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Bill in Co.

PCR wrote:
> Bill in Co. wrote:
>> PCR wrote:
>>> Bill in Co. wrote:
>>>> PCR wrote:
>>>
>>> ...snip
>>>>>>>>> Hmm. It seems strange that nothing at all would happen-- not
>>>>>>>>> even dying words (which always are true) or a last gasp!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not if the power supply doesn't get the "good to go" signal
>>>>>>>> (from some PS_ON control IC, that presumably got initially
>>>>>>>> destroyed) to turn it fully on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK. You've said it twice & I'm sure I've heard it before too.
>>>>>>> That's good enough now. Yet... I'm still wondering why there was
>>>>>>> no bang (& not even a whimper)... when that fatally pinned
>>>>>>> replacement power supply was first connected. It doesn't seem
>>>>>>> right that a MB could die w/o a sound at the hands of a power
>>>>>>> supply!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not necessarily. An IC (integrated circuit) chip or transistor,
>>>>>> etc, can die silently with incorrect voltages. Of course, if
>>>>>> one wanted to, one could "up" the voltages even more, and under
>>>>>> the right conditions, blow it literally apart (like blow its case
>>>>>> off). THEN you would hear it.
>>>>>
>>>>> All right. I'm sure you are right. The 3 noisy experiences I've had
>>>>> were unrelated to the MB...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hard drive crash Had to be replaced & has a rattle now.
>>>>> CD-ROM crash Worked fine 3/so days later,
>>>>> after I got the CD out of it.
>>>>> Speakers Smaller ones blew up! The originals
>>>>> worked fine when replugged & still do.
>>>>
>>>> But all of those have some mechanical components (which can move and
>>>> make noise), which explains why. Purely electronic components
>>>> (resistors, capacitors, transistors, ICs, etc, etc) are normally
>>>> silent nothing "moves" in there (except electrons). Hence, no
>>>> noise (under MOST circumstances - an exception being if you blow it
>>>> apart with quite excessive voltage).
>>>
>>> Understood. OK. I guess I was thinking really of electric arcing.

>>
>> True - that makes noise, but that takes a pretty decent amount of
>> voltage (and a lot of current flows when it arcs!).

>
> You are the former electrician who would know, Colorado. I'v replaced


Actually not an electrician, but an EE. There is a difference - in that
you wouldn't want me to try and wire up a house!! (I don't know the
electrical codes, and haven't done that stuff that's for the licensed
electricians)

> light fixtures, & I've changed electric sockets from 2 to 3 prong.


And that's 120 VAC!!
In the power supply's output, we're just dealing with 3.3V, 5V and 12V.

> Sitting right on top of it & feeling the shock, that did make noise too
> without moving parts other than my finger & flying wires when I got the
> wires wrong. But it's much bigger than the stuff on circuit boards.


Yeah.
I never have been able to replace a light switch with the power on w/o
getting some shock at some point (I was too lazy to find which ckt breaker
turned it off, so I thought I'd take a "shortcut" - never works well for me)

> ...snip
>>>> Everything is fine now, as I've replaced the motherboard, and am up
>>>> and running!
>>>
>>> I'm overjoyed! Good going!

>>
>> Thanks. Me too! Now I'm getting back to what I was originally
>> working on - making it quieter. But NOT as quiet as it has been
>> over the last few days!

>
> Ah, ha, ha! I suppose it was really is the fan on the power supply that
> is noisy. Can't you get just that?


LOL. Actually, I'm taking on the other one (the case fan) now!
Once (IF) that one gets done, I'll "reconsider" the power supply and its
fan, but with a bit more "diligence". This time, I want to see my Dell
model number in there!
 
P

PCR

Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
|> Bill in Co. wrote:
|>> PCR wrote:
|>>> Bill in Co. wrote:
|>>>> PCR wrote:
|>>>
|>>> ...snip
|>>>>>>>>> Hmm. It seems strange that nothing at all would happen-- not
|>>>>>>>>> even dying words (which always are true) or a last gasp!
|>>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>>> Not if the power supply doesn't get the "good to go" signal
|>>>>>>>> (from some PS_ON control IC, that presumably got initially
|>>>>>>>> destroyed) to turn it fully on.
|>>>>>>>
|>>>>>>> OK. You've said it twice & I'm sure I've heard it before too.
|>>>>>>> That's good enough now. Yet... I'm still wondering why there
|>>>>>>> was no bang (& not even a whimper)... when that fatally pinned
|>>>>>>> replacement power supply was first connected. It doesn't seem
|>>>>>>> right that a MB could die w/o a sound at the hands of a power
|>>>>>>> supply!
|>>>>>>
|>>>>>> Not necessarily. An IC (integrated circuit) chip or
|>>>>>> transistor, etc, can die silently with incorrect voltages.
|>>>>>> Of course, if one wanted to, one could "up" the voltages even
|>>>>>> more, and under the right conditions, blow it literally apart
|>>>>>> (like blow its case off). THEN you would hear it.
|>>>>>
|>>>>> All right. I'm sure you are right. The 3 noisy experiences I've
|>>>>> had were unrelated to the MB...
|>>>>>
|>>>>> Hard drive crash Had to be replaced & has a rattle now.
|>>>>> CD-ROM crash Worked fine 3/so days later,
|>>>>> after I got the CD out of it.
|>>>>> Speakers Smaller ones blew up! The originals
|>>>>> worked fine when replugged & still do.
|>>>>
|>>>> But all of those have some mechanical components (which can move
|>>>> and make noise), which explains why. Purely electronic
|>>>> components (resistors, capacitors, transistors, ICs, etc, etc)
|>>>> are normally silent nothing "moves" in there (except electrons).
|>>>> Hence, no noise (under MOST circumstances - an exception being if
|>>>> you blow it apart with quite excessive voltage).
|>>>
|>>> Understood. OK. I guess I was thinking really of electric arcing.
|>>
|>> True - that makes noise, but that takes a pretty decent amount of
|>> voltage (and a lot of current flows when it arcs!).
|>
|> You are the former electrician who would know, Colorado. I'v replaced
|
| Actually not an electrician, but an EE. There is a difference - in
| that you wouldn't want me to try and wire up a house!! (I don't know
| the electrical codes, and haven't done that stuff that's for the
| licensed electricians)

I see. I'm neither an electrician nor an EE. So far, only one fire in
one ceiling light fixture has resulted from my tampering. And it went
out by itself!

|> light fixtures, & I've changed electric sockets from 2 to 3 prong.
|
| And that's 120 VAC!!
| In the power supply's output, we're just dealing with 3.3V, 5V and
| 12V.

OK.

|> Sitting right on top of it & feeling the shock, that did make noise
|> too without moving parts other than my finger & flying wires when I
|> got the wires wrong. But it's much bigger than the stuff on circuit
|> boards.
|
| Yeah.
| I never have been able to replace a light switch with the power on w/o
| getting some shock at some point (I was too lazy to find which ckt
| breaker turned it off, so I thought I'd take a "shortcut" - never
| works well for me)

My uncle used to do it like that too. I like to pull the fuse usually,
but, yea, the right one might not be obvious. All the sockets but one in
my kitchen belong to one fuse, & the same is true in my living room! I
got a shock from that! But sometimes you need the fuse in to find which
wire is which too.

|> ...snip
|>>>> Everything is fine now, as I've replaced the motherboard, and am
|>>>> up and running!
|>>>
|>>> I'm overjoyed! Good going!
|>>
|>> Thanks. Me too! Now I'm getting back to what I was originally
|>> working on - making it quieter. But NOT as quiet as it has been
|>> over the last few days!
|>
|> Ah, ha, ha! I suppose it was really is the fan on the power supply
|> that is noisy. Can't you get just that?
|
| LOL. Actually, I'm taking on the other one (the case fan) now!
| Once (IF) that one gets done, I'll "reconsider" the power supply and
| its fan, but with a bit more "diligence". This time, I want to
| see my Dell model number in there!

I've only got one fan, & it's on the power supply. Absolutely, don't get
bit twice by a power supply.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
J

J. P. Gilliver

bobster wrote:
> From what I've seen, no one will take a 10 year old computer as a
> gift, much less buy one. I've heard that there are some big box
> stores that will take them for free for salvage but even our county
> recycling outfit wants $20. Tough to get rid of!

[]
Yes, and it seems a crying shame: even the organisations that take them for
distribution to third world countries and the like won't take anything less
than a fairly recent Pentium 2 or 3 system, whereas such old systems as
we're talking of could easily provide some years of experience for mundane
things like word-processing, etcetera (and email, and even web browsing if
the world wasn't so obsessed with the latest Flash and so on).
--
J. P. Gilliver
 

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