Re: Rex Ballard: it costs $10,000 per employee to upgrade MS Office versions

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:15:24 -0400, DFS wrote:

> "If you have a company with computer using employees, who
> already have Office 2000 or Office XP, you have to obtain and install
> Office Software, usually by doing a "Reimage" of the hard drive.
> Alternatively, you have to purchase brand new computers for those
> employees you want to upgrade. You then have to back-up all of the
> data from the user's hard rive, and transfer that data to the new
> machine. Because you can't capture all the settings and preferences
> the way you can with Unix or Linux, you also have to figure that users
> will spend about a week trying to get their preferences right, trying
> to recover lost passwords and cookies, trying to install third party
> software essential to their jobs, and all of the other preferences and
> content issues.
>
> The average actual cost in lost productivity is about $10,000 per
> employee, and has almost nothing to do with the price of Windows or
> Office."
>
>
> Typical Rex bullcrap, yet no cola regs have the courage of their convictions
> to challenge it.

Roy Schestowitz looks up to Rex Ballard as some kind of a hero or icon....

That should show you what a complete loon Roy Schestowitz, student at
University of Manchester GB is.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/11955c95e422489f

>> Great job again Roy (Rex Ballard says this)

>Thanks. Coming from you, this means a lot. (Roy Schestowitz says this)

--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
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[Rex Ballard]

Re: Rex Ballard: it costs $10,000 per employee to upgrade MS Officeversions

On Jul 27, 2:07 am, "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:15:24 -0400, DFS wrote:

> > The average actual cost in lost productivity is about $10,000 per
> > employee, and has almost nothing to do with the price of Windows or
> > Office."

> > Typical Rex bullcrap, yet no cola regs have the courage of their convictions
> > to challenge it.

Of course, I was working in the financial district when Windows 95
rolled out, and I was an IT Architect for the Corporate IT division of
The Prudential when NT 4.0 was rolled out, and I was working for a
large bank when Windows XP was rolled out, and I did review the
budgets for those departments. The number I posted to this newsgroup
was actually one of the lowest quoted publicly (Merril Lynch).

> Roy Schestowitz looks up to Rex Ballard as some kind of a hero or icon....
Roy and I are both "pro-Linux", while you are very obviously "Pro
Microsoft".

I understand why you don't post to comp.os.windows.advocacy, there
isn't much going on over there (about 300 postings a month, compared
to 25 postings per hour on COLA), and most of the discussions over
there are just "more bad news about Vista". It almost seems like NONE
of the popular 3rd party Windows XP applications run well on Vista.

So rather than respond to the blast furnace of negative feedback on
that group, you participate in these groups. Most of which don't even
exist in google groups.

> That should show you what a complete loon Roy Schestowitz, student at
> University of Manchester GB is.

IIRC, he is a Phd student in Computer Science, which makes him very
articulate.
Many of his "news-clip" postings are essentially the output of perl
scripts and curl, but he adds a few lines of his own to pique
interest.

> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/11955c95e42...
>
> >> Great job again Roy (Rex Ballard says this)
> >Thanks. Coming from you, this means a lot. (Roy Schestowitz says this)

As for my own credentials, I've been working with computers since 1976
when I read about a build-it-yourself CRT in a ham radio magazine. I
very quickly learned to program in BASIC and then moved on to CP/M and
started with Unix in 1982, when I started as an Associate Engineer
working with MIT graduates and PhDs who were pioneering technologies
we know today as clusters, grids, and distributed processing. By the
time I left, 5 years later, I was a Senior engineer and moved on to
Federal Express where, in addition to my duties on the Malcolm
Baldridge Award Winning Cosmos II-B project, I also took on leading an
effort at Enterprise Integration, coordinating presentations from
various vendors and staging demonstrations. This was when Jim
Barksdale was COO. Eventually, my proposed architecture was adopted
and I moved on to Great West Life, where I was directly responsible
for enterprise integration strategy as an IT architect. In January
1993, I went to Dow Jones where I put them on on the Internet. This
included helping 25 companies convert the proprietary X.25
asynchronous feed into TCP/IP feeds with message queues, archival and
real-time display components. One of those companies was WAIS Inc,
which produced one of the first commercially successful federated
search engines (like those used on Google). By 1997, I had moved to
McGraw-Hill Standard & Poor's unit where I advised the 127
publications on putting their content on the internet, along with 7000
other publishers, many of which became spin-offs with wierd names like
Yahoo, InfoSeek, ZD-Net, and CMP. I showed them how to get started on
a shoe-string budget, build a business case for advertizing revenue,
and scale up to very-high-capacity systems based on Sun, IBM, or HP
Unix systems.

In 1997, I took on Enterprise Integration and "Technology Evangelism"
for Prudential, helping them to focus on standards rather than Vendors
that allowed them to implement portable cross-platform Java, MQ, and
CORBA based solutions on Windows, Linux, and Unix systems (as well as
some migrations from Windows to Mainframes).

In 1999, I joined IBM where I have worked as an IT Architect (Now a
Senior IT Architect) on projects ranging from Pressler Act interchange
between Alaska Cable and Alaska Telephone, to reference documents on
Websphere Business Integrator, including pilot implementations through
production deployment. I usually completed my role in each project
once the client was sure that it was a "done deal". I also made
liberal use of Open Source and Linux, especially for several projects
involving "Offshore team" in India and elsewhere. The intellectual
capital was collected and became a pattern for future Offshoring
engagements.

As for
> Moshe Goldfarb

His great accomplishment in life:
> Collector of soaps from around the globe.

Which makes me proud to be in
> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Which is totally inacurate, right down to the spelling of my name.
The other "heros of Linux" are similarly inacurately represented and
maligned.
But just being a target of a "Collector of soaps from around the
globe" and WinTroll
like Moshe is something that says "these are people who make a
difference".

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

Re: Rex Ballard: it costs $10,000 per employee to upgrade MS Office versions

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:58:58 -0700 (PDT), Rex Ballard wrote:

> On Jul 27, 2:07 am, "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:15:24 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>>> The average actual cost in lost productivity is about $10,000 per
>>> employee, and has almost nothing to do with the price of Windows or
>>> Office."
>
>>> Typical Rex bullcrap, yet no cola regs have the courage of their convictions
>>> to challenge it.
>
> Of course, I was working in the financial district when Windows 95
> rolled out, and I was an IT Architect for the Corporate IT division of
> The Prudential when NT 4.0 was rolled out, and I was working for a
> large bank when Windows XP was rolled out, and I did review the
> budgets for those departments. The number I posted to this newsgroup
> was actually one of the lowest quoted publicly (Merril Lynch).

1. You misquoting all over the place.
I didn't say the above, although i agree with it.

Prudential---> 100 gold Street and I was working in the financial district
as well....

Does the name Bill Andersen mean anything to you?



>> Roy Schestowitz looks up to Rex Ballard as some kind of a hero or icon....
> Roy and I are both "pro-Linux", while you are very obviously "Pro
> Microsoft".

How so?

Show me the "Use Microsoft messages" I post...

You can't.
Because I don't post that kind of stuff.

What I do is point out the obvious Linux advocate lunacy here in COLA.

You are somewhat of a Linux advocate Rex.

Schestowitz is a paid SPAMMER who is out for his own self worth and nothing
else.
He is using you and COLA in general in the most selfish of manners.



> I understand why you don't post to comp.os.windows.advocacy, there
> isn't much going on over there (about 300 postings a month, compared
> to 25 postings per hour on COLA), and most of the discussions over
> there are just "more bad news about Vista". It almost seems like NONE
> of the popular 3rd party Windows XP applications run well on Vista.

So?

I'm on record as not liking or recommending Vista....
Big deal.


> So rather than respond to the blast furnace of negative feedback on
> that group, you participate in these groups. Most of which don't even
> exist in google groups.

Why bother?
I agree with them.

>> That should show you what a complete loon Roy Schestowitz, student at
>> University of Manchester GB is.
>
> IIRC, he is a Phd student in Computer Science, which makes him very
> articulate.

Articulate?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
Schestowitz is an idiot.

Here is how *articulate* Schestowitz is:

http://www.linux.com/feature/122470

He sounds like a retard.............


> Many of his "news-clip" postings are essentially the output of perl
> scripts and curl, but he adds a few lines of his own to pique
> interest.

No.
He adds canned comments from a database that key on certain phrases.
Much like an Elizabot.
He also re-posts the same incorrect material over and over again, 100's if
not 1000's of times even after being informed of his errors.

Roy Schestowitz is a self serving fraud...


>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/11955c95e42...
>>
>>>> Great job again Roy (Rex Ballard says this)
>>>Thanks. Coming from you, this means a lot. (Roy Schestowitz says this)
>
> As for my own credentials, I've been working with computers since 1976
> when I read about a build-it-yourself CRT in a ham radio magazine.

snip...."I was born of humble means in a log cabin etc................"

Barf.......



--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

[Linonut]

Re: Rex Ballard: it costs $10,000 per employee to upgrade MS Office versions

* Rex Ballard peremptorily fired off this memo:

> I understand why you don't post to comp.os.windows.advocacy, there
> isn't much going on over there (about 300 postings a month, compared
> to 25 postings per hour on COLA), and most of the discussions over
> there are just "more bad news about Vista". It almost seems like NONE
> of the popular 3rd party Windows XP applications run well on Vista.

Say! Maybe that was part of Microsoft's plan:

Kill off all the third-party apps except for drivers, so that the
apps can be replaced by Microsoft software.

<evil Gatesian laughter>

--
In the eyes of my dog, I'm a man.
-- Martin Mull

 

[relic]

Re: Rex Ballard: it costs $10,000 per employee to upgrade MS Office versions

Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
> Does the name Bill Andersen mean anything to you?

Ouch!!!

 

[Roy Schestowitz]

____/ Rex Ballard on Tuesday 29 July 2008 05:58 : \____

> Many of his "news-clip" postings are essentially the output of perl
> scripts and curl, but he adds a few lines of his own to pique
> interest.

There are /NO/ scripts. I use a Web browser and read RSS feeds. It's all
manual.

Don't mix the Gremlins' libel with reality.

--
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[Rex Ballard]

Re: Rex Ballard: it costs $10,000 per employee to upgrade MS Officeversions

On Jul 29, 3:56 pm, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com>
wrote:
> ____/ Rex Ballard on Tuesday 29 July 2008 05:58 : \____
>
> > Many of his "news-clip" postings are essentially the output of perl
> > scripts and curl, but he adds a few lines of his own to pique
> > interest.
>
> There are /NO/ scripts. I use a Web browser and read RSS feeds. It's all
> manual.

Sorry about that roy. I really did think that some of the bulk was
done with scripts, and you just clipped the good parts. Still, you do
an amazing job of getting lots of new news articles for this group to
discuss. Though there are so many that many do not get the follow-up
they so richly deserve.

Perhaps the real problem is that there is just so much good news about
Linux, and so much bad news about Microsoft, that it's just hard to
keep up.

> Don't mix the Gremlins' libel with reality.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[Rex Ballard]

Re: Rex Ballard: it costs $10,000 per employee to upgrade MS Officeversions

On Jul 29, 2:38 pm, "relic" <rel...@cjb.net> wrote:
> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
> > Does the name Bill Andersen mean anything to you?

Bill Andersonv Yes, absolutely. He worked at CCI when I was there,
and was a huge contributor to several key technologies, including one
of the first Audio Response Subsystems.

Do you have any current contact information on him? It would be great
to see what he's been up to for the last 20 years.


> Ouch!!!


Ouch,

No, I have fond memories of Bill Anderson. If it's the Bill Anderson
I'm thinking of.

 

[Rex Ballard]

Re: Rex Ballard: it costs $10,000 per employee to upgrade MS Officeversions

On Jul 30, 12:22 am, "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_st...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:41:07 -0700 (PDT), Rex Ballard wrote:
> > On Jul 29, 2:38 pm, "relic" <rel...@cjb.net> wrote:
> >> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

> Wrong Bill Andersen........
> Wrong answer as well.....

Bill Anderson is a common name, and I've had less direct contact with
other Bill Adersonss. Which one are you thinking of? Perhaps I can
check my old phone lists.

Some of them are still only on paper.

> Moshe Goldfarb
> Collector of soaps

 

[Rex Ballard]

Re: Rex Ballard: it costs $10,000 per employee to upgrade MS Officeversions

On Jul 30, 12:55 am, "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_st...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:40:36 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> > I didn't mean to sound rude. It's just that it the Big Lies stick, they need to
> > be corrected.
>
> Absolutely.
> And correcting your daily lies and misleading posts to every corner of the
> Internet takes an army of people to accomplish, Roy Schestowitz.

Nope, just one guy with a Linux box. One of the nice littlle side
effects of using Linux is that you get MUCH more productive. Roy as a
good example.

> The intelligent people already have you figured out, Roy Schestowitz.
> The drones are still trying to decide what you are.
> The true morons (COLA) are follwoing you around as if you are some kind of
> deranged "Pied Piper".

I assumed that Roy scripted the formatting of his quotes. Still, it's
not hard to eit a document like that in VI. It's a much maligned
editor, and well kept secret of the Linux/Unix community.

> All in all, you Roy Schestowitz, make for one hell of a side show...

If he ever wants a job at Dow Jones, I think they would go for it.

> Much better than the bearded lady or the two headed dog.

> Moshe Goldfarb
> Collector of soaps

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

Re: Rex Ballard: it costs $10,000 per employee to upgrade MS Office versions

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:27:44 -0700 (PDT), Rex Ballard wrote:

> On Jul 30, 12:22 am, "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:41:07 -0700 (PDT), Rex Ballard wrote:
>>> On Jul 29, 2:38 pm, "relic" <rel...@cjb.net> wrote:
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>> Wrong Bill Andersen........
>> Wrong answer as well.....
>
> Bill Anderson is a common name, and I've had less direct contact with
> other Bill Adersonss. Which one are you thinking of? Perhaps I can
> check my old phone lists.
>
> Some of them are still only on paper.
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb
>> Collector of soaps

Prudential.....
--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

[Peter Köhlmann]

Ùpyøurbuttøø wrote:

>
> "Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c42ff954-7e3f-47f6-b838-3106d67170bd@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 30, 12:55 am, "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_st...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nope, just one guy with a Linux box. One of the nice littlle side
>> effects of using Linux is that you get MUCH more productive. Roy as a
>> good example.
>>
> What a lying POS moron

You might instead explain what was wrong with the statement.

But naturally, you can't. No who is the moron exactly?
Might it be some nimwit who still uses MS Outhouse Excess?

--
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[Rex Ballard]

Re: Rex Ballard: it costs $10,000 per employee to upgrade MS Officeversions

On Jul 29, 4:41 pm, Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 29, 2:38 pm, "relic" <rel...@cjb.net> wrote:
> > Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> > > Does the name Bill Andersen mean anything to you?
>
> Bill Andersonv Yes, absolutely. He worked at CCI when I was there,
> and was a huge contributor to several key technologies, including one
> of the first Audio Response Subsystems.

That's right, the CIO of Prudential was also Bill Anderson.

I had about 3 levels of management between me and Bill. I reported to
Carl Thune, who reported to the VP of Corporate IT, who reported to
Bill. I met Bill once, but most most of my work was technical
evangelism to the various divisions of Prudential, establishing
standards for Java, MQ, CORBA, and strategies for integrating DCOM
with CORBA and Java RMI. Eventually the standards just converged,
with gateways to convert DCOM to CORBA and IIOP RMI.

Bill took a lot of heat for attempting to switch a much of stuff to
Windows NT servers, including the Lotus Notes servers, several smaller
databases, and some file and print services. Several custom projects
related to the One Pru Initiative were initially staged on Windows,
and the unit test and integration test went OK, but the minute we got
into system testing and performance testing, everything started
falling apart. Most of the projects were 300% late and 500% over
budget. We also ended up replacing 4 Sun servers with 3600 Windows
servers. We had a full time staff on a 24/7 basis, mostly consisting
of Box-booters. Their primary job was to find boxes that failed as
quickly as possible, and reboot them before the back-up machine
failed.

.. Bill had made big public announcements about how excited he was to
be using the Microsoft servers. The transition of the Lotus Notes
servers to OS/390 and the integration projects to Solaris or AIX, and
the transition to platform independent Java rather than J++ or VB were
all very quiet. Prudential had a very unpleasant experience with NT
4.0, and they have substantially reduced their dependence on Windows
servers.

I haven't been in contact recently. My last contact was several years
ago when I was doing a Java based XML integration project for them.

Microsoft still has it's place, but not the panacea that Microsoft had
originally promised.

 

[Ezekiel]

"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a10a4a7a-76da-4b3e-b182-3c38ee629dba@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...


> Most of the projects were 300% late and 500% over budget.

Inept management.


> We also ended up replacing 4 Sun servers with 3600 Windows servers.

Inept lies by you.





** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:12:00 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> "Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a10a4a7a-76da-4b3e-b182-3c38ee629dba@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>> Most of the projects were 300% late and 500% over budget.
>
> Inept management.
>
>
>> We also ended up replacing 4 Sun servers with 3600 Windows servers.
>
> Inept lies by you.

I trapped Rex like a rat in a cage.
I worked on Wall street during that time period and just happened to know
and work with several people from Prudential, at least 2 of which have made
it up very high in the company....

Rex is full of crap, as you can see....
His time line doesn't match.
He scrambles around after googling.
He contradicts himself.

Also, there is one VERY IMPORTANT fact about the person I mentioned that
Rex did NOT mention.
It's NOT in Google AFAIK, but he most definitely, would have mentioned
it in this thread if he had actually had dealings with this person

He didn't...

Rex is a fraud....


--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

[relic]

Re: Rex Ballard: it costs $10,000 per employee to upgrade MS Office versions

Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:27:44 -0700 (PDT), Rex Ballard wrote:
>
>> On Jul 30, 12:22 am, "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_st...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:41:07 -0700 (PDT), Rex Ballard wrote:
>>>> On Jul 29, 2:38 pm, "relic" <rel...@cjb.net> wrote:
>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> Wrong Bill Andersen........
>>> Wrong answer as well.....
>>
>> Bill Anderson is a common name, and I've had less direct contact with
>> other Bill Adersonss. Which one are you thinking of? Perhaps I can
>> check my old phone lists.
>>
>> Some of them are still only on paper.
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>> Collector of soaps
>
> Prudential.....

That's not William S. (Bill) Anderson then.

 

[Roy Schestowitz]

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> That's right, the CIO of Prudential was also Bill Anderson.

They Munchkins distract you away from the signal and into noise. I think you
ought to just filter/ignore them.

To prevent people from listening to you, they'll throw slime. Responding to
them is asking for more of the same.

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[DFS]

Rex Ballard wrote:

> Bill took a lot of heat for attempting to switch a much of stuff to
> Windows NT servers, including the Lotus Notes servers, several smaller
> databases, and some file and print services. Several custom projects
> related to the One Pru Initiative were initially staged on Windows,
> and the unit test and integration test went OK, but the minute we got
> into system testing and performance testing, everything started
> falling apart. Most of the projects were 300% late and 500% over
> budget.

You're saying 4-month, $50,000 projects ended up requiring 16 months and
$300,000?

Bullshit.

You're just a silly person, Rex. You think cross-posting your inane drivel
to Windows groups is what - funny? clever? What it does is makes Linux
look like an operating system used by liars and fools.




> We also ended up replacing 4 Sun servers with 3600 Windows
> servers.

Liar.




> Prudential had a very unpleasant experience with NT
> 4.0, and they have substantially reduced their dependence on Windows
> servers.

Funny then that most big companies run hundreds or thousands of Windows
servers.



> Microsoft still has it's place, but not the panacea that Microsoft had
> originally promised.

Linux sure isn't the panacea the "advocates" claim it is.

 

[jwellsnaker]

I'm trying to approach Carl Thune to get a meeting with him. What makes
this guy tick? I know he handles EA and other areas...can you give me
some insight on what he would be interested in?


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