Support for AVG Free after August 2008

Bill in Co. · Oct 1, 2007

PCR wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>> Have you tried AVG, PCR? I tried Avast after AntiVir and was
>> disappointed with it. I was so pleased with the low overhead CPU
>> cost of AVG and how it removes registry entries when the program is
>> removed. I hated all the auto-scanning defaults of Avast. What do
>> you think?
>
> Well, I am overall pleased with avast!, as I wrote earlier. I did have
> occasion to uninstall avast! briefly, & it did very well. It may have
> left one/two empty Registry key(s) behind that were easy to delete &
> perhaps one empty folder on the HDD. Also, it did not undo a tweak I had
> myself done (possibly on Stapley's urging) believing it provided a
> better avast! WEB Shield. But that was easily manually undone. After
> that, I did reinstall avast! & am overall very pleased.
>
> Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?
>
> For instance, I can R-Clk "WMP_v.7.1.exe" in Explorer, chose to scan it
> with avast!-- & shortly I will discover 856 files of 42.2 MB were
> scanned & are virus-free!

I couldn't even use the later version of AVG Free (7.5), so I went back to
an older one. Version 7.5 wouldn't allow me to finish booting up! It
would lock up the computer as windows finished booting up. But I am
content with the somewhat older version (7), as it does not hang up my
computer, and is pretty lightweight, even though admitedly it's a bit out of
date.

I'd consider Avast, but the idea of being forced to register it each year -
sucks. And I gather it's not as light on the system as AVG Free is.
And I really appreciate the lightweight apps.

PCR · Oct 1, 2007

Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
|> Dan wrote:
|>> Have you tried AVG, PCR? I tried Avast after AntiVir and was
|>> disappointed with it. I was so pleased with the low overhead CPU
|>> cost of AVG and how it removes registry entries when the program is
|>> removed. I hated all the auto-scanning defaults of Avast. What do
|>> you think?
|>
|> Well, I am overall pleased with avast!, as I wrote earlier. I did
|> have occasion to uninstall avast! briefly, & it did very well. It
|> may have left one/two empty Registry key(s) behind that were easy to
|> delete & perhaps one empty folder on the HDD. Also, it did not undo
|> a tweak I had myself done (possibly on Stapley's urging) believing
|> it provided a better avast! WEB Shield. But that was easily manually
|> undone. After that, I did reinstall avast! & am overall very pleased.
|>
|> Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?
|>
|> For instance, I can R-Clk "WMP_v.7.1.exe" in Explorer, chose to scan
|> it with avast!-- & shortly I will discover 856 files of 42.2 MB were
|> scanned & are virus-free!
|
| I couldn't even use the later version of AVG Free (7.5), so I went
| back to an older one. Version 7.5 wouldn't allow me to finish
| booting up! It would lock up the computer as windows finished
| booting up. But I am content with the somewhat older version (7),
| as it does not hang up my computer, and is pretty lightweight, even
| though admitedly it's a bit out of date.
|
| I'd consider Avast, but the idea of being forced to register it each
| year - sucks. And I gather it's not as light on the system as AVG
| Free is.
| And I really appreciate the lightweight apps.

Well, I tracked avast! during the install using InCtlr5...

Keys added: 170
Values added: 196
Values changed: 39
Folders added: 19
Files added: 199
Files changed: 17

That's actually a LOT less Registry usage than McAfee used, but perhaps
more files. But avast! does not slow down Explorer & other apps like
McAfee did when I had its Auto-System scan running. And I have avast!'s
On-Access setting on High!

It was painless enough to register it.

pixturesk@gmail.com · Oct 1, 2007

On Oct 1, 4:48 pm, "Bill in Co." <not_really_h...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> PCR wrote:
> > Dan wrote:
> >> Have you tried AVG, PCR? I tried Avast after AntiVir and was
> >> disappointed with it. I was so pleased with the low overhead CPU
> >> cost of AVG and how it removes registry entries when the program is
> >> removed. I hated all the auto-scanning defaults of Avast. What do
> >> you think?
>
> > Well, I am overall pleased with avast!, as I wrote earlier. I did have
> > occasion to uninstall avast! briefly, & it did very well. It may have
> > left one/two empty Registry key(s) behind that were easy to delete &
> > perhaps one empty folder on the HDD. Also, it did not undo a tweak I had
> > myself done (possibly on Stapley's urging) believing it provided a
> > better avast! WEB Shield. But that was easily manually undone. After
> > that, I did reinstall avast! & am overall very pleased.
>
> > Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?
>
> > For instance, I can R-Clk "WMP_v.7.1.exe" in Explorer, chose to scan it
> > with avast!-- & shortly I will discover 856 files of 42.2 MB were
> > scanned & are virus-free!
>
> I couldn't even use the later version of AVG Free (7.5), so I went back to
> an older one. Version 7.5 wouldn't allow me to finish booting up! It
> would lock up the computer as windows finished booting up. But I am
> content with the somewhat older version (7), as it does not hang up my
> computer, and is pretty lightweight, even though admitedly it's a bit out of
> date.
>
> I'd consider Avast, but the idea of being forced to register it each year -
> sucks. And I gather it's not as light on the system as AVG Free is.
> And I really appreciate the lightweight apps.

Bill in CO. Since Avast is the only free fully featured (some minor
functions will not work in 98SE) anti virus that will continue to
support Win98SE for the foreseeable future I was not hesitant in the
slightest to use it, I like 98SE, want to continue using it without
having, without choice to upgrade to Win XP. I say thanks to Alwil
Software for giving us Avast free of charge. Having to re-register
each year is not even worth mentioning.

MEB · Oct 2, 2007

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
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| Dan wrote:
| | Have you tried AVG, PCR? I tried Avast after AntiVir and was
| | disappointed with it. I was so pleased with the low overhead CPU
| | cost of AVG and how it removes registry entries when the program is
| | removed. I hated all the auto-scanning defaults of Avast. What do
| | you think?
|
| Well, I am overall pleased with avast!, as I wrote earlier. I did have
| occasion to uninstall avast! briefly, & it did very well. It may have
| left one/two empty Registry key(s) behind that were easy to delete &
| perhaps one empty folder on the HDD. Also, it did not undo a tweak I had
| myself done (possibly on Stapley's urging) believing it provided a
| better avast! WEB Shield. But that was easily manually undone. After
| that, I did reinstall avast! & am overall very pleased.
|
| Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?

Yes, it will scan those files. I presently have five files in the vault
[which I use for testing, one is a false positive {stub}, two are trojans
(one downloader), two worms] three different types of executables [zip, rar,
WI] and two zips. AVG has two settings - all files or file extensions
configured to scan.

Sorry to see it go, perhaps I'll check on the site and see why ....

|
| For instance, I can R-Clk "WMP_v.7.1.exe" in Explorer, chose to scan it
| with avast!-- & shortly I will discover 856 files of 42.2 MB were
| scanned & are virus-free!
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net
|

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

PCR · Oct 2, 2007

MEB wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| Dan wrote:
|| | Have you tried AVG, PCR? I tried Avast after AntiVir and was
|| | disappointed with it. I was so pleased with the low overhead CPU
|| | cost of AVG and how it removes registry entries when the program is
|| | removed. I hated all the auto-scanning defaults of Avast. What do
|| | you think?
||
|| Well, I am overall pleased with avast!, as I wrote earlier. I did
|| have occasion to uninstall avast! briefly, & it did very well. It
|| may have left one/two empty Registry key(s) behind that were easy to
|| delete & perhaps one empty folder on the HDD. Also, it did not undo
|| a tweak I had myself done (possibly on Stapley's urging) believing
|| it provided a better avast! WEB Shield. But that was easily manually
|| undone. After that, I did reinstall avast! & am overall very pleased.
||
|| Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?
|
| Yes, it will scan those files. I presently have five files in the
| vault [which I use for testing, one is a false positive {stub}, two
| are trojans (one downloader), two worms] three different types of
| executables [zip, rar, WI] and two zips. AVG has two settings - all
| files or file extensions configured to scan.

I think there are three...

........Quote an avast! help screen........
SETTING THE SENSITIVITY

After you select the area to scan, a bar with a slider appears. Moving
the slider, you specify the scanner sensitivity. There are three levels:

1. Quick Scan.
Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their
extension. It means that the files with extensions EXE, SCR, COM, DOC,
etc. are scanned. Within the file, avast! looks only for those viruses
that infect the corresponding type of file. It means that macroviruses
are not searched for in EXE files etc.

2. Standard Scan.
Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their
content. The file extension is ignored. Again, only the viruses
corresponding to the particular file type are searched for.

3. Thorough Scan. All files are tested, against all viruses.
.......EOQ...............................................

Usually, I do the Standard. I'm not sure -- but probably -- that setting
will hold when using avast!'s Explorer interface to do the scan, instead
of the main avast! interface.

| Sorry to see it go, perhaps I'll check on the site and see why ....

What has gone?

||
|| For instance, I can R-Clk "WMP_v.7.1.exe" in Explorer, chose to scan
|| it with avast!-- & shortly I will discover 856 files of 42.2 MB were
|| scanned & are virus-free!
||
||
|| --
|| Thanks or Good Luck,
|| There may be humor in this post, and,
|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
|| pcrrcp@netzero.net
||
|
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| ________

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

MEB · Oct 3, 2007

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
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| MEB wrote:
| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

{deleted materials}

| || Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?
| |
| | Yes, it will scan those files. I presently have five files in the
| | vault [which I use for testing, one is a false positive {stub}, two
| | are trojans (one downloader), two worms] three different types of
| | executables [zip, rar, WI] and two zips. AVG has two settings - all
| | files or file extensions configured to scan.
|
| I think there are three...
|
| .......Quote an avast! help screen........
| SETTING THE SENSITIVITY
|
| After you select the area to scan, a bar with a slider appears. Moving
| the slider, you specify the scanner sensitivity. There are three levels:
|
| 1. Quick Scan.
| Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their
| extension. It means that the files with extensions EXE, SCR, COM, DOC,
| etc. are scanned. Within the file, avast! looks only for those viruses
| that infect the corresponding type of file. It means that macroviruses
| are not searched for in EXE files etc.
|
| 2. Standard Scan.
| Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their
| content. The file extension is ignored. Again, only the viruses
| corresponding to the particular file type are searched for.
|
| 3. Thorough Scan. All files are tested, against all viruses.
| ......EOQ...............................................
|
| Usually, I do the Standard. I'm not sure -- but probably -- that setting
| will hold when using avast!'s Explorer interface to do the scan, instead
| of the main avast! interface.

Right, remember that from my short test of the prog,,, er, wait, are you
referring to the right click or autoscan settings?

AVG allows three separate areas/searches [did Avast?] :
system areas [which you can define], selected areas, or complete with
various settings for each of those..

|
| | Sorry to see it go, perhaps I'll check on the site and see why ....
|
| What has gone?

ah, should have said next year, but still if that support is withdrawn ...
anyway, I've used it for quite a few years ... I was somewhat discouraged
with the errors in Avast when I tested it and as previously noted, just went
back..

|
| || --
| || PCR
| || pcrrcp@netzero.net
| ||
| |
| | --
| | MEB
| | ________
|
| --
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net
|

--
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http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

|

PCR · Oct 3, 2007

MEB wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| MEB wrote:
|| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|
| {deleted materials}
|
|| || Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?
|| |
|| | Yes, it will scan those files. I presently have five files in the
|| | vault [which I use for testing, one is a false positive {stub}, two
|| | are trojans (one downloader), two worms] three different types of
|| | executables [zip, rar, WI] and two zips. AVG has two settings - all
|| | files or file extensions configured to scan.
||
|| I think there are three...
||
|| .......Quote an avast! help screen........
|| SETTING THE SENSITIVITY
||
|| After you select the area to scan, a bar with a slider appears.
|| Moving the slider, you specify the scanner sensitivity. There are
|| three levels:
||
|| 1. Quick Scan.
|| Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their
|| extension. It means that the files with extensions EXE, SCR, COM,
|| DOC, etc. are scanned. Within the file, avast! looks only for those
|| viruses that infect the corresponding type of file. It means that
|| macroviruses are not searched for in EXE files etc.
||
|| 2. Standard Scan.
|| Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their
|| content. The file extension is ignored. Again, only the viruses
|| corresponding to the particular file type are searched for.
||
|| 3. Thorough Scan. All files are tested, against all viruses.
|| ......EOQ...............................................
||
|| Usually, I do the Standard. I'm not sure -- but probably -- that
|| setting will hold when using avast!'s Explorer interface to do the
|| scan, instead of the main avast! interface.
|
|
| Right, remember that from my short test of the prog,,, er, wait, are
| you referring to the right click or autoscan settings?
|
| AVG allows three separate areas/searches [did Avast?] :
| system areas [which you can define], selected areas, or complete with
| various settings for each of those..

Oops! Sorry, I think I got confused. Those were avast! sensitivity
options I posted-- I know little of AVG. OK, I'm glad to see AVG also
will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete for
Win98, if I understand this thread that much.

But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see? Also,
will it go into the USA8's, such as "311561usa8.exe"? Avast! has trouble
with those particular ones. It declares them be virus free, but counts
them as only one file apiece-- whereas it counts "WMP_v.7.1.exe" to be
the 856 files that are inside it.

||
|| | Sorry to see it go, perhaps I'll check on the site and see why
|| | ....
||
|| What has gone?
|
| ah, should have said next year, but still if that support is
| withdrawn ... anyway, I've used it for quite a few years ... I was
| somewhat discouraged with the errors in Avast when I tested it and as
| previously noted, just went back..
|
||
|| || --
|| || PCR
|| || pcrrcp@netzero.net
|| ||
|| |
|| | --
|| | MEB
|| | ________
||
|| --
|| PCR
|| pcrrcp@netzero.net
||
|
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| ________

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

MEB · Oct 3, 2007

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
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| MEB wrote:
| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| || MEB wrote:
| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| |
| | {deleted materials}
| |
| || || Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?
| || |
| || | Yes, it will scan those files. I presently have five files in the
| || | vault [which I use for testing, one is a false positive {stub}, two
| || | are trojans (one downloader), two worms] three different types of
| || | executables [zip, rar, WI] and two zips. AVG has two settings - all
| || | files or file extensions configured to scan.
| ||
| || I think there are three...
| ||
| || .......Quote an avast! help screen........
| || SETTING THE SENSITIVITY
| ||
| || After you select the area to scan, a bar with a slider appears.
| || Moving the slider, you specify the scanner sensitivity. There are
| || three levels:
| ||
| || 1. Quick Scan.
| || Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their
| || extension. It means that the files with extensions EXE, SCR, COM,
| || DOC, etc. are scanned. Within the file, avast! looks only for those
| || viruses that infect the corresponding type of file. It means that
| || macroviruses are not searched for in EXE files etc.
| ||
| || 2. Standard Scan.
| || Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their
| || content. The file extension is ignored. Again, only the viruses
| || corresponding to the particular file type are searched for.
| ||
| || 3. Thorough Scan. All files are tested, against all viruses.
| || ......EOQ...............................................
| ||
| || Usually, I do the Standard. I'm not sure -- but probably -- that
| || setting will hold when using avast!'s Explorer interface to do the
| || scan, instead of the main avast! interface.
| |
| |
| | Right, remember that from my short test of the prog,,, er, wait, are
| | you referring to the right click or autoscan settings?
| |
| | AVG allows three separate areas/searches [did Avast?] :
| | system areas [which you can define], selected areas, or complete with
| | various settings for each of those..
|
| Oops! Sorry, I think I got confused. Those were avast! sensitivity
| options I posted-- I know little of AVG.

Well that's close to what AVG is doing, just different settings/controls.

| OK, I'm glad to see AVG also
| will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete for
| Win98, if I understand this thread that much.
|
| But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?

Well, I checked for that file when you and others were discussing it
previously, and just checked again with the couple dozen storage CDs I
presently have out, but to no avail. Of course it could be on one of the
several dozen game CDs also out, but ...

| Also,
| will it go into the USA8's, such as "311561usa8.exe"? Avast! has trouble
| with those particular ones. It declares them be virus free, but counts
| them as only one file apiece-- whereas it counts "WMP_v.7.1.exe" to be
| the 856 files that are inside it.

AVG scans the system files first [default - 66 files] and includes them in
its output, deduct that from the shown counts:

311561usa8.exe
scanned 79

jet40sp8_9xnt.exe
scanned 101

291362usa8.exe
scanned 81

How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]
setupeng.exe
scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see that the
setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its designed more for XP and
above]

avg75free_472a1024.exe [rarSFX]
scanned 74

Dreamweaver dwmx2004_701update_en.exe [install shield]
scanned 77

Don't have the v7.1 player exe but
wmp7.exe
scanned 563 [scanned compressed files within files]

WindowsXP-KB838079-SupportTools-ENU.exe
scanned 184

NT Resource Kit
scanned 318

And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment package
scanned 101

Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file, others are
scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few for me] or creation ...
though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have false positives or miss
something new [though it generally is picked up in a day or so] but since I
have used AV progs such as Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan,
Ontrack ViruScan, McAfee, and a number of others though the *days* that's
really not unexpected..

Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and VISTA they
need to completely use the new installer environment rather than the cross
platform used in AVAST's installer.

|
| ||
| || | Sorry to see it go, perhaps I'll check on the site and see why
| || | ....
| ||
| || What has gone?
| |
| | ah, should have said next year, but still if that support is
| | withdrawn ... anyway, I've used it for quite a few years ... I was
| | somewhat discouraged with the errors in Avast when I tested it and as
| | previously noted, just went back..
| |
| ||
| || || --
| || || PCR
| || | --
| || | MEB
| || | ________
| || --
| || PCR
| | --
| | MEB
| | ________
| --
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

Dan · Oct 4, 2007

In AVG antivirus you also have the choice between standard scan and complete
scan and I change the options so I can have AVG perform a complete scan that
takes a while to accomplish. I convinced my dad, Ivan to switch to AVG from
Symantec antivirus and he is much happier now. My dad Ivan also likes all
the things you can do with Mozilla Firefox especially ad blocking and that
helps prevent adware.

PCR · Oct 4, 2007

MEB wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|| MEB wrote:
|| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| || MEB wrote:
|| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| |
|| | {deleted materials}
|| |
|| || || Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?
|| || |
|| || | Yes, it will scan those files. I presently have five files in
|| || | the vault [which I use for testing, one is a false positive
|| || | {stub}, two are trojans (one downloader), two worms] three
|| || | different types of executables [zip, rar, WI] and two zips. AVG
|| || | has two settings - all files or file extensions configured to
|| || | scan.
|| ||
|| || I think there are three...
|| ||
|| || .......Quote an avast! help screen........
|| || SETTING THE SENSITIVITY
|| ||
|| || After you select the area to scan, a bar with a slider appears.
|| || Moving the slider, you specify the scanner sensitivity. There are
|| || three levels:
|| ||
|| || 1. Quick Scan.
|| || Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to
|| || their extension. It means that the files with extensions EXE,
|| || SCR, COM, DOC, etc. are scanned. Within the file, avast! looks
|| || only for those viruses that infect the corresponding type of
|| || file. It means that macroviruses are not searched for in EXE
|| || files etc.
|| ||
|| || 2. Standard Scan.
|| || Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to
|| || their content. The file extension is ignored. Again, only the
|| || viruses corresponding to the particular file type are searched
|| || for.
|| ||
|| || 3. Thorough Scan. All files are tested, against all viruses.
|| || ......EOQ...............................................
|| ||
|| || Usually, I do the Standard. I'm not sure -- but probably -- that
|| || setting will hold when using avast!'s Explorer interface to do the
|| || scan, instead of the main avast! interface.
|| |
|| |
|| | Right, remember that from my short test of the prog,,, er, wait,
|| | are you referring to the right click or autoscan settings?
|| |
|| | AVG allows three separate areas/searches [did Avast?] :
|| | system areas [which you can define], selected areas, or complete
|| | with various settings for each of those..
||
|| Oops! Sorry, I think I got confused. Those were avast! sensitivity
|| options I posted-- I know little of AVG.
|
| Well that's close to what AVG is doing, just different
| settings/controls.

OK.

|| OK, I'm glad to see AVG also
|| will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete for
|| Win98, if I understand this thread that much.
||
|| But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?
|
| Well, I checked for that file when you and others were discussing it
| previously, and just checked again with the couple dozen storage CDs I
| presently have out, but to no avail. Of course it could be on one of
| the several dozen game CDs also out, but ...

Mine is in "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual", & I believe
it has to do with Acrobat Reader. WinZip shows it to have 83 files
inside.

|| Also,
|| will it go into the USA8's, such as "311561usa8.exe"? Avast! has
|| trouble with those particular ones. It declares them be virus free,
|| but counts them as only one file apiece-- whereas it counts
|| "WMP_v.7.1.exe" to be the 856 files that are inside it.
|
| AVG scans the system files first [default - 66 files] and includes
| them in its output, deduct that from the shown counts:
|
| 311561usa8.exe
| scanned 79

79-66=13, which is the number of files WinZip sees in there. AVG has
outdone avast! on that one. Of course, one hopes avast! would scan them
all were I to click 311561usa8.exe to have it do its install-- that
would be the On-Access scanner doing it then.

| jet40sp8_9xnt.exe
| scanned 101

I don't have that file, although I do see a MSJET40.DLL.

| 291362usa8.exe
| scanned 81

I've got a dozen USA8's, but not that one. Avast! won't get into any of
mine, anyhow, & counts them all as one file-- when R-Clkd & scanned (I
said). I can extract the files with WinZip & scan the folder, but that's
a bit much to do!

| How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]
| setupeng.exe
| scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see that
| the setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its designed more
| for XP and above]

Mysteriously, avast! counts that one as two virus-free files. WinZip
will not open it for me to count how many are actually inside. However,
InCtrl5 reported the following after its install...

Folders added: 19
Files added: 199

| avg75free_472a1024.exe [rarSFX]
| scanned 74

Don't have it.

| Dreamweaver dwmx2004_701update_en.exe [install shield]
| scanned 77

Don't have it.

| Don't have the v7.1 player exe but
| wmp7.exe
| scanned 563 [scanned compressed files within files]

That seems about right.

| WindowsXP-KB838079-SupportTools-ENU.exe
| scanned 184

XP? I know for sure I don't have it!

| NT Resource Kit
| scanned 318

I don't have it.

| And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment package
| scanned 101

Very good. Too bad AVG is going obsolete for Win98 like McAfee did, if I
understand that correctly. I have only one .rar...

Uniextract15_noinst.rar
Avast! reports it has 210 virus-free files inside of 21.0 MB.
WinZip won't open it for me to verify that number.

Avast! works fine with all .zip & .cab files I've tried too.

| Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file, others
| are scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few for me] or
| creation

Absolutely. One hopes On-Access will catch any virus inside these
self-extractables during the install process. Mine is set to scan on
both open & create.

Otherwise, AVG seems to do a better job than avast! will with certain of
them. Of course, I haven't counted the number of self-extractables that
avast! does scan well. I do have one that WinZip shows to contain 15
files-- but avast! will count only 13 during its scan! If I extract all
15 with WinZip, avast! will then scan & count them all!

STILL, overall, I am very pleased with avast!, which now is updated to
avast! 4.7 Home Edition, Build 4.7.1043.

| ... though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have
| false positives or miss something new [though it generally is picked
| up in a day or so] but since I have used AV progs such as
| Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan, Ontrack ViruScan, McAfee,
| and a number of others though the *days* that's really not
| unexpected..

I never had a false positive (or any positive) with McAfee. Avast! did
come up with one false positive (of a file inside a self-extractable)--
but I've put it into avast!'s exclude list now. It did show that avast!
worked fairly nicely putting the thing in/out of quarantine. HOWEVER,
when taken out, the file date did change from its original. (Damn!)

| Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and VISTA
| they need to completely use the new installer environment rather than
| the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.

That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!

||
|| ||
|| || | Sorry to see it go, perhaps I'll check on the site and see why
|| || | ....
|| ||
|| || What has gone?
|| |
|| | ah, should have said next year, but still if that support is
|| | withdrawn ... anyway, I've used it for quite a few years ... I was
|| | somewhat discouraged with the errors in Avast when I tested it and
|| | as previously noted, just went back..
|| |
|| ||
|| || || --
|| || || PCR
|| || | --
|| || | MEB
|| || | ________
|| || --
|| || PCR
|| | --
|| | MEB
|| | ________
|| --
|| PCR
|| pcrrcp@netzero.net
||
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| ________

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PCR · Oct 4, 2007

Dan wrote:
| In AVG antivirus you also have the choice between standard scan and
| complete scan and I change the options so I can have AVG perform a
| complete scan that takes a while to accomplish. I convinced my dad,
| Ivan to switch to AVG from Symantec antivirus and he is much happier
| now. My dad Ivan also likes all the things you can do with Mozilla
| Firefox especially ad blocking and that helps prevent adware.

AVG seems to be a viable alternative to avast! (& may even out-perform
it with self-extractable .exe's)-- but isn't it about to become obsolete
or XP/Vista-irradiated?

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

MEB · Oct 5, 2007

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
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| MEB wrote:
| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| | news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| || MEB wrote:
| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| || || MEB wrote:
| || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| || |
| || | {deleted materials}
| || |
| || || || Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?
| || || |
| || || | Yes, it will scan those files. I presently have five files in
| || || | the vault [which I use for testing, one is a false positive
| || || | {stub}, two are trojans (one downloader), two worms] three
| || || | different types of executables [zip, rar, WI] and two zips. AVG
| || || | has two settings - all files or file extensions configured to
| || || | scan.
| || ||
| || || I think there are three...
| || ||
| || || .......Quote an avast! help screen........
| || || SETTING THE SENSITIVITY
| || ||
| || || After you select the area to scan, a bar with a slider appears.
| || || Moving the slider, you specify the scanner sensitivity. There are
| || || three levels:
| || ||
| || || 1. Quick Scan.
| || || Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to
| || || their extension. It means that the files with extensions EXE,
| || || SCR, COM, DOC, etc. are scanned. Within the file, avast! looks
| || || only for those viruses that infect the corresponding type of
| || || file. It means that macroviruses are not searched for in EXE
| || || files etc.
| || ||
| || || 2. Standard Scan.
| || || Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to
| || || their content. The file extension is ignored. Again, only the
| || || viruses corresponding to the particular file type are searched
| || || for.
| || ||
| || || 3. Thorough Scan. All files are tested, against all viruses.
| || || ......EOQ...............................................
| || ||
| || || Usually, I do the Standard. I'm not sure -- but probably -- that
| || || setting will hold when using avast!'s Explorer interface to do the
| || || scan, instead of the main avast! interface.
| || |
| || |
| || | Right, remember that from my short test of the prog,,, er, wait,
| || | are you referring to the right click or autoscan settings?
| || |
| || | AVG allows three separate areas/searches [did Avast?] :
| || | system areas [which you can define], selected areas, or complete
| || | with various settings for each of those..
| ||
| || Oops! Sorry, I think I got confused. Those were avast! sensitivity
| || options I posted-- I know little of AVG.
| |
| | Well that's close to what AVG is doing, just different
| | settings/controls.
|
| OK.
|
| || OK, I'm glad to see AVG also
| || will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete for
| || Win98, if I understand this thread that much.
| ||
| || But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?
| |
| | Well, I checked for that file when you and others were discussing it
| | previously, and just checked again with the couple dozen storage CDs I
| | presently have out, but to no avail. Of course it could be on one of
| | the several dozen game CDs also out, but ...
|
| Mine is in "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual", & I believe
| it has to do with Acrobat Reader. WinZip shows it to have 83 files
| inside.

Okay, what version of Works? I have several.

|
| || Also,
| || will it go into the USA8's, such as "311561usa8.exe"? Avast! has
| || trouble with those particular ones. It declares them be virus free,
| || but counts them as only one file apiece-- whereas it counts
| || "WMP_v.7.1.exe" to be the 856 files that are inside it.
| |
| | AVG scans the system files first [default - 66 files] and includes
| | them in its output, deduct that from the shown counts:
| |
| | 311561usa8.exe
| | scanned 79
|
| 79-66=13, which is the number of files WinZip sees in there. AVG has
| outdone avast! on that one. Of course, one hopes avast! would scan them
| all were I to click 311561usa8.exe to have it do its install-- that
| would be the On-Access scanner doing it then.
|
|
| | How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]
| | setupeng.exe
| | scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see that
| | the setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its designed more
| | for XP and above]
|
| Mysteriously, avast! counts that one as two virus-free files. WinZip
| will not open it for me to count how many are actually inside. However,
| InCtrl5 reported the following after its install...
|
| Folders added: 19
| Files added: 199

Well then it can scan XP manifest files, or at least its own. I have seen
files that AVG could scan with the same coding [or similar] so not sure why
it couldn't do Avast's.

| | And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment package
| | scanned 101
|
| Very good. Too bad AVG is going obsolete for Win98 like McAfee did, if I
| understand that correctly. I have only one .rar...
|
| Uniextract15_noinst.rar
| Avast! reports it has 210 virus-free files inside of 21.0 MB.
| WinZip won't open it for me to verify that number.
|
| Avast! works fine with all .zip & .cab files I've tried too.

Well then some differing supported, and some missed in each.

|
| | Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file, others
| | are scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few for me] or
| | creation
|
| Absolutely. One hopes On-Access will catch any virus inside these
| self-extractables during the install process. Mine is set to scan on
| both open & create.
|
| Otherwise, AVG seems to do a better job than avast! will with certain of
| them. Of course, I haven't counted the number of self-extractables that
| avast! does scan well. I do have one that WinZip shows to contain 15
| files-- but avast! will count only 13 during its scan! If I extract all
| 15 with WinZip, avast! will then scan & count them all!
|
| STILL, overall, I am very pleased with avast!, which now is updated to
| avast! 4.7 Home Edition, Build 4.7.1043.

Well, I think I'll just wait for awhile before I move over to Avast, alot
can happen in a year..

|
| | ... though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have
| | false positives or miss something new [though it generally is picked
| | up in a day or so] but since I have used AV progs such as
| | Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan, Ontrack ViruScan, McAfee,
| | and a number of others though the *days* that's really not
| | unexpected..
|
| I never had a false positive (or any positive) with McAfee. Avast! did
| come up with one false positive (of a file inside a self-extractable)--
| but I've put it into avast!'s exclude list now. It did show that avast!
| worked fairly nicely putting the thing in/out of quarantine. HOWEVER,
| when taken out, the file date did change from its original. (Damn!)

Back in ''''AH"" the DOS days, McAfee was purported as a good prog, yet
running the BBSs I did run into dozens of false positives, had to use three
[or more] different AVs just to ensure nothing got through or nothing was
deleted by mistake someone uploaded.
Now, I download, let it set for a few days so it can be scanned several
times before testing it

|
| | Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and VISTA
| | they need to completely use the new installer environment rather than
| | the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.
|
| That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!

Ah yeah, but its already in Avast...

| || || || --
| || || || PCR
| || || | --
| || || | MEB
| || || | ________
| || || --
| || || PCR
| || | --
| || | MEB
| || | ________
| || --
| || PCR
||
| | --
| | MEB
| | ________
|
| --
| PCR
|

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

Dan · Oct 5, 2007

No, we are talking about August 2008. It is currently October 2007.
Remember, Microsoft just continued XP sales to computer manufacturers of
Windows XP until June 2008 from January 2008 so your so called XP will be
around even longer PCR. <grin, smile, laugh>

"PCR" wrote:

> Dan wrote:
> | In AVG antivirus you also have the choice between standard scan and
> | complete scan and I change the options so I can have AVG perform a
> | complete scan that takes a while to accomplish. I convinced my dad,
> | Ivan to switch to AVG from Symantec antivirus and he is much happier
> | now. My dad Ivan also likes all the things you can do with Mozilla
> | Firefox especially ad blocking and that helps prevent adware.
>
> AVG seems to be a viable alternative to avast! (& may even out-perform
> it with self-extractable .exe's)-- but isn't it about to become obsolete
> or XP/Vista-irradiated?
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
>

PCR · Oct 5, 2007

MEB wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ePEl2ltBIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|| MEB wrote:
|| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| | news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|| || MEB wrote:
|| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| || | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| || || MEB wrote:
|| || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| || || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

....snip
|| || OK, I'm glad to see AVG also
|| || will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete
|| || for Win98, if I understand this thread that much.
|| ||
|| || But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?
|| |
|| | Well, I checked for that file when you and others were discussing
|| | it previously, and just checked again with the couple dozen
|| | storage CDs I presently have out, but to no avail. Of course it
|| | could be on one of the several dozen game CDs also out, but ...
||
|| Mine is in "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual", & I
|| believe it has to do with Acrobat Reader. WinZip shows it to have 83
|| files inside.
|
| Okay, what version of Works? I have several.

According to its About box, it is MS Works 2000, v.5.0. But I am
satisfied AVG likely out-performs avast! with self-executables, as far
as scanning them before they are opened or installed.

....snip
|| | How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]
|| | setupeng.exe
|| | scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see that
|| | the setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its designed more
|| | for XP and above]
||
|| Mysteriously, avast! counts that one as two virus-free files. WinZip
|| will not open it for me to count how many are actually inside.
|| However, InCtrl5 reported the following after its install...
||
|| Folders added: 19
|| Files added: 199
|
| Well then it can scan XP manifest files, or at least its own. I have
| seen files that AVG could scan with the same coding [or similar] so
| not sure why it couldn't do Avast's.

Well, there's a chink in AVG's armor too, then, is all.

|| | And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment package
|| | scanned 101
||
|| Very good. Too bad AVG is going obsolete for Win98 like McAfee did,
|| if I understand that correctly. I have only one .rar...
||
|| Uniextract15_noinst.rar
|| Avast! reports it has 210 virus-free files inside of 21.0 MB.
|| WinZip won't open it for me to verify that number.
||
|| Avast! works fine with all .zip & .cab files I've tried too.
|
| Well then some differing supported, and some missed in each.

It is only self-executable .exe's that avast! seems occasionally to have
trouble with. But, as I said, I fully expect its On-Access scanning will
catch anything inside during the install.

Avast! is great with Internet Mail, Newsgroups & WEB sites! It marks
each incoming & outgoing post as scanned (Properties, Details tab)...

X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000778-3, 10/04/2007), Outbound message
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean

And I can see it scanning individual TIFs (Temporary Internet Files) as
they are being put into the folder! There's a setting to have them pop
up in information windows!

|| | Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file,
|| | others are scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few for
|| | me] or creation
||
|| Absolutely. One hopes On-Access will catch any virus inside these
|| self-extractables during the install process. Mine is set to scan on
|| both open & create.
||
|| Otherwise, AVG seems to do a better job than avast! will with
|| certain of them. Of course, I haven't counted the number of
|| self-extractables that avast! does scan well. I do have one that
|| WinZip shows to contain 15 files-- but avast! will count only 13
|| during its scan! If I extract all 15 with WinZip, avast! will then
|| scan & count them all!
||
|| STILL, overall, I am very pleased with avast!, which now is updated
|| to avast! 4.7 Home Edition, Build 4.7.1043.
|
| Well, I think I'll just wait for awhile before I move over to Avast,
| alot can happen in a year..

I waited until McAfee was totally dead before switching. To my surprise,
McAfee uninstalled like a lamb-- although it had wolf's teeth sunk into
stuff all over the place!

||
|| | ... though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have
|| | false positives or miss something new [though it generally is
|| | picked up in a day or so] but since I have used AV progs such as
|| | Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan, Ontrack ViruScan, McAfee,
|| | and a number of others though the *days* that's really not
|| | unexpected..
||
|| I never had a false positive (or any positive) with McAfee. Avast!
|| did come up with one false positive (of a file inside a
|| self-extractable)-- but I've put it into avast!'s exclude list now.
|| It did show that avast! worked fairly nicely putting the thing
|| in/out of quarantine. HOWEVER, when taken out, the file date did
|| change from its original. (Damn!)
|
| Back in ''''AH"" the DOS days, McAfee was purported as a good prog,
| yet running the BBSs I did run into dozens of false positives, had to
| use three [or more] different AVs just to ensure nothing got through
| or nothing was deleted by mistake someone uploaded.
| Now, I download, let it set for a few days so it can be scanned
| several times before testing it

It doesn't hurt to be overly cautious. I'm not a big NET traveler,
though, myself.

|| | Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and
|| | VISTA they need to completely use the new installer environment
|| | rather than the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.
||
|| That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!
|
| Ah yeah, but its already in Avast...

I'm sure that would explain the few peccadilloes I have detected such as
spotty self-executable scanning! NOW, I've now DOUBLED the thickness of
my tinfoil hat-- and, oh, God, yes-- I DO see "XP" written into certain
avast! requestor & help screens! Oh, my God-- you are right!

....snip

PCR · Oct 5, 2007

Galen Somerville · Oct 5, 2007

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:ucHdVO4BIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> MEB wrote:
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:ePEl2ltBIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> || MEB wrote:
> || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> || | news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> || || MEB wrote:
> || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> || || | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> || || || MEB wrote:
> || || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> || || || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> ...snip
> || || OK, I'm glad to see AVG also
> || || will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete
> || || for Win98, if I understand this thread that much.
> || ||
> || || But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?
> || |
> || | Well, I checked for that file when you and others were discussing
> || | it previously, and just checked again with the couple dozen
> || | storage CDs I presently have out, but to no avail. Of course it
> || | could be on one of the several dozen game CDs also out, but ...
> ||
> || Mine is in "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual", & I
> || believe it has to do with Acrobat Reader. WinZip shows it to have 83
> || files inside.
> |
> | Okay, what version of Works? I have several.
>
> According to its About box, it is MS Works 2000, v.5.0. But I am
> satisfied AVG likely out-performs avast! with self-executables, as far
> as scanning them before they are opened or installed.
>
> ...snip
> || | How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]
> || | setupeng.exe
> || | scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see that
> || | the setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its designed more
> || | for XP and above]
> ||
> || Mysteriously, avast! counts that one as two virus-free files. WinZip
> || will not open it for me to count how many are actually inside.
> || However, InCtrl5 reported the following after its install...
> ||
> || Folders added: 19
> || Files added: 199
> |
> | Well then it can scan XP manifest files, or at least its own. I have
> | seen files that AVG could scan with the same coding [or similar] so
> | not sure why it couldn't do Avast's.
>
> Well, there's a chink in AVG's armor too, then, is all.
>
> || | And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment package
> || | scanned 101
> ||
> || Very good. Too bad AVG is going obsolete for Win98 like McAfee did,
> || if I understand that correctly. I have only one .rar...
> ||
> || Uniextract15_noinst.rar
> || Avast! reports it has 210 virus-free files inside of 21.0 MB.
> || WinZip won't open it for me to verify that number.
> ||
> || Avast! works fine with all .zip & .cab files I've tried too.
> |
> | Well then some differing supported, and some missed in each.
>
> It is only self-executable .exe's that avast! seems occasionally to have
> trouble with. But, as I said, I fully expect its On-Access scanning will
> catch anything inside during the install.
>
> Avast! is great with Internet Mail, Newsgroups & WEB sites! It marks
> each incoming & outgoing post as scanned (Properties, Details tab)...
>
> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000778-3, 10/04/2007), Outbound message
> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
>
> And I can see it scanning individual TIFs (Temporary Internet Files) as
> they are being put into the folder! There's a setting to have them pop
> up in information windows!
>
> || | Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file,
> || | others are scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few for
> || | me] or creation
> ||
> || Absolutely. One hopes On-Access will catch any virus inside these
> || self-extractables during the install process. Mine is set to scan on
> || both open & create.
> ||
> || Otherwise, AVG seems to do a better job than avast! will with
> || certain of them. Of course, I haven't counted the number of
> || self-extractables that avast! does scan well. I do have one that
> || WinZip shows to contain 15 files-- but avast! will count only 13
> || during its scan! If I extract all 15 with WinZip, avast! will then
> || scan & count them all!
> ||
> || STILL, overall, I am very pleased with avast!, which now is updated
> || to avast! 4.7 Home Edition, Build 4.7.1043.
> |
> | Well, I think I'll just wait for awhile before I move over to Avast,
> | alot can happen in a year..
>
> I waited until McAfee was totally dead before switching. To my surprise,
> McAfee uninstalled like a lamb-- although it had wolf's teeth sunk into
> stuff all over the place!
>
> ||
> || | ... though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have
> || | false positives or miss something new [though it generally is
> || | picked up in a day or so] but since I have used AV progs such as
> || | Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan, Ontrack ViruScan, McAfee,
> || | and a number of others though the *days* that's really not
> || | unexpected..
> ||
> || I never had a false positive (or any positive) with McAfee. Avast!
> || did come up with one false positive (of a file inside a
> || self-extractable)-- but I've put it into avast!'s exclude list now.
> || It did show that avast! worked fairly nicely putting the thing
> || in/out of quarantine. HOWEVER, when taken out, the file date did
> || change from its original. (Damn!)
> |
> | Back in ''''AH"" the DOS days, McAfee was purported as a good prog,
> | yet running the BBSs I did run into dozens of false positives, had to
> | use three [or more] different AVs just to ensure nothing got through
> | or nothing was deleted by mistake someone uploaded.
> | Now, I download, let it set for a few days so it can be scanned
> | several times before testing it
>
> It doesn't hurt to be overly cautious. I'm not a big NET traveler,
> though, myself.
>
> || | Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and
> || | VISTA they need to completely use the new installer environment
> || | rather than the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.
> ||
> || That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!
> |
> | Ah yeah, but its already in Avast...
>
> I'm sure that would explain the few peccadilloes I have detected such as
> spotty self-executable scanning! NOW, I've now DOUBLED the thickness of
> my tinfoil hat-- and, oh, God, yes-- I DO see "XP" written into certain
> avast! requestor & help screens! Oh, my God-- you are right!
>
> ...snip
>
>
Maybe your tinfoil hat is outdated. Try one of these.

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Galen

PCR · Oct 5, 2007

Galen Somerville wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ucHdVO4BIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> MEB wrote:
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:ePEl2ltBIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> || MEB wrote:
|> || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> || | news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> || || MEB wrote:
|> || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> || || | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> || || || MEB wrote:
|> || || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> || || || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

....snip
|> || | Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and
|> || | VISTA they need to completely use the new installer environment
|> || | rather than the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.
|> ||
|> || That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!
|> |
|> | Ah yeah, but its already in Avast...
|>
|> I'm sure that would explain the few peccadilloes I have detected
|> such as spotty self-executable scanning! NOW, I've now DOUBLED the
|> thickness of my tinfoil hat-- and, oh, God, yes-- I DO see "XP"
|> written into certain avast! requestor & help screens! Oh, my God--
|> you are right!
|>
|> ...snip
|>
|>
| Maybe your tinfoil hat is outdated. Try one of these.
|
| http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

That one that glows looks like a viable alternative! Thanks! It's
lovely!

| Galen

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

MEB · Oct 5, 2007

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
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| MEB wrote:
| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| | news:ePEl2ltBIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| || MEB wrote:
| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || | news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| || || MEB wrote:
| || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || || | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| || || || MEB wrote:
| || || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || || || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|
| ...snip
| || || OK, I'm glad to see AVG also
| || || will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete
| || || for Win98, if I understand this thread that much.
| || ||
| || || But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?
| || |
| || | Well, I checked for that file when you and others were discussing
| || | it previously, and just checked again with the couple dozen
| || | storage CDs I presently have out, but to no avail. Of course it
| || | could be on one of the several dozen game CDs also out, but ...
| ||
| || Mine is in "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual", & I
| || believe it has to do with Acrobat Reader. WinZip shows it to have 83
| || files inside.
| |
| | Okay, what version of Works? I have several.
|
| According to its About box, it is MS Works 2000, v.5.0. But I am
| satisfied AVG likely out-performs avast! with self-executables, as far
| as scanning them before they are opened or installed.

Hmm, might be in a sub-compressed file, but I don't see it in my Works and
Money 2000 CD.

|
| ...snip
| || | How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]
| || | setupeng.exe
| || | scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see that
| || | the setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its designed more
| || | for XP and above]
| ||
| || Mysteriously, avast! counts that one as two virus-free files. WinZip
| || will not open it for me to count how many are actually inside.
| || However, InCtrl5 reported the following after its install...
| ||
| || Folders added: 19
| || Files added: 199
| |
| | Well then it can scan XP manifest files, or at least its own. I have
| | seen files that AVG could scan with the same coding [or similar] so
| | not sure why it couldn't do Avast's.
|
| Well, there's a chink in AVG's armor too, then, is all.

Yeah, apparently, though can anyone claim any AV program is 100% failure
proof, likely not.

|
| || | And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment package
| || | scanned 101
| ||
| || Very good. Too bad AVG is going obsolete for Win98 like McAfee did,
| || if I understand that correctly. I have only one .rar...
| ||
| || Uniextract15_noinst.rar
| || Avast! reports it has 210 virus-free files inside of 21.0 MB.
| || WinZip won't open it for me to verify that number.
| ||
| || Avast! works fine with all .zip & .cab files I've tried too.
| |
| | Well then some differing supported, and some missed in each.
|
| It is only self-executable .exe's that avast! seems occasionally to have
| trouble with. But, as I said, I fully expect its On-Access scanning will
| catch anything inside during the install.
|
| Avast! is great with Internet Mail, Newsgroups & WEB sites! It marks
| each incoming & outgoing post as scanned (Properties, Details tab)...

AVG had [has] that, though still included as an option which I have
configured, using text for reading and posting seems to not include that,
and only does so for messages with attachments ...

|
| X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000778-3, 10/04/2007), Outbound message
| X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|
| And I can see it scanning individual TIFs (Temporary Internet Files) as
| they are being put into the folder! There's a setting to have them pop
| up in information windows!

Well that could be useful I suppose... another way to monitor what's going
on. AVG has the normal logs which can be reviewed.

|
| || | Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file,
| || | others are scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few for
| || | me] or creation
| ||
| || Absolutely. One hopes On-Access will catch any virus inside these
| || self-extractables during the install process. Mine is set to scan on
| || both open & create.
| ||
| || Otherwise, AVG seems to do a better job than avast! will with
| || certain of them. Of course, I haven't counted the number of
| || self-extractables that avast! does scan well. I do have one that
| || WinZip shows to contain 15 files-- but avast! will count only 13
| || during its scan! If I extract all 15 with WinZip, avast! will then
| || scan & count them all!
| ||
| || STILL, overall, I am very pleased with avast!, which now is updated
| || to avast! 4.7 Home Edition, Build 4.7.1043.
| |
| | Well, I think I'll just wait for awhile before I move over to Avast,
| | alot can happen in a year..
|
| I waited until McAfee was totally dead before switching. To my surprise,
| McAfee uninstalled like a lamb-- although it had wolf's teeth sunk into
| stuff all over the place!

Yeah, I was surprised when you previously indicated that...

|
| ||
| || | ... though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have
| || | false positives or miss something new [though it generally is
| || | picked up in a day or so] but since I have used AV progs such as
| || | Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan, Ontrack ViruScan, McAfee,
| || | and a number of others though the *days* that's really not
| || | unexpected..
| ||
| || I never had a false positive (or any positive) with McAfee. Avast!
| || did come up with one false positive (of a file inside a
| || self-extractable)-- but I've put it into avast!'s exclude list now.
| || It did show that avast! worked fairly nicely putting the thing
| || in/out of quarantine. HOWEVER, when taken out, the file date did
| || change from its original. (Damn!)
| |
| | Back in ''''AH"" the DOS days, McAfee was purported as a good prog,
| | yet running the BBSs I did run into dozens of false positives, had to
| | use three [or more] different AVs just to ensure nothing got through
| | or nothing was deleted by mistake someone uploaded.
| | Now, I download, let it set for a few days so it can be scanned
| | several times before testing it
|
| It doesn't hurt to be overly cautious. I'm not a big NET traveler,
| though, myself.

Well I still am running the various tests, hence questionable files, so at
least for awhile I have to be cautious ...

|
| || | Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and
| || | VISTA they need to completely use the new installer environment
| || | rather than the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.
| ||
| || That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!
| |
| | Ah yeah, but its already in Avast...
|
| I'm sure that would explain the few peccadilloes I have detected such as
| spotty self-executable scanning! NOW, I've now DOUBLED the thickness of
| my tinfoil hat-- and, oh, God, yes-- I DO see "XP" written into certain
| avast! requestor & help screens! Oh, my God-- you are right!
|
| ...snip
|

You're DOOOOOOOOMEDDDDD, might want to get that full suit protection though
....

pixturesk@gmail.com · Oct 5, 2007

On Oct 5, 3:18 pm, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>
> | No, we are talking about August 2008. It is currently October 2007.
> | Remember, Microsoft just continued XP sales to computer manufacturers
> | of Windows XP until June 2008 from January 2008 so your so called XP
> | will be around even longer PCR. <grin, smile, laugh>
>
> OK. AVG is a viable alternative, then, if you mean it will continue to
> work on Win98 as well. Best double the thickness of your tinfoil hat, is
> all, if XP is mentioned in its help screen!
>
> | "PCR" wrote:
>
> ||> Dan wrote:
>
> |> | In AVG antivirus you also have the choice between standard scan and
> |> | complete scan and I change the options so I can have AVG perform a
> |> | complete scan that takes a while to accomplish. I convinced my
> |> | dad, Ivan to switch to AVG from Symantec antivirus and he is much
> |> | happier now. My dad Ivan also likes all the things you can do
> |> | with Mozilla Firefox especially ad blocking and that helps prevent
> |> | adware.
> |>
> |> AVG seems to be a viable alternative to avast! (& may even
> |> out-perform it with self-extractable .exe's)-- but isn't it about to
> |> become obsolete or XP/Vista-irradiated?
> |>
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcr...@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcr...@netzero.net

As the guy who began this topic, I will repeat my original
information.

"While checking out the Grisoft site for some AVG Free information (I
have been using AVG Free for a couple of years), I came across the
following information:

Important notice

"Some older operating systems such as Microsoft Windows ME,
Microsoft Windows NT and Microsoft Windows 98 will only be supported
until August 2008 as a minimum".

So I asked about this on the AVG Free forum, got the following
response:

"I can say that currently Win95 isn't officially supported but AVG
Free still works on it... but I can't say that will also be true for
Win98-WinME at the point that Grisoft does drop support for them. I
can say that most ( not all ) of the other antivirus companies have
already dropped support for Win9x-WinME and you can only expect most
all to do the same very soon".

Just thought I might bring this information to the attention of this
group, check it out for yourself. I have just got a copy of Avast Home
Edition which is also free, seems to get much better reviews, performs
more functions than AVG. I also wrote to the Avast forum to ascertain
their intentions about continuing support for Win98SE, got the
following response:

"The avast policy is to keep all features that were compatible with
Windows 95, 98 and Me available. Only new features are being just
developed for newer Windows versions.
And ok, it will be free.
Welcome to avast. I'm an ex AVG user too".

Avast Home Edition Free requires its own registration process which
you can check out on their website, where you can also get a number of
skins to change the Avast look. Hope this helps"

Since this original contribution, I have been using Avast with no
problems, in my view it offers more complete protection, just taking
what the AVG folks say as the truth. I will continue to use Avast.

MEB · Oct 5, 2007

Maybe its time for lead lined hats XQ

Support for AVG Free after August 2008

Bill in Co.

PCR

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MEB

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Dan

PCR

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Galen Somerville

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