Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

[Alias]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

norm wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Well, alias, as terrible as you might think things are, the fact
>>>>> remains
>>>>> that we CAN celebrate our independence, and for that we need to
>>>>> remain thankful.
>>>>
>>>> Tell that to the prisoners who are "celebrating" being detained
>>>> without charges for years. Tell that to the millions of Americans
>>>> that have no health insurance. Tell that to the families whose loved
>>>> ones have been unfairly executed. Tell that to ...
>>>>
>>>> For the first time in my life, I have to hide the fact that I am a
>>>> US Citizen while living overseas, all due to the horrible things
>>>> that Bush has done since he got in office and you want me to take my
>>>> pissing and moaning elsewhere? Remove your Pollyanna rose colored
>>>> glasses and look at reality on this auspicious day instead of trying
>>>> to shut me up with your FUD.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> You know why I will celebrate the 4th? Because I will be able to
>>> participate next year in an event that will get rid of Bush...
>>
>> He's leaving with or without your participation.
>>
>> While I
>>> agree that bush is not the best president we have ever had at least
>>> we get to elect our president...
>>
>> Tell that to Gore who won the election in 00. Paperless voting
>> machines in Ohio and Florida, etc in 04.
>>
>>> Health insurance? I don't remember Health insurance even existing
>>> anywhere when this country was first founded.
>>
>> Your point? Is it that Americans should just STFU and die when they
>> get sick or what?
>>
>>>
>>> I will celebrate every fourth of july simply because I can. Maybe
>>> it's a good idea to take one day off a year to come together as a
>>> country and enjoy each others company instead of constantly
>>> complaining about everyone every day of the year.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> You're changing the subject.
>>
>> Could Abraham Lincoln win the presidency in 08? No way he was not rich.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Regardless of whether a democrat or republican wins in 08, be sure to
> check out whether or not the winner is rich. You probably will be sadly
> disillusioned.
>

Name me the last poor US president.

Alias

 

[Frank]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

Alias wrote:

> norm wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Well, alias, as terrible as you might think things are, the fact
>>>>>> remains
>>>>>> that we CAN celebrate our independence, and for that we need to
>>>>>> remain thankful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell that to the prisoners who are "celebrating" being detained
>>>>> without charges for years. Tell that to the millions of Americans
>>>>> that have no health insurance. Tell that to the families whose
>>>>> loved ones have been unfairly executed. Tell that to ...
>>>>>
>>>>> For the first time in my life, I have to hide the fact that I am a
>>>>> US Citizen while living overseas, all due to the horrible things
>>>>> that Bush has done since he got in office and you want me to take
>>>>> my pissing and moaning elsewhere? Remove your Pollyanna rose
>>>>> colored glasses and look at reality on this auspicious day instead
>>>>> of trying to shut me up with your FUD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know why I will celebrate the 4th? Because I will be able to
>>>> participate next year in an event that will get rid of Bush...
>>>
>>>
>>> He's leaving with or without your participation.
>>>
>>> While I
>>>
>>>> agree that bush is not the best president we have ever had at least
>>>> we get to elect our president...
>>>
>>>
>>> Tell that to Gore who won the election in 00. Paperless voting
>>> machines in Ohio and Florida, etc in 04.
>>>
>>>> Health insurance? I don't remember Health insurance even existing
>>>> anywhere when this country was first founded.
>>>
>>>
>>> Your point? Is it that Americans should just STFU and die when they
>>> get sick or what?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will celebrate every fourth of july simply because I can. Maybe
>>>> it's a good idea to take one day off a year to come together as a
>>>> country and enjoy each others company instead of constantly
>>>> complaining about everyone every day of the year.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> You're changing the subject.
>>>
>>> Could Abraham Lincoln win the presidency in 08? No way he was not rich.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Regardless of whether a democrat or republican wins in 08, be sure to
>> check out whether or not the winner is rich. You probably will be
>> sadly disillusioned.
>>
>
> Name me the last poor US president.
>
> Alias

Name me the last poor king of spain?
Frank

 

[Jeff]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

"norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
news:O9sxLu$vHHA.5036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Alias wrote:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Well, alias, as terrible as you might think things are, the fact
>>>>> remains
>>>>> that we CAN celebrate our independence, and for that we need to remain
>>>>> thankful.
>>>>
>>>> Tell that to the prisoners who are "celebrating" being detained without
>>>> charges for years. Tell that to the millions of Americans that have no
>>>> health insurance. Tell that to the families whose loved ones have been
>>>> unfairly executed. Tell that to ...
>>>>
>>>> For the first time in my life, I have to hide the fact that I am a US
>>>> Citizen while living overseas, all due to the horrible things that Bush
>>>> has done since he got in office and you want me to take my pissing and
>>>> moaning elsewhere? Remove your Pollyanna rose colored glasses and look
>>>> at reality on this auspicious day instead of trying to shut me up with
>>>> your FUD.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> You know why I will celebrate the 4th? Because I will be able to
>>> participate next year in an event that will get rid of Bush...
>>
>> He's leaving with or without your participation.
>>
>> While I
>>> agree that bush is not the best president we have ever had at least we
>>> get to elect our president...
>>
>> Tell that to Gore who won the election in 00. Paperless voting machines
>> in Ohio and Florida, etc in 04.
>>
>>> Health insurance? I don't remember Health insurance even existing
>>> anywhere when this country was first founded.
>>
>> Your point? Is it that Americans should just STFU and die when they get
>> sick or what?
>>
>>>
>>> I will celebrate every fourth of july simply because I can. Maybe it's
>>> a good idea to take one day off a year to come together as a country and
>>> enjoy each others company instead of constantly complaining about
>>> everyone every day of the year.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> You're changing the subject.
>>
>> Could Abraham Lincoln win the presidency in 08? No way he was not rich.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Regardless of whether a democrat or republican wins in 08, be sure to
> check out whether or not the winner is rich. You probably will be sadly
> disillusioned.
>
> --
> norm

Well, until people are comfortable voting for a third party that may be the
norm for awhile... Not that I like it either...

But thats a whole nother story )

Jeff

 

[Jeff]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!


>>
>
> Name me the last poor US president.
>
> Alias

I would say the current one but we would be talking about different
things....

That still doesn't give a good reason for not coming together as a country
and celebrating what happened over 200 years ago... What is going on today
does not change what happened in 1776.

Jeff

 

[The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

Jeff wrote:
>
> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
> news:O9sxLu$vHHA.5036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Well, alias, as terrible as you might think things are, the fact
>>>>>> remains
>>>>>> that we CAN celebrate our independence, and for that we need to
>>>>>> remain thankful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell that to the prisoners who are "celebrating" being detained
>>>>> without charges for years. Tell that to the millions of Americans
>>>>> that have no health insurance. Tell that to the families whose
>>>>> loved ones have been unfairly executed. Tell that to ...
>>>>>
>>>>> For the first time in my life, I have to hide the fact that I am a
>>>>> US Citizen while living overseas, all due to the horrible things
>>>>> that Bush has done since he got in office and you want me to take
>>>>> my pissing and moaning elsewhere? Remove your Pollyanna rose
>>>>> colored glasses and look at reality on this auspicious day instead
>>>>> of trying to shut me up with your FUD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> You know why I will celebrate the 4th? Because I will be able to
>>>> participate next year in an event that will get rid of Bush...
>>>
>>> He's leaving with or without your participation.
>>>
>>> While I
>>>> agree that bush is not the best president we have ever had at least
>>>> we get to elect our president...
>>>
>>> Tell that to Gore who won the election in 00. Paperless voting
>>> machines in Ohio and Florida, etc in 04.
>>>
>>>> Health insurance? I don't remember Health insurance even existing
>>>> anywhere when this country was first founded.
>>>
>>> Your point? Is it that Americans should just STFU and die when they
>>> get sick or what?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will celebrate every fourth of july simply because I can. Maybe
>>>> it's a good idea to take one day off a year to come together as a
>>>> country and enjoy each others company instead of constantly
>>>> complaining about everyone every day of the year.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> You're changing the subject.
>>>
>>> Could Abraham Lincoln win the presidency in 08? No way he was not rich.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> Regardless of whether a democrat or republican wins in 08, be sure to
>> check out whether or not the winner is rich. You probably will be
>> sadly disillusioned.
>>
>> --
>> norm
>
> Well, until people are comfortable voting for a third party that may be
> the norm for awhile... Not that I like it either...
>
> But thats a whole nother story )
>
> Jeff

No pun intended, I assume?

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[Jeff]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!


>>
>> Well, until people are comfortable voting for a third party that may be
>> the norm for awhile... Not that I like it either...
>>
>> But thats a whole nother story )
>>
>> Jeff
>
> No pun intended, I assume?
>

We can't celebrate the 4th until we get their nukilar weppins...

lol

Jef

 

[Michael Solomon]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:eDgj67$vHHA.3560@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> norm wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Well, alias, as terrible as you might think things are, the fact
>>>>>> remains
>>>>>> that we CAN celebrate our independence, and for that we need to
>>>>>> remain thankful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell that to the prisoners who are "celebrating" being detained
>>>>> without charges for years. Tell that to the millions of Americans that
>>>>> have no health insurance. Tell that to the families whose loved ones
>>>>> have been unfairly executed. Tell that to ...
>>>>>
>>>>> For the first time in my life, I have to hide the fact that I am a US
>>>>> Citizen while living overseas, all due to the horrible things that
>>>>> Bush has done since he got in office and you want me to take my
>>>>> pissing and moaning elsewhere? Remove your Pollyanna rose colored
>>>>> glasses and look at reality on this auspicious day instead of trying
>>>>> to shut me up with your FUD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> You know why I will celebrate the 4th? Because I will be able to
>>>> participate next year in an event that will get rid of Bush...
>>>
>>> He's leaving with or without your participation.
>>>
>>> While I
>>>> agree that bush is not the best president we have ever had at least we
>>>> get to elect our president...
>>>
>>> Tell that to Gore who won the election in 00. Paperless voting machines
>>> in Ohio and Florida, etc in 04.
>>>
>>>> Health insurance? I don't remember Health insurance even existing
>>>> anywhere when this country was first founded.
>>>
>>> Your point? Is it that Americans should just STFU and die when they get
>>> sick or what?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will celebrate every fourth of july simply because I can. Maybe it's
>>>> a good idea to take one day off a year to come together as a country
>>>> and enjoy each others company instead of constantly complaining about
>>>> everyone every day of the year.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> You're changing the subject.
>>>
>>> Could Abraham Lincoln win the presidency in 08? No way he was not rich.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> Regardless of whether a democrat or republican wins in 08, be sure to
>> check out whether or not the winner is rich. You probably will be sadly
>> disillusioned.
>>
>
> Name me the last poor US president.
>
> Alias

I won't say President Clinton was poor but he was by no means a wealthy man
when he became president having come from a family of modest means and
spending most of his adult life working in the public sector or as an
elected official. President Reagan was not a particularly wealthy man,
neither was Richard Nixon or President Eisenhower. The problem is not so
much the wealth of the individual rather it is the amount of money it costs
to run for office and the requirement of attracting wealthy contributors.
The Internet, with all its faults, may start to change that. Even so, your
point should be directed at the obscene amounts of money it costs to run for
office in this country, not to mention its corrupting influence as opposed
to which individual is rich or poor.

The dollar is not at an all time low. Apparently, you didn't live through
the 1070s when interest rates hit a high of 21%, inflation was running at
over 10% and unemployment was in the 7% range or more.

I Agree with most other things you said with regard to problems in this
country with the following caveat. In this country, I can speak up about
these problems. When I'm ruminating over some of the problems we have here,
some of which you enumerated, I think of Hugo Chavez shutting down a
television station because he didn't like what it was saying.

I think of the countless countries around the world where not only would
such things as you mentioned not be reported, they could not even be spoken
or discussed. I don't like these things you mentioned, including and
perhaps most importantly, the voting irregularities but even though I was
not able to vote the administration responsible out of office, I had the
constitutional assurance, that ultimately, that too would change.

The wheels of change grind very slow here but we do still have the power to
change things. Some of the problems are institutional as you suggest but
when the masses become energized in this country, we have a remarkable
capacity to make things happen and that includes change.
--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

 

[Don Burnette]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
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> Jeff wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> What's there to celebrate? The Patriot Act? Illegal wiretapping?
>>> Torture? Illegal detentions in the USA and in places like Romania?
>>> Guantamano? Holding people for years without trial or charges? Abu
>>> Ghraib? Oil at over $70 a barrel? The dollar at an all time low? The
>>> highest amount of death penalties carried out, only second to China?
>>> Over 40 million US citizens who don't have health insurance?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> Is it so hard to let american's have one day to be happy? While I agree
>> with some of what you said that doesn't mean i am not going to enjoy
>> myself...
>>
>> Jeff
>
> You can celebrate any old time you want to. Now that the USA is the way it
> is, celebrating the birth of the USA is hypocritical.
>

And you are a disgrace, to the USA.
Please stay out.

--
Don

 

[Alias]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

Jeff wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Name me the last poor US president.
>>
>> Alias
>
> I would say the current one but we would be talking about different
> things....
>
> That still doesn't give a good reason for not coming together as a
> country and celebrating what happened over 200 years ago... What is
> going on today does not change what happened in 1776.
>
> Jeff

No, it's embarrassing.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

Michael Solomon wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eDgj67$vHHA.3560@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> norm wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, alias, as terrible as you might think things are, the fact
>>>>>>> remains
>>>>>>> that we CAN celebrate our independence, and for that we need to
>>>>>>> remain thankful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell that to the prisoners who are "celebrating" being detained
>>>>>> without charges for years. Tell that to the millions of Americans
>>>>>> that have no health insurance. Tell that to the families whose
>>>>>> loved ones have been unfairly executed. Tell that to ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the first time in my life, I have to hide the fact that I am a
>>>>>> US Citizen while living overseas, all due to the horrible things
>>>>>> that Bush has done since he got in office and you want me to take
>>>>>> my pissing and moaning elsewhere? Remove your Pollyanna rose
>>>>>> colored glasses and look at reality on this auspicious day instead
>>>>>> of trying to shut me up with your FUD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> You know why I will celebrate the 4th? Because I will be able to
>>>>> participate next year in an event that will get rid of Bush...
>>>>
>>>> He's leaving with or without your participation.
>>>>
>>>> While I
>>>>> agree that bush is not the best president we have ever had at least
>>>>> we get to elect our president...
>>>>
>>>> Tell that to Gore who won the election in 00. Paperless voting
>>>> machines in Ohio and Florida, etc in 04.
>>>>
>>>>> Health insurance? I don't remember Health insurance even existing
>>>>> anywhere when this country was first founded.
>>>>
>>>> Your point? Is it that Americans should just STFU and die when they
>>>> get sick or what?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will celebrate every fourth of july simply because I can. Maybe
>>>>> it's a good idea to take one day off a year to come together as a
>>>>> country and enjoy each others company instead of constantly
>>>>> complaining about everyone every day of the year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> You're changing the subject.
>>>>
>>>> Could Abraham Lincoln win the presidency in 08? No way he was not
>>>> rich.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> Regardless of whether a democrat or republican wins in 08, be sure to
>>> check out whether or not the winner is rich. You probably will be
>>> sadly disillusioned.
>>>
>>
>> Name me the last poor US president.
>>
>> Alias
>
> I won't say President Clinton was poor but he was by no means a wealthy
> man when he became president having come from a family of modest means
> and spending most of his adult life working in the public sector or as
> an elected official. President Reagan was not a particularly wealthy
> man, neither was Richard Nixon or President Eisenhower. The problem is
> not so much the wealth of the individual rather it is the amount of
> money it costs to run for office and the requirement of attracting
> wealthy contributors.

IOW, who you know. You need to be rich or sell out to the highest bidder
like a common streetwalker. I stand corrected.

The Internet, with all its faults, may start to
> change that. Even so, your point should be directed at the obscene
> amounts of money it costs to run for office in this country, not to
> mention its corrupting influence as opposed to which individual is rich
> or poor.

I am against that as well.

> The dollar is not at an all time low. Apparently, you didn't live
> through the 1070s

Um, neither did you -)

> when interest rates hit a high of 21%, inflation was
> running at over 10% and unemployment was in the 7% range or more.

I was in Mexico then (late '70's and the dollar was strong there. I
don't remember what it was in Europe almost a thousand years ago ... -)

> I Agree with most other things you said with regard to problems in this
> country with the following caveat. In this country, I can speak up
> about these problems. When I'm ruminating over some of the problems we
> have here, some of which you enumerated, I think of Hugo Chavez shutting
> down a television station because he didn't like what it was saying.

Because it's worse elsewhere doesn't make a Patriot Act The Constitution.

> I think of the countless countries around the world where not only would
> such things as you mentioned not be reported, they could not even be
> spoken or discussed. I don't like these things you mentioned, including
> and perhaps most importantly, the voting irregularities but even though
> I was not able to vote the administration responsible out of office, I
> had the constitutional assurance, that ultimately, that too would change.

Because it's worse elsewhere doesn't make Operation Iraq Fiasco the
Boston Tea Party.

> The wheels of change grind very slow here but we do still have the power
> to change things. Some of the problems are institutional as you suggest
> but when the masses become energized in this country, we have a
> remarkable capacity to make things happen and that includes change.

When I can't see the Daily Show on line, you're right, needing to worry
would be confirmed. It just seems to be, unfortunately, heading that way
already. I hope I'm wrong because I don't place much hope in China
leading the way in the 21st century.

Alias

 

[Michael Solomon]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message >> I won't say
President Clinton was poor but he was by no means a wealthy
>> man when he became president having come from a family of modest means
>> and spending most of his adult life working in the public sector or as an
>> elected official. President Reagan was not a particularly wealthy man,
>> neither was Richard Nixon or President Eisenhower. The problem is not so
>> much the wealth of the individual rather it is the amount of money it
>> costs to run for office and the requirement of attracting wealthy
>> contributors.
>
> IOW, who you know. You need to be rich or sell out to the highest bidder
> like a common streetwalker. I stand corrected.

More or less, yes!
>
> The Internet, with all its faults, may start to
>> change that. Even so, your point should be directed at the obscene
>> amounts of money it costs to run for office in this country, not to
>> mention its corrupting influence as opposed to which individual is rich
>> or poor.
>
> I am against that as well.
>
>> The dollar is not at an all time low. Apparently, you didn't live
>> through the 1070s
>
> Um, neither did you -)

Sorry, I lived through the 70s, 60s and 50s.
>
>> when interest rates hit a high of 21%, inflation was running at over 10%
>> and unemployment was in the 7% range or more.
>
> I was in Mexico then (late '70's and the dollar was strong there. I don't
> remember what it was in Europe almost a thousand years ago ... -)

The peso is not a benchmark currency. In the 1970s, the dollar, yen, Deutch
Mark and British pound sterling were and the dollar fell to all time lows
against each of them.
>
>> I Agree with most other things you said with regard to problems in this
>> country with the following caveat. In this country, I can speak up about
>> these problems. When I'm ruminating over some of the problems we have
>> here, some of which you enumerated, I think of Hugo Chavez shutting down
>> a television station because he didn't like what it was saying.
>
> Because it's worse elsewhere doesn't make a Patriot Act The Constitution.

Nope and I didn't say or imply that nor do I believe that.
>
>> I think of the countless countries around the world where not only would
>> such things as you mentioned not be reported, they could not even be
>> spoken or discussed. I don't like these things you mentioned, including
>> and perhaps most importantly, the voting irregularities but even though I
>> was not able to vote the administration responsible out of office, I had
>> the constitutional assurance, that ultimately, that too would change.
>
> Because it's worse elsewhere doesn't make Operation Iraq Fiasco the Boston
> Tea Party.

I didn't say that either, only that I'm thankful for a free press that is
able to and does report such abuses so I/we in this country don't live in
blissful ignorance unless we choose to do so. And I'm thankful I can speak
out and openly criticize the government without fear of being arrested for
it....though given the "Patriot Act," sometimes I wonder.
>
>> The wheels of change grind very slow here but we do still have the power
>> to change things. Some of the problems are institutional as you suggest
>> but when the masses become energized in this country, we have a
>> remarkable capacity to make things happen and that includes change.
>
> When I can't see the Daily Show on line, you're right, needing to worry
> would be confirmed. It just seems to be, unfortunately, heading that way
> already. I hope I'm wrong because I don't place much hope in China leading
> the way in the 21st century.

Neither do I!
>
> Alias

--
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Backup is a PC user's best friend
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[Jeff]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!


>
> I won't say President Clinton was poor but he was by no means a wealthy
> man when he became president having come from a family of modest means and
> spending most of his adult life working in the public sector or as an
> elected official. President Reagan was not a particularly wealthy man,
> neither was Richard Nixon or President Eisenhower. The problem is not so
> much the wealth of the individual rather it is the amount of money it
> costs to run for office and the requirement of attracting wealthy
> contributors. The Internet, with all its faults, may start to change that.
> Even so, your point should be directed at the obscene amounts of money it
> costs to run for office in this country, not to mention its corrupting
> influence as opposed to which individual is rich or poor.
>

I would have to say their wealth at the time they ran was higher than the
average american though.
But I would agree about the corruption created by the donation to the
system.


> The dollar is not at an all time low. Apparently, you didn't live through
> the 1070s when interest rates hit a high of 21%, inflation was running at
> over 10% and unemployment was in the 7% range or more.
>

What about the great depression?


> I Agree with most other things you said with regard to problems in this
> country with the following caveat. In this country, I can speak up about
> these problems. When I'm ruminating over some of the problems we have
> here, some of which you enumerated, I think of Hugo Chavez shutting down a
> television station because he didn't like what it was saying.
>

Why do you think they are trying to cut funding to PBS?


> The wheels of change grind very slow here but we do still have the power
> to change things. Some of the problems are institutional as you suggest
> but when the masses become energized in this country, we have a remarkable
> capacity to make things happen and that includes change.
> --

George washington himself said the american people would have to rise up
against the government everyone 200 years to keep it inline...

Maybe we are overdue?

Jeff

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

Alias
You have stated you are a US citizen.
Did you vote in the last presidential election?

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[Jeff]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

Maybe you don't realize what the 4th of july is really about? It is about
celebrating what George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and
what all of the other people over 230 year ago did to create our nation. It
has nothing to do with health insurance, george bush, iraq or anything going
on today.

Are you saying they should never have created the united states to begin
with???


Jeff

 

[Julian]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

"Jeff" <jssparks@spam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Maybe you don't realize what the 4th of july is really about? It is about
> celebrating what George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson
> and what all of the other people over 230 year ago did to create our
> nation. It has nothing to do with health insurance, george bush, iraq or
> anything going on today.
>
> Are you saying they should never have created the united states to begin
> with???

While we're at it, we have a sort of a cowboy song we'd like to do
for ya. This is a song that deals with the rapidly approaching 200th
birthday of the united states of america, ladies and gentlemen. This
is a song that warns you in advance, that next year, everybody is
gonna try and sell you things that maybe you shouldn't ought to buy,
and not only that, they've been planning it for years. The name of
this song is (pardon me), Poofters Froth, Wyoming, Plans Ahead.

Poofters Froth, Wyoming,
March Eleven Sixty-Seven
Take a letter, Miss Abetter
as our pigeons will be homin'.

To our jobbers in Dakota
And to Merwyn, Minnesota
This is merely just a note about
Performance to our quota

Well, we've all come out to show dem,
And the Elks have helped us
Load 'em
Little packets full of jackets
Little rackets, little rackets

Little Poofter-Cloth Appointments
Little Pofter's Froth Anointments
Little hoods, little goods
Little doo-dads from the woods

The entire stock is shipping
Oh our shod is hardly slipping
To the markets of the world
Our wrinkled pennants are unfurled!

T-shirt racks, rubber snacks,
Poster rolls with matching tacks
Yes, a special beer for sports
(and aper cups that hold two quarts)

Everything a nation needs
For making hoopla while it feeds
The trash compactos, small reactors,
Mowers, blowers, throwers & the glowers:

This is Buy-Cent-Any-All Salute(HYULK!)
Two hundred years have gone ka-poot!
Ah but we have been astute!
Signed: Anon. - Wyo. Galoot

 

[Alias]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> Alias
> You have stated you are a US citizen.
> Did you vote in the last presidential election?
>

Yes, and I will vote in the next one.

Alias

 

[Michael Solomon]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

"Jeff" <jssparks@spam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>
>> The dollar is not at an all time low. Apparently, you didn't live
>> through the 1070s when interest rates hit a high of 21%, inflation was
>> running at over 10% and unemployment was in the 7% range or more.
>>
>
> What about the great depression?

Not really a fair comparison at least insofar as this discussion is
concerned. First, during the Great Depression, currencies globally
plummeted so the dollar was in line with global currency devaluation.
Second, the cost of goods fell enormously as well. If you had money during
the depression, cost of living was relatively low.
>
>
>> I Agree with most other things you said with regard to problems in this
>> country with the following caveat. In this country, I can speak up about
>> these problems. When I'm ruminating over some of the problems we have
>> here, some of which you enumerated, I think of Hugo Chavez shutting down
>> a television station because he didn't like what it was saying.
>>
>
> Why do you think they are trying to cut funding to PBS?

That's a battle that's gone on for years but again, not a completely apples
for apples comparison as PBS is not private, for profit entity and while it
runs commercials, it is not a commercial enterprise. If it could continue
to acquire funding through subscription and sponsorship, it could continue
to broadcast. In other words, this is a funding argument versus Hugo Chavez
essentially pulling the license or otherwise taking away its right to
broadcast regardless of funding.
>
>
>> The wheels of change grind very slow here but we do still have the power
>> to change things. Some of the problems are institutional as you suggest
>> but when the masses become energized in this country, we have a
>> remarkable capacity to make things happen and that includes change.
>> --
>
> George washington himself said the american people would have to rise up
> against the government everyone 200 years to keep it inline...
>
> Maybe we are overdue?
>
> Jeff
Given what I've seen the Supreme Court do in the last couple of months, I'm
not too enamored with the idea of another revolution. We are so
ideologically divided and filled with such partisanship I can only imagine
how they might shred the constitution. I'd rather continue working within
this framework, flawed though it may be.

--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

Good, I thought otherwise.
You have maintained your griping rights.
I tend to ignore those that shirk that responsibility since they
choose to do nothing when there is a chance to do something.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
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> Yes, and I will vote in the next one.
>
> Alias

 

[Alias]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> Good, I thought otherwise.



> You have maintained your griping rights.



> I tend to ignore those that shirk that responsibility since they choose
> to do nothing when there is a chance to do something.
>

My wife votes in the Spanish elections. My child votes in both the
Spanish and American elections.

Alias

 

[Charlie Tame]

Re: OT Happy Birthday America, July 4th, 1776-2007 !!!

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> Good, I thought otherwise.
> You have maintained your griping rights.
> I tend to ignore those that shirk that responsibility since they choose
> to do nothing when there is a chance to do something.
>

Whilst I understand the reasoning one could argue that if no candidate
satisfies one's wishes then voting for any would be wrong.

Freedom is about choice and compulsory voting could (And would) simply
be used by the richest party to ensure their permanent re election.
Having policies that encourage people to turn out and vote is the
important requirement, and we see evidence all the time that none of the
candidates really has much to offer.