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[Stephan Rose]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:53:19 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Try selling Gaim to a kid who wants the same emoticons and features as in
> WLMessenger so he/she can be like his/her friends.. while it is accepted
> that there are equivalents (more or less), they may not fulfil all criteria
> of the user..
>
> This makes them neither good or bad, just plain unacceptable..

Actually Mike, Gaim does use the identical emoticons that WLMessenger uses.

Matter of fact, Gaim even supports the custom emoticons that my friend
from Taiwan, who uses the latest version of WLMessenger, uses.

It also supports the native AIM emoticons.
Native Yahoo emoticons.

And so on...sometimes to my dismay as I find some of the emoticons I see
some people use just to be completely stupid and wish it wouldn't support
them. =)

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[Tim Judd]

Alias wrote:
> Synapse Syndrome wrote:
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:%23kjgYvkwHHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Synapse Syndrome wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23OJtlXkwHHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> I would add that Gaim will not only support MSN Messenger but
>>>>> Yahoo, AIM, Jabber, ICQ, Simple, IRC, QQ, GaduGadu, and GroupWise,
>>>>> all with the same application.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think Gaim is called Pidgin now.
>>>>
>>>> ss.
>>>
>>> Not the one I am looking at right now. It's full name is Gaim
>>> Internet Messenger.
>>>
>>
>> http://pages.citebite.com/x1w9q4s1v0koc
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaim
>>
>> ss.
>
> I guess when it's ready for the repositories, I'll get it.
>
> Alias

You probably installed Gaim. I don't think it's actively developed
anymore, so you probably won't be getting software updates for Gaim
because Pidgin is now the actively developed software that replaced
Gaim. Now, if you distribution will replace gaim with pidgin, you try
to find the Gaim icon to find it missing, then you start your hunt to
find where it went. Well, it didn't "go" anywhere, it was replaced by a
program previously (had) not known.

I think it was a pretty sneaky move, I didn't read anything about it
until I tried installing Gaim on my BSD box, to which it said "Gaim
won't be supported..blah blah, Pidgin..." That's the only notification
I saw.

If you don't actively swap the two, I bet you'll still be running Gaim
in years to come.

 

[Frank]

ray wrote:


>
> 'most popular software' have Linux equivalents which are every bit as good.
>

Hummm...obviously you've never used any really serious graphics software
in a production mode. The op mentioned graphic industry standards, not
some toy software to fix red eye in your personal pics.

I'd like to see you convert an sRGB color space graphic PSD file into a
CMYK PSD final output file and take it to a high end printer for a 160K+
run using linux apps. I know of no one doing that and I'm sure there is
no real linux apps equal to CS or Sonic, etc.
So don't make me laugh!
A few of these specialized animated movie houses write their software apps.
Pixar is SJ production house so they are presumably all MAC.
Frank

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:09:49 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Honestly no Frank, I don't see what's ridiculous about me using gaim to
>> talk to my friends on other networks.
>
> The op mentioned some seriously heavy weight software...sonic...adobe
> photoshop, etc., which is nothing like im'ing friends over the net,
> right?

Agreed, but it was im'ing friends I was referring to. =)

Other software, like I said, I mostly stick with running under windows if
I find I can't live without them. Luckily that is a short list. =)

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[Frank]

ray wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:24:45 -0600, IAmTheOne wrote:
>
>
>>OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can I do
>>with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft, I am
>>ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish what I
>>need.
>>
>>1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
>>4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>>5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros etc...)
>>6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>>7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my Wife's
>>Palm Pilot
>>8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging from
>>5 years old to 2 months old
>>10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4 computers in my
>>house and allow remote access while away.
>>
>>this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this with XP
>>and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>
>
> If you are really interested in getting answers, I suggest you try a Linux
> newsgroup, and perhaps try it without a chip on your shoulder i.e. 'I can do all
> this with XP and Vista . . .'


Oh great idea! Do that an run head on into the linux zealot fanatics who
think rs is the next coming of christ! MS hating linux lovin losers!
Never met such a group of complete A*SHOLES IN ALL MY LIFE! And most of
them are still living in their mom's basement.
Enter at you own peril.
Frank

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Is there no facility to turn the extra emoticons off? I did, bloody things
that they are.. almost as bad as reading hieroglyphics..


"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
news:U7ednWtgMeK9BQ_bnZ2dnUVZ8sfinZ2d@giganews.com...
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:53:19 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> Try selling Gaim to a kid who wants the same emoticons and features as in
>> WLMessenger so he/she can be like his/her friends.. while it is accepted
>> that there are equivalents (more or less), they may not fulfil all
>> criteria
>> of the user..
>>
>> This makes them neither good or bad, just plain unacceptable..
>
> Actually Mike, Gaim does use the identical emoticons that WLMessenger
> uses.
>
> Matter of fact, Gaim even supports the custom emoticons that my friend
> from Taiwan, who uses the latest version of WLMessenger, uses.
>
> It also supports the native AIM emoticons.
> Native Yahoo emoticons.
>
> And so on...sometimes to my dismay as I find some of the emoticons I see
> some people use just to be completely stupid and wish it wouldn't support
> them. =)
>
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[Stephan Rose]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:52:13 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Is there no facility to turn the extra emoticons off? I did, bloody things
> that they are.. almost as bad as reading hieroglyphics..

Well seeing how I can read Hiragana, Katakana and currently about
150 Kanji, reading emoticons isn't that far of a stretch for me. =)

Can't read Hieroglyphics yet though!

There is an option to turn it off somewhere but I actually don't mind most
run of the mill emoticons like smileys.

What I find ridiculous is when people start replacing entire words or
sentences with emoticons!

For instance, I know a girl who has an animated emoticon for the word
"Okay". I just wanna strangle her everytime she uses it. It's things like
that which drive me nuts!

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[The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy]

Alias wrote:
> Mr. Happy wrote:
>> IAmTheOne wrote:
>>
>>> OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can
>>> I do
>>> with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft,
>>> I am
>>> ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish
>>> what I
>>> need.
>>>
>>> 1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>
>> No, unless you install vmplayer or similar vm. But there are Linux
>> replacements that might do what you need.
>>
>>> 2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>
>> Yes
>>
>>> 3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
>>
>> Yes
>>
>>> 4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>>
>> Yes
>>
>>> 5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
>>
>> Yes
>>
>>> etc...) 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>>
>> Yes
>>
>>> 7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my
>>> Wife's
>>> Palm Pilot
>> Yes
>>
>>> 8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>> Yes and certainly more advanced.
>>
>>> 9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging
>>> from 5 years old to 2 months old
>> Yes, with maybe the exception of the Canon as it's got a horrible record
>> supporting Linux. My particular Canon printer works (i850). Others
>> mentioned are very well supported.
>>
>>> 10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4
>>> computers in
>>> my house and allow remote access while away.
>>>
>> Yes
>>
>>> this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this
>>> with
>>> XP and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>
>> See above.
>>
>> Shake Hands With,
>> Mr. Happy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> I would add that Gaim will not only support MSN Messenger but Yahoo,
> AIM, Jabber, ICQ, Simple, IRC, QQ, GaduGadu, and GroupWise, all with the
> same application.
>
> Alias

I don't supposed they added webcam support yet, eh?

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[ray]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:26:43 -0700, Frank wrote:

> ray wrote:
>
>
>>
>> 'most popular software' have Linux equivalents which are every bit as good.
>>
>
> Hummm...obviously you've never used any really serious graphics software
> in a production mode. The op mentioned graphic industry standards, not
> some toy software to fix red eye in your personal pics.
>
> I'd like to see you convert an sRGB color space graphic PSD file into a
> CMYK PSD final output file and take it to a high end printer for a 160K+
> run using linux apps. I know of no one doing that and I'm sure there is
> no real linux apps equal to CS or Sonic, etc.

You're right that I've had limited experience in this area. But GIMP and
Cinepaint will indeed read PSD files, and I have used imagemagick to
convert to cmyk, though not in psd format, but it should not be difficult
to do that.

> So don't make me laugh!
> A few of these specialized animated movie houses write their software apps.
> Pixar is SJ production house so they are presumably all MAC.
> Frank

 

[Adam Albright]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:30:39 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:


>I know several people running photoshop under WINE. And no, it is not 'a
>slug'. Many folks report MS software running better under WINE than
>natively on MS.

People say they saw a UFO all the time. That doesn't make it true. -)

Wine (stands for Wine is not an emulator) is just another a layer that
translates Windows' API requests into equivalent POSIX code (Portable
Operating System Interface) which happens to be based on UNIX.

The idea is to be able to run Windows application without having
Windows installed or being encumbered by Microsoft's license
restrictions.

I would doubt applications run faster with WINE. I would further doubt
a lot of people would run Photoshop under WINE since GIMP being a
Photoshop clone is the rough equilvent of Photoshop.

>'most popular software' have Linux equivalents which are every bit as good.

Baloney!

Ever hear of Sony? Yes, THAT Sony Corporation. One of divisions in
sleepy little Madison Wisconsin called Sony Creative Software makes
some of the best mid range video editing and audio editing software on
the planet that many professionals use, including me. Many of us over
the years have done everything but beg their VP in charge of
programming research to develop cross platform. You know what his
answer was? When hell freezes over.

That you see is the catch 22. Major software developers simply aren't
going to invest the time, effort and money to offer their flagship
products on some OS that at best has no more than 10% of the market.

The point is much of the really good software is Windows only, always
has been and likely isn't going to change. Linux equivalents? Nothing
close to Vegas, that's for sure or Acid or Sound Forge. Sure, there is
a lot of junk that's free that runs on Linux. Operative word junk!

 

[Frank]

ray wrote:

>
> You're right that I've had limited experience in this area. But GIMP and
> Cinepaint will indeed read PSD files, and I have used imagemagick to
> convert to cmyk, though not in psd format, but it should not be difficult
> to do that.

It's nothing to do with how difficult, it's how accurate the final
output file will be.
It also has to do with what professional people trust. As I've said
before, it's been hard enough doing graphic work on PC and dealing with
a MAC mentality crowd at the printers. But Adobe has now leaned way over
to the PC crowd so it's not longer a problem.
But the very last thing one's wants to do is to run into a problem with
a paying clients file on final output and possibly miss a mechanical
deadline.
Frank

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:29:14 -0500, The poster formerly known as Nina
DiBoy wrote:

> Alias wrote:
>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>> IAmTheOne wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can
>>>> I do
>>>> with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft,
>>>> I am
>>>> ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish
>>>> what I
>>>> need.
>>>>
>>>> 1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>>
>>> No, unless you install vmplayer or similar vm. But there are Linux
>>> replacements that might do what you need.
>>>
>>>> 2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> 3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> 4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> 5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> etc...) 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> 7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my
>>>> Wife's
>>>> Palm Pilot
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> 8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>> Yes and certainly more advanced.
>>>
>>>> 9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging
>>>> from 5 years old to 2 months old
>>> Yes, with maybe the exception of the Canon as it's got a horrible record
>>> supporting Linux. My particular Canon printer works (i850). Others
>>> mentioned are very well supported.
>>>
>>>> 10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4
>>>> computers in
>>>> my house and allow remote access while away.
>>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this
>>>> with
>>>> XP and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>>
>>> See above.
>>>
>>> Shake Hands With,
>>> Mr. Happy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I would add that Gaim will not only support MSN Messenger but Yahoo,
>> AIM, Jabber, ICQ, Simple, IRC, QQ, GaduGadu, and GroupWise, all with the
>> same application.
>>
>> Alias
>
> I don't supposed they added webcam support yet, eh?
>

No they haven't.

If you want webcam support, use Kopete. =)

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[Frank]

Adam Albright wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:30:39 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I know several people running photoshop under WINE. And no, it is not 'a
>>slug'. Many folks report MS software running better under WINE than
>>natively on MS.
>
>
> People say they saw a UFO all the time. That doesn't make it true. -)
>
> Wine (stands for Wine is not an emulator) is just another a layer that
> translates Windows' API requests into equivalent POSIX code (Portable
> Operating System Interface) which happens to be based on UNIX.
>
> The idea is to be able to run Windows application without having
> Windows installed or being encumbered by Microsoft's license
> restrictions.
>
> I would doubt applications run faster with WINE. I would further doubt
> a lot of people would run Photoshop under WINE since GIMP being a
> Photoshop clone is the rough equilvent of Photoshop.
>
>
>>'most popular software' have Linux equivalents which are every bit as good.
>
>
> Baloney!
>
> Ever hear of Sony? Yes, THAT Sony Corporation. One of divisions in
> sleepy little Madison Wisconsin called Sony Creative Software makes
> some of the best mid range video editing and audio editing software on
> the planet that many professionals use, including me. Many of us over
> the years have done everything but beg their VP in charge of
> programming research to develop cross platform. You know what his
> answer was? When hell freezes over.
>
> That you see is the catch 22. Major software developers simply aren't
> going to invest the time, effort and money to offer their flagship
> products on some OS that at best has no more than 10% of the market.
>
> The point is much of the really good software is Windows only, always
> has been and likely isn't going to change. Linux equivalents? Nothing
> close to Vegas, that's for sure or Acid or Sound Forge. Sure, there is
> a lot of junk that's free that runs on Linux. Operative word junk!
>


OMG...I can't believe I agree with every word of the above.
But I do!
Frank

 

[Mr. Happy]

Frank wrote:

> Adam Albright wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:30:39 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I know several people running photoshop under WINE. And no, it is not 'a
>>>slug'. Many folks report MS software running better under WINE than
>>>natively on MS.
>>
>>
>> People say they saw a UFO all the time. That doesn't make it true. -)
>>
>> Wine (stands for Wine is not an emulator) is just another a layer that
>> translates Windows' API requests into equivalent POSIX code (Portable
>> Operating System Interface) which happens to be based on UNIX.
>>
>> The idea is to be able to run Windows application without having
>> Windows installed or being encumbered by Microsoft's license
>> restrictions.
>>
>> I would doubt applications run faster with WINE. I would further doubt
>> a lot of people would run Photoshop under WINE since GIMP being a
>> Photoshop clone is the rough equilvent of Photoshop.
>>
>>
>>>'most popular software' have Linux equivalents which are every bit as
>>>good.
>>
>>
>> Baloney!
>>
>> Ever hear of Sony? Yes, THAT Sony Corporation. One of divisions in
>> sleepy little Madison Wisconsin called Sony Creative Software makes
>> some of the best mid range video editing and audio editing software on
>> the planet that many professionals use, including me. Many of us over
>> the years have done everything but beg their VP in charge of
>> programming research to develop cross platform. You know what his
>> answer was? When hell freezes over.
>>
>> That you see is the catch 22. Major software developers simply aren't
>> going to invest the time, effort and money to offer their flagship
>> products on some OS that at best has no more than 10% of the market.
>>
>> The point is much of the really good software is Windows only, always
>> has been and likely isn't going to change. Linux equivalents? Nothing
>> close to Vegas, that's for sure or Acid or Sound Forge. Sure, there is
>> a lot of junk that's free that runs on Linux. Operative word junk!
>>
>
>
> OMG...I can't believe I agree with every word of the above.
> But I do!
> Frank

That's because you're as ignorant as Madame Allbright. The major hollywood
special effects studios are all using Linux and proprietary Linux software
to work their magic. They're miles ahead of anything in the Windows world.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

 

[No.Thanks@Here.com]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:34:26 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:31:42 -0400, No.Thanks wrote:
>>
>> How about Quickbooks Pro '99? Would this run under Ubuntu? If so I
>> might actually take the plunge and try this one out. Thanks for all
>> the replies, too!
>>
>> Avatar
>
>As I understand it, Intuit has recently announced a Linux port of
>quickbooks. You'd have to check with them for details.

Really? Thanks, I'll look into it.

Avatar

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:48:48 -0700, Mr. Happy wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> Adam Albright wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:30:39 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I know several people running photoshop under WINE. And no, it is not 'a
>>>>slug'. Many folks report MS software running better under WINE than
>>>>natively on MS.
>>>
>>>
>>> People say they saw a UFO all the time. That doesn't make it true. -)
>>>
>>> Wine (stands for Wine is not an emulator) is just another a layer that
>>> translates Windows' API requests into equivalent POSIX code (Portable
>>> Operating System Interface) which happens to be based on UNIX.
>>>
>>> The idea is to be able to run Windows application without having
>>> Windows installed or being encumbered by Microsoft's license
>>> restrictions.
>>>
>>> I would doubt applications run faster with WINE. I would further doubt
>>> a lot of people would run Photoshop under WINE since GIMP being a
>>> Photoshop clone is the rough equilvent of Photoshop.
>>>
>>>
>>>>'most popular software' have Linux equivalents which are every bit as
>>>>good.
>>>
>>>
>>> Baloney!
>>>
>>> Ever hear of Sony? Yes, THAT Sony Corporation. One of divisions in
>>> sleepy little Madison Wisconsin called Sony Creative Software makes
>>> some of the best mid range video editing and audio editing software on
>>> the planet that many professionals use, including me. Many of us over
>>> the years have done everything but beg their VP in charge of
>>> programming research to develop cross platform. You know what his
>>> answer was? When hell freezes over.
>>>
>>> That you see is the catch 22. Major software developers simply aren't
>>> going to invest the time, effort and money to offer their flagship
>>> products on some OS that at best has no more than 10% of the market.
>>>
>>> The point is much of the really good software is Windows only, always
>>> has been and likely isn't going to change. Linux equivalents? Nothing
>>> close to Vegas, that's for sure or Acid or Sound Forge. Sure, there is
>>> a lot of junk that's free that runs on Linux. Operative word junk!
>>>
>>
>>
>> OMG...I can't believe I agree with every word of the above.
>> But I do!
>> Frank
>
> That's because you're as ignorant as Madame Allbright. The major hollywood
> special effects studios are all using Linux and proprietary Linux software
> to work their magic. They're miles ahead of anything in the Windows
> world.

But we aren't talking about Major Hollywood studios here with proprietary
Linux software and server farms.

We're talking about mid-range small business and home users that don't
have access to said proprietary software or the extreme high dollar high
end software used by the major vendors.

Two entire separate markets that use different software. Comparing apples
and oranges here.

Even I, being a software developer myself, have to agree with Adam. The
key thing that allows me to support both Linux and Windows is with my
software is the fact that cross-platform libraries have advanced
sufficiently enough over the past couple years to where doing so is
feasible and allow me to produce one set of code for any platform with no
additional work.

I honestly have to say that if that wasn't the case, I probably wouldn't be
doing it either as I just wouldn't have the time. Porting existing
applications which can easily contain a few hundred thousand lines of code
to such cross platform libraries would be a huge amount of work for any
company and they aren't about to do it unless it is really worth the cost
VS reward.

I don't blame any companies for not wanting to convert existing software.
I do however wish that more companies would take advantage of today's
cross platform libraries to support more platforms as from a programming
standpoint, it is not any more work to do so and these libraries have
become extremely powerful even when just used in windows. MFC just plain
sucks in comparison.

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[Frank]

Mr. Happy wrote:


That's because you're as ignorant as Madame Allbright. The major hollywood
special effects studios are all using Linux and proprietary Linux software
to work their magic.

Uhhh...if you could read doris...I already said that.
But Pixar is using MAC's cause SJ owns it.

They're miles ahead of anything in the Windows world.

No, that's not true at all.
Frank

 

[Alias]

Tim Judd wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Synapse Syndrome wrote:
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:%23kjgYvkwHHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Synapse Syndrome wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23OJtlXkwHHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would add that Gaim will not only support MSN Messenger but
>>>>>> Yahoo, AIM, Jabber, ICQ, Simple, IRC, QQ, GaduGadu, and GroupWise,
>>>>>> all with the same application.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Gaim is called Pidgin now.
>>>>>
>>>>> ss.
>>>>
>>>> Not the one I am looking at right now. It's full name is Gaim
>>>> Internet Messenger.
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://pages.citebite.com/x1w9q4s1v0koc
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaim
>>>
>>> ss.
>>
>> I guess when it's ready for the repositories, I'll get it.
>>
>> Alias
>
> You probably installed Gaim. I don't think it's actively developed
> anymore, so you probably won't be getting software updates for Gaim
> because Pidgin is now the actively developed software that replaced
> Gaim. Now, if you distribution will replace gaim with pidgin, you try
> to find the Gaim icon to find it missing, then you start your hunt to
> find where it went. Well, it didn't "go" anywhere, it was replaced by a
> program previously (had) not known.
>
> I think it was a pretty sneaky move, I didn't read anything about it
> until I tried installing Gaim on my BSD box, to which it said "Gaim
> won't be supported..blah blah, Pidgin..." That's the only notification
> I saw.
>
> If you don't actively swap the two, I bet you'll still be running Gaim
> in years to come.

Thanks for the heads up.

Alias

 

[ray]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:35:33 -0700, Frank wrote:

> ray wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:24:45 -0600, IAmTheOne wrote:
>>
>>
>>>OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can I do
>>>with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft, I am
>>>ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish what I
>>>need.
>>>
>>>1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>>2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>>3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
>>>4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>>>5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros etc...)
>>>6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>>>7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my Wife's
>>>Palm Pilot
>>>8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>>9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging from
>>>5 years old to 2 months old
>>>10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4 computers in my
>>>house and allow remote access while away.
>>>
>>>this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this with XP
>>>and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>
>>
>> If you are really interested in getting answers, I suggest you try a Linux
>> newsgroup, and perhaps try it without a chip on your shoulder i.e. 'I can do all
>> this with XP and Vista . . .'
>
>
> Oh great idea! Do that an run head on into the linux zealot fanatics who
> think rs is the next coming of christ! MS hating linux lovin losers!
> Never met such a group of complete A*SHOLES IN ALL MY LIFE!

I have. There you are.

> And most of
> them are still living in their mom's basement.
> Enter at you own peril.
> Frank

Pretty sweeping generalization there, Frankie boy.

 

[Frank]

ray wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:35:33 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
>
>>ray wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:24:45 -0600, IAmTheOne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can I do
>>>>with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft, I am
>>>>ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish what I
>>>>need.
>>>>
>>>>1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>>>2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>>>3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
>>>>4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>>>>5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros etc...)
>>>>6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>>>>7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my Wife's
>>>>Palm Pilot
>>>>8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>>>9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging from
>>>>5 years old to 2 months old
>>>>10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4 computers in my
>>>>house and allow remote access while away.
>>>>
>>>>this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this with XP
>>>>and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>>
>>>
>>>If you are really interested in getting answers, I suggest you try a Linux
>>>newsgroup, and perhaps try it without a chip on your shoulder i.e. 'I can do all
>>>this with XP and Vista . . .'
>>
>>
>>Oh great idea! Do that an run head on into the linux zealot fanatics who
>>think rs is the next coming of christ! MS hating linux lovin losers!
>>Never met such a group of complete A*SHOLES IN ALL MY LIFE!
>
>
> I have. There you are.
>
>
>>And most of
>>them are still living in their mom's basement.
>>Enter at you own peril.
>>Frank
>
>
> Pretty sweeping generalization there, Frankie boy.
>

Well ray-baby, been there, know that.
Only place worse than any linux ng is where hell itself is
incarnate...and that's at trash dot. The devil himself resides there.
The treatment in here of you linux loser trolls is like being in heaven
compared to the treatment windows users receive over there and you and
all the rest of the your linux loser troll friends who have chosen to
invade this Windows Vista ng know just how true that is.
If I were the moderator of this ng I would block all of you lying
deceiving linux trolls from posting your misleading bs crap in this ng.
But I'm not so if you continue your deceptive ways you'll all continue
to be harassed by me.
That I can promise you.
Frank