Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

[Dan]

Wow, did you do anything special to allow for that set up?

"98 Guy" wrote:

> Dan wrote:
>
> > I have heard a controller card can allow the OP to get around
> > this barrier but I have not tried it myself.
>
> Win-98 works fine on a 500 gb SATA hard drive (the largest drive I've
> tried so far).
>

 

[Teflon]

On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk space, you
> could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any scheme that
> has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost bound to
> fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and least reliable
> of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True Image or Ghost
> will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I consider OK for
> backing up a few files, but not for an image.
>
> Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port? Does your
> desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com

Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but does
have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB port,
or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited resources.

My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.

Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?

I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition on
the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition
Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to create
the image.

Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical, more a
learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise and
observations is much appreciated.

 

[Dan]

You are most welcome. I feel that I learn more here than anywhere else in
many ways. <smile>

"Teflon" wrote:

> On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> > I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk space, you
> > could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any scheme that
> > has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost bound to
> > fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and least reliable
> > of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True Image or Ghost
> > will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I consider OK for
> > backing up a few files, but not for an image.
> >
> > Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port? Does your
> > desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
>
> Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but does
> have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
> port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB port,
> or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited resources.
>
> My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
> parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
> each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
> working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
> parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
>
> Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
>
> I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition on
> the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition
> Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to create
> the image.
>
> Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical, more a
> learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise and
> observations is much appreciated.
>
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Well, you'd need a Windows-based imaging tool to use any network solution.
That leaves out Ghost or TrueImage, unless you have an old copy. Image from
BootIt NG, though, would work. You'd need the Image program, you couldn't
use the imaging utility contained in BootIt NG.

To image to the same hard drive, you'd need to have enough space to shrink
your existing partition and still leave enough room to run Windows and
perform the upgrade. while leaving enough unpartitioned space to store the
image. How large is your hard drive and how much free space does it have
(look in My Computer.) BootIt NG is the tool for this job.

An external USB hard drive will run just fine on USB1, just very slowly. My
question would be if the mobo has native USB support so that BootIt NG would
see it, otherwise you'd have to use Image from Terabyte Unlimited (the makes
of BootIt NG.)

Have we already gone over the use of BootIt NG?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>> I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk space,
>> you
>> could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any scheme
>> that
>> has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost bound to
>> fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and least
>> reliable
>> of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True Image or
>> Ghost
>> will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I consider OK
>> for
>> backing up a few files, but not for an image.
>>
>> Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port? Does your
>> desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
>
> Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but does
> have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
> port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB port,
> or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited resources.
>
> My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
> parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
> each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
> working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
> parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
>
> Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
>
> I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition on
> the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition
> Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to create
> the image.
>
> Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical, more a
> learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise and
> observations is much appreciated.
>
>

 

[Wandering]

In the good old DOS days stuff like Laplink and others connected
things with serial or parallel ports. Since you have a suitable cable,
why not try it. You can get it and others at:

http://vetusware.com/

Good luck!


"Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> > I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk
space, you
> > could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any
scheme that
> > has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost
bound to
> > fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and least
reliable
> > of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True Image
or Ghost
> > will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I
consider OK for
> > backing up a few files, but not for an image.
> >
> > Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port?
Does your
> > desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
>
> Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but does
> have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
> port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB
port,
> or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited
resources.
>
> My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
> parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
> each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
> working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
> parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
>
> Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
>
> I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition
on
> the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition
> Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to
create
> the image.
>
> Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical, more
a
> learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise and
> observations is much appreciated.
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Connecting the computers is not a problem. The issue is what program to use
that will create an image of Computer A on Computer B's storage media. I
know of no such program for DOS, and only one for Windows that will work in
Win98 and is currently available: Image, from Terabyte Unlimited. I don't
*think* there is an evaluation version, I *think* you have to pay for it,
period. Whereas BootIt NG has an imaging program built-in, is free for the
purpose, and can write to CD, to an external drive (if the mobo has native
USB support), to an existing partition on the hard drive (as an ISO file),
or to free space on the hard drive.

If Teflon's intent is to create a one-time backup in preparation for an
upgrade, without incurring costs, BootIt NG is the solution, and writing to
the same partition and then copying the ISO file to Computer B using some
sort of networking, which I guess in this case is the LPT link. Writing the
BootIt NG to free space on the disk, after shrinking the existing partition
is a distant second, since it can't be copied the Computer B.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Wandering" <AmoreDei@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tpOdnaLBR5m1903bnZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d@comcast.com...
> In the good old DOS days stuff like Laplink and others connected
> things with serial or parallel ports. Since you have a suitable cable,
> why not try it. You can get it and others at:
>
> http://vetusware.com/
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>> > I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk
> space, you
>> > could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any
> scheme that
>> > has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost
> bound to
>> > fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and least
> reliable
>> > of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True Image
> or Ghost
>> > will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I
> consider OK for
>> > backing up a few files, but not for an image.
>> >
>> > Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port?
> Does your
>> > desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gary S. Terhune
>> > MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
>>
>> Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but does
>> have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
>> port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB
> port,
>> or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited
> resources.
>>
>> My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
>> parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
>> each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
>> working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
>> parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
>>
>> Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
>>
>> I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition
> on
>> the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition
>> Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to
> create
>> the image.
>>
>> Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical, more
> a
>> learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise and
>> observations is much appreciated.
>>
>>
>
>

 

[PCR]

"Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
| On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
|> I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk
|> space, you could make an image and then store that on the internet,
|> but any scheme that has the backup writing directly to the remote
|> server is almost bound to fail, and would take a long, long time.
|> It's the slowest and least reliable of all the solutions thus far,
|> and I don't think either True Image or Ghost will do the job.
|> Internet backup is a special program that I consider OK for backing
|> up a few files, but not for an image.
|>
|> Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port? Does
|> your desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
|>
|> --
|> Gary S. Terhune
|> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
|
| Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but does
| have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
| port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB port,
| or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited resources.
|
| My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
| parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
| each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
| working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
| parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
|
| Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
|
| I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition on
| the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition
| Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to create
| the image.
|
| Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical, more a
| learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise and
| observations is much appreciated.

You are welcome. Lil Dave's idea is a good one, if you've got the space.
Have you examined that CD-ROM? Is it an IDE device? If so, maybe unplug
it & put an HDD temporarily in its place. That's a second or third
solution!

If you have no floppy drive & you want to use BING, you'd have to make a
Maintenance CD on maybe the XP machine, since you cannot write to the
Win98 CD-ROM. Then, install it to the 98's HDD.

 

[Dan]

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/imagew.html

Is this the program you are referring to, Gary? Also, how does an image of
someone's computer get transferred from one computer to another computer when
they are both in different locations. Is it done through remote access of XP
Professional. Feel Free to add the XP newsgroup because I am not sure the
best newsgroup there to post this under and this group has always been the
most friendly to me out of all the other newsgroups.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Connecting the computers is not a problem. The issue is what program to use
> that will create an image of Computer A on Computer B's storage media. I
> know of no such program for DOS, and only one for Windows that will work in
> Win98 and is currently available: Image, from Terabyte Unlimited. I don't
> *think* there is an evaluation version, I *think* you have to pay for it,
> period. Whereas BootIt NG has an imaging program built-in, is free for the
> purpose, and can write to CD, to an external drive (if the mobo has native
> USB support), to an existing partition on the hard drive (as an ISO file),
> or to free space on the hard drive.
>
> If Teflon's intent is to create a one-time backup in preparation for an
> upgrade, without incurring costs, BootIt NG is the solution, and writing to
> the same partition and then copying the ISO file to Computer B using some
> sort of networking, which I guess in this case is the LPT link. Writing the
> BootIt NG to free space on the disk, after shrinking the existing partition
> is a distant second, since it can't be copied the Computer B.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "Wandering" <AmoreDei@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:tpOdnaLBR5m1903bnZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > In the good old DOS days stuff like Laplink and others connected
> > things with serial or parallel ports. Since you have a suitable cable,
> > why not try it. You can get it and others at:
> >
> > http://vetusware.com/
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> >
> > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> >> > I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk
> > space, you
> >> > could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any
> > scheme that
> >> > has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost
> > bound to
> >> > fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and least
> > reliable
> >> > of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True Image
> > or Ghost
> >> > will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I
> > consider OK for
> >> > backing up a few files, but not for an image.
> >> >
> >> > Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port?
> > Does your
> >> > desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Gary S. Terhune
> >> > MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
> >>
> >> Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but does
> >> have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
> >> port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB
> > port,
> >> or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited
> > resources.
> >>
> >> My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
> >> parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
> >> each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
> >> working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
> >> parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
> >>
> >> Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
> >>
> >> I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition
> > on
> >> the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition
> >> Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to
> > create
> >> the image.
> >>
> >> Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical, more
> > a
> >> learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise and
> >> observations is much appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

 

[Dan]

I know I am not the OP but how do you go about making a maintenance cd and
could you elaborate what you are getting at PCR?

"PCR" wrote:

> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
> | On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> |> I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk
> |> space, you could make an image and then store that on the internet,
> |> but any scheme that has the backup writing directly to the remote
> |> server is almost bound to fail, and would take a long, long time.
> |> It's the slowest and least reliable of all the solutions thus far,
> |> and I don't think either True Image or Ghost will do the job.
> |> Internet backup is a special program that I consider OK for backing
> |> up a few files, but not for an image.
> |>
> |> Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port? Does
> |> your desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
> |>
> |> --
> |> Gary S. Terhune
> |> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
> |
> | Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but does
> | have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
> | port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB port,
> | or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited resources.
> |
> | My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
> | parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
> | each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
> | working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
> | parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
> |
> | Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
> |
> | I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition on
> | the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition
> | Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to create
> | the image.
> |
> | Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical, more a
> | learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise and
> | observations is much appreciated.
>
> You are welcome. Lil Dave's idea is a good one, if you've got the space.
> Have you examined that CD-ROM? Is it an IDE device? If so, maybe unplug
> it & put an HDD temporarily in its place. That's a second or third
> solution!
>
> If you have no floppy drive & you want to use BING, you'd have to make a
> Maintenance CD on maybe the XP machine, since you cannot write to the
> Win98 CD-ROM. Then, install it to the 98's HDD.
>
>
>

 

[PCR]

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7DB89C3F-E9E7-473E-9A19-F85B8F13C8B5@microsoft.com
| I know I am not the OP but how do you go about making a maintenance
| cd and could you elaborate what you are getting at PCR?

The answer you seek about creating a Maintenance CD I'm sure is
somewhere at...
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/
The Terabyte Knowledge Base

There's no sense in my re-writing it, especially as I personally only
use a floppy drive for it. It's at least a 4 or 5 step procedure! After
the maintenance CD is created, it must be used to install BING to the
current HDD. That will be a number of additional steps, also to found at
the TKB. (And I've never actually installed BING, but only run it from a
Maintenance Floppy.)

Then, unplug the CD-ROM & plug the 2nd HDD temporarily in its stead--
which I can't swear is possible. You do have to get the jumpers right.
After that, make the copy or image & replace the CD-ROM.

I probably would prefer a copy (not an Image). Also, I would switch this
2nd HDD with the first & boot it. Again, there will be jumpers to get
right & a few additional considerations, which I can post upon request.
But let the ORIGINAL be the copy at least until the work is done-- which
is (IIRC) that Teflon wants to install Win98SE in place of FE!

| "PCR" wrote:
|
|> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
|> news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
|> | On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
|> |> I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk
|> |> space, you could make an image and then store that on the
|> |> internet, but any scheme that has the backup writing directly to
|> |> the remote server is almost bound to fail, and would take a long,
|> |> long time. It's the slowest and least reliable of all the
|> |> solutions thus far, and I don't think either True Image or Ghost
|> |> will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I
|> |> consider OK for backing up a few files, but not for an image.
|> |>
|> |> Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port?
|> |> Does your desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT
|> |> ports?
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Gary S. Terhune
|> |> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
|> |
|> | Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but does
|> | have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
|> | port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB
|> | port, or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited
|> | resources.
|> |
|> | My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
|> | parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
|> | each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
|> | working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
|> | parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
|> |
|> | Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
|> |
|> | I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition
|> | on the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have
|> | Partition Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on
|> | FE to create the image.
|> |
|> | Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical,
|> | more a learning experience than anything else, so all your help,
|> | advise and observations is much appreciated.
|>
|> You are welcome. Lil Dave's idea is a good one, if you've got the
|> space. Have you examined that CD-ROM? Is it an IDE device? If so,
|> maybe unplug it & put an HDD temporarily in its place. That's a
|> second or third solution!
|>
|> If you have no floppy drive & you want to use BING, you'd have to
|> make a Maintenance CD on maybe the XP machine, since you cannot
|> write to the Win98 CD-ROM. Then, install it to the 98's HDD.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

An image is a regular file, Dan. Most often with the ISO extension. You can
do with it the same things you can do with any file. Because an image of a
hard drive partition is usually quite large, the only decent ways to
transport it are over a network, whether it's a LAN, WAN or the internet, or
using an external hard drive. That or you break it up using some utility and
burn it to CDs or DVDs.

No, the XP groups are not interested in this conversation.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A4C0B217-5D65-40A9-8B0D-1794C9370057@microsoft.com...
> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/imagew.html
>
> Is this the program you are referring to, Gary? Also, how does an image
> of
> someone's computer get transferred from one computer to another computer
> when
> they are both in different locations. Is it done through remote access of
> XP
> Professional. Feel Free to add the XP newsgroup because I am not sure the
> best newsgroup there to post this under and this group has always been the
> most friendly to me out of all the other newsgroups.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>
>> Connecting the computers is not a problem. The issue is what program to
>> use
>> that will create an image of Computer A on Computer B's storage media. I
>> know of no such program for DOS, and only one for Windows that will work
>> in
>> Win98 and is currently available: Image, from Terabyte Unlimited. I don't
>> *think* there is an evaluation version, I *think* you have to pay for it,
>> period. Whereas BootIt NG has an imaging program built-in, is free for
>> the
>> purpose, and can write to CD, to an external drive (if the mobo has
>> native
>> USB support), to an existing partition on the hard drive (as an ISO
>> file),
>> or to free space on the hard drive.
>>
>> If Teflon's intent is to create a one-time backup in preparation for an
>> upgrade, without incurring costs, BootIt NG is the solution, and writing
>> to
>> the same partition and then copying the ISO file to Computer B using some
>> sort of networking, which I guess in this case is the LPT link. Writing
>> the
>> BootIt NG to free space on the disk, after shrinking the existing
>> partition
>> is a distant second, since it can't be copied the Computer B.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "Wandering" <AmoreDei@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:tpOdnaLBR5m1903bnZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> > In the good old DOS days stuff like Laplink and others connected
>> > things with serial or parallel ports. Since you have a suitable cable,
>> > why not try it. You can get it and others at:
>> >
>> > http://vetusware.com/
>> >
>> > Good luck!
>> >
>> >
>> > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>> >> > I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk
>> > space, you
>> >> > could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any
>> > scheme that
>> >> > has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost
>> > bound to
>> >> > fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and least
>> > reliable
>> >> > of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True Image
>> > or Ghost
>> >> > will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I
>> > consider OK for
>> >> > backing up a few files, but not for an image.
>> >> >
>> >> > Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port?
>> > Does your
>> >> > desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Gary S. Terhune
>> >> > MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
>> >>
>> >> Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but does
>> >> have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
>> >> port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB
>> > port,
>> >> or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited
>> > resources.
>> >>
>> >> My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
>> >> parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
>> >> each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
>> >> working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
>> >> parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
>> >>
>> >> Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
>> >>
>> >> I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition
>> > on
>> >> the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition
>> >> Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to
>> > create
>> >> the image.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical, more
>> > a
>> >> learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise and
>> >> observations is much appreciated.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

 

[Dan]

Ah, thank you and that makes so much sense. When I helped test Vista
Ultimate, 32 bit for Microsoft I burned the ISO image from the website to a
DVD after I had downloaded the file. I have a CD burner and a DVD burner as
well. I really do enjoy dual-booting with XP Professional and 98 Second
Edition. I was talking to Microsoft support recently and the engineer who
said he was from India said that he did the same thing as I did with a
dual-boot of 98SE and XP Pro. So it could be possible to remotely transport
someone's entire computer desktop via an ISO image to another computer and
then setup the account on that other computer. Ah, now I see why Chris
Quirke, MVP is so concerned about Windows XP Professional and the lack of
maintance operating system like 98SE has with DOS. The way I see it now is
that XP has too many services and this makes it vulnerable. In addition, XP
Pro. has remote desktop while really nice for remote admin. it allows for a
vulnerability such as what happened at the school that I work at to happen.
98SE is a closed system and has much more limited access by other people
remotely. 98SE also has DOS which allows for people to use older programs
and have great fun. Because, 98SE is tied with the 9x source code then this
allows for people and even schools to use older programs like games and
educational software that will not run on XP. This is the reason that I
think 98SE is a great operating system and hopefully people will see this and
jump back on the bandwagon by purchasing full copies of 98SE for dual-boot
systems and to allow schools to use all of their older educational software
that otherwise would have to be thrown away.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> An image is a regular file, Dan. Most often with the ISO extension. You can
> do with it the same things you can do with any file. Because an image of a
> hard drive partition is usually quite large, the only decent ways to
> transport it are over a network, whether it's a LAN, WAN or the internet, or
> using an external hard drive. That or you break it up using some utility and
> burn it to CDs or DVDs.
>
> No, the XP groups are not interested in this conversation.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A4C0B217-5D65-40A9-8B0D-1794C9370057@microsoft.com...
> > http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/imagew.html
> >
> > Is this the program you are referring to, Gary? Also, how does an image
> > of
> > someone's computer get transferred from one computer to another computer
> > when
> > they are both in different locations. Is it done through remote access of
> > XP
> > Professional. Feel Free to add the XP newsgroup because I am not sure the
> > best newsgroup there to post this under and this group has always been the
> > most friendly to me out of all the other newsgroups.
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> >
> >> Connecting the computers is not a problem. The issue is what program to
> >> use
> >> that will create an image of Computer A on Computer B's storage media. I
> >> know of no such program for DOS, and only one for Windows that will work
> >> in
> >> Win98 and is currently available: Image, from Terabyte Unlimited. I don't
> >> *think* there is an evaluation version, I *think* you have to pay for it,
> >> period. Whereas BootIt NG has an imaging program built-in, is free for
> >> the
> >> purpose, and can write to CD, to an external drive (if the mobo has
> >> native
> >> USB support), to an existing partition on the hard drive (as an ISO
> >> file),
> >> or to free space on the hard drive.
> >>
> >> If Teflon's intent is to create a one-time backup in preparation for an
> >> upgrade, without incurring costs, BootIt NG is the solution, and writing
> >> to
> >> the same partition and then copying the ISO file to Computer B using some
> >> sort of networking, which I guess in this case is the LPT link. Writing
> >> the
> >> BootIt NG to free space on the disk, after shrinking the existing
> >> partition
> >> is a distant second, since it can't be copied the Computer B.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary S. Terhune
> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
> >> www.grystmill.com
> >>
> >> "Wandering" <AmoreDei@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:tpOdnaLBR5m1903bnZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> > In the good old DOS days stuff like Laplink and others connected
> >> > things with serial or parallel ports. Since you have a suitable cable,
> >> > why not try it. You can get it and others at:
> >> >
> >> > http://vetusware.com/
> >> >
> >> > Good luck!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> >> >> > I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk
> >> > space, you
> >> >> > could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any
> >> > scheme that
> >> >> > has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost
> >> > bound to
> >> >> > fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and least
> >> > reliable
> >> >> > of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True Image
> >> > or Ghost
> >> >> > will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I
> >> > consider OK for
> >> >> > backing up a few files, but not for an image.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port?
> >> > Does your
> >> >> > desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Gary S. Terhune
> >> >> > MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but does
> >> >> have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
> >> >> port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB
> >> > port,
> >> >> or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited
> >> > resources.
> >> >>
> >> >> My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
> >> >> parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
> >> >> each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
> >> >> working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
> >> >> parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
> >> >>
> >> >> Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
> >> >>
> >> >> I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition
> >> > on
> >> >> the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition
> >> >> Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to
> >> > create
> >> >> the image.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical, more
> >> > a
> >> >> learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise and
> >> >> observations is much appreciated.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

 

[Dan]

Thanks PCR!

"PCR" wrote:

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7DB89C3F-E9E7-473E-9A19-F85B8F13C8B5@microsoft.com
> | I know I am not the OP but how do you go about making a maintenance
> | cd and could you elaborate what you are getting at PCR?
>
> The answer you seek about creating a Maintenance CD I'm sure is
> somewhere at...
> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/
> The Terabyte Knowledge Base
>
> There's no sense in my re-writing it, especially as I personally only
> use a floppy drive for it. It's at least a 4 or 5 step procedure! After
> the maintenance CD is created, it must be used to install BING to the
> current HDD. That will be a number of additional steps, also to found at
> the TKB. (And I've never actually installed BING, but only run it from a
> Maintenance Floppy.)
>
> Then, unplug the CD-ROM & plug the 2nd HDD temporarily in its stead--
> which I can't swear is possible. You do have to get the jumpers right.
> After that, make the copy or image & replace the CD-ROM.
>
> I probably would prefer a copy (not an Image). Also, I would switch this
> 2nd HDD with the first & boot it. Again, there will be jumpers to get
> right & a few additional considerations, which I can post upon request.
> But let the ORIGINAL be the copy at least until the work is done-- which
> is (IIRC) that Teflon wants to install Win98SE in place of FE!
>
> | "PCR" wrote:
> |
> |> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> |> news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
> |> | On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> |> |> I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the disk
> |> |> space, you could make an image and then store that on the
> |> |> internet, but any scheme that has the backup writing directly to
> |> |> the remote server is almost bound to fail, and would take a long,
> |> |> long time. It's the slowest and least reliable of all the
> |> |> solutions thus far, and I don't think either True Image or Ghost
> |> |> will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I
> |> |> consider OK for backing up a few files, but not for an image.
> |> |>
> |> |> Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port?
> |> |> Does your desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT
> |> |> ports?
> |> |>
> |> |> --
> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
> |> |
> |> | Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but does
> |> | have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
> |> | port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB
> |> | port, or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited
> |> | resources.
> |> |
> |> | My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
> |> | parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
> |> | each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
> |> | working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
> |> | parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
> |> |
> |> | Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
> |> |
> |> | I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition
> |> | on the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have
> |> | Partition Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on
> |> | FE to create the image.
> |> |
> |> | Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical,
> |> | more a learning experience than anything else, so all your help,
> |> | advise and observations is much appreciated.
> |>
> |> You are welcome. Lil Dave's idea is a good one, if you've got the
> |> space. Have you examined that CD-ROM? Is it an IDE device? If so,
> |> maybe unplug it & put an HDD temporarily in its place. That's a
> |> second or third solution!
> |>
> |> If you have no floppy drive & you want to use BING, you'd have to
> |> make a Maintenance CD on maybe the XP machine, since you cannot
> |> write to the Win98 CD-ROM. Then, install it to the 98's HDD.
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
>

 

[Curt Christianson]

Hi Dan,

I understand your fondness of 98SE, and I wouldn't consider giving up my
copy. I'm currently using XP Pro because that is what was on the machine
when I got it.

As far as others "jumping back on the 98 bandwagon", it ain't gonna happen.
For one thing, there aren't that many copies just floating around any
longer. Secondly, fewer and fewer applications will run on 98, and very
little hardware is marketed with 98 in mind.

I kind of doubt MS will re-release W98, and that would be the only way it
could be available to "the masses" again. Besides, the masses are no longer
interested in 98.

--
Curt

Windows Support Center
www.aumha.org
Practically Nerded,...
http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:287AE979-0755-4B0F-A6FE-42F41ED6D06A@microsoft.com...
| Ah, thank you and that makes so much sense. When I helped test Vista
| Ultimate, 32 bit for Microsoft I burned the ISO image from the website to
a
| DVD after I had downloaded the file. I have a CD burner and a DVD burner
as
| well. I really do enjoy dual-booting with XP Professional and 98 Second
| Edition. I was talking to Microsoft support recently and the engineer who
| said he was from India said that he did the same thing as I did with a
| dual-boot of 98SE and XP Pro. So it could be possible to remotely
transport
| someone's entire computer desktop via an ISO image to another computer and
| then setup the account on that other computer. Ah, now I see why Chris
| Quirke, MVP is so concerned about Windows XP Professional and the lack of
| maintance operating system like 98SE has with DOS. The way I see it now
is
| that XP has too many services and this makes it vulnerable. In addition,
XP
| Pro. has remote desktop while really nice for remote admin. it allows for
a
| vulnerability such as what happened at the school that I work at to
happen.
| 98SE is a closed system and has much more limited access by other people
| remotely. 98SE also has DOS which allows for people to use older programs
| and have great fun. Because, 98SE is tied with the 9x source code then
this
| allows for people and even schools to use older programs like games and
| educational software that will not run on XP. This is the reason that I
| think 98SE is a great operating system and hopefully people will see this
and
| jump back on the bandwagon by purchasing full copies of 98SE for dual-boot
| systems and to allow schools to use all of their older educational
software
| that otherwise would have to be thrown away.
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
|
| > An image is a regular file, Dan. Most often with the ISO extension. You
can
| > do with it the same things you can do with any file. Because an image of
a
| > hard drive partition is usually quite large, the only decent ways to
| > transport it are over a network, whether it's a LAN, WAN or the
internet, or
| > using an external hard drive. That or you break it up using some utility
and
| > burn it to CDs or DVDs.
| >
| > No, the XP groups are not interested in this conversation.
| >
| > --
| > Gary S. Terhune
| > MS-MVP Shell/User
| > www.grystmill.com
| >
| > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:A4C0B217-5D65-40A9-8B0D-1794C9370057@microsoft.com...
| > > http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/imagew.html
| > >
| > > Is this the program you are referring to, Gary? Also, how does an
image
| > > of
| > > someone's computer get transferred from one computer to another
computer
| > > when
| > > they are both in different locations. Is it done through remote
access of
| > > XP
| > > Professional. Feel Free to add the XP newsgroup because I am not sure
the
| > > best newsgroup there to post this under and this group has always been
the
| > > most friendly to me out of all the other newsgroups.
| > >
| > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
| > >
| > >> Connecting the computers is not a problem. The issue is what program
to
| > >> use
| > >> that will create an image of Computer A on Computer B's storage
media. I
| > >> know of no such program for DOS, and only one for Windows that will
work
| > >> in
| > >> Win98 and is currently available: Image, from Terabyte Unlimited. I
don't
| > >> *think* there is an evaluation version, I *think* you have to pay for
it,
| > >> period. Whereas BootIt NG has an imaging program built-in, is free
for
| > >> the
| > >> purpose, and can write to CD, to an external drive (if the mobo has
| > >> native
| > >> USB support), to an existing partition on the hard drive (as an ISO
| > >> file),
| > >> or to free space on the hard drive.
| > >>
| > >> If Teflon's intent is to create a one-time backup in preparation for
an
| > >> upgrade, without incurring costs, BootIt NG is the solution, and
writing
| > >> to
| > >> the same partition and then copying the ISO file to Computer B using
some
| > >> sort of networking, which I guess in this case is the LPT link.
Writing
| > >> the
| > >> BootIt NG to free space on the disk, after shrinking the existing
| > >> partition
| > >> is a distant second, since it can't be copied the Computer B.
| > >>
| > >> --
| > >> Gary S. Terhune
| > >> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > >> www.grystmill.com
| > >>
| > >> "Wandering" <AmoreDei@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > >> news:tpOdnaLBR5m1903bnZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d@comcast.com...
| > >> > In the good old DOS days stuff like Laplink and others connected
| > >> > things with serial or parallel ports. Since you have a suitable
cable,
| > >> > why not try it. You can get it and others at:
| > >> >
| > >> > http://vetusware.com/
| > >> >
| > >> > Good luck!
| > >> >
| > >> >
| > >> > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > >> > news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
| > >> >> On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
| > >> >> > I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the
disk
| > >> > space, you
| > >> >> > could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any
| > >> > scheme that
| > >> >> > has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost
| > >> > bound to
| > >> >> > fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and
least
| > >> > reliable
| > >> >> > of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True
Image
| > >> > or Ghost
| > >> >> > will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I
| > >> > consider OK for
| > >> >> > backing up a few files, but not for an image.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port?
| > >> > Does your
| > >> >> > desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > --
| > >> >> > Gary S. Terhune
| > >> >> > MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
| > >> >>
| > >> >> Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but
does
| > >> >> have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
| > >> >> port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB
| > >> > port,
| > >> >> or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited
| > >> > resources.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
| > >> >> parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
| > >> >> each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
| > >> >> working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
| > >> >> parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
| > >> >>
| > >> >> I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition
| > >> > on
| > >> >> the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition
| > >> >> Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to
| > >> > create
| > >> >> the image.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical,
more
| > >> > a
| > >> >> learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise
and
| > >> >> observations is much appreciated.
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >
| > >> >
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>
| >
| >
| >

 

[PCR]

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9C012F27-A798-49E9-8E4A-3F0E651EF12F@microsoft.com
| Thanks PCR!

You are welcome.

| "PCR" wrote:
|
|> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
|> news:7DB89C3F-E9E7-473E-9A19-F85B8F13C8B5@microsoft.com
|> | I know I am not the OP but how do you go about making a maintenance
|> | cd and could you elaborate what you are getting at PCR?
|>
|> The answer you seek about creating a Maintenance CD I'm sure is
|> somewhere at...
|> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/
|> The Terabyte Knowledge Base
|>
|> There's no sense in my re-writing it, especially as I personally only
|> use a floppy drive for it. It's at least a 4 or 5 step procedure!
|> After the maintenance CD is created, it must be used to install BING
|> to the current HDD. That will be a number of additional steps, also
|> to found at the TKB. (And I've never actually installed BING, but
|> only run it from a Maintenance Floppy.)
|>
|> Then, unplug the CD-ROM & plug the 2nd HDD temporarily in its stead--
|> which I can't swear is possible. You do have to get the jumpers
|> right. After that, make the copy or image & replace the CD-ROM.
|>
|> I probably would prefer a copy (not an Image). Also, I would switch
|> this 2nd HDD with the first & boot it. Again, there will be jumpers
|> to get right & a few additional considerations, which I can post
|> upon request. But let the ORIGINAL be the copy at least until the
|> work is done-- which is (IIRC) that Teflon wants to install Win98SE
|> in place of FE!
|>
|> | "PCR" wrote:
|> |
|> |> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
|> |> news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
|> |> | On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
|> |> |> I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the
|> |> |> disk space, you could make an image and then store that on the
|> |> |> internet, but any scheme that has the backup writing directly
|> |> |> to the remote server is almost bound to fail, and would take a
|> |> |> long, long time. It's the slowest and least reliable of all the
|> |> |> solutions thus far, and I don't think either True Image or
|> |> |> Ghost will do the job. Internet backup is a special program
|> |> |> that I consider OK for backing up a few files, but not for an
|> |> |> image.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port?
|> |> |> Does your desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT
|> |> |> ports?
|> |> |>
|> |> |> --
|> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
|> |> |
|> |> | Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but
|> |> | does have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a
|> |> | parallel port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via
|> |> | that 1.0 USB port, or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's
|> |> | laptop's limited resources.
|> |> |
|> |> | My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port
|> |> | and a parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them
|> |> | to talk to each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but
|> |> | that stopped working. Also had a crossover cable that
|> |> | connected them via the parallel port, but haven't used that for
|> |> | awhile.
|> |> |
|> |> | Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
|> |> |
|> |> | I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd
|> |> | partition on the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I
|> |> | do have Partition Magic. Will check to see if anything I have
|> |> | will run on FE to create the image.
|> |> |
|> |> | Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical,
|> |> | more a learning experience than anything else, so all your help,
|> |> | advise and observations is much appreciated.
|> |>
|> |> You are welcome. Lil Dave's idea is a good one, if you've got the
|> |> space. Have you examined that CD-ROM? Is it an IDE device? If so,
|> |> maybe unplug it & put an HDD temporarily in its place. That's a
|> |> second or third solution!
|> |>
|> |> If you have no floppy drive & you want to use BING, you'd have to
|> |> make a Maintenance CD on maybe the XP machine, since you cannot
|> |> write to the Win98 CD-ROM. Then, install it to the 98's HDD.
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Dan]

Thanks for your input, Curt. It is the masses loss, then imo.

"Curt Christianson" wrote:

> Hi Dan,
>
> I understand your fondness of 98SE, and I wouldn't consider giving up my
> copy. I'm currently using XP Pro because that is what was on the machine
> when I got it.
>
> As far as others "jumping back on the 98 bandwagon", it ain't gonna happen.
> For one thing, there aren't that many copies just floating around any
> longer. Secondly, fewer and fewer applications will run on 98, and very
> little hardware is marketed with 98 in mind.
>
> I kind of doubt MS will re-release W98, and that would be the only way it
> could be available to "the masses" again. Besides, the masses are no longer
> interested in 98.
>
> --
> Curt
>
> Windows Support Center
> www.aumha.org
> Practically Nerded,...
> http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
>
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:287AE979-0755-4B0F-A6FE-42F41ED6D06A@microsoft.com...
> | Ah, thank you and that makes so much sense. When I helped test Vista
> | Ultimate, 32 bit for Microsoft I burned the ISO image from the website to
> a
> | DVD after I had downloaded the file. I have a CD burner and a DVD burner
> as
> | well. I really do enjoy dual-booting with XP Professional and 98 Second
> | Edition. I was talking to Microsoft support recently and the engineer who
> | said he was from India said that he did the same thing as I did with a
> | dual-boot of 98SE and XP Pro. So it could be possible to remotely
> transport
> | someone's entire computer desktop via an ISO image to another computer and
> | then setup the account on that other computer. Ah, now I see why Chris
> | Quirke, MVP is so concerned about Windows XP Professional and the lack of
> | maintance operating system like 98SE has with DOS. The way I see it now
> is
> | that XP has too many services and this makes it vulnerable. In addition,
> XP
> | Pro. has remote desktop while really nice for remote admin. it allows for
> a
> | vulnerability such as what happened at the school that I work at to
> happen.
> | 98SE is a closed system and has much more limited access by other people
> | remotely. 98SE also has DOS which allows for people to use older programs
> | and have great fun. Because, 98SE is tied with the 9x source code then
> this
> | allows for people and even schools to use older programs like games and
> | educational software that will not run on XP. This is the reason that I
> | think 98SE is a great operating system and hopefully people will see this
> and
> | jump back on the bandwagon by purchasing full copies of 98SE for dual-boot
> | systems and to allow schools to use all of their older educational
> software
> | that otherwise would have to be thrown away.
> |
> | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> |
> | > An image is a regular file, Dan. Most often with the ISO extension. You
> can
> | > do with it the same things you can do with any file. Because an image of
> a
> | > hard drive partition is usually quite large, the only decent ways to
> | > transport it are over a network, whether it's a LAN, WAN or the
> internet, or
> | > using an external hard drive. That or you break it up using some utility
> and
> | > burn it to CDs or DVDs.
> | >
> | > No, the XP groups are not interested in this conversation.
> | >
> | > --
> | > Gary S. Terhune
> | > MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > www.grystmill.com
> | >
> | > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | > news:A4C0B217-5D65-40A9-8B0D-1794C9370057@microsoft.com...
> | > > http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/imagew.html
> | > >
> | > > Is this the program you are referring to, Gary? Also, how does an
> image
> | > > of
> | > > someone's computer get transferred from one computer to another
> computer
> | > > when
> | > > they are both in different locations. Is it done through remote
> access of
> | > > XP
> | > > Professional. Feel Free to add the XP newsgroup because I am not sure
> the
> | > > best newsgroup there to post this under and this group has always been
> the
> | > > most friendly to me out of all the other newsgroups.
> | > >
> | > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> | > >
> | > >> Connecting the computers is not a problem. The issue is what program
> to
> | > >> use
> | > >> that will create an image of Computer A on Computer B's storage
> media. I
> | > >> know of no such program for DOS, and only one for Windows that will
> work
> | > >> in
> | > >> Win98 and is currently available: Image, from Terabyte Unlimited. I
> don't
> | > >> *think* there is an evaluation version, I *think* you have to pay for
> it,
> | > >> period. Whereas BootIt NG has an imaging program built-in, is free
> for
> | > >> the
> | > >> purpose, and can write to CD, to an external drive (if the mobo has
> | > >> native
> | > >> USB support), to an existing partition on the hard drive (as an ISO
> | > >> file),
> | > >> or to free space on the hard drive.
> | > >>
> | > >> If Teflon's intent is to create a one-time backup in preparation for
> an
> | > >> upgrade, without incurring costs, BootIt NG is the solution, and
> writing
> | > >> to
> | > >> the same partition and then copying the ISO file to Computer B using
> some
> | > >> sort of networking, which I guess in this case is the LPT link.
> Writing
> | > >> the
> | > >> BootIt NG to free space on the disk, after shrinking the existing
> | > >> partition
> | > >> is a distant second, since it can't be copied the Computer B.
> | > >>
> | > >> --
> | > >> Gary S. Terhune
> | > >> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > >> www.grystmill.com
> | > >>
> | > >> "Wandering" <AmoreDei@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > >> news:tpOdnaLBR5m1903bnZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d@comcast.com...
> | > >> > In the good old DOS days stuff like Laplink and others connected
> | > >> > things with serial or parallel ports. Since you have a suitable
> cable,
> | > >> > why not try it. You can get it and others at:
> | > >> >
> | > >> > http://vetusware.com/
> | > >> >
> | > >> > Good luck!
> | > >> >
> | > >> >
> | > >> > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> | > >> > news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> | > >> >> On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> | > >> >> > I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the
> disk
> | > >> > space, you
> | > >> >> > could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any
> | > >> > scheme that
> | > >> >> > has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost
> | > >> > bound to
> | > >> >> > fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and
> least
> | > >> > reliable
> | > >> >> > of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True
> Image
> | > >> > or Ghost
> | > >> >> > will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I
> | > >> > consider OK for
> | > >> >> > backing up a few files, but not for an image.
> | > >> >> >
> | > >> >> > Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port?
> | > >> > Does your
> | > >> >> > desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
> | > >> >> >
> | > >> >> > --
> | > >> >> > Gary S. Terhune
> | > >> >> > MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
> | > >> >>
> | > >> >> Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but
> does
> | > >> >> have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel
> | > >> >> port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB
> | > >> > port,
> | > >> >> or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited
> | > >> > resources.
> | > >> >>
> | > >> >> My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a
> | > >> >> parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to
> | > >> >> each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
> | > >> >> working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the
> | > >> >> parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
> | > >> >>
> | > >> >> Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
> | > >> >>
> | > >> >> I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition
> | > >> > on
> | > >> >> the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition
> | > >> >> Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to
> | > >> > create
> | > >> >> the image.
> | > >> >>
> | > >> >> Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical,
> more
> | > >> > a
> | > >> >> learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise
> and
> | > >> >> observations is much appreciated.
> | > >> >>
> | > >> >>
> | > >> >
> | > >> >
> | > >>
> | > >>
> | > >>
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
>
>

 

[Curt Christianson]

Like I said Dan, if it weren't for the fact this machine already had XP, I'd
be running 98. I was a diehard 98 person, and *hated* XP. Now that I've
been running it for about 1 1/2 years, I've grown to like it.

--
HTH,
Curt

Windows Support Center
www.aumha.org
Practically Nerded,...
http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:39BD8AED-2D4C-45EF-B33F-86FF47F99472@microsoft.com...
| Thanks for your input, Curt. It is the masses loss, then imo.
|
| "Curt Christianson" wrote:
|
| > Hi Dan,
| >
| > I understand your fondness of 98SE, and I wouldn't consider giving up my
| > copy. I'm currently using XP Pro because that is what was on the
machine
| > when I got it.
| >
| > As far as others "jumping back on the 98 bandwagon", it ain't gonna
happen.
| > For one thing, there aren't that many copies just floating around any
| > longer. Secondly, fewer and fewer applications will run on 98, and very
| > little hardware is marketed with 98 in mind.
| >
| > I kind of doubt MS will re-release W98, and that would be the only way
it
| > could be available to "the masses" again. Besides, the masses are no
longer
| > interested in 98.
| >
| > --
| > Curt
| >
| > Windows Support Center
| > www.aumha.org
| > Practically Nerded,...
| > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
| >
| > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:287AE979-0755-4B0F-A6FE-42F41ED6D06A@microsoft.com...
| > | Ah, thank you and that makes so much sense. When I helped test Vista
| > | Ultimate, 32 bit for Microsoft I burned the ISO image from the
website to
| > a
| > | DVD after I had downloaded the file. I have a CD burner and a DVD
burner
| > as
| > | well. I really do enjoy dual-booting with XP Professional and 98
Second
| > | Edition. I was talking to Microsoft support recently and the engineer
who
| > | said he was from India said that he did the same thing as I did with a
| > | dual-boot of 98SE and XP Pro. So it could be possible to remotely
| > transport
| > | someone's entire computer desktop via an ISO image to another computer
and
| > | then setup the account on that other computer. Ah, now I see why
Chris
| > | Quirke, MVP is so concerned about Windows XP Professional and the lack
of
| > | maintance operating system like 98SE has with DOS. The way I see it
now
| > is
| > | that XP has too many services and this makes it vulnerable. In
addition,
| > XP
| > | Pro. has remote desktop while really nice for remote admin. it allows
for
| > a
| > | vulnerability such as what happened at the school that I work at to
| > happen.
| > | 98SE is a closed system and has much more limited access by other
people
| > | remotely. 98SE also has DOS which allows for people to use older
programs
| > | and have great fun. Because, 98SE is tied with the 9x source code
then
| > this
| > | allows for people and even schools to use older programs like games
and
| > | educational software that will not run on XP. This is the reason that
I
| > | think 98SE is a great operating system and hopefully people will see
this
| > and
| > | jump back on the bandwagon by purchasing full copies of 98SE for
dual-boot
| > | systems and to allow schools to use all of their older educational
| > software
| > | that otherwise would have to be thrown away.
| > |
| > | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
| > |
| > | > An image is a regular file, Dan. Most often with the ISO extension.
You
| > can
| > | > do with it the same things you can do with any file. Because an
image of
| > a
| > | > hard drive partition is usually quite large, the only decent ways to
| > | > transport it are over a network, whether it's a LAN, WAN or the
| > internet, or
| > | > using an external hard drive. That or you break it up using some
utility
| > and
| > | > burn it to CDs or DVDs.
| > | >
| > | > No, the XP groups are not interested in this conversation.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Gary S. Terhune
| > | > MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > www.grystmill.com
| > | >
| > | > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:A4C0B217-5D65-40A9-8B0D-1794C9370057@microsoft.com...
| > | > > http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/imagew.html
| > | > >
| > | > > Is this the program you are referring to, Gary? Also, how does an
| > image
| > | > > of
| > | > > someone's computer get transferred from one computer to another
| > computer
| > | > > when
| > | > > they are both in different locations. Is it done through remote
| > access of
| > | > > XP
| > | > > Professional. Feel Free to add the XP newsgroup because I am not
sure
| > the
| > | > > best newsgroup there to post this under and this group has always
been
| > the
| > | > > most friendly to me out of all the other newsgroups.
| > | > >
| > | > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
| > | > >
| > | > >> Connecting the computers is not a problem. The issue is what
program
| > to
| > | > >> use
| > | > >> that will create an image of Computer A on Computer B's storage
| > media. I
| > | > >> know of no such program for DOS, and only one for Windows that
will
| > work
| > | > >> in
| > | > >> Win98 and is currently available: Image, from Terabyte Unlimited.
I
| > don't
| > | > >> *think* there is an evaluation version, I *think* you have to pay
for
| > it,
| > | > >> period. Whereas BootIt NG has an imaging program built-in, is
free
| > for
| > | > >> the
| > | > >> purpose, and can write to CD, to an external drive (if the mobo
has
| > | > >> native
| > | > >> USB support), to an existing partition on the hard drive (as an
ISO
| > | > >> file),
| > | > >> or to free space on the hard drive.
| > | > >>
| > | > >> If Teflon's intent is to create a one-time backup in preparation
for
| > an
| > | > >> upgrade, without incurring costs, BootIt NG is the solution, and
| > writing
| > | > >> to
| > | > >> the same partition and then copying the ISO file to Computer B
using
| > some
| > | > >> sort of networking, which I guess in this case is the LPT link.
| > Writing
| > | > >> the
| > | > >> BootIt NG to free space on the disk, after shrinking the existing
| > | > >> partition
| > | > >> is a distant second, since it can't be copied the Computer B.
| > | > >>
| > | > >> --
| > | > >> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > >> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > >> www.grystmill.com
| > | > >>
| > | > >> "Wandering" <AmoreDei@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > >> news:tpOdnaLBR5m1903bnZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d@comcast.com...
| > | > >> > In the good old DOS days stuff like Laplink and others
connected
| > | > >> > things with serial or parallel ports. Since you have a suitable
| > cable,
| > | > >> > why not try it. You can get it and others at:
| > | > >> >
| > | > >> > http://vetusware.com/
| > | > >> >
| > | > >> > Good luck!
| > | > >> >
| > | > >> >
| > | > >> > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > >> > news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
| > | > >> >> On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
| > | > >> >> > I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the
| > disk
| > | > >> > space, you
| > | > >> >> > could make an image and then store that on the internet, but
any
| > | > >> > scheme that
| > | > >> >> > has the backup writing directly to the remote server is
almost
| > | > >> > bound to
| > | > >> >> > fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and
| > least
| > | > >> > reliable
| > | > >> >> > of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True
| > Image
| > | > >> > or Ghost
| > | > >> >> > will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I
| > | > >> > consider OK for
| > | > >> >> > backing up a few files, but not for an image.
| > | > >> >> >
| > | > >> >> > Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial
port?
| > | > >> > Does your
| > | > >> >> > desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports?
| > | > >> >> >
| > | > >> >> > --
| > | > >> >> > Gary S. Terhune
| > | > >> >> > MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
| > | > >> >>
| > | > >> >> Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but
| > does
| > | > >> >> have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a
parallel
| > | > >> >> port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0
USB
| > | > >> > port,
| > | > >> >> or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited
| > | > >> > resources.
| > | > >> >>
| > | > >> >> My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port
and a
| > | > >> >> parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to
talk to
| > | > >> >> each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped
| > | > >> >> working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via
the
| > | > >> >> parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile.
| > | > >> >>
| > | > >> >> Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities?
| > | > >> >>
| > | > >> >> I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd
partition
| > | > >> > on
| > | > >> >> the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have
Partition
| > | > >> >> Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to
| > | > >> > create
| > | > >> >> the image.
| > | > >> >>
| > | > >> >> Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing
critical,
| > more
| > | > >> > a
| > | > >> >> learning experience than anything else, so all your help,
advise
| > and
| > | > >> >> observations is much appreciated.
| > | > >> >>
| > | > >> >>
| > | > >> >
| > | > >> >
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >