Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

[MEB]

Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
creation?

Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
about this...

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

That the last time I used a Hotmail account was ten years ago. Recommend DO
NOT use Hotmail or Live.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OrxQTyBpIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
> creation?
>
> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
> about this...
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...e6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614

No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
--
~PA Bear

MEB wrote:
> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
> creation?
>
> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
> about this...

 

[.]

Same here, just about coincident with the time it was
purchased by MS and started to require java, every
cookie and script in the book to access and use the site.


"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:u7BirKCpIHA.2636@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> That the last time I used a Hotmail account was ten years ago. Recommend
DO
> NOT use Hotmail or Live.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OrxQTyBpIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >
> > Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
> > Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
> > The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
DeltaSynch
> > to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
> > Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
> > creation?
> >
> > Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
> > about this...
> >
> > --
> > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> > --
> > _________

 

[MEB]

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uzpopUCpIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| cf.
|
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...e6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
|
| No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
| --
| ~PA Bear

Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.

So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
information pulled from the threads PA referenced.>

---------
Hello All,

I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have
started on this thread.


Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We are
doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox sizes.
Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen within DAV.
DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently handle
large
accounts.


This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False. Hotmail
customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients
such
as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against Hotmail, it
is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to continue
full access through your browser.


Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user
utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the new
OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is available
through your browser.


-----
Scott Hammer
Sr. Supportability Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation

------- end post

Subject: Re: ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook
Expre
To correct myself...

Hotmail customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other
clients such as Thunderbird.


I meant Hotmail PLUS customers are able to utilize POP3 as they currently
do...


---
Scott Hammer
Sr. Support Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation
----

So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered
with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
process?


|
| MEB wrote:
| > Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
| > Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
| > The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
DeltaSynch
| > to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
| > Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
| > creation?
| >
| > Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
| > about this...
|

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

 

[pjp]

What I know is that I've been using Hotmail and accessing it via Outlook
Express for over a decade now. I seldom ever use any web based email account
via the browser except for accounts setup specifically to give a valid email
account when registering at a site etc. (gmail etc.) as I never give out my
actual ISP email address (and hence get basically no spam in it).

What is nice about OE interface is that I get a local copy on my pc of the
email. That means I can easily move it into another folder and eventually it
gets saved to cd during periodic backup. Now I'll be "forced" to basically
forward Hotmail email to my isp email account for saving. That's better
way!!!???

My own take on things is that MS eventually wants all their software to be
"downloaded as required" with as little as possible kept on local pc. Well
have some "stub" for (as example) Word and when we go to start it the actual
software will be downloaded as needed so we can be billed for it's use every
time that happens.

This Live crap is the harbinger of that design, e.g. get people used to it
first, slowly creep it into mindset etc.


"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OrxQTyBpIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
> creation?
>
> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
> about this...
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

PS: If you're a Windows Live Hotmail Plus subscriber *and* access your
Hotmail account in OE via POP3, this policy change will NOT affect you.
--
~PA Bear

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> cf.
> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...e6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
>
> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
>
> MEB wrote:
>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
>> creation?
>>
>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
>> about this...

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

[Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE newsgroups
for widest exposure.]

> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered
> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
> process?

Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:

1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail page
after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
account hasn't been accessed for XX days).

2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving ANYTHING!]

2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General | Include
this account when sending or synchronizing

If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not attempt
to sync with the WebDAV server again therefore your Hotmail messages and
folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant) server. <eg>

NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll the
account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
(non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from OE!

3. Prior to 30 June 2008:

a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year not available
in all countries) *and*

b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).

===============

Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


MEB wrote:
> PA Bear wrote:
>> cf.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...e6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
>>
>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
>>
> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
>
> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
<snip>

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3

</snip>
> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered
> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
> process?
>
>> MEB wrote:
>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
>>> DeltaSynch
>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
>>> creation?
>>>
>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
>>> about this...

 

[Windows Live Mail Technologies Support]

PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you install
WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.

-s

--
Scott Hammer
Sr. Support Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eEwvA9IpIHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
> being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE newsgroups
> for widest exposure.]
>
>> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
>> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
>> registered
>> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
>> process?
>
> Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
>
> 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail page
> after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
> account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
>
> 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
> folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
> folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
> ANYTHING!]
>
> 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
> Include this account when sending or synchronizing
>
> If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
> attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again therefore your Hotmail
> messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant)
> server. <eg>
>
> NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll
> the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
> (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from OE!
>
> 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
>
> a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year not available
> in all countries) *and*
>
> b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).
>
> ===============
>
> Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
> https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
>
> MEB wrote:
>> PA Bear wrote:
>>> cf.
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...e6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
>>>
>>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
>>>
>> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
>>
>> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
>> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
> <snip>
>
> cf.
> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e
>
> cf.
> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3
>
> </snip>
>> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
>> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
>> registered
>> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
>> process?
>>
>>> MEB wrote:
>>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
>>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
>>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
>>>> DeltaSynch
>>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
>>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
>>>> creation?
>>>>
>>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
>>>> about this...
>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Continuing the crosspost to microsoft.public.internet.mail,
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, and
microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroups.

NB: This thread originated in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
newsgroup and is a Win9x-specific discussion

Windows Live Mail is not supported in Win9x.
--
~PA Bear

Windows Live Mail Technologies Support wrote:
> PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you
> install
> WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.
>
> -s
>
>> [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
>> being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE
>> newsgroups
>> for widest exposure.]
>>
>>> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
>>> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
>>> registered
>>> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
>>> the
>>> process?
>>
>> Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
>>
>> 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail page
>> after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
>> account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
>>
>> 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
>> folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
>> folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
>> ANYTHING!]
>>
>> 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
>> Include this account when sending or synchronizing
>>
>> If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
>> attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again therefore your Hotmail
>> messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant)
>> server. <eg>
>>
>> NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll
>> the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
>> (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from OE!
>>
>> 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
>>
>> a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year not
>> available
>> in all countries) *and*
>>
>> b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
>> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).
>>
>> ===============
>>
>> Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
>> https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>>
>> MEB wrote:
>>> PA Bear wrote:
>>>> cf.
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...e6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
>>>>
>>>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
>>>>
>>> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
>>>
>>> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
>>> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
>> <snip>
>>
>> cf.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e
>>
>> cf.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3
>>
>> </snip>
>>> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
>>> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
>>> registered
>>> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
>>> the
>>> process?
>>>
>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
>>>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and
>>>>> Vista.
>>>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
>>>>> DeltaSynch
>>>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
>>>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
>>>>> creation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others
>>>>> think
>>>>> about this...

 

[MEB]

Well, that's all well and good for Microsoft I suppose, but this account
was specifically setup for registration to the courts and government, and
DOES contain irreplaceable and important [think Notices, court submissions,
email confirmations and other pursuant the CM/ECF {Electronic Case
Management System} of the court system] and is the web only interface.
However, I also have another private Hotmail account to which I recently
linked this account.

The question was how to get these documents off the web only account
intact.

As you are now representing Microsoft's issues in this forum:

Would transferring these "can not destroy or modify" documents to the inbox
of the web only account folder, then allow me to pull these via the other
link Hotmail account via OE WITHOUT damage or loss [done of course prior to
the date published]?
NOTE: there a few hundred saved court and other messages which need moved
from this service as the web and private accounts will likely be closed due
to this new format. There certainly are other services available.

Forget the new interface installation, this is being posted via the Windows
98 general discussion group. And I likely will not place this installation
into any other Microsoft OS available

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
<WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:C9B69094-0C08-48BD-AA0D-9266804906D0@microsoft.com...
| PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you
install
| WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.
|
| -s
|
| --
| Scott Hammer
| Sr. Support Program Manager
| Windows Live Mail Technologies
| Microsoft Corporation
| "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
| news:eEwvA9IpIHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
| > being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE
newsgroups
| > for widest exposure.]
| >
| >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
| >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
| >> registered
| >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
the
| >> process?
| >
| > Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
| >
| > 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail
page
| > after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
| > account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
| >
| > 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
| > folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
| > folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
| > ANYTHING!]
| >
| > 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
| > Include this account when sending or synchronizing
| >
| > If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
| > attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again therefore your Hotmail
| > messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant)
| > server. <eg>
| >
| > NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll
| > the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
| > (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from
OE!
| >
| > 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
| >
| > a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year not
available
| > in all countries) *and*
| >
| > b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
| >
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).
| >
| > ===============
| >
| > Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
| > https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
| > --
| > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
| > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
| > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
| >
| >
| > MEB wrote:
| >> PA Bear wrote:
| >>> cf.
| >>>
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...e6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
| >>>
| >>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
| >>>
| >> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
| >>
| >> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
| >> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
| > <snip>
| >
| > cf.
| >
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e
| >
| > cf.
| >
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3
| >
| > </snip>
| >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
| >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
| >> registered
| >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
the
| >> process?
| >>
| >>> MEB wrote:
| >>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
| >>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and
Vista.
| >>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
| >>>> DeltaSynch
| >>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
| >>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft
problematic
| >>>> creation?
| >>>>
| >>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others
think
| >>>> about this...
| >
|

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

> As you are now representing Microsoft's issues in this forum...

NB lurkers: MEB is replying to Scott Hammer of the WLMail team here, not me.

MS MVPs do *not* represent Microsoft. Thank you.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002


MEB wrote:
> Well, that's all well and good for Microsoft I suppose, but this account
> was specifically setup for registration to the courts and government, and
> DOES contain irreplaceable and important [think Notices, court
> submissions,
> email confirmations and other pursuant the CM/ECF {Electronic Case
> Management System} of the court system] and is the web only interface.
> However, I also have another private Hotmail account to which I recently
> linked this account.
>
> The question was how to get these documents off the web only account
> intact.
>
> As you are now representing Microsoft's issues in this forum:
>
> Would transferring these "can not destroy or modify" documents to the
> inbox
> of the web only account folder, then allow me to pull these via the other
> link Hotmail account via OE WITHOUT damage or loss [done of course prior
> to
> the date published]?
> NOTE: there a few hundred saved court and other messages which need moved
> from this service as the web and private accounts will likely be closed
> due
> to this new format. There certainly are other services available.
>
> Forget the new interface installation, this is being posted via the
> Windows
> 98 general discussion group. And I likely will not place this installation
> into any other Microsoft OS available
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>
> "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
> <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:C9B69094-0C08-48BD-AA0D-9266804906D0@microsoft.com...
>> PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you
>> install
>> WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.
>>
>> -s
>>
>> --
>> Scott Hammer
>> Sr. Support Program Manager
>> Windows Live Mail Technologies
>> Microsoft Corporation
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eEwvA9IpIHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
>>> being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE
>>> newsgroups
>>> for widest exposure.]
>>>
>>>> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
>>>> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
>>>> registered
>>>> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
>>>> the
>>>> process?
>>>
>>> Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
>>>
>>> 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail
>>> page
>>> after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
>>> account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
>>>
>>> 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
>>> folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
>>> folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
>>> ANYTHING!]
>>>
>>> 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
>>> Include this account when sending or synchronizing
>>>
>>> If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
>>> attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again therefore your Hotmail
>>> messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant)
>>> server. <eg>
>>>
>>> NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll
>>> the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
>>> (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from
>>> OE!
>>>
>>> 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
>>>
>>> a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year not
>>> available
>>> in all countries) *and*
>>>
>>> b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
>>>
> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).
>>>
>>> ===============
>>>
>>> Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
>>> https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
>>> --
>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>
>>>
>>> MEB wrote:
>>>> PA Bear wrote:
>>>>> cf.
>>>>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...e6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
>>>>>
>>>>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
>>>>>
>>>> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
>>>>
>>>> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
>>>> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> cf.
>>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e
>>>
>>> cf.
>>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3
>>>
>>> </snip>
>>>> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
>>>> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
>>>> registered
>>>> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
>>>> the
>>>> process?
>>>>
>>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
>>>>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and
>>>>>> Vista.
>>>>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
>>>>>> DeltaSynch
>>>>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
>>>>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft
>>>>>> problematic
>>>>>> creation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> about this...

 

[Windows Live Mail Technologies Support]

Hi MEB,

I'm hoping that I understand the question correctly, please let me know if
not. When you accessed this account in Outlook Express, did you save
messages on the server? If so, then those mails will still be located in
your Hotmail folder, provided there isn't inactivity >90 days.

If you didn't save them on the server, then these mails will be located in
your Outlook Express mail data file. This is what will be migrated if you
install WLM. This tool does work very well. That being said, Microsoft does
not make any implicit or explicit statements regarding the integrity of data
involved in that migration. As the owner of that data, you are solely
responsible for backing up your data and ensuring recoverability. The
Windows Live Hotmail service does not hold long term data backups of
accounts.

I also want to be clear that this doesn't have any affect on the Windows
Live Hotmail web interface, only accessing Hotmail through HTTP using DAV in
Outlook Express. I hope this helps to answer your concerns. If not, I'm
happy to continue to help.

-so

--
Scott Hammer
Sr. Support Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation
"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eGEZoJKpIHA.4292@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Well, that's all well and good for Microsoft I suppose, but this account
> was specifically setup for registration to the courts and government, and
> DOES contain irreplaceable and important [think Notices, court
> submissions,
> email confirmations and other pursuant the CM/ECF {Electronic Case
> Management System} of the court system] and is the web only interface.
> However, I also have another private Hotmail account to which I recently
> linked this account.
>
> The question was how to get these documents off the web only account
> intact.
>
> As you are now representing Microsoft's issues in this forum:
>
> Would transferring these "can not destroy or modify" documents to the
> inbox
> of the web only account folder, then allow me to pull these via the other
> link Hotmail account via OE WITHOUT damage or loss [done of course prior
> to
> the date published]?
> NOTE: there a few hundred saved court and other messages which need moved
> from this service as the web and private accounts will likely be closed
> due
> to this new format. There certainly are other services available.
>
> Forget the new interface installation, this is being posted via the
> Windows
> 98 general discussion group. And I likely will not place this installation
> into any other Microsoft OS available
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
> <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:C9B69094-0C08-48BD-AA0D-9266804906D0@microsoft.com...
> | PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you
> install
> | WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.
> |
> | -s
> |
> | --
> | Scott Hammer
> | Sr. Support Program Manager
> | Windows Live Mail Technologies
> | Microsoft Corporation
> | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:eEwvA9IpIHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is
> supposedly
> | > being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE
> newsgroups
> | > for widest exposure.]
> | >
> | >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
> | >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
> | >> registered
> | >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
> the
> | >> process?
> | >
> | > Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
> | >
> | > 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail
> page
> | > after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
> | > account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
> | >
> | > 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
> | > folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
> | > folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
> | > ANYTHING!]
> | >
> | > 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
> | > Include this account when sending or synchronizing
> | >
> | > If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
> | > attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again therefore your Hotmail
> | > messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the
> (non-existant)
> | > server. <eg>
> | >
> | > NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or
> poll
> | > the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with
> the
> | > (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from
> OE!
> | >
> | > 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
> | >
> | > a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year not
> available
> | > in all countries) *and*
> | >
> | > b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3
> (cf.
> | >
> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).
> | >
> | > ===============
> | >
> | > Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
> | > https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
> | > --
> | > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> | > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> | > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> | > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> | >
> | >
> | > MEB wrote:
> | >> PA Bear wrote:
> | >>> cf.
> | >>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...e6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
> | >>>
> | >>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
> | >>>
> | >> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
> | >>
> | >> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the
> purported
> | >> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
> | > <snip>
> | >
> | > cf.
> | >
> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e
> | >
> | > cf.
> | >
> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3
> | >
> | > </snip>
> | >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
> | >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
> | >> registered
> | >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
> the
> | >> process?
> | >>
> | >>> MEB wrote:
> | >>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to
> access
> | >>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and
> Vista.
> | >>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
> | >>>> DeltaSynch
> | >>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
> | >>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft
> problematic
> | >>>> creation?
> | >>>>
> | >>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others
> think
> | >>>> about this...
> | >
> |
>
>

 

[MEB]

"Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
<WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:17E84DD2-D0FB-4910-AEE3-4199CF3F7C9E@microsoft.com...
| Hi MEB,
|
| I'm hoping that I understand the question correctly, please let me know if
| not. When you accessed this account in Outlook Express, did you save
| messages on the server? If so, then those mails will still be located in
| your Hotmail folder, provided there isn't inactivity >90 days.
|
| If you didn't save them on the server, then these mails will be located in
| your Outlook Express mail data file. This is what will be migrated if you
| install WLM. This tool does work very well. That being said, Microsoft
does
| not make any implicit or explicit statements regarding the integrity of
data
| involved in that migration. As the owner of that data, you are solely
| responsible for backing up your data and ensuring recoverability. The
| Windows Live Hotmail service does not hold long term data backups of
| accounts.
|
| I also want to be clear that this doesn't have any affect on the Windows
| Live Hotmail web interface, only accessing Hotmail through HTTP using DAV
in
| Outlook Express. I hope this helps to answer your concerns. If not, I'm
| happy to continue to help.
|
| -so
|
| --
| Scott Hammer
| Sr. Support Program Manager
| Windows Live Mail Technologies
| Microsoft Corporation


Thank you Scott, for the response.

The documents are saved in the web ONLY Hotmail account, however, recently
the ability to link to other accounts was used pursuant the private DAV
account which is accessible via OE [or another capable Mail program].
Therefore, the web mail INBOX can be transferred to the other private DAV
account and retrieved, though no other synchronization occurs.

The issues under review are:
That due, in part, to the change in Microsoft's original Mail to >
MSN/Hotmail to > Live > and now this new proprietary protocol, I question
whether I should continue to use the service. I won't go into the fact that
during these changes somehow a few of my prior accounts were "lost" during
that change over.
Taken with the posted activities pursuant "providing a better Email
experience" in the Live accounts [as indicated in the user documents and
agreements] which are apparently used to provide advertising and/or other,
targeted at the type of Email being received [which of course apparently
means Email and other monitoring], and that [general] information
potentially being shared with "partners" of Live and/or Microsoft [which I
personally believe borders on invasion of privacy and other like related
issues regardless of the Legal Notices and contracts/agreements involved
with use of the service], I can not, in good conscience, associate with that
type of activity. Yes, I have read the supposed explanations and agreements.

That being said, as previously indicated, the primary issue is:
A plain and clear statement concerning whether I can move the WEB based
Saved documents [yes in distinct folders specifically created for them on
the Live /Hotmail server] back into the INBOX in the WEB account > then
download them via the soon to be non-existent DAV account so they may be
preserved as required. I do not expect a "guarantee" but I do expect an
intelligent direct response which provides that answer. If you can suggest
some potentially safe limit to move/retrieve at one time, that would be
appreciated.
I would imagine that other users would also be interested in a short
statement concerning the ability to link and/or access using the new
interface/application and protocol, including other using EMail clients and
services [to><from].

Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news group
[soon to be defunct apparently] and internet mail, I am rather sure there
may be a decided interest in the ability of others who might be presently be
using the Live service or might consider such in the future, as to whether
there may be other methods allowed and/or which might in the future be
allowed when using the free and/or WEB based accounts pursuant to accessing
them and perhaps a short explanation of the intent and purpose of the
apparent monitoring of the Live accounts [hint - try NOT to make it sound
like a business decision, and in a fashion which might be understood by the
attending audience - the world].

BTW: you indicated that Live/Hotmail does NOT provide long term storage, so
perhaps you might wish to explain the gigabytes of offered storage capacity
and an explaination of why someone should perhaps pay for the service or use
it when there is no provided backup [per your statement] nor assurance that
any [court, business, personal, etc.] data/saved messages might not be lost.

Please feel free to correct any errors or mis-directions in the above, or
provide a response to same should you deem it necessary.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:eGEZoJKpIHA.4292@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > Well, that's all well and good for Microsoft I suppose, but this account
| > was specifically setup for registration to the courts and government,
and
| > DOES contain irreplaceable and important [think Notices, court
| > submissions,
| > email confirmations and other pursuant the CM/ECF {Electronic Case
| > Management System} of the court system] and is the web only interface.
| > However, I also have another private Hotmail account to which I recently
| > linked this account.
| >
| > The question was how to get these documents off the web only account
| > intact.
| >
| > As you are now representing Microsoft's issues in this forum:
| >
| > Would transferring these "can not destroy or modify" documents to the
| > inbox
| > of the web only account folder, then allow me to pull these via the
other
| > link Hotmail account via OE WITHOUT damage or loss [done of course prior
| > to
| > the date published]?
| > NOTE: there a few hundred saved court and other messages which need
moved
| > from this service as the web and private accounts will likely be closed
| > due
| > to this new format. There certainly are other services available.
| >
| > Forget the new interface installation, this is being posted via the
| > Windows
| > 98 general discussion group. And I likely will not place this
installation
| > into any other Microsoft OS available
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
| > <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
| > message news:C9B69094-0C08-48BD-AA0D-9266804906D0@microsoft.com...
| > | PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you
| > install
| > | WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.
| > |
| > | -s
| > |
| > | --
| > | Scott Hammer
| > | Sr. Support Program Manager
| > | Windows Live Mail Technologies
| > | Microsoft Corporation
| > | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:eEwvA9IpIHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | > [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is
| > supposedly
| > | > being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE
| > newsgroups
| > | > for widest exposure.]
| > | >
| > | >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and
other
| > | >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
| > | >> registered
| > | >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed
in
| > the
| > | >> process?
| > | >
| > | > Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
| > | >
| > | > 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail
| > page
| > | > after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless
the
| > | > account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
| > | >
| > | > 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local
OE
| > | > folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE
local
| > | > folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
| > | > ANYTHING!]
| > | >
| > | > 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
| > | > Include this account when sending or synchronizing
| > | >
| > | > If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
| > | > attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again therefore your Hotmail
| > | > messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the
| > (non-existant)
| > | > server. <eg>
| > | >
| > | > NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or
| > poll
| > | > the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with
| > the
| > | > (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted
from
| > OE!
| > | >
| > | > 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
| > | >
| > | > a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year not
| > available
| > | > in all countries) *and*
| > | >
| > | > b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3
| > (cf.
| > | >
| >
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).
| > | >
| > | > ===============
| > | >
| > | > Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
| > | > https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
| > | > --
| > | > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| > | > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
| > | > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
| > | > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > MEB wrote:
| > | >> PA Bear wrote:
| > | >>> cf.
| > | >>>
| >
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...e6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
| > | >>>
| > | >>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
| > | >>>
| > | >> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
| > | >>
| > | >> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the
| > purported
| > | >> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
| > | > <snip>
| > | >
| > | > cf.
| > | >
| >
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e
| > | >
| > | > cf.
| > | >
| >
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3
| > | >
| > | > </snip>
| > | >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and
other
| > | >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
| > | >> registered
| > | >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed
in
| > the
| > | >> process?
| > | >>
| > | >>> MEB wrote:
| > | >>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to
| > access
| > | >>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and
| > Vista.
| > | >>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
| > | >>>> DeltaSynch
| > | >>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
| > | >>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft
| > problematic
| > | >>>> creation?
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others
| > think
| > | >>>> about this...
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
|

 

[Windows Live Mail Technologies Support]

HI MEB,

Thanks for the response. Let me call out some answers to your
questions/concerns. I'll do my best to not be too business-y.

- Data Storage: We do hold backups for seven days for all accounts. Windows
Live Hotmail has millions of accounts and we just can't feasibly hold long
term backups for that amount of data. Each user has 5GB of storage, that
combined with millions of accounts would prove an massive amount of storage
needed to do this for a longer term. If a user removes something
inadvertently, we MAY be able to recover if it is under 7 days. This is
comparable to other mail services.

- Privacy: Microsoft as a whole is very strict on privacy and information
sharing. We never sell or freely distribute our customers information.
Every employee is required to take privacy handling training yearly.

- Linking to Web based mail/downloading documents: Yes, you will be able to
use Windows Live Mail client to access the web files, and download them to
your local machine. Your documents are backed up nightly, but those backups
are only stored for seven days. Your data will be intact as long as you
continue to log into your account. This migration will not affect any data
stored in your Hotmail account that is accessible through the Web interface.
The data I referred to was any that may have been pulled down to your local
machine and removed from the Hotmail account.

- Monitoring of Accounts: I'm not sure what you are referring to here. We do
not monitor accounts other than for inactivity, which only polls last login
time and not contents. Agents will at times access your account based upon
your request or through user report that an account is being used
maliciously.

I hope I covered all your concerns, if not, please let me know and I will
try to clarify further.

-s

--
Scott Hammer
Sr. Support Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation
"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e6aADJRpIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
> <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:17E84DD2-D0FB-4910-AEE3-4199CF3F7C9E@microsoft.com...
> | Hi MEB,
> |
> | I'm hoping that I understand the question correctly, please let me know
> if
> | not. When you accessed this account in Outlook Express, did you save
> | messages on the server? If so, then those mails will still be located in
> | your Hotmail folder, provided there isn't inactivity >90 days.
> |
> | If you didn't save them on the server, then these mails will be located
> in
> | your Outlook Express mail data file. This is what will be migrated if
> you
> | install WLM. This tool does work very well. That being said, Microsoft
> does
> | not make any implicit or explicit statements regarding the integrity of
> data
> | involved in that migration. As the owner of that data, you are solely
> | responsible for backing up your data and ensuring recoverability. The
> | Windows Live Hotmail service does not hold long term data backups of
> | accounts.
> |
> | I also want to be clear that this doesn't have any affect on the Windows
> | Live Hotmail web interface, only accessing Hotmail through HTTP using
> DAV
> in
> | Outlook Express. I hope this helps to answer your concerns. If not, I'm
> | happy to continue to help.
> |
> | -so
> |
> | --
> | Scott Hammer
> | Sr. Support Program Manager
> | Windows Live Mail Technologies
> | Microsoft Corporation
>
>
> Thank you Scott, for the response.
>
> The documents are saved in the web ONLY Hotmail account, however, recently
> the ability to link to other accounts was used pursuant the private DAV
> account which is accessible via OE [or another capable Mail program].
> Therefore, the web mail INBOX can be transferred to the other private DAV
> account and retrieved, though no other synchronization occurs.
>
> The issues under review are:
> That due, in part, to the change in Microsoft's original Mail to >
> MSN/Hotmail to > Live > and now this new proprietary protocol, I question
> whether I should continue to use the service. I won't go into the fact
> that
> during these changes somehow a few of my prior accounts were "lost" during
> that change over.
> Taken with the posted activities pursuant "providing a better Email
> experience" in the Live accounts [as indicated in the user documents and
> agreements] which are apparently used to provide advertising and/or other,
> targeted at the type of Email being received [which of course apparently
> means Email and other monitoring], and that [general] information
> potentially being shared with "partners" of Live and/or Microsoft [which I
> personally believe borders on invasion of privacy and other like related
> issues regardless of the Legal Notices and contracts/agreements involved
> with use of the service], I can not, in good conscience, associate with
> that
> type of activity. Yes, I have read the supposed explanations and
> agreements.
>
> That being said, as previously indicated, the primary issue is:
> A plain and clear statement concerning whether I can move the WEB based
> Saved documents [yes in distinct folders specifically created for them on
> the Live /Hotmail server] back into the INBOX in the WEB account > then
> download them via the soon to be non-existent DAV account so they may be
> preserved as required. I do not expect a "guarantee" but I do expect an
> intelligent direct response which provides that answer. If you can suggest
> some potentially safe limit to move/retrieve at one time, that would be
> appreciated.
> I would imagine that other users would also be interested in a short
> statement concerning the ability to link and/or access using the new
> interface/application and protocol, including other using EMail clients
> and
> services [to><from].
>
> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news group
> [soon to be defunct apparently] and internet mail, I am rather sure there
> may be a decided interest in the ability of others who might be presently
> be
> using the Live service or might consider such in the future, as to whether
> there may be other methods allowed and/or which might in the future be
> allowed when using the free and/or WEB based accounts pursuant to
> accessing
> them and perhaps a short explanation of the intent and purpose of the
> apparent monitoring of the Live accounts [hint - try NOT to make it sound
> like a business decision, and in a fashion which might be understood by
> the
> attending audience - the world].
>
> BTW: you indicated that Live/Hotmail does NOT provide long term storage,
> so
> perhaps you might wish to explain the gigabytes of offered storage
> capacity
> and an explaination of why someone should perhaps pay for the service or
> use
> it when there is no provided backup [per your statement] nor assurance
> that
> any [court, business, personal, etc.] data/saved messages might not be
> lost.
>
> Please feel free to correct any errors or mis-directions in the above, or
> provide a response to same should you deem it necessary.
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:eGEZoJKpIHA.4292@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > Well, that's all well and good for Microsoft I suppose, but this
> account
> | > was specifically setup for registration to the courts and government,
> and
> | > DOES contain irreplaceable and important [think Notices, court
> | > submissions,
> | > email confirmations and other pursuant the CM/ECF {Electronic Case
> | > Management System} of the court system] and is the web only interface.
> | > However, I also have another private Hotmail account to which I
> recently
> | > linked this account.
> | >
> | > The question was how to get these documents off the web only account
> | > intact.
> | >
> | > As you are now representing Microsoft's issues in this forum:
> | >
> | > Would transferring these "can not destroy or modify" documents to the
> | > inbox
> | > of the web only account folder, then allow me to pull these via the
> other
> | > link Hotmail account via OE WITHOUT damage or loss [done of course
> prior
> | > to
> | > the date published]?
> | > NOTE: there a few hundred saved court and other messages which need
> moved
> | > from this service as the web and private accounts will likely be
> closed
> | > due
> | > to this new format. There certainly are other services available.
> | >
> | > Forget the new interface installation, this is being posted via the
> | > Windows
> | > 98 general discussion group. And I likely will not place this
> installation
> | > into any other Microsoft OS available
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | > "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
> | > <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> in
> | > message news:C9B69094-0C08-48BD-AA0D-9266804906D0@microsoft.com...
> | > | PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you
> | > install
> | > | WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.
> | > |
> | > | -s
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Scott Hammer
> | > | Sr. Support Program Manager
> | > | Windows Live Mail Technologies
> | > | Microsoft Corporation
> | > | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | news:eEwvA9IpIHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > | > [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is
> | > supposedly
> | > | > being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE
> | > newsgroups
> | > | > for widest exposure.]
> | > | >
> | > | >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and
> other
> | > | >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
> | > | >> registered
> | > | >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being
> destroyed
> in
> | > the
> | > | >> process?
> | > | >
> | > | > Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
> | > | >
> | > | > 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the
> webmail
> | > page
> | > | > after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless
> the
> | > | > account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
> | > | >
> | > | > 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local
> OE
> | > | > folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE
> local
> | > | > folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
> | > | > ANYTHING!]
> | > | >
> | > | > 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General
> |
> | > | > Include this account when sending or synchronizing
> | > | >
> | > | > If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will
> not
> | > | > attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again therefore your
> Hotmail
> | > | > messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the
> | > (non-existant)
> | > | > server. <eg>
> | > | >
> | > | > NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or
> | > poll
> | > | > the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize
> with
> | > the
> | > | > (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted
> from
> | > OE!
> | > | >
> | > | > 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
> | > | >
> | > | > a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year not
> | > available
> | > | > in all countries) *and*
> | > | >
> | > | > b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via
> POP3
> | > (cf.
> | > | >
> | >
> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).
> | > | >
> | > | > ===============
> | > | >
> | > | > Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
> | > | > https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
> | > | > --
> | > | > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> | > | > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> | > | > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> | > | > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > MEB wrote:
> | > | >> PA Bear wrote:
> | > | >>> cf.
> | > | >>>
> | >
> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...e6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
> | > | >>>
> | > | >> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
> | > | >>
> | > | >> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the
> | > purported
> | > | >> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
> | > | > <snip>
> | > | >
> | > | > cf.
> | > | >
> | >
> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e
> | > | >
> | > | > cf.
> | > | >
> | >
> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3
> | > | >
> | > | > </snip>
> | > | >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and
> other
> | > | >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
> | > | >> registered
> | > | >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being
> destroyed
> in
> | > the
> | > | >> process?
> | > | >>
> | > | >>> MEB wrote:
> | > | >>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to
> | > access
> | > | >>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP
> and
> | > Vista.
> | > | >>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
> | > | >>>> DeltaSynch
> | > | >>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
> | > | >>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft
> | > problematic
> | > | >>>> creation?
> | > | >>>>
> | > | >>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do
> others
> | > think
> | > | >>>> about this...
> | > | >
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>
>
>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

MEB wrote:
<snip>
> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news group
> [soon to be defunct apparently]...

Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for OE
(i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS in which
OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended Support for Win9x
ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported through 2014.

That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about this, I
wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared from
the MS newsserver soon.
--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

 

[MEB]

"Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
<WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:93EC9EE3-E733-41FA-A530-FFD34C255AF1@microsoft.com...
| HI MEB,

Heeey Scott, perhaps I should mention the name is Maurice so at least we
are on an even keel, so to speak.
MEB is *M*aurice *E*dward, *B*rahier

|
| Thanks for the response. Let me call out some answers to your
| questions/concerns. I'll do my best to not be too business-y.
|
| - Data Storage: We do hold backups for seven days for all accounts.
Windows
| Live Hotmail has millions of accounts and we just can't feasibly hold long
| term backups for that amount of data. Each user has 5GB of storage, that
| combined with millions of accounts would prove an massive amount of
storage
| needed to do this for a longer term. If a user removes something
| inadvertently, we MAY be able to recover if it is under 7 days. This is
| comparable to other mail services.

I have to grin on that one, this is Microsoft after all. Not to calumniate,
but I don't think there will be any tears rolling down the cheeks for poor
old Microsoft {ooohhhh, what a burden to bear}{grin}. We aren't talking
about some "still being run out of the garage" business here, nor run by
some poor pimply faced geek running around trying to get backers for his
spankin-new dream business.
Yes, users certainly realize Live/Microsoft MAY have millions of users, but
it seems others are able to provide that, and appear to have made it part of
their service. Moreover, as much of the services Microsoft offers have now
been off-loaded to others, as has been shown previously when hacked and
other issues have cropped up [as reported by Microsoft or in press releases
or the News, and otherwise], one would reasonably question that particular
statement.
You do, however, qualify that with the "comparable" statement, which I
suppose it is.

|
| - Privacy: Microsoft as a whole is very strict on privacy and information
| sharing. We never sell or freely distribute our customers information.
| Every employee is required to take privacy handling training yearly.

Okay, we can presume that this is done under terms/conditions of
employment. The issue will remain a discussion point in other venues,
USENET, etc..

|
| - Linking to Web based mail/downloading documents: Yes, you will be able
to
| use Windows Live Mail client to access the web files, and download them to
| your local machine. Your documents are backed up nightly, but those
backups
| are only stored for seven days. Your data will be intact as long as you
| continue to log into your account. This migration will not affect any data
| stored in your Hotmail account that is accessible through the Web
interface.
| The data I referred to was any that may have been pulled down to your
local
| machine and removed from the Hotmail account.

Okay, for the accounts I mentioned {mine- perhaps that's what you are
referring to], but there is also the other users to think about.

So: backups are done nightly - meaning if some thing goes wrong, one could
contact Live/Microsoft within 7 days and MIGHT be able to retrieve the
materials,, is this correct?

IF, however, there is nothing wrong, the backups are still done every
night, and will continue to be available AS LONG AS the messages were NOT
deleted and/or downloaded by the user AND the account is still
current/active [which you previously mentioned as 90 days],,, is that
correct?

Does that apply to all acounts as well, and for future accounts? Free <>
Paid [one would assume that would apply to those paid accounts IF using the
new interface/protocol AND/OR if another Email program is able to also
supply/use that protocol - then downloaded to local stores]

.. Does this indication apply to the FREE web accounts [e.g., may they be
pulled locally]?

Did Microsoft/Live supply/make public the coding so other Email clients
can/could also apply/use that protocol?

It might be useful for you to supply some of the basics [at least] on this
new protocol, such as: WHY is is purported to better than DAV {such as
Security, transfer, whatever...}. With all this Web 2.0 implimentation
floating around, perhaps it might interest some.

As for the interface/migration, that WILL preclude me from accessing the
materials UNLESS I use the web access [as I said, I have no intention of
installing it locally anywhere] - OR is it that one could perhaps use a
competitor's account to pull or transfer those messages too?

|
| - Monitoring of Accounts: I'm not sure what you are referring to here. We
do
| not monitor accounts other than for inactivity, which only polls last
login
| time and not contents. Agents will at times access your account based upon
| your request or through user report that an account is being used
| maliciously.
|
| I hope I covered all your concerns, if not, please let me know and I will
| try to clarify further.

Well, of course the answer would be no, but this is hardly the venue to
discuss much else.

Thanks Scott, perhaps others might wish to discuss things with you, be
prepared though, it can get real ugly [though generally not in this group].

|
| -s
|
| --
| Scott Hammer
| Sr. Support Program Manager
| Windows Live Mail Technologies
| Microsoft Corporation

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:e6aADJRpIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| >
| > "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
| > <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
| > message news:17E84DD2-D0FB-4910-AEE3-4199CF3F7C9E@microsoft.com...
| > | Hi MEB,
| > |
| > | I'm hoping that I understand the question correctly, please let me
know
| > if
| > | not. When you accessed this account in Outlook Express, did you save
| > | messages on the server? If so, then those mails will still be located
in
| > | your Hotmail folder, provided there isn't inactivity >90 days.
| > |
| > | If you didn't save them on the server, then these mails will be
located
| > in
| > | your Outlook Express mail data file. This is what will be migrated if
| > you
| > | install WLM. This tool does work very well. That being said,
Microsoft
| > does
| > | not make any implicit or explicit statements regarding the integrity
of
| > data
| > | involved in that migration. As the owner of that data, you are solely
| > | responsible for backing up your data and ensuring recoverability. The
| > | Windows Live Hotmail service does not hold long term data backups of
| > | accounts.
| > |
| > | I also want to be clear that this doesn't have any affect on the
Windows
| > | Live Hotmail web interface, only accessing Hotmail through HTTP using
| > DAV
| > in
| > | Outlook Express. I hope this helps to answer your concerns. If not,
I'm
| > | happy to continue to help.
| > |
| > | -so
| > |
| > | --
| > | Scott Hammer
| > | Sr. Support Program Manager
| > | Windows Live Mail Technologies
| > | Microsoft Corporation
| >
| >
| > Thank you Scott, for the response.
| >
| > The documents are saved in the web ONLY Hotmail account, however,
recently
| > the ability to link to other accounts was used pursuant the private DAV
| > account which is accessible via OE [or another capable Mail program].
| > Therefore, the web mail INBOX can be transferred to the other private
DAV
| > account and retrieved, though no other synchronization occurs.
| >
| > The issues under review are:
| > That due, in part, to the change in Microsoft's original Mail to >
| > MSN/Hotmail to > Live > and now this new proprietary protocol, I
question
| > whether I should continue to use the service. I won't go into the fact
| > that
| > during these changes somehow a few of my prior accounts were "lost"
during
| > that change over.
| > Taken with the posted activities pursuant "providing a better Email
| > experience" in the Live accounts [as indicated in the user documents and
| > agreements] which are apparently used to provide advertising and/or
other,
| > targeted at the type of Email being received [which of course apparently
| > means Email and other monitoring], and that [general] information
| > potentially being shared with "partners" of Live and/or Microsoft [which
I
| > personally believe borders on invasion of privacy and other like related
| > issues regardless of the Legal Notices and contracts/agreements involved
| > with use of the service], I can not, in good conscience, associate with
| > that
| > type of activity. Yes, I have read the supposed explanations and
| > agreements.
| >
| > That being said, as previously indicated, the primary issue is:
| > A plain and clear statement concerning whether I can move the WEB based
| > Saved documents [yes in distinct folders specifically created for them
on
| > the Live /Hotmail server] back into the INBOX in the WEB account > then
| > download them via the soon to be non-existent DAV account so they may be
| > preserved as required. I do not expect a "guarantee" but I do expect an
| > intelligent direct response which provides that answer. If you can
suggest
| > some potentially safe limit to move/retrieve at one time, that would be
| > appreciated.
| > I would imagine that other users would also be interested in a short
| > statement concerning the ability to link and/or access using the new
| > interface/application and protocol, including other using EMail clients
| > and
| > services [to><from].
| >
| > Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news group
| > [soon to be defunct apparently] and internet mail, I am rather sure
there
| > may be a decided interest in the ability of others who might be
presently
| > be
| > using the Live service or might consider such in the future, as to
whether
| > there may be other methods allowed and/or which might in the future be
| > allowed when using the free and/or WEB based accounts pursuant to
| > accessing
| > them and perhaps a short explanation of the intent and purpose of the
| > apparent monitoring of the Live accounts [hint - try NOT to make it
sound
| > like a business decision, and in a fashion which might be understood by
| > the
| > attending audience - the world].
| >
| > BTW: you indicated that Live/Hotmail does NOT provide long term storage,
| > so
| > perhaps you might wish to explain the gigabytes of offered storage
| > capacity
| > and an explaination of why someone should perhaps pay for the service or
| > use
| > it when there is no provided backup [per your statement] nor assurance
| > that
| > any [court, business, personal, etc.] data/saved messages might not be
| > lost.
| >
| > Please feel free to correct any errors or mis-directions in the above,
or
| > provide a response to same should you deem it necessary.
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:eGEZoJKpIHA.4292@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > Well, that's all well and good for Microsoft I suppose, but this
| > account
| > | > was specifically setup for registration to the courts and
government,
| > and
| > | > DOES contain irreplaceable and important [think Notices, court
| > | > submissions,
| > | > email confirmations and other pursuant the CM/ECF {Electronic Case
| > | > Management System} of the court system] and is the web only
interface.
| > | > However, I also have another private Hotmail account to which I
| > recently
| > | > linked this account.
| > | >
| > | > The question was how to get these documents off the web only account
| > | > intact.
| > | >
| > | > As you are now representing Microsoft's issues in this forum:
| > | >
| > | > Would transferring these "can not destroy or modify" documents to
the
| > | > inbox
| > | > of the web only account folder, then allow me to pull these via the
| > other
| > | > link Hotmail account via OE WITHOUT damage or loss [done of course
| > prior
| > | > to
| > | > the date published]?
| > | > NOTE: there a few hundred saved court and other messages which need
| > moved
| > | > from this service as the web and private accounts will likely be
| > closed
| > | > due
| > | > to this new format. There certainly are other services available.
| > | >
| > | > Forget the new interface installation, this is being posted via the
| > | > Windows
| > | > 98 general discussion group. And I likely will not place this
| > installation
| > | > into any other Microsoft OS available
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | > "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
| > | > <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
| > in
| > | > message news:C9B69094-0C08-48BD-AA0D-9266804906D0@microsoft.com...
| > | > | PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when
you
| > | > install
| > | > | WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.
| > | > |
| > | > | -s
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Scott Hammer
| > | > | Sr. Support Program Manager
| > | > | Windows Live Mail Technologies
| > | > | Microsoft Corporation
| > | > | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | news:eEwvA9IpIHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is
| > | > supposedly
| > | > | > being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE
| > | > newsgroups
| > | > | > for widest exposure.]
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and
| > other
| > | > | >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
| > | > | >> registered
| > | > | >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being
| > destroyed
| > in
| > | > the
| > | > | >> process?
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
| > | > | >
| > | > | > 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the
| > webmail
| > | > page
| > | > | > after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there
(unless
| > the
| > | > | > account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
| > | > | >
| > | > | > 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more
local
| > OE
| > | > | > folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE
| > local
| > | > | > folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for
archiving
| > | > | > ANYTHING!]
| > | > | >
| > | > | > 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties |
General
| > |
| > | > | > Include this account when sending or synchronizing
| > | > | >
| > | > | > If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will
| > not
| > | > | > attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again therefore your
| > Hotmail
| > | > | > messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the
| > | > (non-existant)
| > | > | > server. <eg>
| > | > | >
| > | > | > NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account
or
| > | > poll
| > | > | > the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize
| > with
| > | > the
| > | > | > (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted
| > from
| > | > OE!
| > | > | >
| > | > | > 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
| > | > | >
| > | > | > a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year not
| > | > available
| > | > | > in all countries) *and*
| > | > | >
| > | > | > b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via
| > POP3
| > | > (cf.
| > | > | >
| > | >
| >
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).
| > | > | >
| > | > | > ===============
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
| > | > | > https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| > | > | > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since
2002
| > | > | > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
| > | > | > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > MEB wrote:
| > | > | >> PA Bear wrote:
| > | > | >>> cf.
| > | > | >>>
| > | >
| >
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...e6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the
| > | > purported
| > | > | >> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
| > | > | > <snip>
| > | > | >
| > | > | > cf.
| > | > | >
| > | >
| >
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e
| > | > | >
| > | > | > cf.
| > | > | >
| > | >
| >
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3
| > | > | >
| > | > | > </snip>
| > | > | >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and
| > other
| > | > | >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
| > | > | >> registered
| > | > | >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being
| > destroyed
| > in
| > | > the
| > | > | >> process?
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>> MEB wrote:
| > | > | >>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon
to
| > | > access
| > | > | >>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP
| > and
| > | > Vista.
| > | > | >>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary
protocol
| > | > | >>>> DeltaSynch
| > | > | >>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
| > | > | >>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft
| > | > problematic
| > | > | >>>> creation?
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do
| > others
| > | > think
| > | > | >>>> about this...
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
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MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Request: Since Windows Live Mail is not supported in Win9x, please
discontinue the pointless crossposting of further replies to
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and
microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroups.

Thanks.
--
~PA Bear


MEB wrote:
> "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
> <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:93EC9EE3-E733-41FA-A530-FFD34C255AF1@microsoft.com...
>> HI MEB,
>
> Heeey Scott, perhaps I should mention the name is Maurice so at least we
> are on an even keel, so to speak.
> MEB is *M*aurice *E*dward, *B*rahier

 

[MEB]

Well perhaps that would be a good idea, however, having just attempted the
move of the saved messages to the INBOX of the web account, and attempted to
retrieve them via the linked DAV account [the first 25 messages of a few
hundred], I find they are NOT transferred, even AFTER marking them as NOT
READ. Therefore there may still be a decided interest in this discussion
pursuant the 98 groups, at least until some resolution to the issue is
proved..

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
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"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:us35QehpIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| Request: Since Windows Live Mail is not supported in Win9x, please
| discontinue the pointless crossposting of further replies to
| microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and
| microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroups.
|
| Thanks.
| --
| ~PA Bear
|
|
| MEB wrote:
| > "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
| > <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
| > message news:93EC9EE3-E733-41FA-A530-FFD34C255AF1@microsoft.com...
| >> HI MEB,
| >
| > Heeey Scott, perhaps I should mention the name is Maurice so at least we
| > are on an even keel, so to speak.
| > MEB is *M*aurice *E*dward, *B*rahier
|

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

1. Ignore the Read/Unread marking: Make sure all messages in all
Hotmail-in-OE folders have been opened (i.e., message contents have been
downloaded).

2. Move, drag, or Copy all messages to local OE folders you've created for
this purpose.
--
~PA Bear


MEB wrote:
> Well perhaps that would be a good idea, however, having just attempted the
> move of the saved messages to the INBOX of the web account, and attempted
> to
> retrieve them via the linked DAV account [the first 25 messages of a few
> hundred], I find they are NOT transferred, even AFTER marking them as NOT
> READ. Therefore there may still be a decided interest in this discussion
> pursuant the 98 groups, at least until some resolution to the issue is
> proved..
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:us35QehpIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Request: Since Windows Live Mail is not supported in Win9x, please
>> discontinue the pointless crossposting of further replies to
>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and
>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroups.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> --
>> ~PA Bear
>>
>>
>> MEB wrote:
>>> "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
>>> <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message news:93EC9EE3-E733-41FA-A530-FFD34C255AF1@microsoft.com...
>>>> HI MEB,
>>>
>>> Heeey Scott, perhaps I should mention the name is Maurice so at least we
>>> are on an even keel, so to speak.
>>> MEB is *M*aurice *E*dward, *B*rahier