Running a website using Windows Vista

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Hi,

My two cents for your consideration,

Upload matters when you "upload" files to the server but when visitors go to
your web site, they are "downloading" contents from your web server, so
upload means nothing to them.

Hosting a serious web site is not a simple thing, and you have many things
to consider, from bandwidth, security, contents hosting and development
which also involving database if you are going to do some transactions, and
backup solutions for crisis management, just to name a few.

Outsource to a professional and reputable partner gives you at least the
following benefits, for example:

(1) Focus: IT is your tool (unless you are in the industry or hosting
business which then will be a different story) so leave it to professionals
and focus on your core business and achieve the best of it
(2) Sharing cost: If you wish to have the world-class infrastructure by
yourself, you probably need to be a fortune 1000. But SME's can achieve so
by sharing cost with others using outsource partners
(3) Reduce learning costs: Again, if you wish to have everything by
yourself, other than investments, you have to spend tremendous efforts
(transfer to $$$) on learning every piece of hardware, software, tool, and
when upgrades come out and also includes cost of "mistakes" which can be
very minor to anything of a disaster.

Having worked for many years in IT industry and still have many friends and
associates in the industry with abundant resources, the first decision that
I made when started my own business (not in IT industry) is to outsource the
entire IT operation to reputable service partners. Our major partners are
in Europe and customers are in Asia, and we have partners in UK, US, and
Australia helping us for the entire IT operating including E-business and
supply chain management. Among others, one benefit is why I still have time
to visit this and other newsgroups every now and then :)

But before you can outsource to external partners, you need to spend time
and efforts on understanding what exactly do you need and what the outcome
will be like. It's kind of like an architect who designs and knows the
blueprint of a building but outsource construction to external contractors.
Someone has to be the architect even it's a small building.

So I'd suggest you to take advises from those experts posted earlier and I
am just sharing my experience with you but not an expert.

If you for some strategic reasons must own your site, consult with an
external consultant or technical professional and let him/her to be your
architect.

Based on your questions, I assume IT is not your core competency (forgive me
if I am wrong), so you really want to have some real preofessional to assist
you. I do that all the time.

Hope this helps and good luck.




"Jibey Jacob" <JibeyJacob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8FB70544-D332-4561-9B0B-644F89B08E7F@microsoft.com...
> My upload bandwidth, or in other words, what my Web server will be able to
> serve, is between 600 kbps and 700 kbps. Note that those are Kilo
> Bits/second, not Kilo Bytes/second.
>
> Is this adequate for running a Web site that has 40,000 visitors per
> month?
>
> Thanks.
>
> "Techno Mage" wrote:
>
>> 10 for XP
>> Vista lets you set the limit, yourself.
>> It works just fine, for me.
>>
>> "Tom Willett" wrote:
>>
>> > Vista supports 10 simultaneous connections, and one visitor could use
>> > several at one time. With 40,000 visitors per month, you're not going
>> > to
>> > have any luck.
>> >
>> > "Jibey Jacob" <JibeyJacob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:EEB9BE30-55AB-4416-9DD9-6E3033B9FEA9@microsoft.com...
>> > | Hi:
>> > |
>> > | Is it possible to run an ASP.NET 2.0 Web application on Windows Vista
>> > | Ultimate 32-bit using its built in IIS? Of course, the website would
>> > be on
>> > | the Internet. I don't expect many visitors to my site - atmost around
>> > 40000
>> > | visitors per month. Will I face any inherent scalability limitations
>> > in
>> > Vista
>> > | that would prevent me from doing this?
>> > |
>> > | Thanks.
>> > |
>> >
>> >
>> >
 
M

Mr. Happy

Jibey Jacob wrote:

> OK, I get it. All of this was just people with MORE experience sounding
> off.
>

Actually, no. Those sounding off - in the main - aren't capable of setting
up and maintaining a web server. That's why they suggested you
seek "professional" help. :)

I do have to agree. The bandwidth you can provide doesn't look adequate. Of
course, the content you'll be providing has alot of bearing on the
bandwidth you'll require. If you're sending off simple web pages, you won't
need nearly the bandwidth you'll need if your visitors are doing heavy
downloads, like video.

Your best bet, if you want to administer the system yourself is to co-locate
a server at an ISP that can offer you the bandwidth you're going to
require. Or, alternatively, rent server space that ensures your website
isn't going to be stuck on a server with another 1000 other websites.
Consider going with a LAMP server that gives you full ssh access into the
box, with root privileges. Consider what you'll be offering. If it's
ecommerce, then depending on the backend driving it all, server
requirements will vary. Considering you're looking at 40,000 visitors a
month, you'll need to ascertain your market. For example, who will be
attracted to your website? Are those visitors going to be split over 24
hours, or is your focus such that only a smaller locale will be visiting,
meaning they'll be hitting your site over the course of 8 hours and across
only a couple time zones for example. You're going to have to get your
ducks in a line before you can start shopping for the kind and type of
hosting you'll require.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy
 
A

Adam Albright

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:51:44 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:

>Jibey Jacob wrote:
>
>> OK, I get it. All of this was just people with MORE experience sounding off.

>
>Hey...now you get it!
>Frank


Is Frank now going to pretend he has lots of experience? Lets wait and
see, should be funny.
 
F

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:51:44 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>
>
>>Jibey Jacob wrote:
>>
>>
>>>OK, I get it. All of this was just people with MORE experience sounding off.

>>
>>Hey...now you get it!
>>Frank

>
>
> Is Frank now going to pretend he has lots of experience? Lets wait and
> see, should be funny.
>


How many webservers are you running there mr lush?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Maybe you should sober up before making a complete fool out of yourself.
But then again, you're the "expert" aren't you?
Frank
 
A

Adam Albright

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:24:54 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:51:44 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Jibey Jacob wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>OK, I get it. All of this was just people with MORE experience sounding off.
>>>
>>>Hey...now you get it!
>>>Frank

>>
>>
>> Is Frank now going to pretend he has lots of experience? Lets wait and
>> see, should be funny.
>>

>
>How many webservers are you running there mr lush?
>Inquiring minds want to know.
>Maybe you should sober up before making a complete fool out of yourself.
>But then again, you're the "expert" aren't you?
>Frank



When you develop an inquiring mind, I'll let you know.
 
M

Mr. Arnold

"Mr. Happy" <mrhappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1184203253.599362@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
> Jibey Jacob wrote:
>
>> OK, I get it. All of this was just people with MORE experience sounding
>> off.
>>

> Actually, no. Those sounding off - in the main - aren't capable of setting
> up and maintaining a web server. That's why they suggested you
> seek "professional" help. :)


And neither does the OP.

I have been doing this since 1971 in IT as a full time employee and as
consultant from the big iron horse mainframes using CICS to providing .NET
Web solutions on the MS platform for clients. I have been programming since
1980 and have worked with MS platform and solutions since 1996.

What do you do when a Web server has a denial of service attack being ran
against it? How do you leave port 80 open to customers but stop those that
are running a heavy Dos attack against the Web Server?

How do you go about looking at things on the Web server as far as the O/S,
processes that are running, etc, etc to know in fact that the Web server has
not been compromised?

What services and programs must be shutdown or removed from the machine for
a NT based O/S that's running a Web Server, so that the attack vector is
reduced?

How do you stop Cross Site Scripting CSS for Web application so that attacks
cannot be ran against other user that may visit the site?

How do you stop a user that's changing data in the URL on a Postback that
can allow a user to compromise a Web application?

How to you prevent the user from entering data into a HTML input field that
can allow the user to start issuing commands to the O/S?

You are giving bad advice if you're telling this person that he knows how to
put up a Web server solution, maintain the solution, knows how to go look at
certain aspects to ascertain that his site has not been compromised, and
what to do if it has been compromised.

If this person knows how to do the right thing in protecting his business,
then he will bring in a professional or professionals to guide him and NOT
throw-up some turkey hack bait site, that could lead to his business being
compromised.
 
M

Michael Price

Everyone else will sound off on whether or not this is the right thing to do
or not. I will let them have at you.

As for the version I think you should use is the Internet Server version of
Server 2003. It is probably less money than SBS.



"Jibey Jacob" <JibeyJacob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6C969F2B-BE33-4AE3-A228-232B94703B8B@microsoft.com...
> Thanks.
>
> Would you know how many connections Microsoft Small Business Server 2003
> supports? Would it be adequate for my 40000 visitors per month
> requirement?
>
>
> "Tom Willett" wrote:
>
>> Vista supports 10 simultaneous connections, and one visitor could use
>> several at one time. With 40,000 visitors per month, you're not going to
>> have any luck.
>>
>> "Jibey Jacob" <JibeyJacob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:EEB9BE30-55AB-4416-9DD9-6E3033B9FEA9@microsoft.com...
>> | Hi:
>> |
>> | Is it possible to run an ASP.NET 2.0 Web application on Windows Vista
>> | Ultimate 32-bit using its built in IIS? Of course, the website would be
>> on
>> | the Internet. I don't expect many visitors to my site - atmost around
>> 40000
>> | visitors per month. Will I face any inherent scalability limitations in
>> Vista
>> | that would prevent me from doing this?
>> |
>> | Thanks.
>> |
>>
>>
>>
 
F

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:24:54 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>
>
>>Adam Albright wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:51:44 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jibey Jacob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>OK, I get it. All of this was just people with MORE experience sounding off.
>>>>
>>>>Hey...now you get it!
>>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>Is Frank now going to pretend he has lots of experience? Lets wait and
>>>see, should be funny.
>>>

>>
>>How many webservers are you running there mr lush?
>>Inquiring minds want to know.
>>Maybe you should sober up before making a complete fool out of yourself.
>>But then again, you're the "expert" aren't you?
>>Frank

>
>
>
> When you develop an inquiring mind, I'll let you know.
>


hahaha...none huh? Just what I thought.
mr lush expert...lol!
Frank
 
F

Frank

Mr. Arnold wrote:

>
> "Mr. Happy" <mrhappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1184203253.599362@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
>
>> Jibey Jacob wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I get it. All of this was just people with MORE experience sounding
>>> off.
>>>

>> Actually, no. Those sounding off - in the main - aren't capable of
>> setting
>> up and maintaining a web server. That's why they suggested you
>> seek "professional" help. :)

>
>
> And neither does the OP.
>
> I have been doing this since 1971 in IT as a full time employee and as
> consultant from the big iron horse mainframes using CICS to providing
> .NET Web solutions on the MS platform for clients. I have been
> programming since 1980 and have worked with MS platform and solutions
> since 1996.
>
> What do you do when a Web server has a denial of service attack being
> ran against it? How do you leave port 80 open to customers but stop
> those that are running a heavy Dos attack against the Web Server?
>
> How do you go about looking at things on the Web server as far as the
> O/S, processes that are running, etc, etc to know in fact that the Web
> server has not been compromised?
>
> What services and programs must be shutdown or removed from the machine
> for a NT based O/S that's running a Web Server, so that the attack
> vector is reduced?
>
> How do you stop Cross Site Scripting CSS for Web application so that
> attacks cannot be ran against other user that may visit the site?
>
> How do you stop a user that's changing data in the URL on a Postback
> that can allow a user to compromise a Web application?
>
> How to you prevent the user from entering data into a HTML input field
> that can allow the user to start issuing commands to the O/S?
>
> You are giving bad advice if you're telling this person that he knows
> how to put up a Web server solution, maintain the solution, knows how to
> go look at certain aspects to ascertain that his site has not been
> compromised, and what to do if it has been compromised.
>
> If this person knows how to do the right thing in protecting his
> business, then he will bring in a professional or professionals to guide
> him and NOT throw-up some turkey hack bait site, that could lead to his
> business being compromised.
>
>
>
>

Obviously good expert advice.
mr happy, aka doris day is an ms hating, unemployed linux loser troll.
He hates everyone...except other linux loser trolls.
Oh yeah, and he's an "expert" on everything...just ask him.
Frank
 
M

Mr. Arnold


> mr happy, aka doris day is an ms hating, unemployed linux loser troll.
> He hates everyone...except other linux loser trolls.
> Oh yeah, and he's an "expert" on everything...just ask him.
> Frank


That's Doris Day? That lunatic hit the trash bin after two days of watching
its nonsense in a MS NG. It's of no interest to me -- none.

Now, it has shape shifted to another posting name.
 
F

Frank

Mr. Arnold wrote:

>
>> mr happy, aka doris day is an ms hating, unemployed linux loser troll.
>> He hates everyone...except other linux loser trolls.
>> Oh yeah, and he's an "expert" on everything...just ask him.
>> Frank

>
>
> That's Doris Day? That lunatic hit the trash bin after two days of
> watching its nonsense in a MS NG. It's of no interest to me -- none.
>
> Now, it has shape shifted to another posting name.
>
>

Yep, 'shake hands (OMG!) with mr happy".
He/she/it must of gotten laid (eeks!) :)
Frank
 

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