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[Mart]

D'oh! - I Pressed Send before looking!

But you (and Harry weren't there a few minutes ago. Thanks Mike.

Mart


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:%23jHRWaX$IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> One rarely needs to install drivers for optical CD or DVD drives. What
> you _might_ be referring to is any CD/DVD mastering/writing software but
> even then I've swapped drives on a number of occasions and not had to
> change my software.
>
> Correction you would might have had to install drivers if the CD-ROM was
> pre around 1997 or so when standards were more fluid.
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time
>> back running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I
>> didn't remove the old drivers in device manager before removing the
>> old CD-ROM. It is important that one does so in order to avoid
>> complications.
>> Can you verify?
>

 

[webster72n]

Thanks Mart, one can never know too much about it or any subject, for that
matter.

Harry.


"Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:uSMl$mX$IHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Harry wrote :-
>
> > Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to
> > recall quite some time back running into
> > trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive.
> > I didn't remove the old drivers in device
> > manager before removing the old CD-ROM.
> > It is important that one does so in order to
> > avoid complications. Can you verify?
>
> Good point Harry, but 'normally' it wouldn't affect CD-ROM/DVD's because
> they all (well - nearly all) rely on the same MS WinMe drivers. (Not DOS
> drivers of course - as they're on the floppy disk). However, in this case
I
> think bagger has already confirmed that there are no Drivers shown in
> Dev.Man in Safe Mode in WinMe as he'd already "Removed" them earlier. But
> its not a bad habit to get into.
>
> Whenever I "Remove" hardware using Dev.Man from a WinMe pc, I always do it
> in Safe Mode - it lets me confirm that there are no other 'rogue' devices
> and their drivers which have been previously enumerated being left lurking
> there to cause future issues. (Something you can't so easily do in Normal
> Mode. Normal Mode only shows the current 'working' driver.)
>
> Mart
>
>
>
> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OhcqLPX$IHA.1228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> > news:%23a4qaVV$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> Ah! - Progress!
> >>
> >> So, you should now recheck Corday's initial advice :-
> >> > Open case and check that all cables (between your CD-ROM and the
> >> > motherboard) are in place and tight.
> >>
> >> As things stand, your motherboard is not seeing your CD-ROM (so there's
> >> no
> >> way that WinMe would!) So, if necessary, confirm that your CD-ROM is
> >> 'Enabled' in your BIOS - but I see no reason why this could have become
> >> 'Disabled' from what you have already described. So, sadly it sounds
very
> >> much like a dead CD-ROM - see final para. below.
> >>
> >> Now to :-
> >> > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following
> >> > messages
> >> > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D.
> >> > Device driver not found 'MSCD001'
> >> > No valid CDROM device drivers selected
> >> > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM
> >> > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE
> >>
> >> This confirms the previous comments in that Real Mode DOS also does not
> > see
> >> the CD-ROM drive.
> >>
> >> But be aware, the D: drive that you are seeing is the RAMDRIVE (an area
> >> in
> >> RAM memory temporarily reserved (about 4MB of it, IIRC) by the startup
> > disk
> >> utility for 'workspace' to enable the various startup program utilities
> >> to
> >> operate in) No operations (at this point in time) take place on your C:
> >> drive so the only place left is the little bit of reserved RAM.
> >>
> >> In fact, had your CD-ROM been working, those 'boot messages' would have
> >> advised you that the CD-ROM would probably have been designated E: (not
> >> D:
> >> as I had given as an *example* - my bad!)
> >>
> >> So, next step is obtain a new replacement CD-ROM (you may as well buy a
> >> burner - even a DVD burner (and associated software) as they are not
very
> >> much dearer than a CD-ROM drive. Then remove the old and fit the new.
> >> Not
> > a
> >> particularly difficult DIY task.
> >
> > Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time
back
> > running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I didn't
> > remove
> > the old drivers in device manager before removing the old CD-ROM. It is
> > important that one does so in order to avoid complications.
> > Can you verify?
> >
> > Harry.
> >
> >>
> >> Good luck
> >>
> >> Mart
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:0ABB33DB-B522-4F4B-899A-381E76BDB8F9@microsoft.com...
> >> > >are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use
the
> >> > hairpin technique?
> >> >
> >> > yes, by checking the 2nd time.
> >> >
> >> >>the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode
DOS)?
> >> >
> >> > Ah, a closer look, doesn't show the contents of the cd, but the
> > directory
> >> > of
> >> > some system files.
> >> > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following
> >> > messages
> >> > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D.
> >> > Device driver not found 'MSCD001'
> >> > No valid CDROM device drivers selected
> >> > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM
> >> > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE
> >> >
> >> >>So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you
> > re-install
> >> >> WinMe!!
> >> >
> >> > I wouldn't do this until completely understanding the procedure.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Mart" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue?
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel?
> >> >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before
> > the
> >> >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now this puts a completely different complexion on things.
> >> >>
> >> >> Please clarify further :-
> >> >> 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and
> > with
> >> >> CD-ROM support, at the A:\> prompt, are you saying the tray won't
open
> >> >> with
> >> >> the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique?
> >> >>
> >> >> If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and
that
> >> >> issue
> >> >> alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM
> >> >>
> >> >> However, please also clarify :-
> >> >> 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN
successfully
> >> >> complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you
can
> > see
> >> >> the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode
DOS)?
> >> >>
> >> >> So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you
> > re-install
> >> >> WinMe!!
> >> >>
> >> >> Mart
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:3818E0F3-DC7C-40F6-803F-EC99788032B3@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time.
> >> >> > History- i know just enough to be dangerous.
> >> >> > this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me
> >> >> > install
> >> >> > win
> >> >> > ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created
> >> >> > version
> >> >> > soup.
> >> >> > After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of
> >> >> > reinstalling
> >> >> > IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some
> > errors
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing
> > like
> >> >> > what
> >> >> > has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>(well, quickest and easiest) solution
> >> >> > with me as an operator may not be true
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>aspi2dos.sys was missing
> >> >> > that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>need to create a boot disk?
> >> >> > after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't
> >> >> > going
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk?
> >> >> > don't know, just stabbing for answers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> as in it didn't restore at all?,
> >> >> > yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys
> >> >> > restore
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should
> > have
> >> >> > created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed
the
> >> >> > patch
> >> >> > which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date &
sys
> >> >> > restore
> >> >> > worked.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>clarify exactly which CD-ROM
> >> >> > the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which
has
> > the
> >> >> > problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read
> > only
> >> >> > after
> >> >> > about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought
a
> >> >> > periphal
> >> >> > usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel?
> >> >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before
> > the
> >> >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when
> >> >> >>you
> >> >> >>re-booted (into Normal Mode)
> >> >> > OK, i understand.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system
files)
> >> >> >>WinMe
> >> >> >> installation.
> >> >> > Any suggestions on procedures to do this?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Mart" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean
> >> >> >> install
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It
> > would
> >> >> >> certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your
> > WinMe
> >> >> >> installation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread
> > ring
> >> >> >> little alarm bells.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in
> >> >> >> itself
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question
why.
> >> >> >> This
> >> >> >> leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need
to
> >> >> >> create
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but
if
> > you
> >> >> >> weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then
> > what
> >> >> >> were
> >> >> >> you thinking of doing with the boot disk?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and
> >> >> >> latest
> >> >> >> cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or
just
> >> >> >> didn't
> >> >> >> fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So
> > please
> >> >> >> clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article
> >> >> >> fixes
> >> >> >> which
> >> >> >> makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become
> >> >> >> damaged -
> >> >> >> and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I
> >> >> >> start
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> agree with Corday's solution.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply re:
> >> >> >> suggestion#2, when you said :-
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did
you
> >> >> >> expect
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not
> > even
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> been loaded so how else would you open & close it?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> and then :-
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr
> >> >> >> > in the safe mode after performing #1.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1,
then
> > it
> >> >> >> won't
> >> >> >> show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted
> > (into
> >> >> >> Normal Mode)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system
> >> >> >> files)
> >> >> >> WinMe
> >> >> >> installation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Mart
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Corday" <10Swinner@net.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:88CF19E0-CD8A-48B8-B4D5-E82D2012DDDF@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> > NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You
> > might
> >> >> >> > try
> >> >> >> > their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME
> >> >> >> > reinstall
> >> >> >> > might be inorder.
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > I mastered Wordstar graphics!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "bagger" wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > 1.
> >> >> >> >> didn't work.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >2. If 1 is not successful,
> >> >> >> >> this worked,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the
cdrom
> >> >> >> >> does
> >> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> >> show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1.
> >> >> >> >> Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to
> > read
> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> picture
> >> >> >> >> disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in
my
> >> >> >> >> external
> >> >> >> >> burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs
old)
> >> >> >> >> also
> >> >> >> >> when
> >> >> >> >> booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> Dell
> >> >> >> >> logo &
> >> >> >> >> Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys
> >> >> >> >> restore
> >> >> >> >> function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but
> >> >> >> >> lost
> >> >> >> >> all
> >> >> >> >> previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics
on
> > the
> >> >> >> >> system
> >> >> >> >> per kb articles.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "Mart" wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager!
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Hmm .. In Normal Mode?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT ..
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't
> >> >> >> >> > loaded
> >> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> >> > Safe
> >> >> >> >> > Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows
> >> >> >> >> > Explorer
> >> >> >> >> > etc., it
> >> >> >> >> > will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as
'left-over'
> >> >> >> >> > from
> >> >> >> >> > previous
> >> >> >> >> > 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However ....
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Two suggested courses of action :-
> >> >> >> >> > 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM
(and
> >> >> >> >> > controllers)
> >> >> >> >> > then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install
> >> >> >> >> > it/them.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM.
> >> >> >> >> > Therefore
> >> >> >> >> > Boot
> >> >> >> >> > using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM
support
> >> >> >> >> > option.
> >> >> >> >> > If all
> >> >> >> >> > boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated
to
> >> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> >> > CD-ROM
> >> >> >> >> > (e.g. D and at the A:\> prompt, (don't select, or close
the
> >> >> >> >> > Help
> >> >> >> >> > Page) try
> >> >> >> >> > inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter
> >> >> >> >> > (e.g. at the A:\> prompt, type D: (D colon) and press
Return.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > The A:\> prompt SHOULD change to a D:\> prompt.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > If so, then that's a good start.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Now at the D:\> prompt, type DIR and press Return.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to
be
> >> >> >> >> > working
> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the
> >> >> >> >> > thread,
> > I
> >> >> >> >> > just
> >> >> >> >> > wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about".
> >> >> >> >> > Let
> >> >> >> >> > us
> >> >> >> >> > know
> >> >> >> >> > how
> >> >> >> >> > you get on.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Mart
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > news:880492C2-459D-41AB-B7C6-58F72B1D1D97@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >> > > OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not
in
> >> >> >> >> > > the
> >> >> >> >> > > device
> >> >> >> >> > > manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange).
> >> >> >> >> > > performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in
> > the
> >> >> >> >> > > bios
> >> >> >> >> > > version
> >> >> >> >> > > line.
> >> >> >> >> > > Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad.
> >> >> >> >> > > Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function,
> > however
> >> >> >> >> > > lost
> >> >> >> >> > > all
> >> >> >> >> > > previous dates were lost which is understandable.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > "Corday" wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >> Open case and check that all cables are in place and
tight.
> >> >> >> >> > >> Corday
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> "bagger" wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> > i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than
first
> >> >> >> >> > >> > thought.
> >> >> >> >> > >> > it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the
> > system
> >> >> >> >> > >> > locked
> >> >> >> >> > >> > up.
> >> >> >> >> > >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > >> > CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see
it
> > in
> >> >> >> >> > >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > >> > device
> >> >> >> >> > >> > manager or control panel. did a virus check,
scandisk,
> >> >> >> >> > >> > defrag
> >> >> >> >> > >> > all OK.
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Did a
> >> >> >> >> > >> > scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried
sys
> >> >> >> >> > >> > restore,
> >> >> >> >> > >> > was
> >> >> >> >> > >> > not
> >> >> >> >> > >> > successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to
> >> >> >> >> > >> > boot
> >> >> >> >> > >> > but
> >> >> >> >> > >> > does.
> >> >> >> >> > >> > printer,
> >> >> >> >> > >> > external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > "Mike M" wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

[Mike M]

Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

> D'oh! - I Pressed Send before looking!
>
> But you (and Harry weren't there a few minutes ago. Thanks Mike.

Well I shouldn't have butted in Mart. Sorry about that.

Mike

 

[Mart]

Hey Mike, nowt to be sorry for. Heck, its good to know that I'm not (always)
talking thru' my b******e. Can't beat a bit of back-up <g>

BTW - any progress with freesat? Olympics certainly look better in HD.

Mart


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:%23tfKoWZ$IHA.792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>
>> D'oh! - I Pressed Send before looking!
>>
>> But you (and Harry weren't there a few minutes ago. Thanks Mike.
>
> Well I shouldn't have butted in Mart. Sorry about that.
>
> Mike

 

[Mike M]

Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

> Hey Mike, nowt to be sorry for. Heck, its good to know that I'm not
> (always) talking thru' my b******e. Can't beat a bit of back-up <g>
>
> BTW - any progress with freesat? Olympics certainly look better in
> HD.

Olympics? Is that something I should be watching? <g> My TV has been on
holiday since last Thursday and won't be returning until the end of the
month!

Freesat. No progress as yet. In part due to laziness and part due to
having spent most of my unallocated cash for the next couple of months.
Anyone want a well-used PC? My old #3 PC (AMD XP something or other) died
and elder daughter got a bit worked up when I said I wasn't going to
replace it (she used it for graphics work when she is here) and that she
should instead use a laptop. Got me thinking that my newest PC was now
quite old. Bad thing. In due course this box (AMD64 3200+ 2GB) is going
to take the place of the dead PC which is now completely rebuilt and being
tested with various OSs. I've currently got it running Vista Ultimate x64
SP1. Quite nippy now! Am hoping that having moved to an Intel Core 2 Duo
I'll be able to use my Hauppauge Nova T500 dual digital tuner card which I
haven't been using for a while due to it blue screening when run on AMD64s
with nForce chipsets. If that all works out then freesat is on hold for a
bit.
--
Mike

 

[bagger]

Thnks, Mart & everyone who chimed in.

> So, you should now recheck Corday's initial advice :-

Rechecked the 2nd time, OK, cables look & feel solid. Pwred up the computer
after about 5 minutes noise from the cdrom similar to a smoke alarm. Shut
down the computer & removed the pwr connector from the cdrom. Now computer
boots much faster, no delay between the Dell & Windows logo.

> 'Enabled' in your BIOS
Not sure how to do that, could you explain?

> So, next step is obtain a new replacement CD-ROM

Probably look for an original equipment because the use of the computer &
not introducing possible other problems.



"Mart" wrote:

> Ah! - Progress!
>
> So, you should now recheck Corday's initial advice :-
> > Open case and check that all cables (between your CD-ROM and the
> > motherboard) are in place and tight.
>
> As things stand, your motherboard is not seeing your CD-ROM (so there's no
> way that WinMe would!) So, if necessary, confirm that your CD-ROM is
> 'Enabled' in your BIOS - but I see no reason why this could have become
> 'Disabled' from what you have already described. So, sadly it sounds very
> much like a dead CD-ROM - see final para. below.
>
> Now to :-
> > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following
> > messages
> > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D.
> > Device driver not found 'MSCD001'
> > No valid CDROM device drivers selected
> > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM
> > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE
>
> This confirms the previous comments in that Real Mode DOS also does not see
> the CD-ROM drive.
>
> But be aware, the D: drive that you are seeing is the RAMDRIVE (an area in
> RAM memory temporarily reserved (about 4MB of it, IIRC) by the startup disk
> utility for 'workspace' to enable the various startup program utilities to
> operate in) No operations (at this point in time) take place on your C:
> drive so the only place left is the little bit of reserved RAM.
>
> In fact, had your CD-ROM been working, those 'boot messages' would have
> advised you that the CD-ROM would probably have been designated E: (not D:
> as I had given as an *example* - my bad!)
>
> So, next step is obtain a new replacement CD-ROM (you may as well buy a
> burner - even a DVD burner (and associated software) as they are not very
> much dearer than a CD-ROM drive. Then remove the old and fit the new. Not a
> particularly difficult DIY task.
>
> Good luck
>
> Mart
>
>
>
> "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0ABB33DB-B522-4F4B-899A-381E76BDB8F9@microsoft.com...
> > >are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the
> > hairpin technique?
> >
> > yes, by checking the 2nd time.
> >
> >>the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)?
> >
> > Ah, a closer look, doesn't show the contents of the cd, but the directory
> > of
> > some system files.
> > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following
> > messages
> > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D.
> > Device driver not found 'MSCD001'
> > No valid CDROM device drivers selected
> > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM
> > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE
> >
> >>So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install
> >> WinMe!!
> >
> > I wouldn't do this until completely understanding the procedure.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mart" wrote:
> >
> >> Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue?
> >>
> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel?
> >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the
> >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique.
> >>
> >> Now this puts a completely different complexion on things.
> >>
> >> Please clarify further :-
> >> 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and with
> >> CD-ROM support, at the A:\> prompt, are you saying the tray won't open
> >> with
> >> the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique?
> >>
> >> If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that
> >> issue
> >> alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM
> >>
> >> However, please also clarify :-
> >> 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully
> >> complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can see
> >> the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)?
> >>
> >> So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install
> >> WinMe!!
> >>
> >> Mart
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:3818E0F3-DC7C-40F6-803F-EC99788032B3@microsoft.com...
> >> > Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time.
> >> > History- i know just enough to be dangerous.
> >> > this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me
> >> > install
> >> > win
> >> > ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created version
> >> > soup.
> >> > After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of
> >> > reinstalling
> >> > IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some errors
> >> > on
> >> > occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing like
> >> > what
> >> > has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks.
> >> >
> >> >>(well, quickest and easiest) solution
> >> > with me as an operator may not be true
> >> >
> >> >>aspi2dos.sys was missing
> >> > that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box
> >> >
> >> >>need to create a boot disk?
> >> > after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't
> >> > going
> >> > to
> >> > boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows.
> >> >
> >> >>then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk?
> >> > don't know, just stabbing for answers.
> >> >
> >> >> as in it didn't restore at all?,
> >> > yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys
> >> > restore
> >> > to
> >> > an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should have
> >> > created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the
> >> > patch
> >> > which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys
> >> > restore
> >> > worked.
> >> >
> >> >>clarify exactly which CD-ROM
> >> > the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has the
> >> > problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read only
> >> > after
> >> > about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a
> >> > periphal
> >> > usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system
> >> >
> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel?
> >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the
> >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique.
> >> >
> >> >>then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you
> >> >>re-booted (into Normal Mode)
> >> > OK, i understand.
> >> >
> >> >>Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files)
> >> >>WinMe
> >> >> installation.
> >> > Any suggestions on procedures to do this?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Mart" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean
> >> >> install
> >> >> of
> >> >> WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would
> >> >> certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was
> >> >> successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe
> >> >> installation.
> >> >>
> >> >> However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring
> >> >> little alarm bells.
> >> >>
> >> >> You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in
> >> >> itself
> >> >> is
> >> >> no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why.
> >> >> This
> >> >> leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to
> >> >> create
> >> >> a
> >> >> boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you
> >> >> weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what
> >> >> were
> >> >> you thinking of doing with the boot disk?
> >> >>
> >> >> Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and
> >> >> latest
> >> >> cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just
> >> >> didn't
> >> >> fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me).
> >> >>
> >> >> But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please
> >> >> clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes
> >> >> which
> >> >> makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become
> >> >> damaged -
> >> >> and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I
> >> >> start
> >> >> to
> >> >> agree with Corday's solution.
> >> >>
> >> >> But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply re:
> >> >> suggestion#2, when you said :-
> >> >>
> >> >> > this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door.
> >> >>
> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you
> >> >> expect
> >> >> to
> >> >> open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even
> >> >> have
> >> >> been loaded so how else would you open & close it?
> >> >>
> >> >> and then :-
> >> >>
> >> >> > Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr
> >> >> > in the safe mode after performing #1.
> >> >>
> >> >> Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it
> >> >> won't
> >> >> show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into
> >> >> Normal Mode)
> >> >>
> >> >> Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files)
> >> >> WinMe
> >> >> installation.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mart
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Corday" <10Swinner@net.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:88CF19E0-CD8A-48B8-B4D5-E82D2012DDDF@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might
> >> >> > try
> >> >> > their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME
> >> >> > reinstall
> >> >> > might be inorder.
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > I mastered Wordstar graphics!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "bagger" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > 1.
> >> >> >> didn't work.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >2. If 1 is not successful,
> >> >> >> this worked,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom
> >> >> >> does
> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1.
> >> >> >> Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> picture
> >> >> >> disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my
> >> >> >> external
> >> >> >> burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old)
> >> >> >> also
> >> >> >> when
> >> >> >> booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the
> >> >> >> Dell
> >> >> >> logo &
> >> >> >> Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys
> >> >> >> restore
> >> >> >> function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost
> >> >> >> all
> >> >> >> previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the
> >> >> >> system
> >> >> >> per kb articles.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Mart" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Hmm .. In Normal Mode?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT ..
> >> >> >> >

 

[Mart]

Well that sounds encouraging!

Don't worry about your BIOS - as you haven't been into it, things shouldn't
have changed.

I don't know about your Dell model in particular but I'm quite sure that the
original CD-ROM is a 'bog-standard' IDE model, probably made at the factory
on the road just off the High Street in Taiwan and re-badged with a Dell
logo.

Unless it is not a standard 5 1/2 inch unit, then just pick one up (and
burning software, if required) from your local PC store. Ask their advice if
necessary and take your old one with you. It will be FAR cheaper than buying
thru' Dell - assuming that they could/would be able to supply one.

Mart



"bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:373D29A9-99C5-49CC-ABA0-693911395165@microsoft.com...
> Thnks, Mart & everyone who chimed in.
>
>> So, you should now recheck Corday's initial advice :-
>
> Rechecked the 2nd time, OK, cables look & feel solid. Pwred up the
> computer
> after about 5 minutes noise from the cdrom similar to a smoke alarm. Shut
> down the computer & removed the pwr connector from the cdrom. Now
> computer
> boots much faster, no delay between the Dell & Windows logo.
>
>> 'Enabled' in your BIOS
> Not sure how to do that, could you explain?
>
>> So, next step is obtain a new replacement CD-ROM
>
> Probably look for an original equipment because the use of the computer &
> not introducing possible other problems.
>
>
>
> "Mart" wrote:
>
>> Ah! - Progress!
>>
>> So, you should now recheck Corday's initial advice :-
>> > Open case and check that all cables (between your CD-ROM and the
>> > motherboard) are in place and tight.
>>
>> As things stand, your motherboard is not seeing your CD-ROM (so there's
>> no
>> way that WinMe would!) So, if necessary, confirm that your CD-ROM is
>> 'Enabled' in your BIOS - but I see no reason why this could have become
>> 'Disabled' from what you have already described. So, sadly it sounds very
>> much like a dead CD-ROM - see final para. below.
>>
>> Now to :-
>> > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following
>> > messages
>> > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D.
>> > Device driver not found 'MSCD001'
>> > No valid CDROM device drivers selected
>> > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM
>> > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE
>>
>> This confirms the previous comments in that Real Mode DOS also does not
>> see
>> the CD-ROM drive.
>>
>> But be aware, the D: drive that you are seeing is the RAMDRIVE (an area
>> in
>> RAM memory temporarily reserved (about 4MB of it, IIRC) by the startup
>> disk
>> utility for 'workspace' to enable the various startup program utilities
>> to
>> operate in) No operations (at this point in time) take place on your C:
>> drive so the only place left is the little bit of reserved RAM.
>>
>> In fact, had your CD-ROM been working, those 'boot messages' would have
>> advised you that the CD-ROM would probably have been designated E: (not
>> D:
>> as I had given as an *example* - my bad!)
>>
>> So, next step is obtain a new replacement CD-ROM (you may as well buy a
>> burner - even a DVD burner (and associated software) as they are not very
>> much dearer than a CD-ROM drive. Then remove the old and fit the new.
>> Not a
>> particularly difficult DIY task.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Mart
>>
>>
>>
>> "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:0ABB33DB-B522-4F4B-899A-381E76BDB8F9@microsoft.com...
>> > >are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the
>> > hairpin technique?
>> >
>> > yes, by checking the 2nd time.
>> >
>> >>the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)?
>> >
>> > Ah, a closer look, doesn't show the contents of the cd, but the
>> > directory
>> > of
>> > some system files.
>> > also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following
>> > messages
>> > The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D.
>> > Device driver not found 'MSCD001'
>> > No valid CDROM device drivers selected
>> > There may be a problem with your CD-ROM
>> > Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE
>> >
>> >>So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you
>> >>re-install
>> >> WinMe!!
>> >
>> > I wouldn't do this until completely understanding the procedure.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Mart" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue?
>> >>
>> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel?
>> >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before
>> >> > the
>> >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique.
>> >>
>> >> Now this puts a completely different complexion on things.
>> >>
>> >> Please clarify further :-
>> >> 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and
>> >> with
>> >> CD-ROM support, at the A:\> prompt, are you saying the tray won't open
>> >> with
>> >> the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique?
>> >>
>> >> If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that
>> >> issue
>> >> alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM
>> >>
>> >> However, please also clarify :-
>> >> 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully
>> >> complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can
>> >> see
>> >> the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)?
>> >>
>> >> So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you
>> >> re-install
>> >> WinMe!!
>> >>
>> >> Mart
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "bagger" <bagger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:3818E0F3-DC7C-40F6-803F-EC99788032B3@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time.
>> >> > History- i know just enough to be dangerous.
>> >> > this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me
>> >> > install
>> >> > win
>> >> > ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created
>> >> > version
>> >> > soup.
>> >> > After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of
>> >> > reinstalling
>> >> > IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some
>> >> > errors
>> >> > on
>> >> > occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing
>> >> > like
>> >> > what
>> >> > has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks.
>> >> >
>> >> >>(well, quickest and easiest) solution
>> >> > with me as an operator may not be true
>> >> >
>> >> >>aspi2dos.sys was missing
>> >> > that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box
>> >> >
>> >> >>need to create a boot disk?
>> >> > after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't
>> >> > going
>> >> > to
>> >> > boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows.
>> >> >
>> >> >>then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk?
>> >> > don't know, just stabbing for answers.
>> >> >
>> >> >> as in it didn't restore at all?,
>> >> > yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys
>> >> > restore
>> >> > to
>> >> > an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should
>> >> > have
>> >> > created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the
>> >> > patch
>> >> > which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys
>> >> > restore
>> >> > worked.
>> >> >
>> >> >>clarify exactly which CD-ROM
>> >> > the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has
>> >> > the
>> >> > problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read
>> >> > only
>> >> > after
>> >> > about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a
>> >> > periphal
>> >> > usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system
>> >> >
>> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel?
>> >> > sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before
>> >> > the
>> >> > problem). had to use the hairpin technique.
>> >> >
>> >> >>then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when
>> >> >>you
>> >> >>re-booted (into Normal Mode)
>> >> > OK, i understand.
>> >> >
>> >> >>Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files)
>> >> >>WinMe
>> >> >> installation.
>> >> > Any suggestions on procedures to do this?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Mart" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean
>> >> >> install
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It
>> >> >> would
>> >> >> certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your
>> >> >> WinMe
>> >> >> installation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread
>> >> >> ring
>> >> >> little alarm bells.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in
>> >> >> itself
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why.
>> >> >> This
>> >> >> leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to
>> >> >> create
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then
>> >> >> what
>> >> >> were
>> >> >> you thinking of doing with the boot disk?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and
>> >> >> latest
>> >> >> cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just
>> >> >> didn't
>> >> >> fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So
>> >> >> please
>> >> >> clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article
>> >> >> fixes
>> >> >> which
>> >> >> makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become
>> >> >> damaged -
>> >> >> and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I
>> >> >> start
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> agree with Corday's solution.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply re:
>> >> >> suggestion#2, when you said :-
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you
>> >> >> expect
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not
>> >> >> even
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> been loaded so how else would you open & close it?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> and then :-
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr
>> >> >> > in the safe mode after performing #1.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> won't
>> >> >> show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted
>> >> >> (into
>> >> >> Normal Mode)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system
>> >> >> files)
>> >> >> WinMe
>> >> >> installation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mart
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Corday" <10Swinner@net.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:88CF19E0-CD8A-48B8-B4D5-E82D2012DDDF@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You
>> >> >> > might
>> >> >> > try
>> >> >> > their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME
>> >> >> > reinstall
>> >> >> > might be inorder.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > I mastered Wordstar graphics!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "bagger" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > 1.
>> >> >> >> didn't work.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >2. If 1 is not successful,
>> >> >> >> this worked,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom
>> >> >> >> does
>> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1.
>> >> >> >> Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to
>> >> >> >> read
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> picture
>> >> >> >> disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my
>> >> >> >> external
>> >> >> >> burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old)
>> >> >> >> also
>> >> >> >> when
>> >> >> >> booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> Dell
>> >> >> >> logo &
>> >> >> >> Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys
>> >> >> >> restore
>> >> >> >> function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but
>> >> >> >> lost
>> >> >> >> all
>> >> >> >> previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> system
>> >> >> >> per kb articles.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Mart" wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Hmm .. In Normal Mode?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT ..
>> >> >> >> >