How to Protect yourself from malware! (This item is NOT SPAM)

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~BD~

"Make sure you get your system protected from ocurrences of malware
problems. Below are some simple steps you can take to reduce the chance of
infection in the future. I strongly encourage you to do them all. There is
no perfect solution for totally preventing malware from getting on your PC,
however, these steps will help."

So begins an item by 'Chaslang' at Major Geeks Support Forums. You may read
it here:- http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44525

Although the item is dated 10.10.04 please note that it was last edited by
chaslang 06-17-08

THERE IS MUCH HELPFUL INFORMATION PUBLISHED THERE!

Please note that this item is NOT SPAM and has been 'promoted' here without
the knowledge of 'Chaslang' with the simple aim of helping others
............. and for no other reason!

I hope it helps!

Dave
 
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rjdriver

"~BD~" wrote in message
news:OIR1S421IHA.4852@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "Make sure you get your system protected from ocurrences of malware
> problems. Below are some simple steps you can take to reduce the chance of
> infection in the future. I strongly encourage you to do them all. There is
> no perfect solution for totally preventing malware from getting on your
> PC, however, these steps will help."
>
> So begins an item by 'Chaslang' at Major Geeks Support Forums. You may
> read it here:- http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44525
>
> Although the item is dated 10.10.04 please note that it was last edited by
> chaslang 06-17-08
>
> THERE IS MUCH HELPFUL INFORMATION PUBLISHED THERE!
>
> Please note that this item is NOT SPAM and has been 'promoted' here
> without the knowledge of 'Chaslang' with the simple aim of helping others
> ............ and for no other reason!
>
> I hope it helps!
>
> Dave


I'll second that! The Major Geeks forum post listed above
is an excellent guide to keeping your computer free of malware. Concise,
easy to read, with links to download the need apps. There are many other
good guides like this out there, but it never hurts to spread the word about
any of them. Good find Dave.

Bob
 
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~BD~

"rjdriver" wrote in message
news:uHRApOE2IHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> "~BD~" wrote in message
> news:OIR1S421IHA.4852@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "Make sure you get your system protected from ocurrences of malware
>> problems. Below are some simple steps you can take to reduce the chance
>> of infection in the future. I strongly encourage you to do them all.
>> There is no perfect solution for totally preventing malware from getting
>> on your PC, however, these steps will help."
>>
>> So begins an item by 'Chaslang' at Major Geeks Support Forums. You may
>> read it here:- http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44525
>>
>> Although the item is dated 10.10.04 please note that it was last edited
>> by chaslang 06-17-08
>>
>> THERE IS MUCH HELPFUL INFORMATION PUBLISHED THERE!
>>
>> Please note that this item is NOT SPAM and has been 'promoted' here
>> without the knowledge of 'Chaslang' with the simple aim of helping others
>> ............ and for no other reason!
>>
>> I hope it helps!
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> I'll second that! The Major Geeks forum post listed
> above is an excellent guide to keeping your computer free of malware.
> Concise, easy to read, with links to download the need apps. There are
> many other good guides like this out there, but it never hurts to spread
> the word about any of them. Good find Dave.
>
> Bob
>
>

Thanks for your support, Bob.

Motion carried!
smile.gif
 
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Root Kit

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:50:53 -0400, "rjdriver"
wrote:


> I'll second that!

I most definately won't.

>the Major Geeks forum post listed above
>is an excellent guide to keeping your computer free of malware. Concise,
>easy to read, with links to download the need apps. There are many other
>good guides like this out there, but it never hurts to spread the word about
>any of them. Good find Dave.

It's mostly the usual common knowledge security nonsense:

Install this, install that, MS firewall is bad, frequently scan for
this, frequently scan for that....

Only a few true goodies like "Use restriced user accounts" and
"Security starts with you" is found there.

Most hilarious part is that the poster labels him- or herself "Malware
Expert". That's a biiiiig LOL. The steps on how to deal with malware
infections clearly shows he or she is not even close to being an
"expert".
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

Please don't feed the trolls.

Root Kit wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:50:53 -0400, "rjdriver"
> wrote:
>
>
>> I'll second that!
>
> I most definately won't.
>
>> the Major Geeks forum post listed above
>> is an excellent guide to keeping your computer free of malware. Concise,
>> easy to read, with links to download the need apps. There are many other
>> good guides like this out there, but it never hurts to spread the word
>> about any of them. Good find Dave.
>
> It's mostly the usual common knowledge security nonsense:
>
> Install this, install that, MS firewall is bad, frequently scan for
> this, frequently scan for that....
>
> Only a few true goodies like "Use restriced user accounts" and
> "Security starts with you" is found there.
>
> Most hilarious part is that the poster labels him- or herself "Malware
> Expert". That's a biiiiig LOL. The steps on how to deal with malware
> infections clearly shows he or she is not even close to being an
> "expert".
 
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Root Kit

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:50:31 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
wrote:

>Please don't feed the trolls.

Pathetic.....

But what can you expect from an MVP bragger....
 
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~BD~

"Root Kit" wrote in message
news:l9da64tg7oh554ock9in69p5i6c9uc0hdi@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:50:31 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
> wrote:
>
>>Please don't feed the trolls.
>
> Pathetic.....
>
> But what can you expect from an MVP bragger....



But he really *is* one of the good guys! It says so here:
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=8...6A-D04AAA41556E

I just wish he'd tell me what *he* believes I did to upset his master at
AumHa.

This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually
telling the truth - *I* know that *I* tell the truth so cannot understand
the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please don't
feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and paste'
from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take too
much time to have an honest and impartial discussion.

Dave

PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his
recommended 'help' sites ........... albeit on third base! Viz:-

Suggested tertiary:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup
http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25
http://www.atribune.org/forums/index.php?showforum=9
http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Malware_Rem...o_Here-f37.html
http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum/index.php?showforum=170
http://forum.networktechs.com/forumdisplay.php?f=130
http://forums.maddoktor2.com/index.php?showforum=17
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5
http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showforum=18
http://forums.techguy.org/f54-s.html
http://forums.tomcoyote.org/index.php?showforum=27
http://forums.subratam.org/index.php?showforum=7
http://www.5starsupport.com/ipboard/index.php?showforum=18
http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30
http://makephpbb.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=2
http://forums.techguy.org/54-security/
http://forums.security-central.us/forumdisplay.php?f=13

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
 
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Root Kit

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:31:01 +0100, "~BD~"
wrote:

>
>"Root Kit" wrote in message
>news:l9da64tg7oh554ock9in69p5i6c9uc0hdi@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:50:31 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Please don't feed the trolls.
>>
>> Pathetic.....
>>
>> But what can you expect from an MVP bragger....
>
>
>
>But he really *is* one of the good guys! It says so here:
>https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=8...6A-D04AAA41556E

Yes. I can see he says so, himself...

According to http://aumha.org/vsop.htm he seems to be a wine salesman
and a professional singer - being an IT hobbyist since 1999.

I've been in the IT business more than twice as long.

>I just wish he'd tell me what *he* believes I did to upset his master at
>AumHa.
>
>This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually
>telling the truth - *I* know that *I* tell the truth so cannot understand
>the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please don't
>feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and paste'
>from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take too
>much time to have an honest and impartial discussion.
>
>Dave
>
>PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his
>recommended 'help' sites

David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get
well again soon.
 
B

~BD~

In line responses

"Root Kit" wrote in message
news:76sb645p6rtcjbriq06ngnbkjcq063krdl@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:31:01 +0100, "~BD~"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Root Kit" wrote in message
>>news:l9da64tg7oh554ock9in69p5i6c9uc0hdi@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:50:31 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Please don't feed the trolls.
>>>
>>> Pathetic.....
>>>
>>> But what can you expect from an MVP bragger....
>>
>>
>>
>>But he really *is* one of the good guys! It says so here:
>>https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=8...6A-D04AAA41556E
>
> Yes. I can see he says so, himself...
>
> According to http://aumha.org/vsop.htm he seems to be a wine salesman
> and a professional singer - being an IT hobbyist since 1999.


I *used* to believe everything I read on-screen!


>
> I've been in the IT business more than twice as long.
>

That doesn't necessarily mean that you are one of the good guys! (but I
perceive that you are! )

Robear has been posting here for at least 3 years in my experience. I have
not seen you post until recently, 'Root Kit'. May I ask what made you come
here ......... or were you using a different posting name previously?


>>I just wish he'd tell me what *he* believes I did to upset his master at
>>AumHa.
>>
>>This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually
>>telling the truth - *I* know that *I* tell the truth so cannot understand
>>the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please don't
>>feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and paste'
>>from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take too
>>much time to have an honest and impartial discussion.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his
>>recommended 'help' sites
>
> David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get
> well again soon.
>


Are you implying that the likes of Bill Castner and Robear Dyer at AumHa do
not give good advice and/or genuine help? Mr Lipman has added AumHa, I
suspect, because I have nudged him into showing his approval of the site
(but I may be wrong on this!)

Have you ever considered that a site purporting to help 'clean' a users
machine might actually leave it in an infected state? (even if the machine
wasn't infected in the first place!). From what I have seen, the 'average'
user of a computer will have absolutely no idea if they are *really* clean
and will rely totally on being told so by a 'guru'!

Doesn't really bear thinking about, does it?!!!

Dave
 
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Root Kit

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:19:18 +0100, "~BD~"
wrote:

>In line responses
>
>"Root Kit" wrote in message
>> I've been in the IT business more than twice as long.
>>
>
>That doesn't necessarily mean that you are one of the good guys!

You're exactly right. On the net you better be highly skeptical and
learn to think for yourself.

Anyway, my comment was also not so much related to being good or bad.
I'm sure P A Bear is a good and probably even nice guy. That doesn't
mean he's especially knowledgeable within the area of computer
security, though. Especially not since computing seems to be only a
hobby of his - and only for a limited time. He's one of those perfect
instruments for security companies to help promote their products. You
just need to have in mind that what makes sense in a B2C market place
does not necessarily match with what makes good sense in terms of real
security.

>(but I perceive that you are! )

Depends on the definition of good, I guess. I'm definitely not a black
hat hacker, if that's what you mean. I've sometimes been suspected of
having bad intentions because I often rant at security companies and
products and often talk against so called common knowledge, though.
Such accusations are just laughable.

>Robear has been posting here for at least 3 years in my experience. I have
>not seen you post until recently, 'Root Kit'. May I ask what made you come
>here ......... or were you using a different posting name previously?

I've been around for long. If you can't recognize me by my nick, you
can recognize me by my e-mail address which hasn't changed or by the
often controversial content followed by foolish "You're trolling"
posts. I never change my e-mail address - in order to give people who
can't handle the truth a chance to filter me out.

>>>I just wish he'd tell me what *he* believes I did to upset his master at
>>>AumHa.
>>>
>>>This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually
>>>telling the truth - *I* know that *I* tell the truth so cannot understand
>>>the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please don't
>>>feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and paste'
>>>from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take too
>>>much time to have an honest and impartial discussion.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his
>>>recommended 'help' sites
>>
>> David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get
>> well again soon.
>>
>
>
>Are you implying that the likes of Bill Castner and Robear Dyer at AumHa do
>not give good advice and/or genuine help?

I'm not implying anything. I'm trying to be pretty straight forward in
my opinions.

>Mr Lipman has added AumHa, I suspect, because I have nudged him into
>showing his approval of the site (but I may be wrong on this!)
>
>Have you ever considered that a site purporting to help 'clean' a users
>machine might actually leave it in an infected state? (even if the machine
>wasn't infected in the first place!).

Sure. Kind of happens all the time. That's the way much malware is
being spread, isn't it? (Just to be precise, I'm talking about
malicious sites tricking you into downloading some kind of "cleaning
tool". I'm not making any assumptions about the site in question.)

>From what I have seen, the 'average'
>user of a computer will have absolutely no idea if they are *really* clean
>and will rely totally on being told so by a 'guru'!

Even the best of experts have difficulties in positively declaring a
machine "clean". But mostly users are happy to just have the symptom
removed.

BTW, what you are describing is the sole reason why there's even a
market for anti-crap at all.

>Doesn't really bear thinking about, does it?!!!

Why not? It's not until you start thinking, that there's a chance you
might learn something.
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

RootKit wrote:

> According to http://aumha.org/vsop.htm he seems to be a wine salesman
> and a professional singer - being an IT hobbyist since 1999.
>
> I've been in the IT business more than twice as long.

So what? Many Geek Squad employees and admins have been "in the IT
business" longer than either of us, I'm sure:

Geek Squad Soaks Your Computer, Blames You:
http://consumerist.com/378522/geek-squad-s...uter-blames-you

Top Geek Squad Stories To Date:
http://consumerist.com/consumer/roundups/t...date-257316.php

LEAKED: 6 More Geek Squad Manuals:
http://consumerist.com/consumer/geek-squad...uals-249910.php

I have a very successful IT consulting business but I choose not to brag
about it. My work speaks for itself.

The fact that ~BD~ comes to my defense despite our many /contretemps/ in the
past speaks even louder of my capabilities.

PS: You've got a truly bizarre posting history, RootKit (AKA Straight Talk),
a history that your use of "archive/no" can't hide.

--
~PA Bear
 
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Dan

Ah, I think this may be the same b_nice that was rude to me as well in the
past. You have my support, Robear. However, I would like to see b_nice
prove to us that his expertise are beyond everyone else's expertise. So
b_nice did you start working with computers when BASIC was new or before that
and what programs and coding are you familiar with? Do you know C++,
Fortran, COBOL, etc. In addition, how proficient are you with cryptography
and how high a level of encryption can you break. Have you managed to crack
through a 128 bit cipher strength and how about 256 bit AES encryption bit or
448 bit Blowfish encryption. Please enlighten us all to how brilliant you
are.
 
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~BD~

"Root Kit" wrote in message
news:m99c649e22q7r3nvdjrel8gb6pm36rlbas@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:19:18 +0100, "~BD~"
> wrote:
>
>>In line responses
>>
>>"Root Kit" wrote in message
>>> I've been in the IT business more than twice as long.
>>>
>>
>>That doesn't necessarily mean that you are one of the good guys!
>
> You're exactly right. On the net you better be highly skeptical and
> learn to think for yourself.
>
> Anyway, my comment was also not so much related to being good or bad.
> I'm sure P A Bear is a good and probably even nice guy. That doesn't
> mean he's especially knowledgeable within the area of computer
> security, though. Especially not since computing seems to be only a
> hobby of his - and only for a limited time. He's one of those perfect
> instruments for security companies to help promote their products. You
> just need to have in mind that what makes sense in a B2C market place
> does not necessarily match with what makes good sense in terms of real
> security.
>
>>(but I perceive that you are! )
>
> Depends on the definition of good, I guess. I'm definitely not a black
> hat hacker, if that's what you mean. I've sometimes been suspected of
> having bad intentions because I often rant at security companies and
> products and often talk against so called common knowledge, though.
> Such accusations are just laughable.
>
>>Robear has been posting here for at least 3 years in my experience. I have
>>not seen you post until recently, 'Root Kit'. May I ask what made you come
>>here ......... or were you using a different posting name previously?
>
> I've been around for long. If you can't recognize me by my nick, you
> can recognize me by my e-mail address which hasn't changed or by the
> often controversial content followed by foolish "You're trolling"
> posts. I never change my e-mail address - in order to give people who
> can't handle the truth a chance to filter me out.
>
>>>>I just wish he'd tell me what *he* believes I did to upset his master at
>>>>AumHa.
>>>>
>>>>This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually
>>>>telling the truth - *I* know that *I* tell the truth so cannot
>>>>understand
>>>>the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please
>>>>don't
>>>>feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and
>>>>paste'
>>>>from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take
>>>>too
>>>>much time to have an honest and impartial discussion.
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his
>>>>recommended 'help' sites
>>>
>>> David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get
>>> well again soon.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Are you implying that the likes of Bill Castner and Robear Dyer at AumHa
>>do
>>not give good advice and/or genuine help?
>
> I'm not implying anything. I'm trying to be pretty straight forward in
> my opinions.
>
>>Mr Lipman has added AumHa, I suspect, because I have nudged him into
>>showing his approval of the site (but I may be wrong on this!)
>>
>>Have you ever considered that a site purporting to help 'clean' a users
>>machine might actually leave it in an infected state? (even if the machine
>>wasn't infected in the first place!).
>
> Sure. Kind of happens all the time. That's the way much malware is
> being spread, isn't it? (Just to be precise, I'm talking about
> malicious sites tricking you into downloading some kind of "cleaning
> tool". I'm not making any assumptions about the site in question.)
>
>>From what I have seen, the 'average'
>>user of a computer will have absolutely no idea if they are *really* clean
>>and will rely totally on being told so by a 'guru'!
>
> Even the best of experts have difficulties in positively declaring a
> machine "clean". But mostly users are happy to just have the symptom
> removed.
>
> BTW, what you are describing is the sole reason why there's even a
> market for anti-crap at all.
>
>>Doesn't really bear thinking about, does it?!!!
>
> Why not? It's not until you start thinking, that there's a chance you
> might learn something.
>

I very much value the input you have made here John - sorry, Root Kit!
Thank you for participating and sharing your views. I'd like to apologise
for my failure to respond earlier, but I've been away on my boat for a while
+ it slipped my mind whilst I was considering how best to answer you. I'm
sorry.

I do feel that you (maybe) should have responded to Dan ........ there is
still time!
wink.gif


With regard to your "(Just to be precise, I'm talking about malicious sites
tricking you into downloading some kind of "cleaning tool". I'm not making
any assumptions about the site in question.)" ................

My niggling worry is that folk with problems are 'directed' to all manner of
'help forums' (see David H Lipman's posts for examples!) where 'experts'
attempt to clean the users machine. At the end of the 'cleaning' the average
user will have absolutely no idea of whether or not his/her machine is still
compromised ....... or soon will be via a 'backdoor' left open. AFAICT,
no-one is responsible in any way for 'checking the checkers' - it really
does seem to be the Wild West all over again!

Dave
 
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Dan

LOL!! I know I am being mean to b_nice aka root kit but what goes around
comes around. Robear is really cool and will continue to get my support as
well as professionals like Chris Quirke, MVP who I really admire for his
wisdom and expertise especially in regards to the 9x operating system
specifically as far as the safety and security discussion of 9x operating
systems via NT operating systems. I also appreciate the United States
Government and its Department of Homeland Security especially in regards to
the Computer Emergency Readiness Team and all the hard work they do to keep
our information secure from enemy threats whether they be domestic and/or
international.

A point of note, I set my computer recently to be hacked via remote access
in tracking and secure mode and someone fell for the bait but the fool hacker
who took the trap was unfortunately a novice hacker and not the high end
hacker that I was trying to trap. I will continue venturing dangerously in
the future via the appropriate safeguards and via the appropriate tracking
and catching protocol.

Let the Games Begin. BTW, movies that I really enjoy and you might want to
watch are Sneakers -- 1980's one with Robert Redford, Enemy of the State, The
Game, The original Matrix, and of course my all time favorite "It's a
Wonderful Life" with Jimmy Stewart.

"~BD~" wrote:

>
> "Root Kit" wrote in message
> news:m99c649e22q7r3nvdjrel8gb6pm36rlbas@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:19:18 +0100, "~BD~"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>In line responses
> >>
> >>"Root Kit" wrote in message
> >>> I've been in the IT business more than twice as long.
> >>>
> >>
> >>That doesn't necessarily mean that you are one of the good guys!
> >
> > You're exactly right. On the net you better be highly skeptical and
> > learn to think for yourself.
> >
> > Anyway, my comment was also not so much related to being good or bad.
> > I'm sure P A Bear is a good and probably even nice guy. That doesn't
> > mean he's especially knowledgeable within the area of computer
> > security, though. Especially not since computing seems to be only a
> > hobby of his - and only for a limited time. He's one of those perfect
> > instruments for security companies to help promote their products. You
> > just need to have in mind that what makes sense in a B2C market place
> > does not necessarily match with what makes good sense in terms of real
> > security.
> >
> >>(but I perceive that you are! )
> >
> > Depends on the definition of good, I guess. I'm definitely not a black
> > hat hacker, if that's what you mean. I've sometimes been suspected of
> > having bad intentions because I often rant at security companies and
> > products and often talk against so called common knowledge, though.
> > Such accusations are just laughable.
> >
> >>Robear has been posting here for at least 3 years in my experience. I have
> >>not seen you post until recently, 'Root Kit'. May I ask what made you come
> >>here ......... or were you using a different posting name previously?
> >
> > I've been around for long. If you can't recognize me by my nick, you
> > can recognize me by my e-mail address which hasn't changed or by the
> > often controversial content followed by foolish "You're trolling"
> > posts. I never change my e-mail address - in order to give people who
> > can't handle the truth a chance to filter me out.
> >
> >>>>I just wish he'd tell me what *he* believes I did to upset his master at
> >>>>AumHa.
> >>>>
> >>>>This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually
> >>>>telling the truth - *I* know that *I* tell the truth so cannot
> >>>>understand
> >>>>the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please
> >>>>don't
> >>>>feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and
> >>>>paste'
> >>>>from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take
> >>>>too
> >>>>much time to have an honest and impartial discussion.
> >>>>
> >>>>Dave
> >>>>
> >>>>PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his
> >>>>recommended 'help' sites
> >>>
> >>> David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get
> >>> well again soon.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>Are you implying that the likes of Bill Castner and Robear Dyer at AumHa
> >>do
> >>not give good advice and/or genuine help?
> >
> > I'm not implying anything. I'm trying to be pretty straight forward in
> > my opinions.
> >
> >>Mr Lipman has added AumHa, I suspect, because I have nudged him into
> >>showing his approval of the site (but I may be wrong on this!)
> >>
> >>Have you ever considered that a site purporting to help 'clean' a users
> >>machine might actually leave it in an infected state? (even if the machine
> >>wasn't infected in the first place!).
> >
> > Sure. Kind of happens all the time. That's the way much malware is
> > being spread, isn't it? (Just to be precise, I'm talking about
> > malicious sites tricking you into downloading some kind of "cleaning
> > tool". I'm not making any assumptions about the site in question.)
> >
> >>From what I have seen, the 'average'
> >>user of a computer will have absolutely no idea if they are *really* clean
> >>and will rely totally on being told so by a 'guru'!
> >
> > Even the best of experts have difficulties in positively declaring a
> > machine "clean". But mostly users are happy to just have the symptom
> > removed.
> >
> > BTW, what you are describing is the sole reason why there's even a
> > market for anti-crap at all.
> >
> >>Doesn't really bear thinking about, does it?!!!
> >
> > Why not? It's not until you start thinking, that there's a chance you
> > might learn something.
> >
>
> I very much value the input you have made here John - sorry, Root Kit!
> Thank you for participating and sharing your views. I'd like to apologise
> for my failure to respond earlier, but I've been away on my boat for a while
> + it slipped my mind whilst I was considering how best to answer you. I'm
> sorry.
>
> I do feel that you (maybe) should have responded to Dan ........ there is
> still time!
wink.gif

>
> With regard to your "(Just to be precise, I'm talking about malicious sites
> tricking you into downloading some kind of "cleaning tool". I'm not making
> any assumptions about the site in question.)" ................
>
> My niggling worry is that folk with problems are 'directed' to all manner of
> 'help forums' (see David H Lipman's posts for examples!) where 'experts'
> attempt to clean the users machine. At the end of the 'cleaning' the average
> user will have absolutely no idea of whether or not his/her machine is still
> compromised ....... or soon will be via a 'backdoor' left open. AFAICT,
> no-one is responsible in any way for 'checking the checkers' - it really
> does seem to be the Wild West all over again!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
D

Dan

I learned that lesson the hard way of trying to cover my tracks. It is next
to impossible these days. However, governments can attempt it via using
servers in other countries to try and mask their footprints but it is only a
matter of time before these governments slip up and our caught by the
International Community.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> RootKit wrote:
>
> > According to http://aumha.org/vsop.htm he seems to be a wine salesman
> > and a professional singer - being an IT hobbyist since 1999.
> >
> > I've been in the IT business more than twice as long.
>
> So what? Many Geek Squad employees and admins have been "in the IT
> business" longer than either of us, I'm sure:
>
> Geek Squad Soaks Your Computer, Blames You:
> http://consumerist.com/378522/geek-squad-s...uter-blames-you
>
> Top Geek Squad Stories To Date:
> http://consumerist.com/consumer/roundups/t...date-257316.php
>
> LEAKED: 6 More Geek Squad Manuals:
> http://consumerist.com/consumer/geek-squad...uals-249910.php
>
> I have a very successful IT consulting business but I choose not to brag
> about it. My work speaks for itself.
>
> The fact that ~BD~ comes to my defense despite our many /contretemps/ in the
> past speaks even louder of my capabilities.
>
> PS: You've got a truly bizarre posting history, RootKit (AKA Straight Talk),
> a history that your use of "archive/no" can't hide.
>
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
>
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

[BD is not helping his case by repeatedly sending unrequested & annoying
email messages asking why he was banned to Admins of various & sundry
forums...especially when he knows full well why he was banned.]

Dan wrote:
> LOL!! I know I am being mean to b_nice aka root kit but what goes around
> comes around. Robear is really cool and will continue to get my
> support...
 
T

Tom [Pepper] Willett

Why was he banned, other than being a nutcase?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
news:OaXI%23t24IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
: [BD is not helping his case by repeatedly sending unrequested & annoying
: email messages asking why he was banned to Admins of various & sundry
: forums...especially when he knows full well why he was banned.]
:
: Dan wrote:
: > LOL!! I know I am being mean to b_nice aka root kit but what goes
around
: > comes around. Robear is really cool and will continue to get my
: > support...
:
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Unlike BD, we don't air our dirty laundry in public, Tom.

Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:
> Why was he banned, other than being a nutcase?
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
> news:OaXI%23t24IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> [BD is not helping his case by repeatedly sending unrequested & annoying
>> email messages asking why he was banned to Admins of various & sundry
>> forums...especially when he knows full well why he was banned.]
>>
>> Dan wrote:
>>> LOL!! I know I am being mean to b_nice aka root kit but what goes
>>> around
>>> comes around. Robear is really cool and will continue to get my
>>> support...
 
B

~BD~

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
news:OaXI%23t24IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> [BD is not helping his case by repeatedly sending unrequested & annoying
> email messages asking why he was banned to Admins of various & sundry
> forums...especially when he knows full well why he was banned.]
>
> Dan wrote:
>> LOL!! I know I am being mean to b_nice aka root kit but what goes around
>> comes around. Robear is really cool and will continue to get my
>> support...
>
>

BD does NOT know why folk don't give straight-forward and honest answers to
his questions.

BD does NOT believe everything he reads on a screen, in a newspaper or hears
on the radio.

BD ....... DOES question things he doesn't understand. It has little to do
with computers.

BD does NOT know why he was banned from Annexcafe forums .............. nor
from Aumha - the only two areas concerned. I am more than happy for Robear
to explain the facts to everyone here and now .................. bring
things out into the open, PLEASE!

Dave
 
D

Dan

Re: BD's Issues

BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you. You need to be
polite in newsgroups. You need to try and help others if you can. You need
to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and degrade them as
you have done to Robear. You need to be humble and even if you have been in
IT for a long time then you need to prove it to us because there has been so
many lies that no one believes or trusts you anymore. You need to respect
MVP's even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human. You
talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear but
what have you contributed to help other users. If you are willing to really
change and show us that you have changed then possibly restrictions on you
may someday be lifted. Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of
responding to your posts because you hurt me with your words in the past as
well.
 
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