Re: [News] Cost vs. Worth of Ubuntu Linux

[Rick]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:16:39 +0000, WhøKñèw wrote:

> "thufir" <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:KTqfk.7824$nD.5348@pd7urf1no...
>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:16:26 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Windows XP is rock solid on all of my systems that run it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Throw statistics out the window, now that we have this stunning
>> anecdotal evidence proving...whatever.
>>
>>
>> -Thufir
> You better throw your stats out if your going to try and make any
> comparisons to Windows. Market share says it all a**hole. .61% for
> Linsux. That's point 6 1 dummy


I have never heard of an OS named Linsux.


OTOH, for Linux based systems, w3c schools says 3.8%
<http://w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp> and Netapplications
says .8% <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8>, based on
analysis of web page hits.

And, as I am sure you know, "market share" (the percentages of systems
SOLD) is a highly inaccurate way to measure market penetration of OSS in
general because so much of it is downloaded and installed.

--
Rick

 

[The Ghost In The Machine]

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ben
<beno1990@gmail.com>
wrote
on Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:57:29 +0100
<g5lqsa$m59$1@news.mixmin.net>:
> Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>> "thufir" <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:KTqfk.7824$nD.5348@pd7urf1no...
>>>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:16:26 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Windows XP is rock solid on all of my systems that run it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Throw statistics out the window, now that we have this stunning
>>>> anecdotal
>>>> evidence proving...whatever.
>>>
>>> But when statistics show that linux is at 0.6% of the desktop people
>>> are expected to throw those statistics out the window and believe some
>>> anonymous poster that linux marketshare is "much higher" because the
>>> person has a "hunch" that it is.
>>>
>>
>> They are NOT statistics, they are limited market research. Not the same
>> thing at all.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ian
>
> Not to mention that these statistics are quickly invalidated as the
> market develops. Just 2-3 years and the market share can look totally
> different.

It already has, at least as far as markethits is concerned
0.8% is the value they're reporting now.

> We know that Linux is getting more and more popular, and
> maybe the next time they perform research like that on a large scale,
> they'll find that Linux's market share has risen considerably, which I
> believe it has, but I won't claim it as fact so don't try to quote me as
> having said it's a definite fact.

Markethits reports monthly.

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[measekite]

Ben wrote:
> Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>> "thufir" <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:KTqfk.7824$nD.5348@pd7urf1no...
>>>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:16:26 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Windows XP is rock solid on all of my systems that run it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Throw statistics out the window, now that we have this stunning
>>>> anecdotal
>>>> evidence proving...whatever.
>>>
>>> But when statistics show that linux is at 0.6% of the desktop people
>>> are expected to throw those statistics out the window and believe
>>> some anonymous poster that linux marketshare is "much higher"
>>> because the person has a "hunch" that it is.
>>>
>>
>> They are NOT statistics, they are limited market research. Not the
>> same thing at all.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ian
>
> Not to mention that these statistics are quickly invalidated as the
> market develops. Just 2-3 years and the market share can look totally
> different. We know that Linux is getting more and more popular, and
> maybe the next time they perform research like that on a large scale,
> they'll find that Linux's market share has risen considerably, which I
> believe it has, but I won't claim it as fact so don't try to quote me
> as having said it's a definite fact.

When the likes of Canon, Nikon, Epson and HP support Linux out of the
box with all of their product then we will all know it is the beginning
of the end for Microsoft as they are today.

 

[Linonut]

* measekite peremptorily fired off this memo:

> When the likes of Canon, Nikon, Epson and HP support Linux out of the
> box with all of their product then we will all know it is the beginning
> of the end for Microsoft as they are today.

They don't need to support it out of the box. The support comes with
your install CD/DVD set <grin>.

HP, Borther, and Xerox are all well-supported, from the bit I've seen.

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[Linonut]

* WhøKñèw peremptorily fired off this memo:

> "Ben" <beno1990@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g5l78d$6ev$1@news.mixmin.net...
>
>> Linux is just learning something new. Yes, you will use time looking for
>> solutions to problems until you've learned how to use the OS. And then
>> you're set.
>>
>> If you can't be bothered to learn this "new thing", then you're lazy, and
>> Linux isn't an OS for you. If you're open minded to learning new ways of
>> doing things, Linux may be a good OS for you to try out.
>
> The way of Linsux is not new. Using linus is like going back in time 20
> years.

You've never seen a Linux box running Compiz, have you?

And (for example) KDE has far more features, configurability, and
eye-candy than anything Microsoft has put out, including Vista.

For awhile, Microsoft seemed to be catching up with desktop and server
features. The goal slipped from their grasp. Better luck next time
(Windows 7).

http://community.winsupersite.com/b...8/05/14/bill-gates-talks-windows-7-again.aspx

Gates recently appeared at the Windows Digital Lifestyle Consortium
in Japan where he gave a little talk. ... Here's what he says about
Windows 7 in this speech:

We're hard at work, I would say, on the next version, which we
call Windows 7. I'm very excited about the work being done there.
The ability to be lower power, take less memory, be more
efficient, and have lots more connections up to the mobile phone,
so those scenarios connect up well to make it a great platform for
the best gaming that can be done, to connect up to the thing being
done out on the Internet, so that, for example, if you have two
personal computers, that your files automatically are synchronized
between them, and so you don't have a lot of work to move that
data back and forth.

This is a description of Live Mesh, not Windows 7. And that alone
should give you pause about the accuracy of his other comments here.

LOL.

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[JEDIDIAH]

On 2008-07-16, WhøKñèw <Whøkñèw@kñèwwhø.com> wrote:
>
> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ucbs74l4sje2k3d1j5o5nc6nfef4c0156l@4ax.com...
>> Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:
>>
>>>An time sorting out the blue screen of death is not worth it either.
>>
>> The time installing the dozen or so utilities and programs required to
>> make Windows actually useful for doing anything is not worth it.
>>
>
> And you spend time installing software for Linsux so that is a totally
> assinine statement you Linturd

What time?

Tell it to install the apps of your choice and happily go about
your business. Use your new app once it's finished.

This isn't some 70's style MS-DOS derivative we're talking about here.

Pretty much any OS has a better installation system than Windows these days.

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[JEDIDIAH]

On 2008-07-16, WhøKñèw <Whøkñèw@kñèwwhø.com> wrote:
>
> "Ian Thompson-Bell" <ruffrecords@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:g5l15t$2rse$2@energise.enta.net...
>
>>>
>>
>> An time sorting out the blue screen of death is not worth it either. every
>> time I go to my local doctor's their patient screens have the blue screen
>> of death. Must cost them a fortune in time and money to keep getting them
>> fixed.
>>
> What blue screen of death? When was the last time you used Windows on an up
> to date machine. No, not your 386 wit 4meg of ram.

Why should I throw out my old hardware just because WinDOS can't cope?

Running on a lower clocked machine can be very useful in terms of
being low profile, low heat and low noise. After seeing what Linux
can do with an AppleTV I wish they would sell some general purpose
kit like that.

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[High Plains Thumper]

WhøKñèw wrote:
> "Ben" wrote...
>
>> Linux is just learning something new. Yes, you will use time looking
>> for solutions to problems until you've learned how to use the OS. And
>> then you're set.
>>
>> If you can't be bothered to learn this "new thing", then you're lazy,
>> and Linux isn't an OS for you. If you're open minded to learning new
>> ways of doing things, Linux may be a good OS for you to try out.
>
> The way of Linsux is not new. Using linus is like going back in time 20
> years.

..... when a user's task may crash but it didn't take out the operating
system

..... when an operating system was a true multi-tasking operating system
productively capable of supporting multiple users

..... when one could keep an operating system up for months, even years
not like even WinXp which occasionally borks, no one knows what went
wrong, shrugs shoulders and reboots as though this is the norm (but it
wasn't 20 years ago)

..... when data bases used text based screens and text data (which they
still do, but emphasis is on the pretty mouse interface which still
doesn't make a whit of difference except the clickey mouse thing takes
more time to input than before)

..... when a flatfish was a shallow water edible morsel and not a trolling
POS who hates everything Linux

..... when a quark was an atomic subparticle marveled at for discovery and
not a loud mouthed, arrogant POS who hates Linux advocates

Oh, yeah, tell me about it.

--
HPT

 

[High Plains Thumper]

am i sitll a virgin?

High Plains Thumper, ye low-life thread, hoy doy, what a sweep of vanity
comes this way, ye penned:

> can I get pregnant from oral sex?

 

[Ram]

WhøKñèw wrote:
> "Ian Thompson-Bell" <ruffrecords@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:g5l15t$2rse$2@energise.enta.net...
>
>> An time sorting out the blue screen of death is not worth it either. every
>> time I go to my local doctor's their patient screens have the blue screen
>> of death. Must cost them a fortune in time and money to keep getting them
>> fixed.
>>
> What blue screen of death? When was the last time you used Windows on an up
> to date machine. No, not your 386 wit 4meg of ram.
>
>

Last night while trying to organise a COD4 scrim, is that enough
up-to-date for you.

Duel core AMD 4200, 2 gig ram, nvidia gts 8800 video card.

Sick of trying to get to the bottom.

 

[WhøKñèw]

"Ram" <Ram@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JoGfk.34256$bt6.13861@newsfe14.ams2...
> WhøKñèw wrote:
>> "Ian Thompson-Bell" <ruffrecords@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:g5l15t$2rse$2@energise.enta.net...
>>
>>> An time sorting out the blue screen of death is not worth it either.
>>> every time I go to my local doctor's their patient screens have the blue
>>> screen of death. Must cost them a fortune in time and money to keep
>>> getting them fixed.
>>>
>> What blue screen of death? When was the last time you used Windows on an
>> up to date machine. No, not your 386 wit 4meg of ram.
>
> Last night while trying to organise a COD4 scrim, is that enough
> up-to-date for you.
>

Games, no wonder looooooser. And you blame that on Windows. What an ass.

> Duel core AMD 4200, 2 gig ram, nvidia gts 8800 video card.
>
> Sick of trying to get to the bottom.

Then use Linsux. That is the bottom.

 

[Ram]

WhøKñèw wrote:
> "Ram" <Ram@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JoGfk.34256$bt6.13861@newsfe14.ams2...
>> WhøKñèw wrote:
>>> "Ian Thompson-Bell" <ruffrecords@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:g5l15t$2rse$2@energise.enta.net...
>>>
>>>> An time sorting out the blue screen of death is not worth it either.
>>>> every time I go to my local doctor's their patient screens have the blue
>>>> screen of death. Must cost them a fortune in time and money to keep
>>>> getting them fixed.
>>>>
>>> What blue screen of death? When was the last time you used Windows on an
>>> up to date machine. No, not your 386 wit 4meg of ram.
>> Last night while trying to organise a COD4 scrim, is that enough
>> up-to-date for you.
>>
>
> Games, no wonder looooooser. And you blame that on Windows. What an ass.
>
>> Duel core AMD 4200, 2 gig ram, nvidia gts 8800 video card.
>>
>> Sick of trying to get to the bottom.
>
> Then use Linsux. That is the bottom.
>
>
I'd like to give it a try, however I am unable to find that particular
distribution.

Glad to say I use Ubuntu and it works on the above hardware so I can
live with the BSOD of XP as it only used for gaming.

I've paid my money, it's my choice which OS I use.....

 

[chrisv]

WhøKñèw wrote:

>"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>> Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:
>>
>>>An time sorting out the blue screen of death is not worth it either.
>>
>> The time installing the dozen or so utilities and programs required to
>> make Windows actually useful for doing anything is not worth it.
>
>And you spend time installing software for Linsux so that is a totally
>assinine statement

Not necessarily. All the "core" utilities and apps come standard,
while Windwoes comes with what? Minesweeper, an inadequate text
editor, and a browser that's best replaced with an OSS alternative?

>you Linturd

Sticks and stones, fsckwit.

 

[Snowbat]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:23:30 -0500, Rick wrote:

> OTOH, for Linux based systems, w3c schools says 3.8%
> <http://w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp> and Netapplications says
> .8% <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8>, based on
> analysis of web page hits.

FWIW, W3Counter shows 1.95% for Linux.
http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

There are also AVG 8 link scanner hits identifying as IE6/XP skewing the
numbers in favor of Windows unless filtered out.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/13/avg_scanner_skews_web_traffic_numbers/




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[Moshe Goldfarb.]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:14:02 GMT, thufir wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:16:26 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>
>> Windows XP is rock solid on all of my systems that run it.
>
>
>
> Throw statistics out the window, now that we have this stunning anecdotal
> evidence proving...whatever.
>
>
> -Thufir

You mean like the statistics that show Linux desktop at 0.6 percent of
market share?

Even the BBC pegged it at 0.8 percent and that's high because the Linux
loons were slamming the site demanding support for some video player.


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[Moshe Goldfarb.]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:04:52 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:


> Gary M "Flatfish" Stewart (fake name "Moshe Goldfarb") is a troll and Microsoft
> Munchkins. Criminals like him needn't be convinced they need to be convicted.
> And thrown to jail, not Linux advocacy newsgroups.
>
> - --

Criminals like you Roy Schestowitz, should be prosecuted.

Like the unauthorized use of copyrighted graphics which you continued to
use on your website even after being asked by the author to remove them.

I can't wait till the day when the companies you have libeled and slandered
come looking for you.
You have made some very serious statements on your hate websites and they
have attracted a lot of attention, only not the kind of attention you would
want to attract.

You had better be enjoying your little fiefdom now because the time when
you will have to pay the piper is quickly approaching.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!



--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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[Rick]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:52:17 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:04:52 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>
>> Gary M "Flatfish" Stewart (fake name "Moshe Goldfarb") is a troll and
>> Microsoft Munchkins. Criminals like him needn't be convinced they need
>> to be convicted. And thrown to jail, not Linux advocacy newsgroups.
>>
>> - --
>
> Criminals like you Roy Schestowitz, should be prosecuted.

Then why isn't he?

>
> Like the unauthorized use of copyrighted graphics which you continued to
> use on your website even after being asked by the author to remove them.

And did he go to jail or get fined?

>
> I can't wait till the day when the companies you have libeled and
> slandered come looking for you.
> You have made some very serious statements on your hate websites and
> they have attracted a lot of attention, only not the kind of attention
> you would want to attract.

Attention from whom, and how do you know?

>
> You had better be enjoying your little fiefdom now because the time when
> you will have to pay the piper is quickly approaching.

Yeah, that means a lot coming from you.

>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!

Yup.. maniacal laughter coming from you... says a lot.

--
Rick

 

[Rick]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:45:49 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:14:02 GMT, thufir wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:16:26 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Windows XP is rock solid on all of my systems that run it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Throw statistics out the window, now that we have this stunning
>> anecdotal evidence proving...whatever.
>>
>>
>> -Thufir
>
> You mean like the statistics that show Linux desktop at 0.6 percent of
> market share?


>
> Even the BBC pegged it at 0.8 percent and that's high because the Linux
> loons were slamming the site demanding support for some video player.

..8% of web page hits agrees with Net Applications numbers. Explain that.
And w3c says 3.7%


--
Rick

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:25:54 -0500, Rick wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:52:17 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:04:52 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Gary M "Flatfish" Stewart (fake name "Moshe Goldfarb") is a troll and
>>> Microsoft Munchkins. Criminals like him needn't be convinced they need
>>> to be convicted. And thrown to jail, not Linux advocacy newsgroups.
>>>
>>> - --
>>
>> Criminals like you Roy Schestowitz, should be prosecuted.
>
> Then why isn't he?

How do you know he isn't?

>>
>> Like the unauthorized use of copyrighted graphics which you continued to
>> use on your website even after being asked by the author to remove them.
>
> And did he go to jail or get fined?

He finally removed them.
But he sure took his sweet time.
Just like he did when he was warned his Linux website was doing funny
things to people's machines after they visited it.

Narcissists tend to behave like that.



>>
>> I can't wait till the day when the companies you have libeled and
>> slandered come looking for you.
>> You have made some very serious statements on your hate websites and
>> they have attracted a lot of attention, only not the kind of attention
>> you would want to attract.
>
> Attention from whom, and how do you know?

Start with Novell.
Move on to Microsoft.
etc.
Read some of the other blogs he posts to and you will see.


>>
>> You had better be enjoying your little fiefdom now because the time when
>> you will have to pay the piper is quickly approaching.
>
> Yeah, that means a lot coming from you.

It's not coming from me.

I believe in free speech, even for Roy Schestowitz.
If his statements are truthful and he can prove that in a court of law I
would defend him to the last witness.

If not...
Then he has effectively screwed himself into the ground.

>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
>
> Yup.. maniacal laughter coming from you... says a lot.

What makes you think I care?


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http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

[Linonut]

* Rick peremptorily fired off this memo:

> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:52:17 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:04:52 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> Gary M "Flatfish" Stewart (fake name "Moshe Goldfarb") is a troll and
>>> Microsoft Munchkins. Criminals like him needn't be convinced they need
>>> to be convicted. And thrown to jail, not Linux advocacy newsgroups.
>>>
>> Criminals like you Roy Schestowitz, should be prosecuted.
>
> Then why isn't he?

>> Criminals like you Roy Schestowitz, should be prosecuted.

That "parental" tone and phrasing is pretty funny. What a pompous
windbag!

I remember my Mom yelling out

"Christopher John I have a bone to pick with you!"

>gulp<

I'll bet Roy's quaking in his boots. Not.

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