Trouble with new display and Device Manager

PCR · Feb 27, 2008

| "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
| news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> See comments below: $$$
|>
|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> > Warren wrote:
|> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix.
|> >
|> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going to
|> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & select
|> > "Install".
|> >
|> > (1) What happened?
|> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.)
|> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the
|> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager?
|>
|> $$$ They are still both there

Uhuh.

|> > (2) Do this again...
|> >
|> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode
|> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
|> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System,
|> > Device Manager tab"
|> > (c) Open the Monitors branch,
|> > & Remove all entries under it.
|> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode.
|> >
|> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered &
|> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear?
|>
|> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain

That's the procedure that really should be working for this!

|> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button,
|> > Monitor tab"
|> >
|> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon?
|> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.)

You didn't answer. You did see that there?

|> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button.
|> > (c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
|> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box?

Same here.

|> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
|> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently
|> > installed.

At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"?

|> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in
|> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series
|> > selected & highlighted.
|>
|> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the
|> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S"

Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click
ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930,
because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that
requestor!

We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it elsewhere
in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first.

Warren wrote:
| One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on
| building a second monitor is because the video adapter has provision
| for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one
| monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting on
| the video adapter ?

Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the Adapter,
as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad
fearful to do)...

Important: At the point below where you "bolt
'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & right
panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current display
adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it.

.......Quote..........
The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from the
drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button and
click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to
deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is
currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display
Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.

[That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next,
bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard
display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane,
click 'Next'"... PCR]

This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA
adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because
it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get
rid of whatever was there before.

Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches
your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are
using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to
see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct
video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an
adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that
made your video card.

Bill Starbuck (MVP)
.......End....of quote....

|>
|> >
|> > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> > | news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

....snip
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Warren · Feb 27, 2008

Sorry for not responding properly, see additional responses below: &&&

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> |> See comments below: $$$
> |>
> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> |> > Warren wrote:
> |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix.
> |> >
> |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going to
> |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & select
> |> > "Install".
> |> >
> |> > (1) What happened?
> |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.)
> |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the
> |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager?
> |>
> |> $$$ They are still both there
>
> Uhuh.
>
> |> > (2) Do this again...
> |> >
> |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode
> |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
> |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System,
> |> > Device Manager tab"
> |> > (c) Open the Monitors branch,
> |> > & Remove all entries under it.
> |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode.
> |> >
> |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered &
> |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear?
> |>
> |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain
>
> That's the procedure that really should be working for this!
>
> |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button,
> |> > Monitor tab"
> |> >
> |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon?
> |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.)
>
> You didn't answer. You did see that there?

&&& Yes, it shows VP930 Series

> |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button.
> |> > (c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
> |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box?
>
> Same here.

&&& No, only the the first monitor in the list is highlighted

> |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
> |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently
> |> > installed.
>
> At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"?

&&& No

> |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in
> |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series
> |> > selected & highlighted.
> |>
> |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the
> |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S"
>
> Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click
> ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930,
> because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that
> requestor!
>
> We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it elsewhere
> in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first.
>
> Warren wrote:
> | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on
> | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has provision
> | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one
> | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting on
> | the video adapter ?
>
> Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the Adapter,
> as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad
> fearful to do)...

&&& There is a tab in "Display/Settings/Advanced" called "Monitor" which
shows what is connected to the video card. It shows one Monitor

> Important: At the point below where you "bolt
> 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & right
> panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current display
> adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it.
>
> ......Quote..........
> The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
> installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from the
> drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button and
> click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to
> deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is
> currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display
> Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.
>
> [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next,
> bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard
> display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane,
> click 'Next'"... PCR]
>
> This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA
> adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because
> it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get
> rid of whatever was there before.
>
> Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches
> your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are
> using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to
> see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct
> video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an
> adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that
> made your video card.
>
> Bill Starbuck (MVP)
> ......End....of quote....
>
>
> |>
> |> >
> |> > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> > | news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> ...snip
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

Warren · Feb 27, 2008

I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only thing I
didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> |> See comments below: $$$
> |>
> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> |> > Warren wrote:
> |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix.
> |> >
> |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going to
> |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & select
> |> > "Install".
> |> >
> |> > (1) What happened?
> |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.)
> |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the
> |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager?
> |>
> |> $$$ They are still both there
>
> Uhuh.
>
> |> > (2) Do this again...
> |> >
> |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode
> |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
> |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System,
> |> > Device Manager tab"
> |> > (c) Open the Monitors branch,
> |> > & Remove all entries under it.
> |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode.
> |> >
> |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered &
> |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear?
> |>
> |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain
>
> That's the procedure that really should be working for this!
>
> |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button,
> |> > Monitor tab"
> |> >
> |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon?
> |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.)
>
> You didn't answer. You did see that there?
>
> |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button.
> |> > (c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
> |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box?
>
> Same here.
>
> |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
> |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently
> |> > installed.
>
> At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"?
>
> |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in
> |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series
> |> > selected & highlighted.
> |>
> |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the
> |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S"
>
> Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click
> ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930,
> because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that
> requestor!
>
> We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it elsewhere
> in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first.
>
> Warren wrote:
> | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on
> | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has provision
> | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one
> | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting on
> | the video adapter ?
>
> Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the Adapter,
> as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad
> fearful to do)...
>
> Important: At the point below where you "bolt
> 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & right
> panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current display
> adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it.
>
> ......Quote..........
> The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
> installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from the
> drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button and
> click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to
> deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is
> currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display
> Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.
>
> [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next,
> bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard
> display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane,
> click 'Next'"... PCR]
>
> This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA
> adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because
> it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get
> rid of whatever was there before.
>
> Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches
> your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are
> using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to
> see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct
> video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an
> adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that
> made your video card.
>
> Bill Starbuck (MVP)
> ......End....of quote....
>
>
> |>
> |> >
> |> > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> > | news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> ...snip
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

Warren · Feb 28, 2008

I'm a little concerned about going blind, i.e. no display on my monitor,
with this VGA driver. I won't be able to recover from any problems if my
monitor has no picture at all. Lots of scary messages about not
recommending to install this driver.

"Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OOABZdceIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only thing
I
> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > | news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > |> See comments below: $$$
> > |>
> > |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > |> news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > |> > Warren wrote:
> > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix.
> > |> >
> > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going to
> > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & select
> > |> > "Install".
> > |> >
> > |> > (1) What happened?
> > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.)
> > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the
> > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager?
> > |>
> > |> $$$ They are still both there
> >
> > Uhuh.
> >
> > |> > (2) Do this again...
> > |> >
> > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode
> > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
> > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System,
> > |> > Device Manager tab"
> > |> > (c) Open the Monitors branch,
> > |> > & Remove all entries under it.
> > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode.
> > |> >
> > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered &
> > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear?
> > |>
> > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain
> >
> > That's the procedure that really should be working for this!
> >
> > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button,
> > |> > Monitor tab"
> > |> >
> > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon?
> > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.)
> >
> > You didn't answer. You did see that there?
> >
> > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button.
> > |> > (c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
> > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box?
> >
> > Same here.
> >
> > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
> > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently
> > |> > installed.
> >
> > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"?
> >
> > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in
> > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series
> > |> > selected & highlighted.
> > |>
> > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the
> > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S"
> >
> > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click
> > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930,
> > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that
> > requestor!
> >
> > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it elsewhere
> > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first.
> >
> > Warren wrote:
> > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on
> > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has provision
> > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one
> > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting on
> > | the video adapter ?
> >
> > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the Adapter,
> > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad
> > fearful to do)...
> >
> > Important: At the point below where you "bolt
> > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & right
> > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current display
> > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it.
> >
> > ......Quote..........
> > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
> > installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from the
> > drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button and
> > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to
> > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is
> > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display
> > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.
> >
> > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next,
> > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard
> > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane,
> > click 'Next'"... PCR]
> >
> > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA
> > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because
> > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get
> > rid of whatever was there before.
> >
> > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches
> > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are
> > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to
> > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct
> > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an
> > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that
> > made your video card.
> >
> > Bill Starbuck (MVP)
> > ......End....of quote....
> >
> >
> > |>
> > |> >
> > |> > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > |> > | news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >
> > ...snip
> > --
> > Thanks or Good Luck,
> > There may be humor in this post, and,
> > Naturally, you will not sue,
> > Should things get worse after this,
> > PCR
> > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> >
> >
>
>

PCR · Feb 28, 2008

Warren wrote:
| I'm a little concerned about going blind, i.e. no display on my
| monitor, with this VGA driver. I won't be able to recover from any
| problems if my monitor has no picture at all. Lots of scary messages
| about not recommending to install this driver.

I suppose you are speaking of the adapter driver, because I know you've
fearlessly tried stuff with the monitor driver.

| "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
| news:OOABZdceIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only
|> thing I didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?

So... you did try the adapter change to Standard VGA & back-- but you
did not reboot in between? If the change actually happened, you would
have had to notice it. So, I guess a reboot was required.

I don't know what to suggest about that. If you had the capability to do
a full system backup, you wouldn't have to worry as much about big
changes. My machine came with that capability, & I've now replaced it
with another. Maybe start a new thread asking for full system backup
options.

HOWEVER, could be you get away with the standard registry backup for
this operation. That might well restore the machine to your current
adapter, if it won't switch back using that Update Driver requestor. But
I can't swear it!

I'm not a big proponent of a "/Restore", but sometimes it can do amazing
things. Maybe, before trying it, copy your current Registry backup files
to a new folder...

(a) Boot to DOS (hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, &
select "Command Prompt Only")

(b) DIR C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab /od
Shows you the current backups sorted by date. You
should have one for each of the last 5 days you booted,
plus an RBBAD.cab.

(c) MD C:\RegBckup
This makes a new folder named RegBckup on C:.

(d) COPY C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab C:\RegBckup
This copies your Registry backups to the new folder, because the
originals will change as you do the following...

(e) SCANREG /Restore

It will offer five, one for each of the last five separate days you
first booted successfully. (A 2nd boot on the same day won't do it.)
Start with the one of the day the problem began, as these backups
of the entire Registry (& System.ini & Win.ini) are done at boot,
not at shut down.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us183887&Product=w98
Description of the Windows Registry Checker Tool (Scanreg.exe)
(183887) - When you start your computer successfully, the Windows
Registry Checker tool (Scanreg.exe) creates a backup of system files and
registry configuration information (including user account information,
protocol bindings, software program settings, and...

|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

OK, I see you answered more questions elsewhere. I'll respond over
there.

....snip
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Warren · Feb 28, 2008

Okay, I dusted off my copy of Roxio GoBack and went through the entire
process. I selected the same ATI driver as before because it was most
suitable and most current. Unfortunately it seemed to drag all the garbage
with it.

Everything is the same as before.

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:uyHUgfneIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Warren wrote:
> | I'm a little concerned about going blind, i.e. no display on my
> | monitor, with this VGA driver. I won't be able to recover from any
> | problems if my monitor has no picture at all. Lots of scary messages
> | about not recommending to install this driver.
>
> I suppose you are speaking of the adapter driver, because I know you've
> fearlessly tried stuff with the monitor driver.
>
> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | news:OOABZdceIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only
> |> thing I didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
>
> So... you did try the adapter change to Standard VGA & back-- but you
> did not reboot in between? If the change actually happened, you would
> have had to notice it. So, I guess a reboot was required.
>
> I don't know what to suggest about that. If you had the capability to do
> a full system backup, you wouldn't have to worry as much about big
> changes. My machine came with that capability, & I've now replaced it
> with another. Maybe start a new thread asking for full system backup
> options.
>
> HOWEVER, could be you get away with the standard registry backup for
> this operation. That might well restore the machine to your current
> adapter, if it won't switch back using that Update Driver requestor. But
> I can't swear it!
>
> I'm not a big proponent of a "/Restore", but sometimes it can do amazing
> things. Maybe, before trying it, copy your current Registry backup files
> to a new folder...
>
> (a) Boot to DOS (hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, &
> select "Command Prompt Only")
>
> (b) DIR C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab /od
> Shows you the current backups sorted by date. You
> should have one for each of the last 5 days you booted,
> plus an RBBAD.cab.
>
> (c) MD C:\RegBckup
> This makes a new folder named RegBckup on C:.
>
> (d) COPY C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab C:\RegBckup
> This copies your Registry backups to the new folder, because the
> originals will change as you do the following...
>
> (e) SCANREG /Restore
>
> It will offer five, one for each of the last five separate days you
> first booted successfully. (A 2nd boot on the same day won't do it.)
> Start with the one of the day the problem began, as these backups
> of the entire Registry (& System.ini & Win.ini) are done at boot,
> not at shut down.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us183887&Product=w98
> Description of the Windows Registry Checker Tool (Scanreg.exe)
> (183887) - When you start your computer successfully, the Windows
> Registry Checker tool (Scanreg.exe) creates a backup of system files and
> registry configuration information (including user account information,
> protocol bindings, software program settings, and...
>
> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> OK, I see you answered more questions elsewhere. I'll respond over
> there.
>
>
> ...snip
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

PCR · Feb 28, 2008

Warren wrote:
| Sorry for not responding properly, see additional responses below:
| &&&
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
|> | news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> |> See comments below: $$$
|> |>
|> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> |> > Warren wrote:
|> |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix.
|> |> >
|> |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going
|> |> > to Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, &
|> |> > select "Install".
|> |> >
|> |> > (1) What happened?
|> |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.)
|> |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the
|> |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager?
|> |>
|> |> $$$ They are still both there
|>
|> Uhuh.
|>
|> |> > (2) Do this again...
|> |> >
|> |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode
|> |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
|> |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System,
|> |> > Device Manager tab"
|> |> > (c) Open the Monitors branch,
|> |> > & Remove all entries under it.
|> |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode.
|> |> >
|> |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered &
|> |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear?
|> |>
|> |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain
|>
|> That's the procedure that really should be working for this!
|>
|> |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button,
|> |> > Monitor tab"
|> |> >
|> |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon?
|> |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.)
|>
|> You didn't answer. You did see that there?
|
| &&& Yes, it shows VP930 Series

OK. That is right. This is probably sufficient to say you've got the rig
ht monitor installed.

|> |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button.
|> |> > (c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
|> |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box?
|>
|> Same here.
|
| &&& No, only the the first monitor in the list is highlighted

This is at the point where "Show compatible hardware" is bolted, & above
it there is a window labeled "Models". I have only... Envision EN5400e
[8-20-2004]... in that window. Are you seeing...?...

Default Monitor [4-23-1999]
ViewSonic VP930 Series [2-16-2008]

I'm guessing that is what it might be from that MSInfo32 you posted...

ViewSonic VP930 Series
Monitor
Registry Key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\VSCE41B\PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SUBSYS_280
117E
E&REV_01_000800
Alloc resources: None
Forced resources: None
Boot resources: None
Filtered resources: None
Basic resources: None
Driver: Monitor\0000
Driver Date: 2-16-2008
Driver: VP930_Series.ICM
File Size: Driver Not Installed
File Date: Driver Not Installed

Default Monitor
Monitor
This device is disabled.
Registry Key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR\PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SU
BSYS
_280117EE&REV_01_000800_1
Alloc resources: None
Forced resources: None
Boot resources: None
Filtered resources: None
Basic resources: None
Driver: Monitor\0002
Driver Date: 4-23-1999

Too bad I see no way at that Update Driver requestor to remove one of
them right there. We already tried deleting one registry key once. Do
you see where I posted to try it again, along with that monster
key...?...
news:uaU068beIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

If you can find that thread segment, respond to it up there. It's where
I responded twice to a single post of yours.

|> |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
|> |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently
|> |> > installed.
|>
|> At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"?
|
| &&& No

I guess installing VS080114_I19.inf didn't have quite the same effect as
installing MONITR11.inf, or you just didn't click the right thing
afterwards to trigger it. Possibly you had to select ViewSonic VP930
Series instead of Default Monitor at the prior screen, before clicking
to "Show all hardware". (Or it could be my memory fails me as to
precisely when that would happen.)

|> |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in
|> |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series
|> |> > selected & highlighted.
|> |>
|> |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the
|> |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S"
|>
|> Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click
|> ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930,
|> because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that
|> requestor!
|>
|> We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it
|> elsewhere in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first.

Go try those registry deletes. You can export the keys first for safety
&/or rely on a ScanReg /Restore, if things go horribly bad.

|> Warren wrote:
|> | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on
|> | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has
|> | provision for two monitors. I have set the video card for having
|> | only one monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at
|> | this setting on the video adapter ?
|>
|> Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the
|> Adapter, as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might
|> be a tad fearful to do)...
|
| &&& There is a tab in "Display/Settings/Advanced" called "Monitor"
| which shows what is connected to the video card. It shows one Monitor

Right. OK. And it is showing that monitor to be... ViewSonic VP930
Series, as you stated above. Alright.

|> Important: At the point below where you "bolt
|> 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left &
|> right panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current
|> display adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it.
|>
|> ......Quote..........
|> The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
|> installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from the
|> drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button
|> and click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows
|> how to deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter
|> that is currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard
|> Display Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.
|>
|> [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...',
|> Next, bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select
|> '(Standard display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)'
|> in right pane, click 'Next'"... PCR]
|>
|> This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic
|> VGA adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA
|> because it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it
|> is to get rid of whatever was there before.
|>
|> Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that
|> matches your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that
|> you are using now. Examine the materials you received with your
|> computer to see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that
|> contains the correct video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and
|> see if they have an adapter for you to download. Or check the
|> website of the company that made your video card.
|>
|> Bill Starbuck (MVP)
|> ......End....of quote....
|>
|>
|> |>
|> |> >
|> |> > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> > | news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

....snip
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PCR · Feb 28, 2008

Warren wrote:
| Okay, I dusted off my copy of Roxio GoBack and went through the entire
| process.

Very good! That's very important to have a current full system backup!

| I selected the same ATI driver as before because it was most
| suitable and most current. Unfortunately it seemed to drag all the
| garbage with it.
|
| Everything is the same as before.

Too bad. Well, it was only a guess that it was the ATI adapter trying to
hold on to two monitors. But I'm not sure you've done enough...

(a) After reverting to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA),
how many monitors were there?

(b) If still two, did you try removing one?

Using Device Manager maybe in Safe Mode, I would have tried first to
remove the Default Monitor. If that wouldn't go, I'd try to remove the
ViewSonic VP930 Series, or both of them. If neither would go-- that
would definitively prove the ATI adapter isn't the thing holding on to
them.

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uyHUgfneIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> Warren wrote:
|> | I'm a little concerned about going blind, i.e. no display on my
|> | monitor, with this VGA driver. I won't be able to recover from any
|> | problems if my monitor has no picture at all. Lots of scary
|> | messages about not recommending to install this driver.
|>
|> I suppose you are speaking of the adapter driver, because I know
|> you've fearlessly tried stuff with the monitor driver.
|>
|> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
|> | news:OOABZdceIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The
|> |> only thing I didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that
|> |> matter ?
|>
|> So... you did try the adapter change to Standard VGA & back-- but you
|> did not reboot in between? If the change actually happened, you would
|> have had to notice it. So, I guess a reboot was required.
|>
|> I don't know what to suggest about that. If you had the capability
|> to do a full system backup, you wouldn't have to worry as much about
|> big changes. My machine came with that capability, & I've now
|> replaced it with another. Maybe start a new thread asking for full
|> system backup options.
|>
|> HOWEVER, could be you get away with the standard registry backup for
|> this operation. That might well restore the machine to your current
|> adapter, if it won't switch back using that Update Driver requestor.
|> But I can't swear it!
|>
|> I'm not a big proponent of a "/Restore", but sometimes it can do
|> amazing things. Maybe, before trying it, copy your current Registry
|> backup files to a new folder...
|>
|> (a) Boot to DOS (hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, &
|> select "Command Prompt Only")
|>
|> (b) DIR C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab /od
|> Shows you the current backups sorted by date. You
|> should have one for each of the last 5 days you booted,
|> plus an RBBAD.cab.
|>
|> (c) MD C:\RegBckup
|> This makes a new folder named RegBckup on C:.
|>
|> (d) COPY C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab C:\RegBckup
|> This copies your Registry backups to the new folder, because the
|> originals will change as you do the following...
|>
|> (e) SCANREG /Restore
|>
|> It will offer five, one for each of the last five separate days you
|> first booted successfully. (A 2nd boot on the same day won't do it.)
|> Start with the one of the day the problem began, as these backups
|> of the entire Registry (& System.ini & Win.ini) are done at boot,
|> not at shut down.
|>
|>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us183887&Product=w98
|> Description of the Windows Registry Checker Tool (Scanreg.exe)
|> (183887) - When you start your computer successfully, the Windows
|> Registry Checker tool (Scanreg.exe) creates a backup of system files
|> and registry configuration information (including user account
|> information, protocol bindings, software program settings, and...
|>
|> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|>
|> OK, I see you answered more questions elsewhere. I'll respond over
|> there.
|>
|>
|> ...snip
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Lee · Feb 29, 2008

On Feb 27, 10:04 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only thing I
> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
>
> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
>
> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
> > | "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > |news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > |> See comments below: $$$
> > |>
> > |> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > |>news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > |> > Warren wrote:
> > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix.
> > |> >
> > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going to
> > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & select
> > |> > "Install".
> > |> >
> > |> > (1) What happened?
> > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.)
> > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the
> > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager?
> > |>
> > |> $$$ They are still both there
>
> > Uhuh.
>
> > |> > (2) Do this again...
> > |> >
> > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode
> > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
> > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System,
> > |> > Device Manager tab"
> > |> > (c) Open the Monitors branch,
> > |> > & Remove all entries under it.
> > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode.
> > |> >
> > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered &
> > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear?
> > |>
> > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain
>
> > That's the procedure that really should be working for this!
>
> > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button,
> > |> > Monitor tab"
> > |> >
> > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon?
> > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.)
>
> > You didn't answer. You did see that there?
>
> > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button.
> > |> > (c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
> > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box?
>
> > Same here.
>
> > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
> > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently
> > |> > installed.
>
> > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"?
>
> > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in
> > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series
> > |> > selected & highlighted.
> > |>
> > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the
> > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S"
>
> > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click
> > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930,
> > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that
> > requestor!
>
> > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it elsewhere
> > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first.
>
> > Warren wrote:
> > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on
> > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has provision
> > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one
> > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting on
> > | the video adapter ?
>
> > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the Adapter,
> > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad
> > fearful to do)...
>
> > Important: At the point below where you "bolt
> > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & right
> > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current display
> > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it.
>
> > ......Quote..........
> > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
> > installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from the
> > drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button and
> > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to
> > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is
> > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display
> > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.
>
> > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next,
> > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard
> > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane,
> > click 'Next'"... PCR]
>
> > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA
> > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because
> > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get
> > rid of whatever was there before.
>
> > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches
> > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are
> > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to
> > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct
> > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an
> > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that
> > made your video card.
>
> > Bill Starbuck (MVP)
> > ......End....of quote....
>
> > |>
> > |> >
> > |> > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > |> > |news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> > ...snip
> > --
> > Thanks or Good Luck,
> > There may be humor in this post, and,
> > Naturally, you will not sue,
> > Should things get worse after this,
> > PCR
> > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>The only thing I
> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
Rebooting is only the most important part of the whole process. That
and deleting the correct things, take the line below for an example.

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor
\0015

When the hardware item for monitors is properly deleted, the registry
should be missing the entire Monitor key itself along with the 0016
copies of non-functioning monitor bloat in the registry. When you
then reboot, Windows notices that there is NO monitor info (valid or
otherwise) in the registry and sets about looking through the inf
files to install one (or two) that matches the seen hardware pronto.
And this is HOW to do it in the first place. Gee whiz. You can't
just delete the ones you want to or the ones you happen to don't like
- it's not up to you at all. That's why you wound up with so many
because everytime you piddle with it wrong Windows has to chuck all
those monitors and start counting from the last good entry all over
again. Which is why we clear the bloat out of the registry at times
like this.

You can't manually install hardware inf files with a right click. Any
inf file with the word "Base" in it is hands off and you can't get
there from here anyway - so just fugetaboutit. You have only one
option and that is to do it the right way. Remove the hardware from
the Device Mangler and reboot to redetect it and install the proper
files for it. If that doesn't work then you didn't remove enough
hardware the first time around.

The only exception is when custom hardware installation disks require
you to do it the way they say to do it. In such cases - read the
manual and do it how they say.

Warren · Feb 29, 2008

See below

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:O69OVCpeIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Warren wrote:
> | Sorry for not responding properly, see additional responses below:
> | &&&
> |
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> |> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> |> | news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> |> |> See comments below: $$$
> |> |>
> |> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> |> news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> |> |> > Warren wrote:
> |> |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix.
> |> |> >
> |> |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going
> |> |> > to Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, &
> |> |> > select "Install".
> |> |> >
> |> |> > (1) What happened?
> |> |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.)
> |> |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the
> |> |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager?
> |> |>
> |> |> $$$ They are still both there
> |>
> |> Uhuh.
> |>
> |> |> > (2) Do this again...
> |> |> >
> |> |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode
> |> |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
> |> |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System,
> |> |> > Device Manager tab"
> |> |> > (c) Open the Monitors branch,
> |> |> > & Remove all entries under it.
> |> |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode.
> |> |> >
> |> |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered &
> |> |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear?
> |> |>
> |> |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain
> |>
> |> That's the procedure that really should be working for this!
> |>
> |> |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button,
> |> |> > Monitor tab"
> |> |> >
> |> |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon?
> |> |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.)
> |>
> |> You didn't answer. You did see that there?
> |
> | &&& Yes, it shows VP930 Series
>
> OK. That is right. This is probably sufficient to say you've got the rig
> ht monitor installed.
>
> |> |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button.
> |> |> > (c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
> |> |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box?
> |>
> |> Same here.
> |
> | &&& No, only the the first monitor in the list is highlighted
>
> This is at the point where "Show compatible hardware" is bolted, & above
> it there is a window labeled "Models". I have only... Envision EN5400e
> [8-20-2004]... in that window. Are you seeing...?...
>
> Default Monitor [4-23-1999]
> ViewSonic VP930 Series [2-16-2008]

Sorry, I didn't read the correct screen, it shows VP930 Series [2-16-2008] &
VP930 Series [2-14-2008]. The ugly part comes when I try to install either
of these drivers. It wants to load but refuses to read the VP930.ICM file,
no matter where I point to it on the hard drive or CD-ROM.

> I'm guessing that is what it might be from that MSInfo32 you posted...
>
> ViewSonic VP930 Series
> Monitor
> Registry Key:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\VSCE41B\PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SUBSYS_280
> 117E
> E&REV_01_000800
> Alloc resources: None
> Forced resources: None
> Boot resources: None
> Filtered resources: None
> Basic resources: None
> Driver: Monitor\0000
> Driver Date: 2-16-2008
> Driver: VP930_Series.ICM
> File Size: Driver Not Installed
> File Date: Driver Not Installed
>
> Default Monitor
> Monitor
> This device is disabled.
> Registry Key:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR\PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SU
> BSYS
> _280117EE&REV_01_000800_1
> Alloc resources: None
> Forced resources: None
> Boot resources: None
> Filtered resources: None
> Basic resources: None
> Driver: Monitor\0002
> Driver Date: 4-23-1999
>
> Too bad I see no way at that Update Driver requestor to remove one of
> them right there. We already tried deleting one registry key once. Do
> you see where I posted to try it again, along with that monster
> key...?...
> news:uaU068beIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
>
> If you can find that thread segment, respond to it up there. It's where
> I responded twice to a single post of yours.
>
> |> |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
> |> |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently
> |> |> > installed.
> |>
> |> At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"?
> |
> | &&& No
>
> I guess installing VS080114_I19.inf didn't have quite the same effect as
> installing MONITR11.inf, or you just didn't click the right thing
> afterwards to trigger it. Possibly you had to select ViewSonic VP930
> Series instead of Default Monitor at the prior screen, before clicking
> to "Show all hardware". (Or it could be my memory fails me as to
> precisely when that would happen.)
>
> |> |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in
> |> |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series
> |> |> > selected & highlighted.
> |> |>
> |> |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the
> |> |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S"
> |>
> |> Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click
> |> ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930,
> |> because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that
> |> requestor!
> |>
> |> We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it
> |> elsewhere in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first.
>
> Go try those registry deletes. You can export the keys first for safety
> &/or rely on a ScanReg /Restore, if things go horribly bad.
> |> Warren wrote:
> |> | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on
> |> | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has
> |> | provision for two monitors. I have set the video card for having
> |> | only one monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at
> |> | this setting on the video adapter ?
> |>
> |> Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the
> |> Adapter, as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might
> |> be a tad fearful to do)...
> |
> | &&& There is a tab in "Display/Settings/Advanced" called "Monitor"
> | which shows what is connected to the video card. It shows one Monitor
>
> Right. OK. And it is showing that monitor to be... ViewSonic VP930
> Series, as you stated above. Alright.
>
> |> Important: At the point below where you "bolt
> |> 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left &
> |> right panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current
> |> display adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it.
> |>
> |> ......Quote..........
> |> The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
> |> installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from the
> |> drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button
> |> and click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows
> |> how to deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter
> |> that is currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard
> |> Display Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.
> |>
> |> [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...',
> |> Next, bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select
> |> '(Standard display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)'
> |> in right pane, click 'Next'"... PCR]
> |>
> |> This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic
> |> VGA adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA
> |> because it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it
> |> is to get rid of whatever was there before.
> |>
> |> Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that
> |> matches your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that
> |> you are using now. Examine the materials you received with your
> |> computer to see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that
> |> contains the correct video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and
> |> see if they have an adapter for you to download. Or check the
> |> website of the company that made your video card.
> |>
> |> Bill Starbuck (MVP)
> |> ......End....of quote....
> |>
> |>
> |> |>
> |> |> >
> |> |> > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> |> > | news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> ...snip
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

Warren · Feb 29, 2008

I thought of that myself, afterwards, but I was too worried about getting my
display back at all. Now that I know things worked well I will try as you
suggested.

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:eWNghPpeIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Warren wrote:
> | Okay, I dusted off my copy of Roxio GoBack and went through the entire
> | process.
>
> Very good! That's very important to have a current full system backup!
>
> | I selected the same ATI driver as before because it was most
> | suitable and most current. Unfortunately it seemed to drag all the
> | garbage with it.
> |
> | Everything is the same as before.
>
> Too bad. Well, it was only a guess that it was the ATI adapter trying to
> hold on to two monitors. But I'm not sure you've done enough...
>
> (a) After reverting to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA),
> how many monitors were there?
>
> (b) If still two, did you try removing one?
>
> Using Device Manager maybe in Safe Mode, I would have tried first to
> remove the Default Monitor. If that wouldn't go, I'd try to remove the
> ViewSonic VP930 Series, or both of them. If neither would go-- that
> would definitively prove the ATI adapter isn't the thing holding on to
> them.
>
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:uyHUgfneIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> |> Warren wrote:
> |> | I'm a little concerned about going blind, i.e. no display on my
> |> | monitor, with this VGA driver. I won't be able to recover from any
> |> | problems if my monitor has no picture at all. Lots of scary
> |> | messages about not recommending to install this driver.
> |>
> |> I suppose you are speaking of the adapter driver, because I know
> |> you've fearlessly tried stuff with the monitor driver.
> |>
> |> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> |> | news:OOABZdceIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |> |> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The
> |> |> only thing I didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that
> |> |> matter ?
> |>
> |> So... you did try the adapter change to Standard VGA & back-- but you
> |> did not reboot in between? If the change actually happened, you would
> |> have had to notice it. So, I guess a reboot was required.
> |>
> |> I don't know what to suggest about that. If you had the capability
> |> to do a full system backup, you wouldn't have to worry as much about
> |> big changes. My machine came with that capability, & I've now
> |> replaced it with another. Maybe start a new thread asking for full
> |> system backup options.
> |>
> |> HOWEVER, could be you get away with the standard registry backup for
> |> this operation. That might well restore the machine to your current
> |> adapter, if it won't switch back using that Update Driver requestor.
> |> But I can't swear it!
> |>
> |> I'm not a big proponent of a "/Restore", but sometimes it can do
> |> amazing things. Maybe, before trying it, copy your current Registry
> |> backup files to a new folder...
> |>
> |> (a) Boot to DOS (hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, &
> |> select "Command Prompt Only")
> |>
> |> (b) DIR C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab /od
> |> Shows you the current backups sorted by date. You
> |> should have one for each of the last 5 days you booted,
> |> plus an RBBAD.cab.
> |>
> |> (c) MD C:\RegBckup
> |> This makes a new folder named RegBckup on C:.
> |>
> |> (d) COPY C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab C:\RegBckup
> |> This copies your Registry backups to the new folder, because the
> |> originals will change as you do the following...
> |>
> |> (e) SCANREG /Restore
> |>
> |> It will offer five, one for each of the last five separate days you
> |> first booted successfully. (A 2nd boot on the same day won't do it.)
> |> Start with the one of the day the problem began, as these backups
> |> of the entire Registry (& System.ini & Win.ini) are done at boot,
> |> not at shut down.
> |>
> |>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us183887&Product=w98
> |> Description of the Windows Registry Checker Tool (Scanreg.exe)
> |> (183887) - When you start your computer successfully, the Windows
> |> Registry Checker tool (Scanreg.exe) creates a backup of system files
> |> and registry configuration information (including user account
> |> information, protocol bindings, software program settings, and...
> |>
> |> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> |> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> |>
> |> OK, I see you answered more questions elsewhere. I'll respond over
> |> there.
> |>
> |>
> |> ...snip
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

Warren · Feb 29, 2008

Your comments are interesting but I don't understand what you want me to do
in order to completly remove the monitors. I've been trying and I amm
confused as to why I'm at Monitor_16 or whatever. Do you have any specific
instructions on how to delete monitors properly ?

"Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:0de89406-5ce7-4a51-b56b-3d65c765844e@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 27, 10:04 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only thing
I
> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
>
> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
>
> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
> > | "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > |news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > |> See comments below: $$$
> > |>
> > |> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > |>news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > |> > Warren wrote:
> > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix.
> > |> >
> > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going to
> > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & select
> > |> > "Install".
> > |> >
> > |> > (1) What happened?
> > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.)
> > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the
> > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager?
> > |>
> > |> $$$ They are still both there
>
> > Uhuh.
>
> > |> > (2) Do this again...
> > |> >
> > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode
> > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
> > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System,
> > |> > Device Manager tab"
> > |> > (c) Open the Monitors branch,
> > |> > & Remove all entries under it.
> > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode.
> > |> >
> > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered &
> > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear?
> > |>
> > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain
>
> > That's the procedure that really should be working for this!
>
> > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button,
> > |> > Monitor tab"
> > |> >
> > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon?
> > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.)
>
> > You didn't answer. You did see that there?
>
> > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button.
> > |> > (c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
> > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box?
>
> > Same here.
>
> > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
> > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently
> > |> > installed.
>
> > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"?
>
> > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in
> > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series
> > |> > selected & highlighted.
> > |>
> > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the
> > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S"
>
> > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click
> > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930,
> > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that
> > requestor!
>
> > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it elsewhere
> > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first.
>
> > Warren wrote:
> > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on
> > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has provision
> > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one
> > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting on
> > | the video adapter ?
>
> > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the Adapter,
> > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad
> > fearful to do)...
>
> > Important: At the point below where you "bolt
> > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & right
> > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current display
> > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it.
>
> > ......Quote..........
> > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
> > installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from the
> > drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button and
> > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to
> > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is
> > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display
> > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.
>
> > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next,
> > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard
> > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane,
> > click 'Next'"... PCR]
>
> > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA
> > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because
> > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get
> > rid of whatever was there before.
>
> > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches
> > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are
> > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to
> > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct
> > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an
> > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that
> > made your video card.
>
> > Bill Starbuck (MVP)
> > ......End....of quote....
>
> > |>
> > |> >
> > |> > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > |> > |news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> > ...snip
> > --
> > Thanks or Good Luck,
> > There may be humor in this post, and,
> > Naturally, you will not sue,
> > Should things get worse after this,
> > PCR
> > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>The only thing I
> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
Rebooting is only the most important part of the whole process. That
and deleting the correct things, take the line below for an example.

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor
\0015

When the hardware item for monitors is properly deleted, the registry
should be missing the entire Monitor key itself along with the 0016
copies of non-functioning monitor bloat in the registry. When you
then reboot, Windows notices that there is NO monitor info (valid or
otherwise) in the registry and sets about looking through the inf
files to install one (or two) that matches the seen hardware pronto.
And this is HOW to do it in the first place. Gee whiz. You can't
just delete the ones you want to or the ones you happen to don't like
- it's not up to you at all. That's why you wound up with so many
because everytime you piddle with it wrong Windows has to chuck all
those monitors and start counting from the last good entry all over
again. Which is why we clear the bloat out of the registry at times
like this.

You can't manually install hardware inf files with a right click. Any
inf file with the word "Base" in it is hands off and you can't get
there from here anyway - so just fugetaboutit. You have only one
option and that is to do it the right way. Remove the hardware from
the Device Mangler and reboot to redetect it and install the proper
files for it. If that doesn't work then you didn't remove enough
hardware the first time around.

The only exception is when custom hardware installation disks require
you to do it the way they say to do it. In such cases - read the
manual and do it how they say.

PCR · Feb 29, 2008

Warren wrote:
| See below
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:O69OVCpeIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

....snip
|> This is at the point where "Show compatible hardware" is bolted, &
|> above it there is a window labeled "Models". I have only...
|> Envision EN5400e [8-20-2004]... in that window. Are you seeing...?...
|>
|> Default Monitor [4-23-1999]
|> ViewSonic VP930 Series [2-16-2008]
|
| Sorry, I didn't read the correct screen, it shows VP930 Series
| [2-16-2008] & VP930 Series [2-14-2008]. The ugly part comes when I
| try to install either of these drivers. It wants to load but refuses
| to read the VP930.ICM file, no matter where I point to it on the hard
| drive or CD-ROM.

I see. And your MSInfo32 still shows just one of those & the Default
Monitor...?...

ViewSonic VP930 Series
Monitor
Registry Key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\VSCE41B\PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SUBSYS_280
117EE&REV_01_000800
Alloc resources: None
Forced resources: None
Boot resources: None
Filtered resources: None
Basic resources: None
Driver: Monitor\0000
Driver Date: 2-16-2008
Driver: VP930_Series.ICM
File Size: Driver Not Installed
File Date: Driver Not Installed

Default Monitor
Monitor
This device is disabled.
Registry Key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\DEFAULT_MONITOR\PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SU
BSYS_280117EE&REV_01_000800_1
Alloc resources: None
Forced resources: None
Boot resources: None
Filtered resources: None
Basic resources: None
Driver: Monitor\0002
Driver Date: 4-23-1999

I think you can risk the registry key deletes...
news:uaU068beIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

You know how to export & restore them, if the deletes go bad. Also, I
posted how to do a ScanReg /Restore, not to mention you now have a
refreshed full system backup.

When you get to this key...

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor

...., to see the nodes under it, click the plus left of "Monitor". Then,
R-Clk & delete the unwanted ones, keeping just the 0000 node (if it
still is one of the ViewSonic VP930 Series entries).

OR, fine, try as Lee said-- R-Clk "Monitor" in the left pane, export &
then delete it. That gets them all! Maybe, first, just click "Monitor"
to highlight it, & use the Edit menu to export it.

....snip
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PCR · Feb 29, 2008

Warren wrote:
| I thought of that myself, afterwards, but I was too worried about
| getting my display back at all. Now that I know things worked well I
| will try as you suggested.

Yes. Try this first. If it fails, then do the registry deletes.

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:eWNghPpeIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> Warren wrote:
|> | Okay, I dusted off my copy of Roxio GoBack and went through the
|> | entire process.
|>
|> Very good! That's very important to have a current full system
|> backup!
|>
|> | I selected the same ATI driver as before because it was most
|> | suitable and most current. Unfortunately it seemed to drag all the
|> | garbage with it.
|> |
|> | Everything is the same as before.
|>
|> Too bad. Well, it was only a guess that it was the ATI adapter
|> trying to hold on to two monitors. But I'm not sure you've done
|> enough...
|>
|> (a) After reverting to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA),
|> how many monitors were there?
|>
|> (b) If still two, did you try removing one?
|>
|> Using Device Manager maybe in Safe Mode, I would have tried first to
|> remove the Default Monitor. If that wouldn't go, I'd try to remove
|> the ViewSonic VP930 Series, or both of them. If neither would go--
|> that would definitively prove the ATI adapter isn't the thing
|> holding on to them.
|>
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:uyHUgfneIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> |> Warren wrote:
|> |> | I'm a little concerned about going blind, i.e. no display on my
|> |> | monitor, with this VGA driver. I won't be able to recover from
|> |> | any problems if my monitor has no picture at all. Lots of scary
|> |> | messages about not recommending to install this driver.
|> |>
|> |> I suppose you are speaking of the adapter driver, because I know
|> |> you've fearlessly tried stuff with the monitor driver.
|> |>
|> |> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
|> |> | news:OOABZdceIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The
|> |> |> only thing I didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does
|> |> |> that matter ?
|> |>
|> |> So... you did try the adapter change to Standard VGA & back-- but
|> |> you did not reboot in between? If the change actually happened,
|> |> you would have had to notice it. So, I guess a reboot was
|> |> required.
|> |>
|> |> I don't know what to suggest about that. If you had the capability
|> |> to do a full system backup, you wouldn't have to worry as much
|> |> about big changes. My machine came with that capability, & I've
|> |> now replaced it with another. Maybe start a new thread asking for
|> |> full system backup options.
|> |>
|> |> HOWEVER, could be you get away with the standard registry backup
|> |> for this operation. That might well restore the machine to your
|> |> current adapter, if it won't switch back using that Update Driver
|> |> requestor. But I can't swear it!
|> |>
|> |> I'm not a big proponent of a "/Restore", but sometimes it can do
|> |> amazing things. Maybe, before trying it, copy your current
|> |> Registry backup files to a new folder...
|> |>
|> |> (a) Boot to DOS (hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, &
|> |> select "Command Prompt Only")
|> |>
|> |> (b) DIR C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab /od
|> |> Shows you the current backups sorted by date. You
|> |> should have one for each of the last 5 days you booted,
|> |> plus an RBBAD.cab.
|> |>
|> |> (c) MD C:\RegBckup
|> |> This makes a new folder named RegBckup on C:.
|> |>
|> |> (d) COPY C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab C:\RegBckup
|> |> This copies your Registry backups to the new folder, because
|> |> the originals will change as you do the following...
|> |>
|> |> (e) SCANREG /Restore
|> |>
|> |> It will offer five, one for each of the last five separate days
|> |> you first booted successfully. (A 2nd boot on the same day won't
|> |> do it.) Start with the one of the day the problem began, as these
|> |> backups
|> |> of the entire Registry (& System.ini & Win.ini) are done at boot,
|> |> not at shut down.
|> |>
|> |>
|>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us183887&Product=w98
|> |> Description of the Windows Registry Checker Tool (Scanreg.exe)
|> |> (183887) - When you start your computer successfully, the Windows
|> |> Registry Checker tool (Scanreg.exe) creates a backup of system
|> |> files and registry configuration information (including user
|> |> account information, protocol bindings, software program
|> |> settings, and...
|> |>
|> |> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> |> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> |>
|> |> OK, I see you answered more questions elsewhere. I'll respond over
|> |> there.
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> ...snip
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Warren · Feb 29, 2008

See comments below"

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:eWNghPpeIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Warren wrote:
> | Okay, I dusted off my copy of Roxio GoBack and went through the entire
> | process.
>
> Very good! That's very important to have a current full system backup!
>
> | I selected the same ATI driver as before because it was most
> | suitable and most current. Unfortunately it seemed to drag all the
> | garbage with it.
> |
> | Everything is the same as before.
>
> Too bad. Well, it was only a guess that it was the ATI adapter trying to
> hold on to two monitors. But I'm not sure you've done enough...
>
> (a) After reverting to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA),
> how many monitors were there?

There were still two displays

> (b) If still two, did you try removing one?

Yes I did remove the "Default Monitor" in Safe Mode and then rebooted. The
"Defaulty Monitor" remained gone.

I then changed back to the correct video adapter driver and rebooted. An
"Unkown" device was detecting and the "Default Monitor" was instaaled
> Using Device Manager maybe in Safe Mode, I would have tried first to
> remove the Default Monitor. If that wouldn't go, I'd try to remove the
> ViewSonic VP930 Series, or both of them. If neither would go-- that
> would definitively prove the ATI adapter isn't the thing holding on to
> them.
>
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:uyHUgfneIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> |> Warren wrote:
> |> | I'm a little concerned about going blind, i.e. no display on my
> |> | monitor, with this VGA driver. I won't be able to recover from any
> |> | problems if my monitor has no picture at all. Lots of scary
> |> | messages about not recommending to install this driver.
> |>
> |> I suppose you are speaking of the adapter driver, because I know
> |> you've fearlessly tried stuff with the monitor driver.
> |>
> |> | "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> |> | news:OOABZdceIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |> |> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The
> |> |> only thing I didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that
> |> |> matter ?
> |>
> |> So... you did try the adapter change to Standard VGA & back-- but you
> |> did not reboot in between? If the change actually happened, you would
> |> have had to notice it. So, I guess a reboot was required.
> |>
> |> I don't know what to suggest about that. If you had the capability
> |> to do a full system backup, you wouldn't have to worry as much about
> |> big changes. My machine came with that capability, & I've now
> |> replaced it with another. Maybe start a new thread asking for full
> |> system backup options.
> |>
> |> HOWEVER, could be you get away with the standard registry backup for
> |> this operation. That might well restore the machine to your current
> |> adapter, if it won't switch back using that Update Driver requestor.
> |> But I can't swear it!
> |>
> |> I'm not a big proponent of a "/Restore", but sometimes it can do
> |> amazing things. Maybe, before trying it, copy your current Registry
> |> backup files to a new folder...
> |>
> |> (a) Boot to DOS (hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, &
> |> select "Command Prompt Only")
> |>
> |> (b) DIR C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab /od
> |> Shows you the current backups sorted by date. You
> |> should have one for each of the last 5 days you booted,
> |> plus an RBBAD.cab.
> |>
> |> (c) MD C:\RegBckup
> |> This makes a new folder named RegBckup on C:.
> |>
> |> (d) COPY C:\Windows\Sysbckup\RB???.cab C:\RegBckup
> |> This copies your Registry backups to the new folder, because the
> |> originals will change as you do the following...
> |>
> |> (e) SCANREG /Restore
> |>
> |> It will offer five, one for each of the last five separate days you
> |> first booted successfully. (A 2nd boot on the same day won't do it.)
> |> Start with the one of the day the problem began, as these backups
> |> of the entire Registry (& System.ini & Win.ini) are done at boot,
> |> not at shut down.
> |>
> |>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us183887&Product=w98
> |> Description of the Windows Registry Checker Tool (Scanreg.exe)
> |> (183887) - When you start your computer successfully, the Windows
> |> Registry Checker tool (Scanreg.exe) creates a backup of system files
> |> and registry configuration information (including user account
> |> information, protocol bindings, software program settings, and...
> |>
> |> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> |> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> |>
> |> OK, I see you answered more questions elsewhere. I'll respond over
> |> there.
> |>
> |>
> |> ...snip
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

Gary S. Terhune · Mar 2, 2008

Warren,

Does your monitor look right? Does it behave properly. Anything wrong that
you can describe (or even anything wrong that you can't put your finger on?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:efjA9zseIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Your comments are interesting but I don't understand what you want me to
> do
> in order to completly remove the monitors. I've been trying and I amm
> confused as to why I'm at Monitor_16 or whatever. Do you have any
> specific
> instructions on how to delete monitors properly ?
>
> "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:0de89406-5ce7-4a51-b56b-3d65c765844e@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 27, 10:04 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only thing
> I
>> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
>>
>> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>
>> > | "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> > |news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> > |> See comments below: $$$
>> > |>
>> > |> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> > |>news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> > |> > Warren wrote:
>> > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix.
>> > |> >
>> > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going to
>> > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, & select
>> > |> > "Install".
>> > |> >
>> > |> > (1) What happened?
>> > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.)
>> > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the
>> > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager?
>> > |>
>> > |> $$$ They are still both there
>>
>> > Uhuh.
>>
>> > |> > (2) Do this again...
>> > |> >
>> > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode
>> > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
>> > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System,
>> > |> > Device Manager tab"
>> > |> > (c) Open the Monitors branch,
>> > |> > & Remove all entries under it.
>> > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode.
>> > |> >
>> > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered &
>> > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear?
>> > |>
>> > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain
>>
>> > That's the procedure that really should be working for this!
>>
>> > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button,
>> > |> > Monitor tab"
>> > |> >
>> > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon?
>> > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.)
>>
>> > You didn't answer. You did see that there?
>>
>> > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button.
>> > |> > (c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
>> > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box?
>>
>> > Same here.
>>
>> > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
>> > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently
>> > |> > installed.
>>
>> > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"?
>>
>> > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in
>> > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series
>> > |> > selected & highlighted.
>> > |>
>> > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the
>> > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S"
>>
>> > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click
>> > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930,
>> > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that
>> > requestor!
>>
>> > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it elsewhere
>> > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first.
>>
>> > Warren wrote:
>> > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on
>> > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has provision
>> > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one
>> > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting on
>> > | the video adapter ?
>>
>> > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the Adapter,
>> > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad
>> > fearful to do)...
>>
>> > Important: At the point below where you "bolt
>> > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left & right
>> > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current display
>> > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it.
>>
>> > ......Quote..........
>> > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
>> > installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from the
>> > drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button and
>> > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to
>> > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is
>> > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display
>> > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.
>>
>> > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next,
>> > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard
>> > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane,
>> > click 'Next'"... PCR]
>>
>> > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA
>> > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because
>> > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get
>> > rid of whatever was there before.
>>
>> > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches
>> > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are
>> > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to
>> > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct
>> > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an
>> > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that
>> > made your video card.
>>
>> > Bill Starbuck (MVP)
>> > ......End....of quote....
>>
>> > |>
>> > |> >
>> > |> > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> > |> > |news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> > ...snip
>> > --
>> > Thanks or Good Luck,
>> > There may be humor in this post, and,
>> > Naturally, you will not sue,
>> > Should things get worse after this,
>> > PCR
>> > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>>The only thing I
>> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
> Rebooting is only the most important part of the whole process. That
> and deleting the correct things, take the line below for an example.
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor
> \0015
>
> When the hardware item for monitors is properly deleted, the registry
> should be missing the entire Monitor key itself along with the 0016
> copies of non-functioning monitor bloat in the registry. When you
> then reboot, Windows notices that there is NO monitor info (valid or
> otherwise) in the registry and sets about looking through the inf
> files to install one (or two) that matches the seen hardware pronto.
> And this is HOW to do it in the first place. Gee whiz. You can't
> just delete the ones you want to or the ones you happen to don't like
> - it's not up to you at all. That's why you wound up with so many
> because everytime you piddle with it wrong Windows has to chuck all
> those monitors and start counting from the last good entry all over
> again. Which is why we clear the bloat out of the registry at times
> like this.
>
> You can't manually install hardware inf files with a right click. Any
> inf file with the word "Base" in it is hands off and you can't get
> there from here anyway - so just fugetaboutit. You have only one
> option and that is to do it the right way. Remove the hardware from
> the Device Mangler and reboot to redetect it and install the proper
> files for it. If that doesn't work then you didn't remove enough
> hardware the first time around.
>
> The only exception is when custom hardware installation disks require
> you to do it the way they say to do it. In such cases - read the
> manual and do it how they say.
>
>

Warren · Mar 2, 2008

Yes, everything looks good except the Device Manager and it's ugly behaviour
with the ICM and the extra Default Monitor attached to the video adapter. I
think I've exhausted any doubt that it can not get any better with Windows
98SE. I guess that's to be expected with unsigned drivers, which is all
that is available for Windows 98SE..

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:uEPAKFMfIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Warren,
>
> Does your monitor look right? Does it behave properly. Anything wrong that
> you can describe (or even anything wrong that you can't put your finger
on?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:efjA9zseIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Your comments are interesting but I don't understand what you want me to
> > do
> > in order to completly remove the monitors. I've been trying and I amm
> > confused as to why I'm at Monitor_16 or whatever. Do you have any
> > specific
> > instructions on how to delete monitors properly ?
> >
> > "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> >
news:0de89406-5ce7-4a51-b56b-3d65c765844e@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 27, 10:04 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only
thing
> > I
> >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
> >>
> >> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > | "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> > |news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> > |> See comments below: $$$
> >> > |>
> >> > |> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> >> > |>news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> > |> > Warren wrote:
> >> > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix.
> >> > |> >
> >> > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going
to
> >> > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, &
select
> >> > |> > "Install".
> >> > |> >
> >> > |> > (1) What happened?
> >> > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.)
> >> > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the
> >> > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager?
> >> > |>
> >> > |> $$$ They are still both there
> >>
> >> > Uhuh.
> >>
> >> > |> > (2) Do this again...
> >> > |> >
> >> > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode
> >> > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
> >> > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System,
> >> > |> > Device Manager tab"
> >> > |> > (c) Open the Monitors branch,
> >> > |> > & Remove all entries under it.
> >> > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode.
> >> > |> >
> >> > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered &
> >> > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear?
> >> > |>
> >> > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain
> >>
> >> > That's the procedure that really should be working for this!
> >>
> >> > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button,
> >> > |> > Monitor tab"
> >> > |> >
> >> > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon?
> >> > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.)
> >>
> >> > You didn't answer. You did see that there?
> >>
> >> > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button.
> >> > |> > (c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
> >> > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box?
> >>
> >> > Same here.
> >>
> >> > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
> >> > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently
> >> > |> > installed.
> >>
> >> > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information database"?
> >>
> >> > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, & in
> >> > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series
> >> > |> > selected & highlighted.
> >> > |>
> >> > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the
> >> > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S"
> >>
> >> > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click
> >> > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930,
> >> > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that
> >> > requestor!
> >>
> >> > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it
elsewhere
> >> > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first.
> >>
> >> > Warren wrote:
> >> > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting on
> >> > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has
provision
> >> > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one
> >> > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting
on
> >> > | the video adapter ?
> >>
> >> > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the
Adapter,
> >> > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad
> >> > fearful to do)...
> >>
> >> > Important: At the point below where you "bolt
> >> > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left &
right
> >> > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current
display
> >> > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it.
> >>
> >> > ......Quote..........
> >> > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
> >> > installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from the
> >> > drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button
and
> >> > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to
> >> > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is
> >> > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display
> >> > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.
> >>
> >> > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next,
> >> > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard
> >> > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right
pane,
> >> > click 'Next'"... PCR]
> >>
> >> > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic
VGA
> >> > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA
because
> >> > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to
get
> >> > rid of whatever was there before.
> >>
> >> > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that
matches
> >> > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are
> >> > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to
> >> > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct
> >> > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an
> >> > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that
> >> > made your video card.
> >>
> >> > Bill Starbuck (MVP)
> >> > ......End....of quote....
> >>
> >> > |>
> >> > |> >
> >> > |> > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> >> > |> > |news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>
> >> > ...snip
> >> > --
> >> > Thanks or Good Luck,
> >> > There may be humor in this post, and,
> >> > Naturally, you will not sue,
> >> > Should things get worse after this,
> >> > PCR
> >> > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >> - Show quoted text -
> >
> >>The only thing I
> >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
> > Rebooting is only the most important part of the whole process. That
> > and deleting the correct things, take the line below for an example.
> >
> > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor
> > \0015
> >
> > When the hardware item for monitors is properly deleted, the registry
> > should be missing the entire Monitor key itself along with the 0016
> > copies of non-functioning monitor bloat in the registry. When you
> > then reboot, Windows notices that there is NO monitor info (valid or
> > otherwise) in the registry and sets about looking through the inf
> > files to install one (or two) that matches the seen hardware pronto.
> > And this is HOW to do it in the first place. Gee whiz. You can't
> > just delete the ones you want to or the ones you happen to don't like
> > - it's not up to you at all. That's why you wound up with so many
> > because everytime you piddle with it wrong Windows has to chuck all
> > those monitors and start counting from the last good entry all over
> > again. Which is why we clear the bloat out of the registry at times
> > like this.
> >
> > You can't manually install hardware inf files with a right click. Any
> > inf file with the word "Base" in it is hands off and you can't get
> > there from here anyway - so just fugetaboutit. You have only one
> > option and that is to do it the right way. Remove the hardware from
> > the Device Mangler and reboot to redetect it and install the proper
> > files for it. If that doesn't work then you didn't remove enough
> > hardware the first time around.
> >
> > The only exception is when custom hardware installation disks require
> > you to do it the way they say to do it. In such cases - read the
> > manual and do it how they say.
> >
> >
>

Gary S. Terhune · Mar 2, 2008

Unsigned, signed, no diff, really.

Let's see if we can go over this one more time:
You have a video adapter with dual monitor capability, but only one monitor.
Is that correct? Is it a new adapter?

Or is the monitor (NOT "display") that's new and you are having a difficult
time getting it right?

Have you removed ALL monitors and ALL video adapters? and then reinstalled?,
adapter first?

If this is a dual monitor adapter, have you looked in the instructions to
see if there's a way to turn it back into a single-monitor adapter?

Did you try the first three replies to your post?

It is NOT unusual to see Default Monitor installed alongside the more up to
date drivers --- I sometimes wonder if it isn't NEEDED for certain types of
installations.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OzQq8yMfIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Yes, everything looks good except the Device Manager and it's ugly
> behaviour
> with the ICM and the extra Default Monitor attached to the video adapter.
> I
> think I've exhausted any doubt that it can not get any better with Windows
> 98SE. I guess that's to be expected with unsigned drivers, which is all
> that is available for Windows 98SE..
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:uEPAKFMfIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Warren,
>>
>> Does your monitor look right? Does it behave properly. Anything wrong
>> that
>> you can describe (or even anything wrong that you can't put your finger
> on?
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:efjA9zseIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > Your comments are interesting but I don't understand what you want me
>> > to
>> > do
>> > in order to completly remove the monitors. I've been trying and I amm
>> > confused as to why I'm at Monitor_16 or whatever. Do you have any
>> > specific
>> > instructions on how to delete monitors properly ?
>> >
>> > "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>> >
> news:0de89406-5ce7-4a51-b56b-3d65c765844e@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Feb 27, 10:04 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only
> thing
>> > I
>> >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
>> >>
>> >> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > | "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> > |news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >> > |> See comments below: $$$
>> >> > |>
>> >> > |> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> >> > |>news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> > |> > Warren wrote:
>> >> > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix.
>> >> > |> >
>> >> > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame going
> to
>> >> > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, &
> select
>> >> > |> > "Install".
>> >> > |> >
>> >> > |> > (1) What happened?
>> >> > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.)
>> >> > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the
>> >> > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager?
>> >> > |>
>> >> > |> $$$ They are still both there
>> >>
>> >> > Uhuh.
>> >>
>> >> > |> > (2) Do this again...
>> >> > |> >
>> >> > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode
>> >> > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
>> >> > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System,
>> >> > |> > Device Manager tab"
>> >> > |> > (c) Open the Monitors branch,
>> >> > |> > & Remove all entries under it.
>> >> > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode.
>> >> > |> >
>> >> > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered &
>> >> > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear?
>> >> > |>
>> >> > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain
>> >>
>> >> > That's the procedure that really should be working for this!
>> >>
>> >> > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button,
>> >> > |> > Monitor tab"
>> >> > |> >
>> >> > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon?
>> >> > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.)
>> >>
>> >> > You didn't answer. You did see that there?
>> >>
>> >> > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button.
>> >> > |> > (c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
>> >> > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box?
>> >>
>> >> > Same here.
>> >>
>> >> > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
>> >> > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently
>> >> > |> > installed.
>> >>
>> >> > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information
>> >> > database"?
>> >>
>> >> > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, &
>> >> > in
>> >> > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930 Series
>> >> > |> > selected & highlighted.
>> >> > |>
>> >> > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the
>> >> > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S"
>> >>
>> >> > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click
>> >> > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930,
>> >> > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that
>> >> > requestor!
>> >>
>> >> > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it
> elsewhere
>> >> > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first.
>> >>
>> >> > Warren wrote:
>> >> > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting
>> >> > on
>> >> > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has
> provision
>> >> > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one
>> >> > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this setting
> on
>> >> > | the video adapter ?
>> >>
>> >> > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the
> Adapter,
>> >> > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a tad
>> >> > fearful to do)...
>> >>
>> >> > Important: At the point below where you "bolt
>> >> > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left &
> right
>> >> > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current
> display
>> >> > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it.
>> >>
>> >> > ......Quote..........
>> >> > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
>> >> > installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from the
>> >> > drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button
> and
>> >> > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how
>> >> > to
>> >> > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is
>> >> > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display
>> >> > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.
>> >>
>> >> > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...',
>> >> > Next,
>> >> > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard
>> >> > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right
> pane,
>> >> > click 'Next'"... PCR]
>> >>
>> >> > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic
> VGA
>> >> > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA
> because
>> >> > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to
> get
>> >> > rid of whatever was there before.
>> >>
>> >> > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that
> matches
>> >> > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are
>> >> > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to
>> >> > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the
>> >> > correct
>> >> > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an
>> >> > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company
>> >> > that
>> >> > made your video card.
>> >>
>> >> > Bill Starbuck (MVP)
>> >> > ......End....of quote....
>> >>
>> >> > |>
>> >> > |> >
>> >> > |> > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> >> > |> > |news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >>
>> >> > ...snip
>> >> > --
>> >> > Thanks or Good Luck,
>> >> > There may be humor in this post, and,
>> >> > Naturally, you will not sue,
>> >> > Should things get worse after this,
>> >> > PCR
>> >> > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text -
>> >>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>> >
>> >>The only thing I
>> >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
>> > Rebooting is only the most important part of the whole process. That
>> > and deleting the correct things, take the line below for an example.
>> >
>> > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor
>> > \0015
>> >
>> > When the hardware item for monitors is properly deleted, the registry
>> > should be missing the entire Monitor key itself along with the 0016
>> > copies of non-functioning monitor bloat in the registry. When you
>> > then reboot, Windows notices that there is NO monitor info (valid or
>> > otherwise) in the registry and sets about looking through the inf
>> > files to install one (or two) that matches the seen hardware pronto.
>> > And this is HOW to do it in the first place. Gee whiz. You can't
>> > just delete the ones you want to or the ones you happen to don't like
>> > - it's not up to you at all. That's why you wound up with so many
>> > because everytime you piddle with it wrong Windows has to chuck all
>> > those monitors and start counting from the last good entry all over
>> > again. Which is why we clear the bloat out of the registry at times
>> > like this.
>> >
>> > You can't manually install hardware inf files with a right click. Any
>> > inf file with the word "Base" in it is hands off and you can't get
>> > there from here anyway - so just fugetaboutit. You have only one
>> > option and that is to do it the right way. Remove the hardware from
>> > the Device Mangler and reboot to redetect it and install the proper
>> > files for it. If that doesn't work then you didn't remove enough
>> > hardware the first time around.
>> >
>> > The only exception is when custom hardware installation disks require
>> > you to do it the way they say to do it. In such cases - read the
>> > manual and do it how they say.
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

PCR · Mar 2, 2008

Warren wrote:
| See comments below"
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:eWNghPpeIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> Warren wrote:
|> | Okay, I dusted off my copy of Roxio GoBack and went through the
|> | entire process.
|>
|> Very good! That's very important to have a current full system
|> backup!
|>
|> | I selected the same ATI driver as before because it was most
|> | suitable and most current. Unfortunately it seemed to drag all the
|> | garbage with it.
|> |
|> | Everything is the same as before.
|>
|> Too bad. Well, it was only a guess that it was the ATI adapter
|> trying to hold on to two monitors. But I'm not sure you've done
|> enough...
|>
|> (a) After reverting to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA),
|> how many monitors were there?
|
| There were still two displays
|
|> (b) If still two, did you try removing one?
|
| Yes I did remove the "Default Monitor" in Safe Mode and then
| rebooted. The "Defaulty Monitor" remained gone.
|
| I then changed back to the correct video adapter driver and rebooted.
| An "Unkown" device was detecting and the "Default Monitor" was
| instaaled

That's interesting that the Default Monitor was able to be removed when
you reverted to the Standard Display Adapter (VGA). Then, it came back
when you reinstated the ATI Adapter. I see Terhune has become involved,
& it may be wise to let him have a shot. Tell him the exact name of your
Adapter. Maybe post your MSInfo32 information again-- this time
including the Adapter information...

"START button, Run, MSInfo32, Components, Display"
Use the Edit menu to select all, copy, & then post it. Here is mine...

Trident Blade3D/MVP4 (63)
Display
Registry Key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\PCI\VEN_1023&DEV_8400&SUBSYS_B1AB0E11&REV_5C\000
800
Alloc resources: Logical Configuration 0
IRQ: 3 Mask: xFFFF
....snip of IO & Memory Address Ranges....
Forced resources: None
Boot resources: None
Filtered resources: Logical Configuration 0
IRQ: 3 Mask: xFFFF
....snip of IO & Memory Address Ranges....
Basic resources: Logical Configuration 0
IRQ: 0 Mask: xFFFF
....snip of IO & Memory Address Ranges....
HW Revision: 092
....snip of numerous drivers...

Envision EN5400e
Monitor
Registry Key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\MONITOR\EPIE564\PCI_VEN_1023&DEV_8400&SUBSYS_B1A
B0E11&REV_5C_000800
Alloc resources: None
Forced resources: None
Boot resources: None
Filtered resources: None
Basic resources: None
Driver: Monitor\0000
Driver Date: 8-20-2004
Driver: EN5400e.icm
File Size: Driver Not Installed
File Date: Driver Not Installed

Maybe try those registry deletes I've posted, including that real big
one...
news:OCSbgi0eIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

|> Using Device Manager maybe in Safe Mode, I would have tried first to
|> remove the Default Monitor. If that wouldn't go, I'd try to remove
|> the ViewSonic VP930 Series, or both of them. If neither would go--
|> that would definitively prove the ATI adapter isn't the thing
|> holding on to them.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Warren · Mar 2, 2008

See comments below:

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:OqRi97MfIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Unsigned, signed, no diff, really.
>
> Let's see if we can go over this one more time:
> You have a video adapter with dual monitor capability, but only one
monitor.
> Is that correct? Is it a new adapter?

I've had the video adapter (ATI 9200 Radeon) quite some time, the Viewsonic
VP930b monitor was new to the system. I have updated the drivers for the
video adapter on several occassions.

> Or is the monitor (NOT "display") that's new and you are having a
difficult
> time getting it right?

The supplied Win98 drivers on the CD-ROM would not install. I downloaded
the Unsigned driver pack from Viewsonic site, and the Monitor picked up
drivers on it's own. An unknown device was detected on the video adapter
and a Default Monitor was also installed.

> Have you removed ALL monitors and ALL video adapters? and then
reinstalled?,
> adapter first?

Yes I've removed all monitors & adapters in device manager and then
rebooted, but everything stays the same.

> If this is a dual monitor adapter, have you looked in the instructions to
> see if there's a way to turn it back into a single-monitor adapter?

I have set the video adapter to dingle display mode.

> Did you try the first three replies to your post?

Yes, if you are asking if I disabled the Default Monitor

> It is NOT unusual to see Default Monitor installed alongside the more up
to
> date drivers --- I sometimes wonder if it isn't NEEDED for certain types
of
> installations.
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OzQq8yMfIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Yes, everything looks good except the Device Manager and it's ugly
> > behaviour
> > with the ICM and the extra Default Monitor attached to the video
adapter.
> > I
> > think I've exhausted any doubt that it can not get any better with
Windows
> > 98SE. I guess that's to be expected with unsigned drivers, which is all
> > that is available for Windows 98SE..
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> > news:uEPAKFMfIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> Warren,
> >>
> >> Does your monitor look right? Does it behave properly. Anything wrong
> >> that
> >> you can describe (or even anything wrong that you can't put your finger
> > on?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary S. Terhune
> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
> >> www.grystmill.com
> >>
> >> "Warren" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:efjA9zseIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> > Your comments are interesting but I don't understand what you want me
> >> > to
> >> > do
> >> > in order to completly remove the monitors. I've been trying and I
amm
> >> > confused as to why I'm at Monitor_16 or whatever. Do you have any
> >> > specific
> >> > instructions on how to delete monitors properly ?
> >> >
> >> > "Lee" <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> >> >
> >
news:0de89406-5ce7-4a51-b56b-3d65c765844e@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> >> > On Feb 27, 10:04 pm, "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >> I swapped drivers, it was kind of scary, but it came back. The only
> > thing
> >> > I
> >> >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
> >> >>
> >> >> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> >> >>
> >> >> news:%23MRE$8beIHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > | "Warren" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > |news:eaekKAPeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > |> See comments below: $$$
> >> >> > |>
> >> >> > |> "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> >> >> > |>news:%23AFw64MeIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > |> > Warren wrote:
> >> >> > |> > | Thanks PCR,that solved the problem perfectly. Good fix.
> >> >> > |> >
> >> >> > |> > You are welcome. So... on Brian A.'s head & 1/3 the blame
going
> > to
> >> >> > |> > Badour... go on and R-Clk that monster VS080114_I19.inf, &
> > select
> >> >> > |> > "Install".
> >> >> > |> >
> >> >> > |> > (1) What happened?
> >> >> > |> > (There's a chance you get no feedback.)
> >> >> > |> > But do you still have both a Default Monitor & the
> >> >> > |> > ViewSonic VP930 Series showing in Device Manager?
> >> >> > |>
> >> >> > |> $$$ They are still both there
> >> >>
> >> >> > Uhuh.
> >> >>
> >> >> > |> > (2) Do this again...
> >> >> > |> >
> >> >> > |> > (a) Boot to Safe Mode
> >> >> > |> > (Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
> >> >> > |> > (b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System,
> >> >> > |> > Device Manager tab"
> >> >> > |> > (c) Open the Monitors branch,
> >> >> > |> > & Remove all entries under it.
> >> >> > |> > (d) Boot to Normal Mode.
> >> >> > |> >
> >> >> > |> > Is the ViewSonic VP930 Series monitor rediscovered &
> >> >> > |> > installed? Did the Default Monitor disappear?
> >> >> > |>
> >> >> > |> $$$ Unfortunately it picked both monitors upagain
> >> >>
> >> >> > That's the procedure that really should be working for this!
> >> >>
> >> >> > |> > (3) "Control Panel, Display, Settings tab, Advanced button,
> >> >> > |> > Monitor tab"
> >> >> > |> >
> >> >> > |> > (a) What monitor is stated by the monitor icon?
> >> >> > |> > (You should see ViewSonic VP930 Series.)
> >> >>
> >> >> > You didn't answer. You did see that there?
> >> >>
> >> >> > |> > (b) Click the Change button, & the Next button.
> >> >> > |> > (c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
> >> >> > |> > Does ViewSonic VP930 Series show in the Models box?
> >> >>
> >> >> > Same here.
> >> >>
> >> >> > |> > (d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
> >> >> > |> > Examine the two panes to see what is currently
> >> >> > |> > installed.
> >> >>
> >> >> > At this point, did Windows rebuild its "driver information
> >> >> > database"?
> >> >>
> >> >> > |> > In the left (Manufacturers) pane, you should see ViewSonic, &
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > |> > the right (Models) pane, you should see ViewSonic VP930
Series
> >> >> > |> > selected & highlighted.
> >> >> > |>
> >> >> > |> $$$ It is just highlighting the first Viewsonic monitor in the
> >> >> > |> driver list "OPTIQUEST 1000S"
> >> >>
> >> >> > Uhuh. That's the top one, & is the one mine points to when I click
> >> >> > ViewSonic in the left pane. Yours should be pointing at the VP930,
> >> >> > because that was installed! That's what normally happens at that
> >> >> > requestor!
> >> >>
> >> >> > We have to try Registry deletes again, I guess. I'll post it
> > elsewhere
> >> >> > in this thread. Maybe try removing the adapter first.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Warren wrote:
> >> >> > | One thought I've had is that the Device Manager may be insisting
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > | building a second monitor is because the video adapter has
> > provision
> >> >> > | for two monitors. I have set the video card for having only one
> >> >> > | monitor, but maybe the Device Manager doesn't look at this
setting
> > on
> >> >> > | the video adapter ?
> >> >>
> >> >> > Where do you see a setting for that? Here is how to remove the
> > Adapter,
> >> >> > as I posted elsewhere, (but it's something I, myself, might be a
tad
> >> >> > fearful to do)...
> >> >>
> >> >> > Important: At the point below where you "bolt
> >> >> > 'Show all hardware'", ensure you copy down what is in the left &
> > right
> >> >> > panes. Then, if you have no other way to get back your current
> > display
> >> >> > adapter, you may go back into that screen to select it.
> >> >>
> >> >> > ......Quote..........
> >> >> > The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
> >> >> > installed. Right-click on the desktop choose "Properties" from
the
> >> >> > drop-down menu select "Settings" click on the "Advanced" button
> > and
> >> >> > click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is
> >> >> > currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display
> >> >> > Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.
> >> >>
> >> >> > [That is: Click "Change button, Next, bolt 'Display a List...',
> >> >> > Next,
> >> >> > bolt 'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select
'(Standard
> >> >> > display types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right
> > pane,
> >> >> > click 'Next'"... PCR]
> >> >>
> >> >> > This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic
> > VGA
> >> >> > adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA
> > because
> >> >> > it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to
> > get
> >> >> > rid of whatever was there before.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that
> > matches
> >> >> > your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are
> >> >> > using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer
to
> >> >> > see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the
> >> >> > correct
> >> >> > video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have
an
> >> >> > adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > made your video card.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Bill Starbuck (MVP)
> >> >> > ......End....of quote....
> >> >>
> >> >> > |>
> >> >> > |> >
> >> >> > |> > | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> >> >> > |> > |news:O$5VlXCeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >>
> >> >> > ...snip
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Thanks or Good Luck,
> >> >> > There may be humor in this post, and,
> >> >> > Naturally, you will not sue,
> >> >> > Should things get worse after this,
> >> >> > PCR
> >> >> > pcr...@netzero.net- Hide quoted text -
> >> >>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
> >> >
> >> >>The only thing I
> >> >> didn't do was reboot in between changes. Does that matter ?
> >> > Rebooting is only the most important part of the whole process. That
> >> > and deleting the correct things, take the line below for an example.
> >> >
> >> > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Monitor
> >> > \0015
> >> >
> >> > When the hardware item for monitors is properly deleted, the registry
> >> > should be missing the entire Monitor key itself along with the 0016
> >> > copies of non-functioning monitor bloat in the registry. When you
> >> > then reboot, Windows notices that there is NO monitor info (valid or
> >> > otherwise) in the registry and sets about looking through the inf
> >> > files to install one (or two) that matches the seen hardware pronto.
> >> > And this is HOW to do it in the first place. Gee whiz. You can't
> >> > just delete the ones you want to or the ones you happen to don't like
> >> > - it's not up to you at all. That's why you wound up with so many
> >> > because everytime you piddle with it wrong Windows has to chuck all
> >> > those monitors and start counting from the last good entry all over
> >> > again. Which is why we clear the bloat out of the registry at times
> >> > like this.
> >> >
> >> > You can't manually install hardware inf files with a right click.
Any
> >> > inf file with the word "Base" in it is hands off and you can't get
> >> > there from here anyway - so just fugetaboutit. You have only one
> >> > option and that is to do it the right way. Remove the hardware from
> >> > the Device Mangler and reboot to redetect it and install the proper
> >> > files for it. If that doesn't work then you didn't remove enough
> >> > hardware the first time around.
> >> >
> >> > The only exception is when custom hardware installation disks require
> >> > you to do it the way they say to do it. In such cases - read the
> >> > manual and do it how they say.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

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