

That's ok.
I thought it was an interesting topic and one of the many attributes that
win98 had that very few adventured too. The guys who came up with the idea
were sharp, but the public was slow and had to be spoon fed the goodies from
Microsoft in a digestible manner, which means at the idiot proof level.

I still wonder what you can do with this TV Tuner card technology, and is it
worth picking one up. The idea of WebTV in a television set or even with the
auxiliary unit is not a bad idea given server farms out there dedicated to
servicing the system. The U-Verse system that AT&T is pushing uses FTTN and
has in this system protocols like IGMP(see Wiki) it is IP and not TV tuner
related, but it is a high speed video system using IPMulticast.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:eyb3AFe7IHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> A joke, son. It was a joke! Just like my original question: "What's a Wave
> Phor?" (Intentionally misspelled the last word, even.)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%231GZ5Td7IHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > no, no, no the point is this predated the wi-fi and was similar only
using
> > a
> > TV signal band. It works. Only too few people either used it or their
> > costs
> > there became prohibitive.
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> > news:%23y0EHvb7IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> I dunno... Surfing, with all those boxes of electronics and antennas?
> > Sounds
> >> like a technology that was never going to fly, -)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary S. Terhune
> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
> >> http://grystmill.com
> >>
> >> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:%23omz85Z7IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >I guess I shouild have said it meant [surfing whore].
> >> > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:ehW92vR7IHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> >> >> | What's a Wave Phor?
> >> >>
> >> >> LOL! I was about to undergo a three week study for an answer, but
Jim
> >> >> has saved me!
> >> >>
> >> >> | --
> >> >> | Gary S. Terhune
> >> >> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> >> >> | http://grystmill.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Dan · Jul 26, 2008

Re: webTV adapter and Windows 9x and NT

I agree completely with Gary's look at the situation. If you want support
for the latest technology then buy the latest operating system. An example
of this would be playing Itunes which works with Windows XP but Windows 98
Second Edition is too old for Apple to bother supporting anymore.

The nice thing about Windows 98 Second Edition imo, is DOS, compatibility
with old DOS games and software and Windows 3.1 software, internal saftety
(according to Chris Quirke, MVP), etc. Windows 98 Second Edition also
provides a nice-stand-alone user experience and has 9x source code which I
just love and think is so sweet.

When, my VPN was hacked in XP Professional the operating system got hosed
but 98 Second Edition rode it out like a champ and was not compromised
although it was exposed even longer than XP Professional to the compromised
APS intranet in 2007.

The thing is that Windows XP just likes to give out lots of information
compared to 98 Second Edition which enjoys retaining data and doesn't just
give out as much data. The services provided in 98 Second Edition are much
less so the attack surface area is much smaller. Please see secunia.com to
compare a fully patched Windows 98 Second Edition computer to a fully patched
Windows XP Professional computer. Windows Vista will be excluded from this
argument because it has external security measures way beyond Windows XP
Professional. In the future, I plan to dual-boot with Windows 98 Second
Edition and Windows Vista because I am getting tired of Windows XP
Professional and its lack of external security measures.

Please anyone who is interested in this then just read up on Microsoft's
history and see how the problem with NT was that the source code was not
there according to early Microsoft engineers. Windows 9x source code was
there in a sense because it had DOS and please see Chris Quirke's website for
more details.

http://cquirke.blogspot.com/

(Chris has links to many of his websites from here including but not limited
to)

http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/

http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/riskfix.htm

webTV adapter

Jim

PCR

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