How to legally run Vista-32/Vista-64 on PC?

[Mark Conrad]

Hello,

Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
on the same computer?

I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this,
so thought I would try this NG.

Computer is presently running Vista-32.

What I really want to do is _alternately_ run the
two different OSs at different times, possibly even on
the same day. I have a reason for doing it this way.

Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the
same machine with the same operator, me.

Tough question think I really should ask someone at
Microsoft, but do not know where to ask.

Thanks all for your time reading this,

Mark-

 

[Paul Montgomery]

On Sep 1, 10:27 pm, Mark Conrad <non...@urbusiness.invalid> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
> on the same computer?

You can legally run as many OSs on one computer as you've individually/
separately paid for.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

The end user license agreement (EULA) only allows you to run one version of the operating system at a time. You may not dual boot
both operating systems.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

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"Mark Conrad" <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote in message news:noneof-226906.20265801092008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...

Hello,

Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
on the same computer?

I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this,
so thought I would try this NG.

Computer is presently running Vista-32.

What I really want to do is _alternately_ run the
two different OSs at different times, possibly even on
the same day. I have a reason for doing it this way.

Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the
same machine with the same operator, me.

Tough question think I really should ask someone at
Microsoft, but do not know where to ask.

Thanks all for your time reading this,

Mark-

 

[Earle Horton]

The way I read it you would have to buy two copies. It sounds as if you
have purchased a copy of Vista that comes with two media, one for 32-bit and
one for 64-bit. Buy another one just like that, or buy a license to install
the same product a second time. Then you could legally install both
versions.

Earle

"Mark Conrad" <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote in message
news:noneof-226906.20265801092008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
> on the same computer?
>
> I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this,
> so thought I would try this NG.
>
> Computer is presently running Vista-32.
>
> What I really want to do is _alternately_ run the
> two different OSs at different times, possibly even on
> the same day. I have a reason for doing it this way.
>
> Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the
> same machine with the same operator, me.
>
> Tough question think I really should ask someone at
> Microsoft, but do not know where to ask.
>
> Thanks all for your time reading this,
>
> Mark-

 

[SIW2]

Two product keys - means buying it twice.

SIW2


--
SIW2

 

[HÅrÐhęãÐ]

Here's a little more info if you are thinking about running VM.
'Vista virtualization: The bigger picture | Ed Bott’s Microsoft
Report | ZDNet.com' (http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=360)


--
HÅrÐhęãÐ

 

[Rick Rogers]

Hi,

Your license is for a single installation to a device. This could be either
32 or 64 bit, but not both simultaneously unless you have two licenses, even
though you cannot physically use both at the same time. That would be the
legal standpoint, technically it will work but you will likely have to phone
in the second installation.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

"Mark Conrad" <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote in message
news:noneof-226906.20265801092008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
> on the same computer?
>
> I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this,
> so thought I would try this NG.
>
> Computer is presently running Vista-32.
>
> What I really want to do is _alternately_ run the
> two different OSs at different times, possibly even on
> the same day. I have a reason for doing it this way.
>
> Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the
> same machine with the same operator, me.
>
> Tough question think I really should ask someone at
> Microsoft, but do not know where to ask.
>
> Thanks all for your time reading this,
>
> Mark-

 

[Mark Conrad]

In article <EE19150F-2295-460D-91A5-E948A59157B8@microsoft.com>,
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

> You may not dual boot both operating systems.

Thanks, that nails it down.

I already have a 2nd Vista Ultimate retail boxed
product that I bought about two months ago, but
have never used yet.

Hope no one minds if I vent a little about that $MS
policy, which seems a bit heavy handed to me.



In any case, will use my 2nd license, at least until
I get a separate machine to run the 64-bit version on.

One more question, will it be much of a hassle to
transfer my 64-bit license over to the new machine?

I hope not.

Until then, I plan to run both OSs on the same computer,
which in my case involves temporarily kicking the 32-bit
version off my one computer, then replacing it with
the 64-bit version. Takes slightly less than an hour.

Same time going the other way, from 64-bit to 32-bit.

32-bit version has a well trained Dragon medical app
($1,400) - which took me about a month to train.

Only reason I am running the 64-bit OS is to gain
practical experience with it, because some feel that
64-bit OSs are reasonably close to displacing the
present 32-bit OSs, in use at the present time.

Thanks everyone for the info,

Mark-

 

[Alias]

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> The end user license agreement (EULA) only allows you to run one version of the operating system at a time. You may not dual boot
> both operating systems.
>

Yep, Microsoft just loves to tell you how you *can't* use their
software. Open Source, OTOH, tell you what you *can* do with your
software. Microsoft's days are numbered. You better start learning Open
Source, Carey, although there is no MVP status to gotten, sorry.

Alias

 

[Mr GRiM]

I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
with the same key. I also dual boot on my main computer with Vista
Ultimate 64-bit under a different key, although it did tell me when
activating my second machine that the product had already been
activated. I then had to activate the second over the phone with a
reason for using the key for a second time, I just said that I had done
a upgrade and it was still the same computer.

Microsoft does not ask for any personal details and it is totally
anonymous!

Hope this helps but it seems you already have a second copy, so I guess
it doesn't really matter anyway.


--
Mr GRiM

 

[SIW2]

Hi,

Thought you were planning on dual booting.

You can get a second product key if you need to make a major change to
your system e.g. new motherboard, or if you need to change to a new
machine because your original one has given up the ghost - see the end
of this link for how to get the toll free number to call microsoft

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/84488-activate-vista-phone.html

You certainly need to ring for a new key with an OEM version, but I
have heard of some people reinstalling the Retail version on another
machine without having to call - maybe they allow this extra install by
default in Retail versions - haven't done it myself, though.

It is possible to install and run it for a 30 day trial - believe you
can do this while skipping inserting the product key - this link
contains info. on how to skip inserting product key

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/68767-clean-install-upgrade-vista.html

You won't get Windows updates if you haven't inserted product key -
either don't connect to the net, or use third party security apps. ,
browser and mail client that will update themselves. Must stop using it
as a trial by 30 days and either remove it completely from the system
( reinstall the 32bit and during the reinstall process format the
partition the trial o/s is on ) - or if you want to keep it on, insert
the prod. key.

SIW2


--
SIW2

 

[SIW2]

Sounds a bit naughty Mr Grim - still you have paid for two versions.

SIW2


--
SIW2

 

[Paul Montgomery]

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:58:56 -0700, Mark Conrad
<noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote:

>In article <EE19150F-2295-460D-91A5-E948A59157B8@microsoft.com>,
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You may not dual boot both operating systems.
>
>Thanks, that nails it down.
>
>I already have a 2nd Vista Ultimate retail boxed
>product that I bought about two months ago, but
>have never used yet.

Which means that you have a different key for each version, right?

If so, dual boot to your heart's content.

 

[wwoods]

Mr GRiM826333 Wrote:
> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
> with the same key.

So, in other words, youre a thief ?


--
wwoods

 

[wwoods]

Mr GRiM826333 Wrote:
> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
> with the same key. I also dual boot on my main computer with Vista
> Ultimate 64-bit under a different key, although it did tell me when
> activating my second machine that the product had already been
> activated. I then had to activate the second over the phone with a
> reason for using the key for a second time, I just said that I had done
> a upgrade and it was still the same computer.
>
> Microsoft does not ask for any personal details and it is totally
> anonymous!
>
> .

So, in other words you lied and are a thief ?


--
wwoods

 

[Mr GRiM]

if you want to put it that way then i guess the answer is yes but I have
only stolen from myself and I hardly use home premium on my dual boot
system anyway.

I could do away with it all together really and get some space back,
the only problem is that I installed home premium first and I don't
think I can remove it with out doing a total reinstall of Vista ultimate
as well, as the other is the primary boot drive.

I have tried to remove the drive with home premium on it and the system
would not boot at all.
I thought I might be able to restore it using the the repair from the
OS disc but it would not work until i put the removed drive back in.


--
Mr GRiM

 

[Alias]

wwoods wrote:
> Mr GRiM826333 Wrote:
>> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
>> with the same key.
>
> So, in other words, youre a thief ?
>
>

Um, violating a unconscionable EULA is, at most, a civil offense.
Stealing is a criminal offense. If and when Microsoft grows the balls to
take someone to court for violating an EULA, we will know if the EULA
is, indeed, legal or a monopolistic abuse on the part of Microsoft. They
would have to take someone to court in each and every country where
Microsoft products are sold.

Of course, why should they when their FUD obviously convinces people
like you?

Alias

 

[Alias]

wwoods wrote:
> Mr GRiM826333 Wrote:
>> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
>> with the same key. I also dual boot on my main computer with Vista
>> Ultimate 64-bit under a different key, although it did tell me when
>> activating my second machine that the product had already been
>> activated. I then had to activate the second over the phone with a
>> reason for using the key for a second time, I just said that I had done
>> a upgrade and it was still the same computer.
>>
>> Microsoft does not ask for any personal details and it is totally
>> anonymous!
>>
>> .
>
> So, in other words you lied and are a thief ?

Um, violating a unconscionable EULA is, at most, a civil offense.
Stealing is a criminal offense. If and when Microsoft grows the balls to
take someone to court for violating an EULA, we will know if the EULA
is, indeed, legal or a monopolistic abuse on the part of Microsoft. They
would have to take someone to court in each and every country where
Microsoft products are sold.

Of course, why should they when their FUD obviously convinces people
like you?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Mr GRiM wrote:
> if you want to put it that way then i guess the answer is yes but I have
> only stolen from myself and I hardly use home premium on my dual boot
> system anyway.
>
> I could do away with it all together really and get some space back,
> the only problem is that I installed home premium first and I don't
> think I can remove it with out doing a total reinstall of Vista ultimate
> as well, as the other is the primary boot drive.
>
> I have tried to remove the drive with home premium on it and the system
> would not boot at all.
> I thought I might be able to restore it using the the repair from the
> OS disc but it would not work until i put the removed drive back in.

Um, violating a unconscionable EULA is, at most, a civil offense.
Stealing is a criminal offense. If and when Microsoft grows the balls to
take someone to court for violating an EULA, we will know if the EULA
is, indeed, legal or a monopolistic abuse on the part of Microsoft. They
would have to take someone to court in each and every country where
Microsoft products are sold.

Alias

 

[fb]

Alias wrote:
> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>
>> The end user license agreement (EULA) only allows you to run one
>> version of the operating system at a time. You may not dual boot both
>> operating systems.
>>
>
> Yep, Microsoft just loves to tell you how you *can't* use their
> software.

I bet that really irritates a known and admitted thief like you.

Open Source, OTOH, tell you what you *can* do with your
> software.

Nothing is the correct answer.

Microsoft's days are numbered.

hehehe...they'll out live you and piss on your grave!

You better start learning Open
> Source, Carey, although there is no MVP status to gotten, sorry.

"to gotten"...improper English but what can you expect from a GED?...LOL!