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[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>
>>> Clueless Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IAmTheOne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what
>>>>>> can I do
>>>>>> with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of
>>>>>> microsoft, I am
>>>>>> ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish
>>>>>> what I
>>>>>> need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, unless you install vmplayer or similar vm. But there are Linux
>>>>> replacements that might do what you need.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or
>>>>>> Final Cut.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That a lie! No linux version available. Oh and forget running it on
>>>> wine, it's a real slug.
>>>> See system requirements:
>>>>
>>> He asked for "advanced video editing" software and yes there are native
>>> Linux apps to do video editing.
>>>
>>>> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/products/product.asp?PID=404&PageID=27
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes
>>>>
>>>> Another lie. There is no linux veriosn of Adobe Photoshop or PSP.
>>>
>>>
>>> He wanted "advanced photo software" and there is that available as
>>> native
>>> Linux apps. Unfortunately, you can't see beyond Windows software.
>>>
>>>>>> 5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> etc...) 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my
>>>>>> Wife's Palm Pilot
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes and certainly more advanced.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon)
>>>>>> ranging
>>>>>
>>>>> >from 5 years old to 2 months old
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, with maybe the exception of the Canon as it's got a horrible
>>>>> record
>>>>> supporting Linux. My particular Canon printer works (i850). Others
>>>>> mentioned are very well supported.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4
>>>>>> computers in
>>>>>> my house and allow remote access while away.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all
>>>>>> this with
>>>>>> XP and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See above.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shake Hands With,
>>>>> Mr. Happy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well doris...more lies...unless you run some emulator or wine you can't
>>>> run most popular software.
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> You really are an idiot, aren't you?
>>>
>>> Shake Hands With,
>>> Mr. Happy
>>
>>
>> Yes, he really is. What's funny is that he thinks he's the coolest
>> thing since sliced bread.
>>
>> Alias
>
> hehehe...so now you're the "boot licking yes man" for doris?
> Fits you very well...lol!
> Frank

No, he and I are friends. Is that foreign to you? Maybe if you stop
using foul, gutter language, your social life will improve.

Alias

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clueless Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> IAmTheOne wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what
>>>>>>> can I do
>>>>>>> with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of
>>>>>>> microsoft, I am
>>>>>>> ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can
>>>>>>> accomplish what I
>>>>>>> need.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, unless you install vmplayer or similar vm. But there are Linux
>>>>>> replacements that might do what you need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or
>>>>>>> Final Cut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That a lie! No linux version available. Oh and forget running it on
>>>>> wine, it's a real slug.
>>>>> See system requirements:
>>>>>
>>>> He asked for "advanced video editing" software and yes there are native
>>>> Linux apps to do video editing.
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/products/product.asp?PID=404&PageID=27
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another lie. There is no linux veriosn of Adobe Photoshop or PSP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He wanted "advanced photo software" and there is that available as
>>>> native
>>>> Linux apps. Unfortunately, you can't see beyond Windows software.
>>>>
>>>>>>> 5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> etc...) 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on
>>>>>>> MSN
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my
>>>>>>> Wife's Palm Pilot
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes and certainly more advanced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon)
>>>>>>> ranging
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >from 5 years old to 2 months old
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, with maybe the exception of the Canon as it's got a horrible
>>>>>> record
>>>>>> supporting Linux. My particular Canon printer works (i850). Others
>>>>>> mentioned are very well supported.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4
>>>>>>> computers in
>>>>>>> my house and allow remote access while away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all
>>>>>>> this with
>>>>>>> XP and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shake Hands With,
>>>>>> Mr. Happy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well doris...more lies...unless you run some emulator or wine you
>>>>> can't
>>>>> run most popular software.
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You really are an idiot, aren't you?
>>>>
>>>> Shake Hands With,
>>>> Mr. Happy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, he really is. What's funny is that he thinks he's the coolest
>>> thing since sliced bread.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> hehehe...so now you're the "boot licking yes man" for doris?
>> Fits you very well...lol!
>> Frank
>
>
> No, he and I are friends. Is that foreign to you? Maybe if you stop
> using foul, gutter language, your social life will improve.
>
> Alias


Oh...lol...what kind of "friends" are you two...lol!
Wait, I don't want to know.
Frank

 

[KDE]

but why run an OS that you have to run an emulator to run the programs you
need ?


"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
newsan.2007.07.09.16.38.56.790071@zianet.com...
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:24:45 -0600, IAmTheOne wrote:
>
>> OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can I do
>> with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft, I am
>> ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish what I
>> need.
>>
>> 1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>
> I believe it will run quicken under WINE. I prefer to use Gnucash. Other
> options are Kmymoney and MoneyDance - all of which will import quicken
> data.
>
>> 2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>
> I don't have and mp3 player, but according to what I've read this is a
> trivial thing to do.
>
>> 3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
>
> You could try to run those on WINE. I believe there are several industry
> quality apps available. I'm informed several major studios use Linux to
> produce motion pictures - I doubt your requirements would be any more
> demanding.
>
>> 4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>
> Again, I believe those will run on Linux using WINE. But GIMP or Cinepaint
> should allow you to do the same things.
>
>> 5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
>> etc...)
>> 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>
> There are several IM apps for Linux.
>
>> 7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my
>> Wife's
>> Palm Pilot
>
> That is a piece of cake.
>
>> 8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>
> Scribus - or run it via WINE.
>
>> 9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging
>> from
>> 5 years old to 2 months old
>
> As long as there are no dumbed down 'winprinters' this should not be an
> issue. I use an Epson Stylus Photo R320, a Brother HL1440 Laser and an HP
> Apollo on Linux. You can see avasys.jp for full info on supported Epson
> printers and scanners.
>
>> 10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4 computers in
>> my
>> house and allow remote access while away.
>
> No problem. NFS or Samba - and CUPS. I've shared printers from MS to Linux
> and from Linux to MS. BTW - you can also easily share scanners on Linux.
>
>>
>> this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this with
>> XP
>> and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>
> BTW - you'll also find a lot of BlueTooth hardware works quite well with
> Linux that does not even have MS drivers yet - very nice article about
> that in a recent Linux Pro magazine.
>

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Clueless Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IAmTheOne wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what
>>>>>>>> can I do
>>>>>>>> with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of
>>>>>>>> microsoft, I am
>>>>>>>> ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can
>>>>>>>> accomplish what I
>>>>>>>> need.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, unless you install vmplayer or similar vm. But there are Linux
>>>>>>> replacements that might do what you need.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or
>>>>>>>> Final Cut.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That a lie! No linux version available. Oh and forget running it on
>>>>>> wine, it's a real slug.
>>>>>> See system requirements:
>>>>>>
>>>>> He asked for "advanced video editing" software and yes there are
>>>>> native
>>>>> Linux apps to do video editing.
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/products/product.asp?PID=404&PageID=27
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or
>>>>>>>> PaintShop
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another lie. There is no linux veriosn of Adobe Photoshop or PSP.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He wanted "advanced photo software" and there is that available as
>>>>> native
>>>>> Linux apps. Unfortunately, you can't see beyond Windows software.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> etc...) 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world
>>>>>>>> on MSN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my
>>>>>>>> Wife's Palm Pilot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes and certainly more advanced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon)
>>>>>>>> ranging
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >from 5 years old to 2 months old
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, with maybe the exception of the Canon as it's got a horrible
>>>>>>> record
>>>>>>> supporting Linux. My particular Canon printer works (i850). Others
>>>>>>> mentioned are very well supported.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4
>>>>>>>> computers in
>>>>>>>> my house and allow remote access while away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all
>>>>>>>> this with
>>>>>>>> XP and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See above.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shake Hands With,
>>>>>>> Mr. Happy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well doris...more lies...unless you run some emulator or wine you
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> run most popular software.
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You really are an idiot, aren't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Shake Hands With,
>>>>> Mr. Happy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, he really is. What's funny is that he thinks he's the coolest
>>>> thing since sliced bread.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> hehehe...so now you're the "boot licking yes man" for doris?
>>> Fits you very well...lol!
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> No, he and I are friends. Is that foreign to you? Maybe if you stop
>> using foul, gutter language, your social life will improve.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Oh...lol...what kind of "friends" are you two...lol!
> Wait, I don't want to know.
> Frank

Nothing like what your sick mind imagines. We are both happily married
to women.

So, how's life in Sweet Virgina? Gotta scrape the sh¡t right off your
shoes? I used to live in Arlington way back when. For all you know,
Frank, we've met.

Alias

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:42:13 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:
>
>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>
>>> IAmTheOne wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can
>>>> I do
>>>> with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft,
>>>> I am
>>>> ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish
>>>> what I
>>>> need.
>>>>
>>>> 1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>>
>>>
>>> No, unless you install vmplayer or similar vm. But there are Linux
>>> replacements that might do what you need.
>>>
>>>> 2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> 3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> 4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> 5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> etc...) 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> 7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my
>>>> Wife's
>>>> Palm Pilot
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> 8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>>
>>> Yes and certainly more advanced.
>>>
>>>> 9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging
>>>> from 5 years old to 2 months old
>>>
>>> Yes, with maybe the exception of the Canon as it's got a horrible record
>>> supporting Linux. My particular Canon printer works (i850). Others
>>> mentioned are very well supported.
>>>
>>>> 10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4
>>>> computers in
>>>> my house and allow remote access while away.
>>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this
>>>> with
>>>> XP and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>>
>>>
>>> See above.
>>>
>>> Shake Hands With,
>>> Mr. Happy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I would add that Gaim will not only support MSN Messenger but Yahoo,
>> AIM, Jabber, ICQ, Simple, IRC, QQ, GaduGadu, and GroupWise, all with the
>> same application.
>>
>> Alias
>
> More lies. Everyone here knows that you can't run most software
> developed for Windows on linux without an emulator or wine.
> So who cares? It's not worth it.
> No more lies ok?

Actually Frank, Gaim does in fact support every single one of the
protocols stated above. I personally use Gaim daily to talk to friends who
use MSN, AIM and Yahoo. =)

--
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[Stephan Rose]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:52:24 -0600, KDE wrote:

> but why run an OS that you have to run an emulator to run the programs you
> need ?

You aren't.

"WINE" stands for "Wine is not an emulator"

It doesn't emulate anything.

All it does is, it provides a linux compatible Win32 API that is required
by windows software to run. So all it essentially is, is a set of
libraries that the Windows software needs with a launcher that has the
ability to load a windows executable with its associated DLL dependencies
and then run it like any other process.

It is not like VMWare where you are actually running windows on a virtual
machine.

It can't run everything windows yet though from my experience it generally
does pretty good running standard windows apps. Games are a little more
complicated due to DirectX.

It's also on a roughly 2-3 week update cycle where a new update with new
features and fixes is released so if something doesn't work today, it may
work in the near future.

It's not a perfect solution, but it at least does help considerably in
making a switch when someone has a windows app or two they can't live
without.

Ultimately the best solution is of course just using native linux apps
instead.

--
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[Stephan Rose]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:24:45 -0600, IAmTheOne wrote:

> OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can I do
> with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft, I am
> ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish what I
> need.
>
> 1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken

Potentially under wine. Quicken actually may have native linux versions in
the future as they have just very recently released QuickBooks Enterprise
for linux.

Reference:

http://midmarket.eweek.com/article/...QuickBooks+Enterprise+Solutions/209518_1.aspx

So seeing how they've done this step, if it works out well for them, I
suspect more linux support may be in the future.

As far as Money is concerned, I think the "Microsoft" part of it says it
all as far as Linux support goes.

> 2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods

No problem.

> 3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.

Well seeing how Shrek 3 was produced under Linux I think there's plenty
out there for you in terms of Video editing. Unless of course your needs
are more demanding than those for Shrek 3? =)

> 4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop

Again, see #3 as they kind of go hand in hand.

> 5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
etc...)

Again, see #3 as they kind of go hand in hand.

> 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN

gaim/pidgin
kopete

Though you will have to be content with 100% of the world. Sorry.

> 7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my
> Wife's Palm Pilot

I can't comment on those two. Don't use either device.

> 8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop

Again, not something I have any experience in or have anything I could
refer to. Can't answer that.

> 9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging
> from 5 years old to 2 months old

HP Yes. Just plug it in and print. No drivers to install.
Epson Yes. Same as above.
Cannon *maybe* though I will honestly say that it's unlikely. Cannon's
Linux support is beyond pathetic.

> 10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4 computers
> in my house and allow remote access while away.

Yes, no problems.

--
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[ray]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:40:23 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Mr. Happy wrote:
>
>> IAmTheOne wrote:
>>
>>
>>>OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can I do
>>>with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft, I am
>>>ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish what I
>>>need.
>>>
>>>1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>
>>
>> No, unless you install vmplayer or similar vm. But there are Linux
>> replacements that might do what you need.
>>
>>
>>>2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>
>>
>> Yes
>>
>>
>>>3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
>>
>>
>> Yes
>
>
> That a lie! No linux version available. Oh and forget running it on
> wine, it's a real slug.
> See system requirements:
>
> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/products/product.asp?PID=404&PageID=27
>
>>
>>>4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>>
>>
>> Yes
>
> Another lie. There is no linux veriosn of Adobe Photoshop or PSP.

I know several people running photoshop under WINE. And no, it is not 'a
slug'. Many folks report MS software running better under WINE than
natively on MS.

>>
>>>5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
>>
>>
>> Yes
>>
>>
>>>etc...) 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>>
>>
>> Yes
>>
>>
>>>7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my Wife's
>>>Palm Pilot
>>
>> Yes
>>
>>
>>>8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>
>> Yes and certainly more advanced.
>>
>>
>>>9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging
>>>from 5 years old to 2 months old
>>
>> Yes, with maybe the exception of the Canon as it's got a horrible record
>> supporting Linux. My particular Canon printer works (i850). Others
>> mentioned are very well supported.
>>
>>
>>>10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4 computers in
>>>my house and allow remote access while away.
>>>
>>
>> Yes
>>
>>
>>>this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this with
>>>XP and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>
>>
>> See above.
>>
>> Shake Hands With,
>> Mr. Happy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Well doris...more lies...unless you run some emulator or wine you can't
> run most popular software.

'most popular software' have Linux equivalents which are every bit as good.


> Frank

 

[ray]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:52:24 -0600, KDE wrote:

> but why run an OS that you have to run an emulator to run the programs you
> need ?
>
>
>

I can think of a few reasons - security and durability would be two. Linux
does not crash and it is very very rarely susceptible to malware - and you
don't have to spend large quatities of time keeping it secure. I know, for
example, that before I retired, there was one full time IT person to keep
the MS systems up to date and running. I did the same for the Linux
systesm, but I did that as a collateral duty, which took about three hours
per month.

 

[ray]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:31:42 -0400, No.Thanks wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:38:59 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:24:45 -0600, IAmTheOne wrote:
>>
>>> OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can I do
>>> with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft, I am
>>> ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish what I
>>> need.
>>>
>>> 1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>
>>I believe it will run quicken under WINE. I prefer to use Gnucash. Other
>>options are Kmymoney and MoneyDance - all of which will import quicken
>>data.
>
> How about Quickbooks Pro '99? Would this run under Ubuntu? If so I
> might actually take the plunge and try this one out. Thanks for all
> the replies, too!
>
> Avatar

As I understand it, Intuit has recently announced a Linux port of
quickbooks. You'd have to check with them for details.

 

[ray]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:24:45 -0600, IAmTheOne wrote:

> OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can I do
> with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft, I am
> ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish what I
> need.
>
> 1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
> 2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
> 3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
> 4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
> 5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros etc...)
> 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
> 7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my Wife's
> Palm Pilot
> 8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
> 9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging from
> 5 years old to 2 months old
> 10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4 computers in my
> house and allow remote access while away.
>
> this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this with XP
> and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.

If you are really interested in getting answers, I suggest you try a Linux
newsgroup, and perhaps try it without a chip on your shoulder i.e. 'I can do all
this with XP and Vista . . .'

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

That is not strictly true.. a visit to some of the Linux equivalents
websites and you can see that they are careful to point out the differences
and that some features may be lost.. it is the decision of the end user to
determine if all is ok, and the best way to do this it to run two systems
side by side until such time as the changeover can be seen to provide ALL
that is required ..


"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
newsan.2007.07.09.19.30.38.120328@zianet.com...
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:40:23 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>
>>> IAmTheOne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can I
>>>>do
>>>>with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft, I
>>>>am
>>>>ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish what
>>>>I
>>>>need.
>>>>
>>>>1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>>
>>>
>>> No, unless you install vmplayer or similar vm. But there are Linux
>>> replacements that might do what you need.
>>>
>>>
>>>>2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>
>>>>3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes
>>
>>
>> That a lie! No linux version available. Oh and forget running it on
>> wine, it's a real slug.
>> See system requirements:
>>
>> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/products/product.asp?PID=404&PageID=27
>>
>>>
>>>>4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes
>>
>> Another lie. There is no linux veriosn of Adobe Photoshop or PSP.
>
> I know several people running photoshop under WINE. And no, it is not 'a
> slug'. Many folks report MS software running better under WINE than
> natively on MS.
>
>>>
>>>>5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>
>>>>etc...) 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>
>>>>7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my
>>>>Wife's
>>>>Palm Pilot
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>
>>>>8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>>
>>> Yes and certainly more advanced.
>>>
>>>
>>>>9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging
>>>>from 5 years old to 2 months old
>>>
>>> Yes, with maybe the exception of the Canon as it's got a horrible record
>>> supporting Linux. My particular Canon printer works (i850). Others
>>> mentioned are very well supported.
>>>
>>>
>>>>10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4 computers
>>>>in
>>>>my house and allow remote access while away.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>
>>>>this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this
>>>>with
>>>>XP and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>>
>>>
>>> See above.
>>>
>>> Shake Hands With,
>>> Mr. Happy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Well doris...more lies...unless you run some emulator or wine you can't
>> run most popular software.
>
> 'most popular software' have Linux equivalents which are every bit as
> good.
>
>
>> Frank
>

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:42:13 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>Alias wrote:
>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>> IAmTheOne wrote:

>> I would add that Gaim will not only support MSN Messenger but Yahoo,
>> AIM, Jabber, ICQ, Simple, IRC, QQ, GaduGadu, and GroupWise, all with the
>> same application.

>More lies. Everyone here knows that you can't run most software
>developed for Windows on linux without an emulator or wine.

I don't think that is what he's saying. What I think he's saying is
that using Gaim, you can exchange IM with all of those other clients
(i.e. you don't have to use the native client sware to do so).



>------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
The most accurate diagnostic instrument
in medicine is the Retrospectoscope
>------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

 

[Frank]

Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:42:13 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
>
>>Alias wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mr. Happy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>IAmTheOne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can
>>>>>I do
>>>>>with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft,
>>>>>I am
>>>>>ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish
>>>>>what I
>>>>>need.
>>>>>
>>>>>1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No, unless you install vmplayer or similar vm. But there are Linux
>>>>replacements that might do what you need.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>etc...) 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my
>>>>>Wife's
>>>>>Palm Pilot
>>>>
>>>>Yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>>>
>>>>Yes and certainly more advanced.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging
>>>>>from 5 years old to 2 months old
>>>>
>>>>Yes, with maybe the exception of the Canon as it's got a horrible record
>>>>supporting Linux. My particular Canon printer works (i850). Others
>>>>mentioned are very well supported.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4
>>>>>computers in
>>>>>my house and allow remote access while away.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this
>>>>>with
>>>>>XP and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>See above.
>>>>
>>>>Shake Hands With,
>>>>Mr. Happy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I would add that Gaim will not only support MSN Messenger but Yahoo,
>>>AIM, Jabber, ICQ, Simple, IRC, QQ, GaduGadu, and GroupWise, all with the
>>>same application.
>>>
>>>Alias
>>
>>More lies. Everyone here knows that you can't run most software
>>developed for Windows on linux without an emulator or wine.
>>So who cares? It's not worth it.
>>No more lies ok?
>
>
> Actually Frank, Gaim does in fact support every single one of the
> protocols stated above. I personally use Gaim daily to talk to friends who
> use MSN, AIM and Yahoo. =)
>


Yeah but don't you see just how ridiculous that is? I'm sure no
production house with mechanical deadlines to meet is running linux with
an emulator or wine or whatever so they can run Adobe CS3.
That just makes no sense whatsoever. I'm sure running on any "enabler"
really slows things down.
Look, if linux is your thing that's great. I'm not in the linux ng
spreading FUD or bs lies.
I'm not saying you do that but we do have a small handful of linux
advocates and fanatics who troll this ng spreading FUD, lies and then
lying about the fact that they do! It also makes them sound very, very
desperate. Which we know they are.
They'll never get a break from me in this Vista ng!
Frank

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Clueless Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IAmTheOne wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office,
>>>>>>>>> what can I do
>>>>>>>>> with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of
>>>>>>>>> microsoft, I am
>>>>>>>>> ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can
>>>>>>>>> accomplish what I
>>>>>>>>> need.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, unless you install vmplayer or similar vm. But there are Linux
>>>>>>>> replacements that might do what you need.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or
>>>>>>>>> Final Cut.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That a lie! No linux version available. Oh and forget running it on
>>>>>>> wine, it's a real slug.
>>>>>>> See system requirements:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> He asked for "advanced video editing" software and yes there are
>>>>>> native
>>>>>> Linux apps to do video editing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/products/product.asp?PID=404&PageID=27
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or
>>>>>>>>> PaintShop
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another lie. There is no linux veriosn of Adobe Photoshop or PSP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He wanted "advanced photo software" and there is that available as
>>>>>> native
>>>>>> Linux apps. Unfortunately, you can't see beyond Windows software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions,
>>>>>>>>> intros
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> etc...) 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world
>>>>>>>>> on MSN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC
>>>>>>>>> and my
>>>>>>>>> Wife's Palm Pilot
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes and certainly more advanced.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon)
>>>>>>>>> ranging
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >from 5 years old to 2 months old
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, with maybe the exception of the Canon as it's got a
>>>>>>>> horrible record
>>>>>>>> supporting Linux. My particular Canon printer works (i850). Others
>>>>>>>> mentioned are very well supported.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4
>>>>>>>>> computers in
>>>>>>>>> my house and allow remote access while away.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all
>>>>>>>>> this with
>>>>>>>>> XP and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See above.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shake Hands With,
>>>>>>>> Mr. Happy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well doris...more lies...unless you run some emulator or wine you
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> run most popular software.
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You really are an idiot, aren't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shake Hands With,
>>>>>> Mr. Happy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, he really is. What's funny is that he thinks he's the coolest
>>>>> thing since sliced bread.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hehehe...so now you're the "boot licking yes man" for doris?
>>>> Fits you very well...lol!
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, he and I are friends. Is that foreign to you? Maybe if you stop
>>> using foul, gutter language, your social life will improve.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh...lol...what kind of "friends" are you two...lol!
>> Wait, I don't want to know.
>> Frank
>
>
> Nothing like what your sick mind imagines. We are both happily married
> to women.
>
> So, how's life in Sweet Virgina? Gotta scrape the sh¡t right off your
> shoes? I used to live in Arlington way back when. For all you know,
> Frank, we've met.
>
> Alias

Don't live in Virginia, never did and I'm sure we never met as I'd never
forget a loser like you.
Frank

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Try selling Gaim to a kid who wants the same emoticons and features as in
WLMessenger so he/she can be like his/her friends.. while it is accepted
that there are equivalents (more or less), they may not fulfil all criteria
of the user..

This makes them neither good or bad, just plain unacceptable..


"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <cquirkenews@nospam.mvps.org> wrote in
message news:7s3593lm6blu71utap726uaufh3n4med6s@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:42:13 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>>Alias wrote:
>>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>>> IAmTheOne wrote:
>
>>> I would add that Gaim will not only support MSN Messenger but Yahoo,
>>> AIM, Jabber, ICQ, Simple, IRC, QQ, GaduGadu, and GroupWise, all with the
>>> same application.
>
>>More lies. Everyone here knows that you can't run most software
>>developed for Windows on linux without an emulator or wine.
>
> I don't think that is what he's saying. What I think he's saying is
> that using Gaim, you can exchange IM with all of those other clients
> (i.e. you don't have to use the native client sware to do so).
>
>
>
>>------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> The most accurate diagnostic instrument
> in medicine is the Retrospectoscope
>>------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:43:47 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:42:13 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mr. Happy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>IAmTheOne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can
>>>>>>I do
>>>>>>with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft,
>>>>>>I am
>>>>>>ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish
>>>>>>what I
>>>>>>need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No, unless you install vmplayer or similar vm. But there are Linux
>>>>>replacements that might do what you need.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>etc...) 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my
>>>>>>Wife's
>>>>>>Palm Pilot
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes and certainly more advanced.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging
>>>>>>from 5 years old to 2 months old
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, with maybe the exception of the Canon as it's got a horrible record
>>>>>supporting Linux. My particular Canon printer works (i850). Others
>>>>>mentioned are very well supported.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4
>>>>>>computers in
>>>>>>my house and allow remote access while away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>XP and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>See above.
>>>>>
>>>>>Shake Hands With,
>>>>>Mr. Happy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I would add that Gaim will not only support MSN Messenger but Yahoo,
>>>>AIM, Jabber, ICQ, Simple, IRC, QQ, GaduGadu, and GroupWise, all with the
>>>>same application.
>>>>
>>>>Alias
>>>
>>>More lies. Everyone here knows that you can't run most software
>>>developed for Windows on linux without an emulator or wine.
>>>So who cares? It's not worth it.
>>>No more lies ok?
>>
>>
>> Actually Frank, Gaim does in fact support every single one of the
>> protocols stated above. I personally use Gaim daily to talk to friends who
>> use MSN, AIM and Yahoo. =)
>>
>
>
> Yeah but don't you see just how ridiculous that is? I'm sure no
> production house with mechanical deadlines to meet is running linux with
> an emulator or wine or whatever so they can run Adobe CS3.
> That just makes no sense whatsoever. I'm sure running on any "enabler"
> really slows things down.
> Look, if linux is your thing that's great. I'm not in the linux ng
> spreading FUD or bs lies.
> I'm not saying you do that but we do have a small handful of linux
> advocates and fanatics who troll this ng spreading FUD, lies and then
> lying about the fact that they do! It also makes them sound very, very
> desperate. Which we know they are.
> They'll never get a break from me in this Vista ng!

Honestly no Frank, I don't see what's ridiculous about me using gaim to
talk to my friends on other networks. It's a native linux application that
supports the protocols of quite a few instant messengers. It does not
require me to have Wine, or the windows clients of said messengers,
installed.

It essentially does the same thing that Trillian does under windows.

Which is great under either OS because it's so much more convenient using
*one* messenger client instead of having 3 different clients installed.

Beyond that though, I do agree that I personally avoid the use of Wine and
just go for native linux equivalents and keep Windows around for the few
things that it is useful for.


--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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[Stephan Rose]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:43:43 +0200, cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)
wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:42:13 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>>Alias wrote:
>>> Mr. Happy wrote:
>>>> IAmTheOne wrote:
>
>>> I would add that Gaim will not only support MSN Messenger but Yahoo,
>>> AIM, Jabber, ICQ, Simple, IRC, QQ, GaduGadu, and GroupWise, all with the
>>> same application.
>
>>More lies. Everyone here knows that you can't run most software
>>developed for Windows on linux without an emulator or wine.
>
> I don't think that is what he's saying. What I think he's saying is
> that using Gaim, you can exchange IM with all of those other clients
> (i.e. you don't have to use the native client sware to do so).

That exactly is the case. =)

--
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2003 Yamaha R6

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[Michael Solomon]

"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
newsan.2007.07.09.19.36.18.134824@zianet.com...
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:24:45 -0600, IAmTheOne wrote:
>
>> OK - Someone tell me, besides web browsing and Open Office, what can I do
>> with Ubuntu.? Since hearing this OS will be the death of microsoft, I am
>> ready to make the switch, just need to make sure It can accomplish what I
>> need.
>>
>> 1. run Microsoft Money or Quicken
>> 2. Allow my children to sync their MP3's to their ipods
>> 3. Run Advanced Video Editing software, such as Sony Vegas or Final Cut.
>> 4. Run Advanced photo software such as Adobe PhotoShop, or PaintShop
>> 5. Handle advanced DVD authoring (custom menus, transitions, intros
>> etc...)
>> 6. allow my kids to IM with the other 98% of the world on MSN
>> 7. Sync my calendar contacts and to do list with My PocketPC and my
>> Wife's
>> Palm Pilot
>> 8. handle desktop publishing similar to PrintShop
>> 9. connect and print to my 5 printers (3 HP, 1 Epson, 1 Cannon) ranging
>> from
>> 5 years old to 2 months old
>> 10. network and share files drives and printers across all 4 computers in
>> my
>> house and allow remote access while away.
>>
>> this is pretty much our day-to day computer usage, I can do all this with
>> XP
>> and Vista, so If I can do all this with Ubuntu too, sign me up.
>
> If you are really interested in getting answers, I suggest you try a Linux
> newsgroup, and perhaps try it without a chip on your shoulder i.e. 'I can
> do all
> this with XP and Vista . . .'

Good suggestion. Also, with financial software, they need to test not only
the software functions or equivalent if they choose a Linux app but, if they
do online banking or work with other online sites, investment sites, etc.
they should also test whether or not their financial institution(s) support
or will otherwise perform all necessary online functions the user requires.

--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

 

[Frank]

Stephan Rose wrote:


>
> Honestly no Frank, I don't see what's ridiculous about me using gaim to
> talk to my friends on other networks.

The op mentioned some seriously heavy weight software...sonic...adobe
photoshop, etc., which is nothing like im'ing friends over the net, right?

Frank