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~BD~

Re: BD's Issues

Dan - with respect - I think you may be confusing me (BoaterDave) with Root
Kit

Perhaps you should re-read the whole of this thread again. Perhaps you'd
then report back if there was any confusion. Thanks.

Dave

PS Thank you for responding at all btw! <wink>


"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:31DF8805-A02D-4EDA-AE78-66AF32932C60@microsoft.com...
> BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you. You need to be
> polite in newsgroups. You need to try and help others if you can. You
> need
> to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and degrade them
> as
> you have done to Robear. You need to be humble and even if you have been
> in
> IT for a long time then you need to prove it to us because there has been
> so
> many lies that no one believes or trusts you anymore. You need to respect
> MVP's even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human. You
> talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear but
> what have you contributed to help other users. If you are willing to
> really
> change and show us that you have changed then possibly restrictions on you
> may someday be lifted. Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of
> responding to your posts because you hurt me with your words in the past
> as
> well.
>
 
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Dan

Re: BD's Issues

You are correct. I meant Root Kit. I will shut up now because this whole
darn thread is getting too confusing.

"~BD~" wrote:

> Dan - with respect - I think you may be confusing me (BoaterDave) with Root
> Kit
>
> Perhaps you should re-read the whole of this thread again. Perhaps you'd
> then report back if there was any confusion. Thanks.
>
> Dave
>
> PS Thank you for responding at all btw! <wink>
>
>
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:31DF8805-A02D-4EDA-AE78-66AF32932C60@microsoft.com...
> > BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you. You need to be
> > polite in newsgroups. You need to try and help others if you can. You
> > need
> > to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and degrade them
> > as
> > you have done to Robear. You need to be humble and even if you have been
> > in
> > IT for a long time then you need to prove it to us because there has been
> > so
> > many lies that no one believes or trusts you anymore. You need to respect
> > MVP's even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human. You
> > talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear but
> > what have you contributed to help other users. If you are willing to
> > really
> > change and show us that you have changed then possibly restrictions on you
> > may someday be lifted. Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of
> > responding to your posts because you hurt me with your words in the past
> > as
> > well.
> >
>
>
>
 
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Root Kit

Re: BD's Issues

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:37:00 -0700, Dan
<Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

Since this seems to have been addressed to me....

>BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you.

Don't worry. Surprise can lead to a lot of positives.

>You need to be polite in newsgroups.

Where is this stated?

>You need to try and help others if you can.

Huh? - Newsgroups are forums for discussion. They are not support
forums, just in case you didn't know. Anyway, helping others is what I
often do. Just not in the common way of doing things. Instead I'm
opening the eyes of those willing to learn and make them start
thinking for themselves. Those who are ignorant to learn is waste of
time anyway.

>You need to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and degrade them as
>you have done to Robear.

Degrades and insults are purely subjective matters.

> You need to be humble

Says who? I've no reason to.

> and even if you have been in IT for a long time then you need
>to prove it to us

See, I didn't mention this to brag about it.

>because there has been so many lies

Now you're starting something very ugly here.

So first of all you better state *exactly* in what respect I have been
lying and what I have been lying about! - And you better be very
precise, little man! Otherwise, I expect to have heard the final word
from you.

>that no one believes or trusts you anymore.

Trust and belief from people I only know from a newsgroup is of very
low priority to me.

>You need to respect MVP's

Why should I? How does a title add anything to ones competence?

>even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human.

oh..

>You talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear

Actually I didn't.

>but what have you contributed to help other users.

Once again. Newsgroups are discussion forums. Not contribution forums
to gain some kind of rank.

> If you are willing to really change and show us that you have changed then
>possibly restrictions on you may someday be lifted.

Are you somehow in charge here?

> Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of responding to your posts

I won't loose any sleep over that.

>because you hurt me with your words in the past as well.

Words in a newsgroup shouldn't be able to hurt. Only when people with
low self esteem *decide* to be hurt or insulted can this occur. Very
similar to people choosing to be conveniently "insulted" by some
cartoons.
 
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Dan

Re: BD's Issues

I guess I have very low self-esteem then. <laughs>

"Root Kit" wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:37:00 -0700, Dan
> <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> Since this seems to have been addressed to me....
>
> >BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you.
>
> Don't worry. Surprise can lead to a lot of positives.
>
> >You need to be polite in newsgroups.
>
> Where is this stated?
>
> >You need to try and help others if you can.
>
> Huh? - Newsgroups are forums for discussion. They are not support
> forums, just in case you didn't know. Anyway, helping others is what I
> often do. Just not in the common way of doing things. Instead I'm
> opening the eyes of those willing to learn and make them start
> thinking for themselves. Those who are ignorant to learn is waste of
> time anyway.
>
> >You need to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and degrade them as
> >you have done to Robear.
>
> Degrades and insults are purely subjective matters.
>
> > You need to be humble
>
> Says who? I've no reason to.
>
> > and even if you have been in IT for a long time then you need
> >to prove it to us
>
> See, I didn't mention this to brag about it.
>
> >because there has been so many lies
>
> Now you're starting something very ugly here.
>
> So first of all you better state *exactly* in what respect I have been
> lying and what I have been lying about! - And you better be very
> precise, little man! Otherwise, I expect to have heard the final word
> from you.
>
> >that no one believes or trusts you anymore.
>
> Trust and belief from people I only know from a newsgroup is of very
> low priority to me.
>
> >You need to respect MVP's
>
> Why should I? How does a title add anything to ones competence?
>
> >even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human.
>
> oh..
>
> >You talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear
>
> Actually I didn't.
>
> >but what have you contributed to help other users.
>
> Once again. Newsgroups are discussion forums. Not contribution forums
> to gain some kind of rank.
>
> > If you are willing to really change and show us that you have changed then
> >possibly restrictions on you may someday be lifted.
>
> Are you somehow in charge here?
>
> > Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of responding to your posts
>
> I won't loose any sleep over that.
>
> >because you hurt me with your words in the past as well.
>
> Words in a newsgroup shouldn't be able to hurt. Only when people with
> low self esteem *decide* to be hurt or insulted can this occur. Very
> similar to people choosing to be conveniently "insulted" by some
> cartoons.
>
 
B

~BD~

Re: BD's Issues

"Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:83ch74l5sepuorvilhtuld4rop29taek3c@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:37:00 -0700, Dan
> <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> Since this seems to have been addressed to me....
>
>>BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you.
>
> Don't worry. Surprise can lead to a lot of positives.
>
>>You need to be polite in newsgroups.
>
> Where is this stated?
>
>>You need to try and help others if you can.
>
> Huh? - Newsgroups are forums for discussion. They are not support
> forums, just in case you didn't know. Anyway, helping others is what I
> often do. Just not in the common way of doing things. Instead I'm
> opening the eyes of those willing to learn and make them start
> thinking for themselves. Those who are ignorant to learn is waste of
> time anyway.
>
>>You need to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and
>>degrade them as
>>you have done to Robear.
>
> Degrades and insults are purely subjective matters.
>
>> You need to be humble
>
> Says who? I've no reason to.
>
>> and even if you have been in IT for a long time then you need
>>to prove it to us
>
> See, I didn't mention this to brag about it.
>
>>because there has been so many lies
>
> Now you're starting something very ugly here.
>
> So first of all you better state *exactly* in what respect I have been
> lying and what I have been lying about! - And you better be very
> precise, little man! Otherwise, I expect to have heard the final word
> from you.
>
>>that no one believes or trusts you anymore.
>
> Trust and belief from people I only know from a newsgroup is of very
> low priority to me.
>
>>You need to respect MVP's
>
> Why should I? How does a title add anything to ones competence?
>
>>even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human.
>
> oh..
>
>>You talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear
>
> Actually I didn't.
>
>>but what have you contributed to help other users.
>
> Once again. Newsgroups are discussion forums. Not contribution forums
> to gain some kind of rank.
>
>> If you are willing to really change and show us that you have changed
>> then
>>possibly restrictions on you may someday be lifted.
>
> Are you somehow in charge here?
>
>> Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of responding to your posts
>
> I won't loose any sleep over that.
>
>>because you hurt me with your words in the past as well.
>
> Words in a newsgroup shouldn't be able to hurt. Only when people with
> low self esteem *decide* to be hurt or insulted can this occur. Very
> similar to people choosing to be conveniently "insulted" by some
> cartoons.
>

Great responses, John ..... *especially* your last comment! :)

I've found a niche here:- www.pqlr.org/bbs Come on over! Any
difficulty, please contact me by email BoaterDaveTJ at aol.com

Alternatively or in addition, perhaps you will tell me your favourite
support forum(s) - please?

Dave
 
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~BD~

Re: BD's Issues

Thank you for you honest admission, Dan.

I'm putting you into my 'good guy' category, albeit that I suspect that you
are still in the early stages of learning at the University of Life! <wink>

Dave

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C3D66102-5FDD-4CD9-91E4-B6BF29908438@microsoft.com...
> You are correct. I meant Root Kit. I will shut up now because this whole
> darn thread is getting too confusing.
>
> "~BD~" wrote:
>
>> Dan - with respect - I think you may be confusing me (BoaterDave) with
>> Root
>> Kit
>>
>> Perhaps you should re-read the whole of this thread again. Perhaps you'd
>> then report back if there was any confusion. Thanks.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> PS Thank you for responding at all btw! <wink>
>>
>>
>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:31DF8805-A02D-4EDA-AE78-66AF32932C60@microsoft.com...
>> > BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you. You need to
>> > be
>> > polite in newsgroups. You need to try and help others if you can. You
>> > need
>> > to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and degrade
>> > them
>> > as
>> > you have done to Robear. You need to be humble and even if you have
>> > been
>> > in
>> > IT for a long time then you need to prove it to us because there has
>> > been
>> > so
>> > many lies that no one believes or trusts you anymore. You need to
>> > respect
>> > MVP's even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human.
>> > You
>> > talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear
>> > but
>> > what have you contributed to help other users. If you are willing to
>> > really
>> > change and show us that you have changed then possibly restrictions on
>> > you
>> > may someday be lifted. Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of
>> > responding to your posts because you hurt me with your words in the
>> > past
>> > as
>> > well.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Re: BD's Issues

INLINE:

Root Kit wrote:
<snippage>
>> You need to be polite in newsgroups.
>
> Where is this stated?

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

>> You need to try and help others if you can.
>
> Huh? - Newsgroups are forums for discussion. They are not support
> forums, just in case you didn't know.

Newsgroups offer peer-to-peer *support* as well as a venue for on-topic,
newsgroup-specific (e.g., security) discussions. They are not "chat rooms."

>> You need to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and
>> degrade them as you have done to Robear.
>
> Degrades and insults are purely subjective matters.

Not when they're in violation of the Code of Conduct.

>> You need to respect MVP's
>
> Why should I? How does a title add anything to ones competence?

Mutual respect is expected everywhere in a civil society, especially if
you're seeking assistance from *volunteers* (which include MS MVPs).

PS: <plonk>
 
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~BD~

Re: BD's Issues

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OrboNiD5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> INLINE:
>
> Root Kit wrote:
> <snippage>
>>> You need to be polite in newsgroups.
>>
>> Where is this stated?
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>
>>> You need to try and help others if you can.
>>
>> Huh? - Newsgroups are forums for discussion. They are not support
>> forums, just in case you didn't know.
>
> Newsgroups offer peer-to-peer *support* as well as a venue for on-topic,
> newsgroup-specific (e.g., security) discussions. They are not "chat
> rooms."
>
>>> You need to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and
>>> degrade them as you have done to Robear.
>>
>> Degrades and insults are purely subjective matters.
>
> Not when they're in violation of the Code of Conduct.
>
>>> You need to respect MVP's
>>
>> Why should I? How does a title add anything to ones competence?
>
> Mutual respect is expected everywhere in a civil society, especially if
> you're seeking assistance from *volunteers* (which include MS MVPs).
>
> PS: <plonk>
>
 
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~BD~

Re: BD's Issues

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OrboNiD5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> INLINE:
>
> Root Kit wrote:
> <snippage>
>>> You need to be polite in newsgroups.
>>
>> Where is this stated?
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>

> Newsgroups offer peer-to-peer *support* as well as a venue for on-topic,
> newsgroup-specific (e.g., security) discussions. They are not "chat
> rooms."
>

An extract from that very URL follows:-


Chat Code of Conduct

As part of Microsoft's commitment to make Microsoft community Chat a great
place to meet and interact with others around the world, you agree to abide
by our code of conduct. Your commitment to these guidelines in all of your
Microsoft community chats ensures a positive experience for all
participants.

All activity on Microsoft Communities is also governed by the Microsoft.COM
Terms Of Use.

Top of page
Chat Rules

. Please treat all other online participants with respect and do not
use Microsoft Community Chats to threaten, harass, stalk, or abuse other
users.

. Impersonating a Microsoft employee, agent, manager, host, or another
user is forbidden.

. Do not use Microsoft Community Chats services to spam others. Spam
includes sending identical and irrelevant or unsolicited submissions to many
different users, and includes misrepresenting the source of anything you
post. Spamming and scrolling in chat rooms are serious violations of online
etiquette.

. Microsoft does not allow behavior or content related to illegal
activities. You may not use Microsoft Community Chats to publish, post,
distribute, or disseminate defamatory, infringing, obscene, or other
unlawful material or discussion. This includes, but is not limited to, child
pornography, bestiality, incest, illegal drugs, software piracy, and
harassment.

. You may not use Microsoft Community Chats for the purpose of linking
to external sites that violate this code of conduct.

. Do not post or promote any materials that could harm or disrupt
another user's computer or would allow others to inappropriately access
software or web sites.

. In addition to upholding this code of conduct, you are responsible
for adhering to all local and national laws that pertain to your location.

. You are responsible for any actions you may take based on advice or
information you receive online. Use your own judgment when evaluating
information provided through any communication service, and remember that
the information provided could be from people at any age and experience
level. The decision to conduct transactions is your own and you should
perform your own research prior to making any decisions.

. You are responsible and liable for all your activities while
participating in the Microsoft Community Chats. Remember, you are
responsible for anything you say or post.

. Microsoft reserves the right to ban any participant from the chat
rooms for violating any of the rules above.

. Microsoft also reserves the right to amend or change the Code of
Conduct at any time without notice. You agree to periodically review this
document to ensure you are doing your part.

. We caution you against giving out any personally identifiable
information (such as social security number, credit card number, name,
address, telephone number, driver's license number, password, etc.) online.
This information can easily be used for illegal or harmful purposes.

. You are responsible for protecting your computer against
interference or viruses that may be encountered on the Internet and
Microsoft Community Chats.



Thanks for following this code of conduct and Microsoft Community Chats! We
reserve the right to amend or change the code of conduct at any time and
encourage you to periodically review these guidelines to ensure you are in
com
 
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Paul Adare - MVP

Re: BD's Issues

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:46:02 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OrboNiD5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> INLINE:
>>
>> Root Kit wrote:
>> <snippage>
>>>> You need to be polite in newsgroups.
>>>
>>> Where is this stated?
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>>
>
>> Newsgroups offer peer-to-peer *support* as well as a venue for on-topic,
>> newsgroup-specific (e.g., security) discussions. They are not "chat
>> rooms."
>>
>
> An extract from that very URL follows:-

You have completely and utterly missed the point. What you posted is the
code of conduct for the Microsoft chat rooms. These are news groups not
chat rooms. The chat rooms are web based only.

--
Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Any program that runs right is obsolete.
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

Re: BD's Issues

@Root Kit: See USE OF SERVICES section here:
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.mspx

Paul Adare - MVP wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:46:02 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:
>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OrboNiD5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> INLINE:
>>>
>>> Root Kit wrote:
>>> <snippage>
>>>>> You need to be polite in newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>> Where is this stated?
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>>>
>>
>>> Newsgroups offer peer-to-peer *support* as well as a venue for on-topic,
>>> newsgroup-specific (e.g., security) discussions. They are not "chat
>>> rooms."
>>>
>>
>> An extract from that very URL follows:-
>
> You have completely and utterly missed the point. What you posted is the
> code of conduct for the Microsoft chat rooms. These are news groups not
> chat rooms. The chat rooms are web based only.
 
B

~BD~

Re: BD's Issues

"Paul Adare - MVP" <pkadare@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xyyqwyex9r41.1a35z3a5llcos$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:46:02 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:
>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OrboNiD5IHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> INLINE:
>>>
>>> Root Kit wrote:
>>> <snippage>
>>>>> You need to be polite in newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>> Where is this stated?
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>>>
>>
>>> Newsgroups offer peer-to-peer *support* as well as a venue for on-topic,
>>> newsgroup-specific (e.g., security) discussions. They are not "chat
>>> rooms."
>>>
>>
>> An extract from that very URL follows:-
>
> You have completely and utterly missed the point. What you posted is the
> code of conduct for the Microsoft chat rooms. These are news groups not
> chat rooms. The chat rooms are web based only.
>
> --
> Paul Adare
> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
> http://www.identit.ca
> Any program that runs right is obsolete.
 
B

~BD~

Re: BD's Issues

"Paul Adare - MVP" <pkadare@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xyyqwyex9r41.1a35z3a5llcos$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:46:02 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:
> You have completely and utterly missed the point. What you posted is the
> code of conduct for the Microsoft chat rooms. These are news groups not
> chat rooms. The chat rooms are web based only.
>
> --
> Paul Adare
> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
> http://www.identit.ca
> Any program that runs right is obsolete.

Hi Paul.

I'm so sorry to have misunderstood! :(

I went to the very link posted by Robear Dyer here in this thread and
somehow thought that those rules DID apply to these groups.

Please post the link to where the 'Code of Conduct' for *these* newsgroups
are to be found. I cannot find /any/ other 'rules'.

If it helps, at the current time I am using OE6 to read these messages -
via:- msnews.microsoft.com

Thanks

Dave
 
R

Root Kit

Re: BD's Issues

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:58:00 -0700, Dan
<Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I guess I have very low self-esteem then. <laughs>

I don't know. But I know you failed to backup your claims.
 
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