Re: Linux/OSS: doomed to a lifetime under Windows' thumb

[Moog]

Damian illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
> Bruce Sinclair wrote:
>> In article <g62g16$52c$1@news.tornevall.net>, "Damian"
>> <nospam@rabid-dog.net> wrote:
>>> the wharf rat wrote:
>>>> In article <C4A96491.CA06A%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If the hardware is not, in some way, focused and even controlled
>>>>> then it will cease to be compatible...
>>>>
>>>> Sure. Look at what happened with SCSI. Since there was no
>>>> focus or control by Microsoft it's not like I can install some
>>>> crappy old Tekram SCSI card and a 2/4GB DAT drive and expect it to
>>>> work perfectly.
>>>>
>>>> Not on Windows at any rate. Works fine on Linux of course.
>>>> Thank God Microsoft is out there protecting me from being able to
>>>> run legacy hardware by providing focus and control.
>>>
>>> SCSI is king on Servers, not Desktops. Any *Windows Server* product
>>> has full support for them, always have.
>>
>> So ... why are there so many versions of windows then ?
>
>
> So ... why isn't there a version of linux that works?

Wanna pop around here and take a quick look at the four laptops,
twelve desktops, three servers and two windows boxes and play a game
of "spot the machine that regularly crashes"?

I'll give you a clue, it ain't a linux machine. They just work.

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[Linonut]

* chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Linonut wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the anecote, relic. It makes me appreciate what you say
>>more, and I no longer think you're simply a troll.
>
> Which is why he's one of the "Linux makes you you stupid" nitwits,
> right?

Yeah, but at least I can understand his background now.

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-- Blaise Pascal

 

[relic]

Linonut wrote:
> * chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> Linonut wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the anecote, relic. It makes me appreciate what you say
>>> more, and I no longer think you're simply a troll.
>>
>> Which is why he's one of the "Linux makes you you stupid" nitwits,
>> right?
>
> Yeah, but at least I can understand his background now.

I've never said Linux makes you stupid, I don't capitalize linux.

I guess it would be more truthful as, "linux tends to make you rabid" for an
awful lot of c.o.l.a. The saying "linux makes you stupid" starts the
frothing.

 

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2008-07-22, relic <relic2@cjb.net> wrote:
> Linonut wrote:
>> * chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the anecote, relic. It makes me appreciate what you say
>>>> more, and I no longer think you're simply a troll.
>>>
>>> Which is why he's one of the "Linux makes you you stupid" nitwits,
>>> right?
>>
>> Yeah, but at least I can understand his background now.
>
> I've never said Linux makes you stupid, I don't capitalize linux.
>
> I guess it would be more truthful as, "linux tends to make you rabid" for an
> awful lot of c.o.l.a. The saying "linux makes you stupid" starts the
> frothing.

....yes because nothing in life should be good enough to get you excited...

</sarcasm>

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[Bruce Sinclair]

In article <slrng8cbtb.c8k.efcmoog@hardy.invalid>, Moog <efcmoog@gmail.com> wrote:
>Damian illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>> Bruce Sinclair wrote:
>>> In article <g62g16$52c$1@news.tornevall.net>, "Damian"
>>> <nospam@rabid-dog.net> wrote:
>>>> the wharf rat wrote:
>>>>> In article <C4A96491.CA06A%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the hardware is not, in some way, focused and even controlled
>>>>>> then it will cease to be compatible...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure. Look at what happened with SCSI. Since there was no
>>>>> focus or control by Microsoft it's not like I can install some
>>>>> crappy old Tekram SCSI card and a 2/4GB DAT drive and expect it to
>>>>> work perfectly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not on Windows at any rate. Works fine on Linux of course.
>>>>> Thank God Microsoft is out there protecting me from being able to
>>>>> run legacy hardware by providing focus and control.
>>>>
>>>> SCSI is king on Servers, not Desktops. Any *Windows Server* product
>>>> has full support for them, always have.
>>>
>>> So ... why are there so many versions of windows then ?
>>
>> So ... why isn't there a version of linux that works?
>
>Wanna pop around here and take a quick look at the four laptops,
>twelve desktops, three servers and two windows boxes and play a game
>of "spot the machine that regularly crashes"?
>
>I'll give you a clue, it ain't a linux machine. They just work.

I note he cut the stuff about most windows versions being incomplete so that
MS can make more money on 'upgrades'.

I note also that he has not answered the question I posed with any other
possibility, so must accept that 'MS making money' is the real reason this
is so.

As you suggest, his question is irrelevant, as he simply lacks reliable (or
more likely, any ) data.

Religion is like that. You believe what you are told, despite any contrary
data that you may see. Troll feeding only encourages them

 

[Linonut]

* JEDIDIAH peremptorily fired off this memo:

> On 2008-07-22, relic <relic2@cjb.net> wrote:
>> Linonut wrote:
>>> * chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>
>>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the anecote, relic. It makes me appreciate what you say
>>>>> more, and I no longer think you're simply a troll.
>>>>
>>>> Which is why he's one of the "Linux makes you you stupid" nitwits,
>>>> right?
>>>
>>> Yeah, but at least I can understand his background now.
>>
>> I've never said Linux makes you stupid, I don't capitalize linux.
>>
>> I guess it would be more truthful as, "linux tends to make you rabid" for an
>> awful lot of c.o.l.a. The saying "linux makes you stupid" starts the
>> frothing.

You may remember the old-generation Star Trek episode where the Chief
Engineer, Montgomery "Scotty" Scott is in a pub, and impassively takes
all sorts of abuse about his Captain.

But the insults start being aimed at his /ship/, kapow.

> ...yes because nothing in life should be good enough to get you excited...
>
> </sarcasm>

I (and a couple other Linux dudes) have to take a lot of good-natured
ribbing at work about Linux.

Our 2 most common curses:

"Monopoly crapware!"

"Linux crapware!"

I have to admit I was cursing VMWare yesterday and today. Yesterday, it
stopped running (due to being "not configured"), and I monkeyed around
and got it working. First thing today, it's not working again, and I
can't get it to work. I finally run it as root, and it started. Oh. I
check the config file under my $HOME, and it had the wrong license key.

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that chicken to the dolphins. They eat fish."

Sure they eat fish if that's all you give them! Man, wise up.
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[Damian]

Bruce Sinclair wrote:
> In article <slrng8cbtb.c8k.efcmoog@hardy.invalid>, Moog
> <efcmoog@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Damian illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>>> Bruce Sinclair wrote:
>>>> In article <g62g16$52c$1@news.tornevall.net>, "Damian"
>>>> <nospam@rabid-dog.net> wrote:
>>>>> the wharf rat wrote:
>>>>>> In article <C4A96491.CA06A%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the hardware is not, in some way, focused and even controlled
>>>>>>> then it will cease to be compatible...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure. Look at what happened with SCSI. Since there was no
>>>>>> focus or control by Microsoft it's not like I can install some
>>>>>> crappy old Tekram SCSI card and a 2/4GB DAT drive and expect it
>>>>>> to work perfectly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not on Windows at any rate. Works fine on Linux of course.
>>>>>> Thank God Microsoft is out there protecting me from being able to
>>>>>> run legacy hardware by providing focus and control.
>>>>>
>>>>> SCSI is king on Servers, not Desktops. Any *Windows Server*
>>>>> product has full support for them, always have.
>>>>
>>>> So ... why are there so many versions of windows then ?
>>>
>>> So ... why isn't there a version of linux that works?
>>
>> Wanna pop around here and take a quick look at the four laptops,
>> twelve desktops, three servers and two windows boxes and play a game
>> of "spot the machine that regularly crashes"?
>>
>> I'll give you a clue, it ain't a linux machine. They just work.
>
> I note he cut the stuff about most windows versions being incomplete
> so that
> MS can make more money on 'upgrades'.
>
> I note also that he has not answered the question I posed with any
> other possibility, so must accept that 'MS making money' is the real
> reason this
> is so.

To not embarrass you. You have a perception of how MS does business that
just ain't reality. Could it be that linux has made you stupid?

 

[relic]

Linonut wrote:
> * JEDIDIAH peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> On 2008-07-22, relic <relic2@cjb.net> wrote:
>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>> * chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>
>>>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the anecote, relic. It makes me appreciate what you
>>>>>> say more, and I no longer think you're simply a troll.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is why he's one of the "Linux makes you you stupid" nitwits,
>>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but at least I can understand his background now.
>>>
>>> I've never said Linux makes you stupid, I don't capitalize linux.
>>>
>>> I guess it would be more truthful as, "linux tends to make you
>>> rabid" for an awful lot of c.o.l.a. The saying "linux makes you
>>> stupid" starts the frothing.
>
> You may remember the old-generation Star Trek episode where the Chief
> Engineer, Montgomery "Scotty" Scott is in a pub, and impassively takes
> all sorts of abuse about his Captain.
>
> But the insults start being aimed at his /ship/, kapow.
>
>> ...yes because nothing in life should be good enough to get you
>> excited...
>>
>> </sarcasm>
>
> I (and a couple other Linux dudes) have to take a lot of good-natured
> ribbing at work about Linux.
>
> Our 2 most common curses:
>
> "Monopoly crapware!"
>
> "Linux crapware!"
>
> I have to admit I was cursing VMWare yesterday and today. Yesterday,
> it stopped running (due to being "not configured"), and I monkeyed
> around and got it working. First thing today, it's not working
> again, and I can't get it to work. I finally run it as root, and it
> started. Oh. I check the config file under my $HOME, and it had the
> wrong license key.

You usually have a good argument, so I can't poke at you too often.
Occasionally, I just have to for the hell of it when you're replying in a
cross posted troll. I've always seen that you take a little poke damn well.

 

[Linonut]

* relic peremptorily fired off this memo:

> You usually have a good argument, so I can't poke at you too often.
> Occasionally, I just have to for the hell of it when you're replying in a
> cross posted troll. I've always seen that you take a little poke damn well.

I have to. I have disrespectful coworkers <grin>. And a smart-ass wife
and daughter <sigh>.

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[chrisv]

Linonut wrote:

>* chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> Linonut wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks for the anecote, relic. It makes me appreciate what you say
>>>more, and I no longer think you're simply a troll.
>>
>> Which is why he's one of the "Linux makes you you stupid" nitwits,
>> right?
>
>Yeah, but at least I can understand his background now.

If he's old-enough to have a significant "background", he should be
old enough to understand that "Linux makes you stupid" is not very
interesting, and, in fact, makes the person who wrote it look stupid.

 

[chrisv]

chrisv wrote:
> Linonut wrote:
>
>> * chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the anecote, relic. It makes me appreciate what you say
>>>> more, and I no longer think you're simply a troll.
>>>
>>> Which is why he's one of the "Linux makes you you stupid" nitwits,
>>> right?
>>
>> Yeah, but at least I can understand his background now.
>
> If he's old-enough to have a significant "background", he should be
> old enough to understand that "Linux makes you stupid" is not very
> interesting, and, in fact, makes the person who wrote it look stupid.

If *that* is your gripe with relic, 'who' did you say looks stupid???

 

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2008-07-23, Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
> * JEDIDIAH peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> On 2008-07-22, relic <relic2@cjb.net> wrote:
>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>> * chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>
>>>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the anecote, relic. It makes me appreciate what you say
>>>>>> more, and I no longer think you're simply a troll.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is why he's one of the "Linux makes you you stupid" nitwits,
>>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but at least I can understand his background now.
>>>
>>> I've never said Linux makes you stupid, I don't capitalize linux.
>>>
>>> I guess it would be more truthful as, "linux tends to make you rabid" for an
>>> awful lot of c.o.l.a. The saying "linux makes you stupid" starts the
>>> frothing.
>
> You may remember the old-generation Star Trek episode where the Chief
> Engineer, Montgomery "Scotty" Scott is in a pub, and impassively takes
> all sorts of abuse about his Captain.
>
> But the insults start being aimed at his /ship/, kapow.
>
>> ...yes because nothing in life should be good enough to get you excited...
>>
>> </sarcasm>
>
> I (and a couple other Linux dudes) have to take a lot of good-natured
> ribbing at work about Linux.
>
> Our 2 most common curses:
>
> "Monopoly crapware!"
>
> "Linux crapware!"
>
> I have to admit I was cursing VMWare yesterday and today. Yesterday, it
> stopped running (due to being "not configured"), and I monkeyed around
> and got it working. First thing today, it's not working again, and I
> can't get it to work. I finally run it as root, and it started. Oh. I
> check the config file under my $HOME, and it had the wrong license key.

Once when I was in college our assembly programming class was
forcibly ground to a halt because the University had forgotten to
keep their VMS license up to date. If you don't pay, the dang thing
EXPIRES yearly.

Mandatory license managers suck. They primarily abuse the penalize
customers.

...imagine the mindshare possible from illicit copies of OpenVMS?

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[chrisv]

some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> If he's old-enough to have a significant "background", he should be
>> old enough to understand that "Linux makes you stupid" is not very
>> interesting, and, in fact, makes the person who wrote it look stupid.
>
> If *that* is your gripe with relic,

Maybe it's not a "gripe with relic". Maybe it's me thinking "I've
better things to do than to read such tripe, and anyone who posts such
tripe isn't worth my time."

> 'who' did you say looks stupid???

relic. Suffering from reading comprehension problems?

 

[Walter Mautner]

chrisv wrote:
> some idiot forging chrisv wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> If he's old-enough to have a significant "background", he should be
>>> old enough to understand that "Linux makes you stupid" is not very
>>> interesting, and, in fact, makes the person who wrote it look
>>> stupid.
>>
>> If *that* is your gripe with relic,
>
> Maybe it's not a "gripe with relic". Maybe it's me thinking "I've
> better things to do than to read such tripe, and anyone who posts such
> tripe isn't worth my time."
>
>> 'who' did you say looks stupid???
>
> relic. Suffering from reading comprehension problems?

You got that question wrong. It's not relic that's looking pretty stupid.


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

 

[chrisv]

Teranews Troll wrote:

> It's not relic that's looking pretty stupid.

You must be referring to the stupid forger. Yeah, just the fact that
he uses OE shows that he's an idiot... Oops! I see that you do, too!

Idiot.

 

[Hadron]

JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:

> On 2008-07-23, Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
>> * JEDIDIAH peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>>> On 2008-07-22, relic <relic2@cjb.net> wrote:
>>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>>> * chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the anecote, relic. It makes me appreciate what you say
>>>>>>> more, and I no longer think you're simply a troll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is why he's one of the "Linux makes you you stupid" nitwits,
>>>>>> right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, but at least I can understand his background now.
>>>>
>>>> I've never said Linux makes you stupid, I don't capitalize linux.
>>>>
>>>> I guess it would be more truthful as, "linux tends to make you rabid" for an
>>>> awful lot of c.o.l.a. The saying "linux makes you stupid" starts the
>>>> frothing.
>>
>> You may remember the old-generation Star Trek episode where the Chief
>> Engineer, Montgomery "Scotty" Scott is in a pub, and impassively takes
>> all sorts of abuse about his Captain.
>>
>> But the insults start being aimed at his /ship/, kapow.
>>
>>> ...yes because nothing in life should be good enough to get you excited...
>>>
>>> </sarcasm>
>>
>> I (and a couple other Linux dudes) have to take a lot of good-natured
>> ribbing at work about Linux.
>>
>> Our 2 most common curses:
>>
>> "Monopoly crapware!"
>>
>> "Linux crapware!"
>>
>> I have to admit I was cursing VMWare yesterday and today. Yesterday, it
>> stopped running (due to being "not configured"), and I monkeyed around
>> and got it working. First thing today, it's not working again, and I
>> can't get it to work. I finally run it as root, and it started. Oh. I
>> check the config file under my $HOME, and it had the wrong license key.
>
> Once when I was in college our assembly programming class was
> forcibly ground to a halt because the University had forgotten to
> keep their VMS license up to date. If you don't pay, the dang thing
> EXPIRES yearly.
>
> Mandatory license managers suck. They primarily abuse the penalize
> customers.

No. They penalize people who dont pay for it. its like car which is not
filled with petrol. It eventually stops.

 

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2008-07-24, Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>
>> On 2008-07-23, Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
>>> * JEDIDIAH peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>
>>>> On 2008-07-22, relic <relic2@cjb.net> wrote:
>>>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>>>> * chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linonut wrote:
[deletia]
>>> I have to admit I was cursing VMWare yesterday and today. Yesterday, it
>>> stopped running (due to being "not configured"), and I monkeyed around
>>> and got it working. First thing today, it's not working again, and I
>>> can't get it to work. I finally run it as root, and it started. Oh. I
>>> check the config file under my $HOME, and it had the wrong license key.
>>
>> Once when I was in college our assembly programming class was
>> forcibly ground to a halt because the University had forgotten to
>> keep their VMS license up to date. If you don't pay, the dang thing
>> EXPIRES yearly.
>>
>> Mandatory license managers suck. They primarily abuse the penalize
>> customers.
>
> No. They penalize people who dont pay for it. its like car which is not
> filled with petrol. It eventually stops.

Yet somehow Oracle manages to make enough money to bring in
Elton John and Lenny Kravitz for Open World despite the fact
that they don't BOTHER THE END USER with such nonsense.

It's like gangsters and gun laws...

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[Hadron]

JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:

> On 2008-07-24, Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>
>>> On 2008-07-23, Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
>>>> * JEDIDIAH peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2008-07-22, relic <relic2@cjb.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>>>>> * chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linonut wrote:
> [deletia]
>>>> I have to admit I was cursing VMWare yesterday and today. Yesterday, it
>>>> stopped running (due to being "not configured"), and I monkeyed around
>>>> and got it working. First thing today, it's not working again, and I
>>>> can't get it to work. I finally run it as root, and it started. Oh. I
>>>> check the config file under my $HOME, and it had the wrong license key.
>>>
>>> Once when I was in college our assembly programming class was
>>> forcibly ground to a halt because the University had forgotten to
>>> keep their VMS license up to date. If you don't pay, the dang thing
>>> EXPIRES yearly.
>>>
>>> Mandatory license managers suck. They primarily abuse the penalize
>>> customers.
>>
>> No. They penalize people who dont pay for it. its like car which is not
>> filled with petrol. It eventually stops.
>
> Yet somehow Oracle manages to make enough money to bring in

"somehow"? Are you mad? its because HONEST people pay for the SW. And if
they dont then, well, their stuff stops working.

> Elton John and Lenny Kravitz for Open World despite the fact
> that they don't BOTHER THE END USER with such nonsense.

Who on earth told you that? Are you insane or merely living in wonder
land? You can be as sure as hell that Oracle lawyers would be pumping
you from behind the second they are aware of your fraudulent use of
their SW.

>
> It's like gangsters and gun laws...

It's nothing like it.

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[chrisv]

JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> Mandatory license managers suck. They primarily abuse the
>>> penalize customers.
>>
>> No. They penalize people who dont pay for it. its like car which is
>> not filled with petrol. It eventually stops.
>
> Yet somehow Oracle manages to make enough money to bring in
> Elton John and Lenny Kravitz for Open World despite the fact
> that they don't BOTHER THE END USER with such nonsense.


Oracle :: Crap

 

[Hadron]

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:

> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>> Mandatory license managers suck. They primarily abuse the
>>>> penalize customers.
>>>
>>> No. They penalize people who dont pay for it. its like car which is
>>> not filled with petrol. It eventually stops.
>>
>> Yet somehow Oracle manages to make enough money to bring in
>> Elton John and Lenny Kravitz for Open World despite the fact
>> that they don't BOTHER THE END USER with such nonsense.
>
>
> Oracle :: Crap
>
>

But their CEO flies a fighter plane in reality. You're just a down at
heel hobo with a defecation fixation.

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