Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

[Hugh Candlin]

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:OuLEMwp4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> I wouldn't call the GUIs the same, or even similar.

Who even knows what's what, and/or where from?

For instance, the Product Name on Windows 98's EXPLORER.EXE file,
[and on a number of other files also], is
Microsoft(R) Windows NT(R) Operating System.

NT itself is an amalgam of code from MANY sources,
including FreeBSD and Digital's VMS.

Most of NT's lead developers, including its chief architect, came from Digital.

So, you could argue that 98 was based on technology developed in the 70's,
and not be too far off the mark, if at all.......



--
"You can fool some of the people all of the time,
and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

For a boot manager, have you tried BootIt NG?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
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> "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:46C8FBAE.71CC068E@Guy.com...
>> Dan wrote:
>>
>>> I have heard a controller card can allow the OP to get around
>>> this barrier but I have not tried it myself.
>>
>> Win-98 works fine on a 500 gb SATA hard drive (the largest drive I've
>> tried so far).
>
> Got Millenium and 98SE on a 250GB SATA hard drive. The tricky part was
> getting a pre-XP era boot manager version of system commander to work on
> it.
> Dave
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Sounds really complicated, MEB, <s>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
> again,
> | sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want one that's
> | fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo supporting large
> | drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of incompatibility can be
> | EXTREMELY frustrating.
> |
> | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run on
> the
> | 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a bootable CD.
> |
> | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold
> | images of C: and D and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
> | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
> | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
>
>
> Excuse the interruption, and not following down through the extremely long
> thread:
>
> One could also use a free program called partition saving, which also
> happens to be its web link
> Simple DOS based, saves only the used portions OR whatever
> portions/elements
> you want, Can cut the partition into CDROM sized segments..
>
> http://www.partition-saving.com
>
> The one issue might be the external hard drive used for saving the
> partition. Saves the potential issues with XP connection.
>
> Though, with careful usage, one could save parts of the partition, burn to
> CDROM, delete those parts freeing space for the main program areas and
> system. Then burning those to disk, before doing whatever needs done.
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> ________
>
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

ROFL! Sounds like a great philosophy for a politician. Sure works in
America, <g>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Hugh Candlin" <sure@dream.on> wrote in message
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> --
> "You can fool some of the people all of the time,
> and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."

 

[Hugh Candlin]

--
"You can fool some of the people all of the time,
and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:46C8FE65.F51458E8@Guy.com...
> Curt Christianson wrote:
>
> > They don't make Econolines anymore??
>
> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>
> > | It's like asking Ford to bring back the Econoline. Never going
> > | to happen. Get over it.
>
> When a 1970 Hemi Cuda goes for over $300k at a Barrett Jackson
> auction, I bet Chrysler would love to churn out a few more of those...

Something like this ???

http://www.automotivestylings.com/mopar/200x_cuda_front_tb_shaker.htm

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

I always had a hard time deciding which I liked more... A friend's '67
Challenger or another friend's '63.5 Mustang. Note that we spent most of our
time driving twisty mountain roads with lots of very big cliffs above and
below, pedal to the metal and rear tires almost never sticking except on
straight always longer than ~100 yards.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Hugh Candlin" <sure@dream.on> wrote in message
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>
>
> --
> "You can fool some of the people all of the time,
> and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."
>
> "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:46C8FE65.F51458E8@Guy.com...
>> Curt Christianson wrote:
>>
>> > They don't make Econolines anymore??
>>
>> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>>
>> > | It's like asking Ford to bring back the Econoline. Never going
>> > | to happen. Get over it.
>>
>> When a 1970 Hemi Cuda goes for over $300k at a Barrett Jackson
>> auction, I bet Chrysler would love to churn out a few more of those...
>
> Something like this ???
>
> http://www.automotivestylings.com/mopar/200x_cuda_front_tb_shaker.htm

 

[Teflon]

On Aug 19, 12:12 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then again,
> sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want one that's
> fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo supporting large
> drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of incompatibility can be
> EXTREMELY frustrating.
>
> > Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary IDE
> > connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD drive
> > connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the motherboard?
> > That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to connect a second HDD
> > as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine out of the picture
> > altogether! I have a master on how to do that! Probably, when done, your
> > Dartition will become Eartition, if you elect to keep the second HDD
> > permanently installed.
>

Those are both good suggestions, provided this was a desktop machine.
However, it's a lqptop. A very limited laptop. Thought I said that
early on. Sorry if I didn't, or it got buried. Yes, C: & D: are 2 GB
partitions on the one 4 GB HDD.

Being an older laptop, the HDD is buried under the keyboard, so
removing it to make an image isn't the simple loosen one screw and
slide it out, like my XP machine (also a lqptop), but that's the only
solution I could come up with, UNLESS, I could somehow use one of
those Internet-based storage sites as the recipient for the Ghost /
True Image output. Anyone know if that would work?

Interesting MS discussion.

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk space, you
could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any scheme that
has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost bound to
fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and least reliable
of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True Image or Ghost
will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I consider OK for
backing up a few files, but not for an image.

Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port? Does your
desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187618687.961616.264920@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 19, 12:12 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>> 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then again,
>> sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want one that's
>> fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo supporting large
>> drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of incompatibility can be
>> EXTREMELY frustrating.
>>
>> > Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary IDE
>> > connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD drive
>> > connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
>> > motherboard?
>> > That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to connect a second
>> > HDD
>> > as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine out of the picture
>> > altogether! I have a master on how to do that! Probably, when done,
>> > your
>> > Dartition will become Eartition, if you elect to keep the second
>> > HDD
>> > permanently installed.
>>
>
> Those are both good suggestions, provided this was a desktop machine.
> However, it's a lqptop. A very limited laptop. Thought I said that
> early on. Sorry if I didn't, or it got buried. Yes, C: & D: are 2 GB
> partitions on the one 4 GB HDD.
>
> Being an older laptop, the HDD is buried under the keyboard, so
> removing it to make an image isn't the simple loosen one screw and
> slide it out, like my XP machine (also a lqptop), but that's the only
> solution I could come up with, UNLESS, I could somehow use one of
> those Internet-based storage sites as the recipient for the Ghost /
> True Image output. Anyone know if that would work?
>
> Interesting MS discussion.
>

 

[MEB]

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:uakuhnu4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| Sounds really complicated, MEB, <s>.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com

Ah, not really, its actually rather simple, and easily accomplished. But
then I have done this before with small hard drives on laptops and desktops.
The prog basicly sets up the method for you, assigning consecutive CD
images. Burn them to disk, use the DOS disk [with CDROM support] to boot
after you've done what you need, and put the images back on the disk. When
done run scandisk to reset the disk, boot to Safe Mode just to check the
disk and files, boot normally and its done.

If the second partition contains nothing more than storage, its even
easier. Though even then, one need only save the storage area first, burn it
and then remove it to free space for the actual system files/images.

Remember we have to always consider that others may not have extra disks
just laying around to use, or a networked computer to transfer the files to.
This happens to be a relatively easy way for the normal user to accomplish
the task without extra hardware or the need to purchase some program.

Of course some of the other imaging progs provide the same basic abilities,
but for a free DOS disk ONLY program, partition saving [partsav] seems to
work quite well.


|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:ujDHfYu4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
| > again,
| > | sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want one
that's
| > | fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo supporting large
| > | drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of incompatibility can
be
| > | EXTREMELY frustrating.
| > |
| > | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run
on
| > the
| > | 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a bootable CD.
| > |
| > | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold
| > | images of C: and D and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
| > | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
| > | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| >
| >
| > Excuse the interruption, and not following down through the extremely
long
| > thread:
| >
| > One could also use a free program called partition saving, which also
| > happens to be its web link
| > Simple DOS based, saves only the used portions OR whatever
| > portions/elements
| > you want, Can cut the partition into CDROM sized segments..
| >
| > http://www.partition-saving.com
| >
| > The one issue might be the external hard drive used for saving the
| > partition. Saves the potential issues with XP connection.
| >
| > Though, with careful usage, one could save parts of the partition, burn
to
| > CDROM, delete those parts freeing space for the main program areas and
| > system. Then burning those to disk, before doing whatever needs done.
| >
| > --
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > ________
| >

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

OK... Sounds to me like the same thing True Image, Ghost, or even BING are
capable of. They do not include empty clusters in their images unless you
tell them to. (Well, I don't know about Ghost, but that's the case for the
other two.) They can span several CDs or DVDs, as well. You just have to
have a CD (or DVD) burner attached.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uxnl2e04HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:uakuhnu4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | Sounds really complicated, MEB, <s>.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
>
> Ah, not really, its actually rather simple, and easily accomplished. But
> then I have done this before with small hard drives on laptops and
> desktops.
> The prog basicly sets up the method for you, assigning consecutive CD
> images. Burn them to disk, use the DOS disk [with CDROM support] to boot
> after you've done what you need, and put the images back on the disk. When
> done run scandisk to reset the disk, boot to Safe Mode just to check the
> disk and files, boot normally and its done.
>
> If the second partition contains nothing more than storage, its even
> easier. Though even then, one need only save the storage area first, burn
> it
> and then remove it to free space for the actual system files/images.
>
> Remember we have to always consider that others may not have extra disks
> just laying around to use, or a networked computer to transfer the files
> to.
> This happens to be a relatively easy way for the normal user to accomplish
> the task without extra hardware or the need to purchase some program.
>
> Of course some of the other imaging progs provide the same basic
> abilities,
> but for a free DOS disk ONLY program, partition saving [partsav] seems to
> work quite well.
>
>
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:ujDHfYu4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | >
> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
> | > again,
> | > | sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want one
> that's
> | > | fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo supporting
> large
> | > | drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of incompatibility can
> be
> | > | EXTREMELY frustrating.
> | > |
> | > | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run
> on
> | > the
> | > | 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a bootable CD.
> | > |
> | > | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to
> hold
> | > | images of C: and D and BING. Partition letters don't enter into
> the
> | > | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
> | > | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> | > Excuse the interruption, and not following down through the extremely
> long
> | > thread:
> | >
> | > One could also use a free program called partition saving, which also
> | > happens to be its web link
> | > Simple DOS based, saves only the used portions OR whatever
> | > portions/elements
> | > you want, Can cut the partition into CDROM sized segments..
> | >
> | > http://www.partition-saving.com
> | >
> | > The one issue might be the external hard drive used for saving the
> | > partition. Saves the potential issues with XP connection.
> | >
> | > Though, with careful usage, one could save parts of the partition,
> burn
> to
> | > CDROM, delete those parts freeing space for the main program areas and
> | > system. Then burning those to disk, before doing whatever needs done.
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB
> | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > ________
> | >
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> ________
>
>
>

 

[PCR]

"Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187618687.961616.264920@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com
| On Aug 19, 12:12 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
|> 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
|> again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
|> one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
|> supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
|> incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
|>
|> > Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
|> > IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the
|> > CD drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of
|> > the motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is
|> > to connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the
|> > XP-machine out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how
|> > to do that! Probably, when done, your Dartition will become
|> > Eartition, if you elect to keep the second HDD permanently
|> > installed.
|>
|
| Those are both good suggestions, provided this was a desktop machine.
| However, it's a lqptop. A very limited laptop. Thought I said that
| early on. Sorry if I didn't, or it got buried. Yes, C: & D: are 2 GB
| partitions on the one 4 GB HDD.

Yea, I see you said "laptop"-- (& usually I do stay out of such threads!
But, now that I'm here)...

What is the CD-ROM plugged into? Can you unplug it temporarily & plug in
a 2nd HDD? Do you have a floppy drive? Even without a floppy drive, it's
possible BING can get the job done-- IF a 2nd HDD will work in the
CD-ROM slot. This is the best way to avoid secret, irradiated
XP-folders-- unless Terhune comes up with something involving LAN, USB
or LPT ports!

(But I know nothing about birthing babies or laptop computers!)

| Being an older laptop, the HDD is buried under the keyboard, so
| removing it to make an image isn't the simple loosen one screw and
| slide it out, like my XP machine (also a lqptop), but that's the only
| solution I could come up with, UNLESS, I could somehow use one of
| those Internet-based storage sites as the recipient for the Ghost /
| True Image output. Anyone know if that would work?
|
| Interesting MS discussion.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[PCR]

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Us XP users *love* our secrets!

Christianson! It's an early symptom of XP-irradiation poisoning for
XP-users to love secret, irradiated folders & irradiated Recycle Bins!
After a while, you will begin to reveal the secrets-- JUST as Terhune
has done!

| --
| HTH,
| Curt
|
| Windows Support Center
| www.aumha.org
| Practically Nerded,...
| http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%23M59Qhp4HHA.5740@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|| news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
||| 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
||| again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
||| one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
||| supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
||| incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
||
|| Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not
|| wait for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
||
||| 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run
||| on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
||| bootable CD.
||
|| BING is good enough for it, then...
||
|| http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
|| capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image
|| to HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions
|| without data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days,
|| $34.95.
||
||| My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to
||| hold images of C: and D and BING. Partition letters don't enter
||| into the equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with
||| the disk connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan,
||| already.
||
|| I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some
|| day anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting
|| XP & the secret folders it may create.
||
||| --
||| Gary S. Terhune
||| MS-MVP Shell/User
||| www.grystmill.com
|||
||| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
||| news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|||> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
|||> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
|||> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
|||> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
|||> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
|||> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If
|||> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
|||> |> recommend BootIt NG.
|||> |
|||> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
|||> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
|||> |
|||> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running
|||> | Ghost or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only
|||> | has a CD ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD
|||> | burner to that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D:
|||> | drive is full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone'
|||> | (always got those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it
|||> | and use my XP machine's more robust facilities to create that
|||> | image for backup (fall-back) purposes.
|||>
|||> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
|||> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD
|||> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
|||> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
|||> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine
|||> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that!
|||> Probably, when done, your Dartition will become Eartition, if
|||> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
|||>
|||> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create
|||> | an image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have
|||> | to transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the
|||> | 98 machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple
|||> | CD's be a problem?
|||> |
|||> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
|||> |
|||> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the
|||> | effort of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the
|||> | apps? Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested
|||> | that.
|||> |
|||> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've
|||> | found the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
|||>
|||> --
|||> Thanks or Good Luck,
|||> There may be humor in this post, and,
|||> Naturally, you will not sue,
|||> Should things get worse after this,
|||> PCR
|||> pcrrcp@netzero.net
||
|| --
|| Thanks or Good Luck,
|| There may be humor in this post, and,
|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
|| pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

You can run BING from a CD. TI and NG might also have that capability. But
you need some place to put the image.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ei9BGk24HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1187618687.961616.264920@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com
> | On Aug 19, 12:12 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> |> 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
> |> again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
> |> one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
> |> supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
> |> incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
> |>
> |> > Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
> |> > IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the
> |> > CD drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of
> |> > the motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is
> |> > to connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the
> |> > XP-machine out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how
> |> > to do that! Probably, when done, your Dartition will become
> |> > Eartition, if you elect to keep the second HDD permanently
> |> > installed.
> |>
> |
> | Those are both good suggestions, provided this was a desktop machine.
> | However, it's a lqptop. A very limited laptop. Thought I said that
> | early on. Sorry if I didn't, or it got buried. Yes, C: & D: are 2 GB
> | partitions on the one 4 GB HDD.
>
> Yea, I see you said "laptop"-- (& usually I do stay out of such threads!
> But, now that I'm here)...
>
> What is the CD-ROM plugged into? Can you unplug it temporarily & plug in
> a 2nd HDD? Do you have a floppy drive? Even without a floppy drive, it's
> possible BING can get the job done-- IF a 2nd HDD will work in the
> CD-ROM slot. This is the best way to avoid secret, irradiated
> XP-folders-- unless Terhune comes up with something involving LAN, USB
> or LPT ports!
>
> (But I know nothing about birthing babies or laptop computers!)
>
> | Being an older laptop, the HDD is buried under the keyboard, so
> | removing it to make an image isn't the simple loosen one screw and
> | slide it out, like my XP machine (also a lqptop), but that's the only
> | solution I could come up with, UNLESS, I could somehow use one of
> | those Internet-based storage sites as the recipient for the Ghost /
> | True Image output. Anyone know if that would work?
> |
> | Interesting MS discussion.
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

 

[PCR]

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:095127BA-8FAF-4D3F-8095-CC4D1D45A0C9@microsoft.com
| The question that I ask is if you reveal all files in XP Professional
| does it really reveal all the files or still keep some secret.

Looks like Terhune's lips are loose enough now to reveal the full truth.
I'll leave it to him!

| I
| have heard with 98SE when you reveal all the files then it actually
| reveals them.

It isn't like XP! Nothing is irradiated! BUT... I have found this
Registry key in Win98, named "ShowSuperHidden"...

You know, this will allow one to see in Explorer all files that have
the Hidden attribute...
"START, Settings, Folder Options, View tab", & bolt "Show all
files" may as well uncheck "Hide file extensions..." too.

To know whether a file has that attribute, R-Clk it in Explorer, &
select "Properties". Alternatively...

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Adv
anced
ShowAttribCol 0x00000001 (1) <<--DWORD. Value data: 1
ShowSuperHidden 0x00000001 (1) <<--DWORD: 1
PersistBrowsers 0x00000001 (1) <<--DWORD: 1

ShowAttribCol See Attributes listed in Explorer
ShowSuperHidden Well, I think I saw my first .htt after setting that.
PersistBrowsers An open folder will remain open after a reboot.

"ShowAttribCol" has no space in it's name, although it seems that way
with this font. (None of them do.) Type a "1" in "Value Data". It won't
look like a simple "1" in the right pane. If the column doesn't appear
immediately in Explorer, then re-boot.

1. "START button, Run" Type "RegEdit" & Enter.
2. Click the plus (+) signs in the left pane starting at
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER" & ending at "Explorer".
3. Finally, click the key "Advanced" in the left pane.
4. In the right pane, R-Clk an empty area point to "new" select
"Dword value" type or paste "ShowAttribCol" & Enter.
5. R-Clk "ShowAttribCol" select "Modify", enter "1" in Value Data, &
click OK.
6. Do the other two, as desired, from step (4).
7. Close RegEdit & reboot, if it doesn't already show in Explorer.

| I still see 98SE and the 9x source code as being the
| superior source code in terms of compatibility and working with APS
| has shown me how APS still needs and uses old 98SE computers for all
| of their older software that has cost too much to get rid of.

Uhuh. Stick with it, until the day it crumbles to dust!

| Now if
| Microsoft would only listen to me and realize they made a mistake by
| elimating the 9x line then maybe things would be better.

Absolutely-- & some day we must storm the castle at Redmond or some
other secret, irradiated city! A few more bolts of XP-irradiation-- &
Terhune or Christianson may reveal where that is!

| I am now
| using Millenium at work and it is not terrible. It is stupid that
| Microsoft removed the easy access to MS-DOS from Millenium. In
| addition, some of the tabing issues and style issues of ME irritate
| me. I may just have to format the ME machine and install 98 Second
| Edition on it.

I hope Win98 drivers will exist for all the peripherials!

| I already have some valid and legal copies of 98
| Second Edition and could always buy more on Ebay if it becomes
| necessary. Heck, I think 98 SE still has some life in it left
| despite the fact that support was elimated by Microsoft on July 11,
| 2006.

It WILL live, until our fingers fall through mush or dust & break on a
solid, wooden desktop!

| 98SE is still a killer operating system in my opinion and the
| best operating system Microsoft has to offer.

Yea!

| XP Professional would
| be my second choice after 98SE with Microsoft operating systems.

I don't know. I have no opinion yet on what's 2nd best. Seems doubtful
it could be XP, though!

|
| "PCR" wrote:
|
|> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|> news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
|> | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
|> | again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
|> | one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
|> | supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
|> | incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
|>
|> Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not
|> wait for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
|>
|> | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely
|> | run on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
|> | bootable CD.
|>
|> BING is good enough for it, then...
|>
|> http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
|> capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image
|> to HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions
|> without data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days,
|> $34.95.
|>
|> | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to
|> | hold images of C: and D and BING. Partition letters don't enter
|> | into the equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with
|> | the disk connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan,
|> | already.
|>
|> I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some
|> day anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting
|> XP & the secret folders it may create.
|>
|> | --
|> | Gary S. Terhune
|> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | www.grystmill.com
|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> |> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
|> |> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
|> |> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
|> |> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
|> |> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
|> |> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task.
|> |> |> If the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
|> |> |> recommend BootIt NG.
|> |> |
|> |> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
|> |> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
|> |> |
|> |> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running
|> |> | Ghost or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only
|> |> | has a CD ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD
|> |> | burner to that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D:
|> |> | drive is full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone'
|> |> | (always got those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove
|> |> | it and use my XP machine's more robust facilities to create
|> |> | that image for backup (fall-back) purposes.
|> |>
|> |> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
|> |> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the
|> |> CD drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of
|> |> the motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is
|> |> to connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the
|> |> XP-machine out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how
|> |> to do that! Probably, when done, your Dartition will become
|> |> Eartition, if you elect to keep the second HDD permanently
|> |> installed.
|> |>
|> |> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create
|> |> | an image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have
|> |> | to transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since
|> |> | the 98 machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would
|> |> | multiple CD's be a problem?
|> |> |
|> |> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
|> |> |
|> |> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the
|> |> | effort of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the
|> |> | apps? Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested
|> |> | that.
|> |> |
|> |> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've
|> |> | found the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[PCR]

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:u4PEO224HHA.5724@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
| You can run BING from a CD. TI and NG might also have that
| capability. But you need some place to put the image.

That is the rub, as you know Hamlet did say. I'm thinking, Teflon can
run BING from a floppy or install it to the current HDD. Then -- if a
2nd HDD can function in place of the CD-ROM (I don't know)-- Teflon can
make his copy to that.

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ei9BGk24HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
|> news:1187618687.961616.264920@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com
|> | On Aug 19, 12:12 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
|> |> 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
|> |> again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd
|> |> want one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the
|> |> mobo supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the
|> |> issues of incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
|> |>
|> |> > Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the
|> |> > Primary IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine?
|> |> > And is the CD drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE
|> |> > connector of the motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a
|> |> > second option is to connect a second HDD as a slave to the
|> |> > first & cut the XP-machine out of the picture altogether! I
|> |> > have a master on how to do that! Probably, when done, your
|> |> > Dartition will become Eartition, if you elect to keep the
|> |> > second HDD permanently installed.
|> |>
|> |
|> | Those are both good suggestions, provided this was a desktop
|> | machine. However, it's a lqptop. A very limited laptop. Thought
|> | I said that early on. Sorry if I didn't, or it got buried. Yes,
|> | C: & D: are 2 GB partitions on the one 4 GB HDD.
|>
|> Yea, I see you said "laptop"-- (& usually I do stay out of such
|> threads! But, now that I'm here)...
|>
|> What is the CD-ROM plugged into? Can you unplug it temporarily &
|> plug in a 2nd HDD? Do you have a floppy drive? Even without a floppy
|> drive, it's possible BING can get the job done-- IF a 2nd HDD will
|> work in the CD-ROM slot. This is the best way to avoid secret,
|> irradiated XP-folders-- unless Terhune comes up with something
|> involving LAN, USB or LPT ports!
|>
|> (But I know nothing about birthing babies or laptop computers!)
|>
|> | Being an older laptop, the HDD is buried under the keyboard, so
|> | removing it to make an image isn't the simple loosen one screw and
|> | slide it out, like my XP machine (also a lqptop), but that's the
|> | only solution I could come up with, UNLESS, I could somehow use
|> | one of those Internet-based storage sites as the recipient for the
|> | Ghost / True Image output. Anyone know if that would work?
|> |
|> | Interesting MS discussion.
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[MEB]

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:eYJCh604HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| OK... Sounds to me like the same thing True Image, Ghost, or even BING are
| capable of. They do not include empty clusters in their images unless you
| tell them to. (Well, I don't know about Ghost, but that's the case for the
| other two.) They can span several CDs or DVDs, as well. You just have to
| have a CD (or DVD) burner attached.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com

Right, same style with partition saving, just the sectors being used.
Like I said, for free, , , , works pretty good. No need to use Bing and
feel like you should actually pay for the program. [Of course you don't get
the boot manager / MBR / partition tool like Bing though.]

So as an easily downloaded program, here's another option for Teflon, and
others in need.

Makes me wonder how long this prog will be free. Apparently works with XP
and VISTA as well.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:uxnl2e04HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| >
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:uakuhnu4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | Sounds really complicated, MEB, <s>.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| >
| > Ah, not really, its actually rather simple, and easily accomplished. But
| > then I have done this before with small hard drives on laptops and
| > desktops.
| > The prog basicly sets up the method for you, assigning consecutive CD
| > images. Burn them to disk, use the DOS disk [with CDROM support] to boot
| > after you've done what you need, and put the images back on the disk.
When
| > done run scandisk to reset the disk, boot to Safe Mode just to check the
| > disk and files, boot normally and its done.
| >
| > If the second partition contains nothing more than storage, its even
| > easier. Though even then, one need only save the storage area first,
burn
| > it
| > and then remove it to free space for the actual system files/images.
| >
| > Remember we have to always consider that others may not have extra disks
| > just laying around to use, or a networked computer to transfer the files
| > to.
| > This happens to be a relatively easy way for the normal user to
accomplish
| > the task without extra hardware or the need to purchase some program.
| >
| > Of course some of the other imaging progs provide the same basic
| > abilities,
| > but for a free DOS disk ONLY program, partition saving [partsav] seems
to
| > work quite well.
| >
| >
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:ujDHfYu4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | >
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
| > | > again,
| > | > | sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want one
| > that's
| > | > | fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo supporting
| > large
| > | > | drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of incompatibility
can
| > be
| > | > | EXTREMELY frustrating.
| > | > |
| > | > | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely
run
| > on
| > | > the
| > | > | 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a bootable
CD.
| > | > |
| > | > | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to
| > hold
| > | > | images of C: and D and BING. Partition letters don't enter into
| > the
| > | > | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
| > | > | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > Excuse the interruption, and not following down through the
extremely
| > long
| > | > thread:
| > | >
| > | > One could also use a free program called partition saving, which
also
| > | > happens to be its web link
| > | > Simple DOS based, saves only the used portions OR whatever
| > | > portions/elements
| > | > you want, Can cut the partition into CDROM sized segments..
| > | >
| > | > http://www.partition-saving.com
| > | >
| > | > The one issue might be the external hard drive used for saving the
| > | > partition. Saves the potential issues with XP connection.
| > | >
| > | > Though, with careful usage, one could save parts of the partition,
| > burn
| > to
| > | > CDROM, delete those parts freeing space for the main program areas
and
| > | > system. Then burning those to disk, before doing whatever needs
done.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB
| > | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > ________
| > | >
| >
| > --
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > ________
| >
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Dan]

I think 98SE is really stable if the user knows how to configure it properly
and what they are doing. The only issue may be poor drivers that can be
written for some of the hardware that I have run into. Another issue may be
problems with dlls if they get very mixed up but it really is more stable
than people give it credit in my opinion.

"philo" wrote:

>
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0EC79EC6-012E-4BCE-8E64-32FBA1D728A9@microsoft.com...
> > Remember philo that each operating system has its own uses. Windows 2000
> is
> > much more business orientated and centered around NT technology as
> compared
> > to Windows 98 Second Edition which is consumer orientated and based on 9x
> > technology although it was a big hit with businesses also much to the
> > surprise of Microsoft. This is a key in realizing why there is still so
> much
> > potential to the 9x source code. I hope eventually a combination product
> or
> > perhaps another 9x product will come out to the marketplace. I am working
> on
> > this but it will most likely take years to see the light of day if it
> happens
> > at all.
> >
>
> True Win98 and Win2k are two entirely different operating systems...but
> because the use essentially the same GUI...
> anyone who can use win98 should have no problems using Win2k.
>
> Though, through the years I've upgraded my hardware...I eventually switched
> , for the most part, to Win2k simply because it's more stable than
> win98...however I never wanted to give up win98 entirely as some of the
> older apps and dos apps run better on win98 for sure.
>
> With my last hardware upgrade...win98 did not survive. I could not get it to
> work with my new equipment.
> What I did was to clone it to another drive...then put that into an AMD-550
> that has removable drive kits installed.
> In a short time I had my old win98 again up and running. Because of the
> removable drive kits I must have about 20 old operating systems saved...
> going back to win3x, OS2, NT3.5 etc.
>
>
>

 

[Dan]

Thanks!

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> I don't know what you mean, "how" did I subscribe to MSDN. I subscribed,
> period. No, MS does not offer the 98 to 98SE UPDATE CD anymore. You'd have
> to look around and find someone who has it and make a copy.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B2160DDA-9EEC-47FC-9E76-492A7AF970FF@microsoft.com...
> > <snipped for length concerns>
> >
> > Hey Gary, I am a technet subscriber and have considered becoming a technet
> > plus subscriber. Is it honesty worth $500? BTW, what did you do to
> > become a
> > MSDN subscriber and what does that offer? In addition, I still have my 98
> > update cd that has come in very handy to upgrade 98 Second Edition to the
> > B
> > version from the A version. I actually ended up with 2 copies due to a
> > glitch, I think. I ordered one as Dan and another as Daniel and got 2
> > copies. I ordered a second time because I thought the first order got
> > lost
> > and figured requesting a 2 copy would be the easiest way to make sure I
> > got
> > the cd. Do you know if Microsoft offers that cd anymore for people like
> > the
> > OP that could make it easier to update 98 S.E. to Internet Explorer 6 to
> > allow for use with Windows Update. You also get WMP 9 whether you want it
> > or
> > not. I have never had too much of an issue with WMP 9, personally.
> > Thanks
> > in advance for the replies.
>
>
>

 

[Dan]

The movie was Sneakers.

"Curt Christianson" wrote:

> I don't remember too much from the 1980's Dan. I think I was in the midst
> of a decade-long blackout.
>
> --
> HTH,
> Curt
>
> Windows Support Center
> www.aumha.org
> Practically Nerded,...
> http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
>
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3B9514A1-E2E4-40B1-A909-BB7FCE80BED5@microsoft.com...
> | Now, now we can't have "too many secrets" now can we. Anyone catch the
> movie
> | reference between the quotes. Hint it is an older movie and I think it is
> | from the 1980's.
> |
> | "Curt Christianson" wrote:
> |
> | > Us XP users *love* our secrets!
> | >
> | > --
> | > HTH,
> | > Curt
> | >
> | > Windows Support Center
> | > www.aumha.org
> | > Practically Nerded,...
> | > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
> | >
> | > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | > news:%23M59Qhp4HHA.5740@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
> | > || 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
> | > || again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
> | > || one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
> | > || supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
> | > || incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
> | > |
> | > | Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not
> wait
> | > | for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
> | > |
> | > || 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run
> | > || on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
> | > || bootable CD.
> | > |
> | > | BING is good enough for it, then...
> | > |
> | > | http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
> | > | capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image
> to
> | > | HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
> | > | data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
> | > |
> | > || My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to
> hold
> | > || images of C: and D and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
> | > || equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
> | > || connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
> | > |
> | > | I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some
> day
> | > | anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP &
> the
> | > | secret folders it may create.
> | > |
> | > || --
> | > || Gary S. Terhune
> | > || MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > || www.grystmill.com
> | > ||
> | > || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | > || news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > ||> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> | > ||> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
> | > ||> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> | > ||> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
> | > ||> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
> | > ||> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If
> | > ||> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
> | > ||> |> recommend BootIt NG.
> | > ||> |
> | > ||> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
> | > ||> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
> | > ||> |
> | > ||> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost
> | > ||> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD
> | > ||> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to
> | > ||> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is
> | > ||> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got
> | > ||> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP
> | > ||> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup
> | > ||> | (fall-back) purposes.
> | > ||>
> | > ||> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
> | > ||> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD
> | > ||> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
> | > ||> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
> | > ||> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine
> | > ||> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that!
> | > ||> Probably, when done, your Dartition will become Eartition, if
> | > ||> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
> | > ||>
> | > ||> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
> | > ||> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
> | > ||> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
> | > ||> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be
> | > ||> | a problem?
> | > ||> |
> | > ||> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
> | > ||> |
> | > ||> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort
> | > ||> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps?
> | > ||> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
> | > ||> |
> | > ||> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've
> found
> | > ||> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
> | > ||>
> | > ||> --
> | > ||> Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > ||> There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > ||> Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > ||> Should things get worse after this,
> | > ||> PCR
> | > ||> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > | There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > | Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > | Should things get worse after this,
> | > | PCR
> | > | pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
>
>

 

[Dan]

Thanks for your input Gary.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> XP has three possible settings. Hide Hidden files, show Hidden files, and
> show "super-hidden" files (Protected Operating System files). I leave that
> last turned of because it makes a lot of things more inconvenient. They
> often can't be moved or deleted and that makes mass file operations a pain..
>
> As for XP vs 9x, or the prospects of a new 9x... You realize that you're
> beating a dead horse, right? Ain't never going to happen unless MS for some
> reason gives away the patent on the 9x kernel and someone else does it.
> Writing endless paragraphs about it is not going to change the facts (and
> will prompt me to start ignoring your posts again). You could bury MS in
> suggestion/complaint letters and it still would never happen. It's like
> asking Ford to bring back the Econoline. Never going to happen. Get over it.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:095127BA-8FAF-4D3F-8095-CC4D1D45A0C9@microsoft.com...
> > The question that I ask is if you reveal all files in XP Professional does
> > it
> > really reveal all the files or still keep some secret. I have heard with
> > 98SE when you reveal all the files then it actually reveals them. I still
> > see 98SE and the 9x source code as being the superior source code in terms
> > of
> > compatibility and working with APS has shown me how APS still needs and
> > uses
> > old 98SE computers for all of their older software that has cost too much
> > to
> > get rid of. Now if Microsoft would only listen to me and realize they
> > made a
> > mistake by elimating the 9x line then maybe things would be better. I am
> > now
> > using Millenium at work and it is not terrible. It is stupid that
> > Microsoft
> > removed the easy access to MS-DOS from Millenium. In addition, some of
> > the
> > tabing issues and style issues of ME irritate me. I may just have to
> > format
> > the ME machine and install 98 Second Edition on it. I already have some
> > valid and legal copies of 98 Second Edition and could always buy more on
> > Ebay
> > if it becomes necessary. Heck, I think 98 SE still has some life in it
> > left
> > despite the fact that support was elimated by Microsoft on July 11, 2006.
> > 98SE is still a killer operating system in my opinion and the best
> > operating
> > system Microsoft has to offer. XP Professional would be my second choice
> > after 98SE with Microsoft operating systems.
> >
> > "PCR" wrote:
> >
> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> >> news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
> >> | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
> >> | again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
> >> | one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
> >> | supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
> >> | incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
> >>
> >> Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not wait
> >> for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
> >>
> >> | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run
> >> | on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
> >> | bootable CD.
> >>
> >> BING is good enough for it, then...
> >>
> >> http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
> >> capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
> >> HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
> >> data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
> >>
> >> | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold
> >> | images of C: and D and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
> >> | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
> >> | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
> >>
> >> I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some day
> >> anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP & the
> >> secret folders it may create.
> >>
> >> | --
> >> | Gary S. Terhune
> >> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> >> | www.grystmill.com
> >> |
> >> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> >> | news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> |> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> |> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
> >> |> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> >> |> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
> >> |> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
> >> |> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If
> >> |> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
> >> |> |> recommend BootIt NG.
> >> |> |
> >> |> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
> >> |> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
> >> |> |
> >> |> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost
> >> |> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD
> >> |> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to
> >> |> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is
> >> |> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got
> >> |> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP
> >> |> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup
> >> |> | (fall-back) purposes.
> >> |>
> >> |> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
> >> |> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD
> >> |> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
> >> |> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
> >> |> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine
> >> |> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that!
> >> |> Probably, when done, your Dartition will become Eartition, if
> >> |> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
> >> |>
> >> |> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
> >> |> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
> >> |> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
> >> |> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be
> >> |> | a problem?
> >> |> |
> >> |> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
> >> |> |
> >> |> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort
> >> |> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps?
> >> |> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
> >> |> |
> >> |> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found
> >> |> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
> >> |>
> >> |> --
> >> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> >> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> >> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> >> |> Should things get worse after this,
> >> |> PCR
> >> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks or Good Luck,
> >> There may be humor in this post, and,
> >> Naturally, you will not sue,
> >> Should things get worse after this,
> >> PCR
> >> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>