Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

MEB · Apr 24, 2008

Impossible to do, the accounts are not synchronized...

Pa, you should from experience, understand what mode I'm presently in,
beware.

In present form, Microsoft/Live stands in undue effect pursuant a
previously PUBLICLY offered, and CROSS PLATFORM available service
[accessible via other clients/applications], which will soon be inaccessible
to this CLASS of users.... I appreciate you may not understand the issue,
but I would suggest you stand aside until this is resolved.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Om8aOtjpIHA.2256@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| 1. Ignore the Read/Unread marking: Make sure all messages in all
| Hotmail-in-OE folders have been opened (i.e., message contents have been
| downloaded).
|
| 2. Move, drag, or Copy all messages to local OE folders you've created for
| this purpose.
| --
| ~PA Bear
|
|
| MEB wrote:
| > Well perhaps that would be a good idea, however, having just attempted
the
| > move of the saved messages to the INBOX of the web account, and
attempted
| > to
| > retrieve them via the linked DAV account [the first 25 messages of a few
| > hundred], I find they are NOT transferred, even AFTER marking them as
NOT
| > READ. Therefore there may still be a decided interest in this discussion
| > pursuant the 98 groups, at least until some resolution to the issue is
| > proved..
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| >
| > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:us35QehpIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| >> Request: Since Windows Live Mail is not supported in Win9x, please
| >> discontinue the pointless crossposting of further replies to
| >> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and
| >> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroups.
| >>
| >> Thanks.
| >> --
| >> ~PA Bear
| >>
| >>
| >> MEB wrote:
| >>> "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
| >>> <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in
| >>> message news:93EC9EE3-E733-41FA-A530-FFD34C255AF1@microsoft.com...
| >>>> HI MEB,
| >>>
| >>> Heeey Scott, perhaps I should mention the name is Maurice so at least
we
| >>> are on an even keel, so to speak.
| >>> MEB is *M*aurice *E*dward, *B*rahier
|

PA Bear [MS MVP] · Apr 24, 2008

> Impossible to do, the accounts are not synchronized...

Sorry to hear that. FWIW, I still have messages in my Hotmail-in-OE folders
available from October 2002. Perhaps the back-up and long-term storage
information Scott described in his most recent reply
(http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/msg/5fedf03e884d8b22)
is at play in your case.

> Pa, you should from experience, understand what mode I'm presently in,
> beware.

From what experience? Beware of what? Is that a threat?

> In present form, Microsoft/Live stands in undue effect pursuant a
> previously PUBLICLY offered, and CROSS PLATFORM available service
> [accessible via other clients/applications], which will soon be
> inaccessible
> to this CLASS of users.... I appreciate you may not understand the issue,
> but I would suggest you stand aside until this is resolved.

Uh-oh, lawyerspeak! Should we be scared? These are public newsgroups,
Maurice: Anyone can reply to this thread. If I feel I have information
about OE that's related to your posts/problems, I'll post a reply if I care
to do so.

If you need official support from MSN/Hotmail, these newsgroups are the
wrong venue:

<QP>
Microsoft does not offer formal support for the communities you'll find
here. Instead, our role is to provide a platform for people who want to take
advantage of the global community of Microsoft customers and product
experts...
</QP>
Source: http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

Free access to Hotmail accounts in OE has always been "provided as a beta
service" without any support from MSN/Hotmail or Microsoft whatsoever.

FYI:

Microsoft Service Agreement
http://help.live.com/help.aspx?project=tou&mkt=en-us
--
~PA Bear

MEB wrote:
> Impossible to do, the accounts are not synchronized...
>
> Pa, you should from experience, understand what mode I'm presently in,
> beware.
>
> In present form, Microsoft/Live stands in undue effect pursuant a
> previously PUBLICLY offered, and CROSS PLATFORM available service
> [accessible via other clients/applications], which will soon be
> inaccessible
> to this CLASS of users.... I appreciate you may not understand the issue,
> but I would suggest you stand aside until this is resolved.
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Om8aOtjpIHA.2256@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> 1. Ignore the Read/Unread marking: Make sure all messages in all
>> Hotmail-in-OE folders have been opened (i.e., message contents have been
>> downloaded).
>>
>> 2. Move, drag, or Copy all messages to local OE folders you've created
>> for
>> this purpose.
>> --
>> ~PA Bear
>>
>>
>> MEB wrote:
>>> Well perhaps that would be a good idea, however, having just attempted
>>> the
>>> move of the saved messages to the INBOX of the web account, and
>>> attempted
>>> to
>>> retrieve them via the linked DAV account [the first 25 messages of a few
>>> hundred], I find they are NOT transferred, even AFTER marking them as
>>> NOT
>>> READ. Therefore there may still be a decided interest in this discussion
>>> pursuant the 98 groups, at least until some resolution to the issue is
>>> proved..
>>>
>>> --
>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:us35QehpIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Request: Since Windows Live Mail is not supported in Win9x, please
>>>> discontinue the pointless crossposting of further replies to
>>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and
>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> --
>>>> ~PA Bear
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>> "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
>>>>> <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>>>>> in
>>>>> message news:93EC9EE3-E733-41FA-A530-FFD34C255AF1@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> HI MEB,
>>>>>
>>>>> Heeey Scott, perhaps I should mention the name is Maurice so at least
>>>>> we
>>>>> are on an even keel, so to speak.
>>>>> MEB is *M*aurice *E*dward, *B*rahier

MEB · Apr 24, 2008

PA Bear [MS MVP] · Apr 25, 2008

PS: Is the "missing" Hotmail-in-OE data available at the webmail page for
the account(s)?

(Contact) Windows Live Hotmail Support
https://support.live.com/default.aspx?productkey=wlmail
--
~PA Bear

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> Impossible to do, the accounts are not synchronized...
>
> Sorry to hear that. FWIW, I still have messages in my Hotmail-in-OE
> folders
> available from October 2002. Perhaps the back-up and long-term storage
> information Scott described in his most recent reply
> (http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/msg/5fedf03e884d8b22)
> is at play in your case.
>
>> Pa, you should from experience, understand what mode I'm presently in,
>> beware.
>
> From what experience? Beware of what? Is that a threat?
>
>> In present form, Microsoft/Live stands in undue effect pursuant a
>> previously PUBLICLY offered, and CROSS PLATFORM available service
>> [accessible via other clients/applications], which will soon be
>> inaccessible
>> to this CLASS of users.... I appreciate you may not understand the issue,
>> but I would suggest you stand aside until this is resolved.
>
> Uh-oh, lawyerspeak! Should we be scared? These are public newsgroups,
> Maurice: Anyone can reply to this thread. If I feel I have information
> about OE that's related to your posts/problems, I'll post a reply if I
> care
> to do so.
>
> If you need official support from MSN/Hotmail, these newsgroups are the
> wrong venue:
>
> <QP>
> Microsoft does not offer formal support for the communities you'll find
> here. Instead, our role is to provide a platform for people who want to
> take
> advantage of the global community of Microsoft customers and product
> experts...
> </QP>
> Source: http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>
> Free access to Hotmail accounts in OE has always been "provided as a beta
> service" without any support from MSN/Hotmail or Microsoft whatsoever.
>
> FYI:
>
> Microsoft Service Agreement
> http://help.live.com/help.aspx?project=tou&mkt=en-us
>
> MEB wrote:
>> Impossible to do, the accounts are not synchronized...
>>
>> Pa, you should from experience, understand what mode I'm presently in,
>> beware.
>>
>> In present form, Microsoft/Live stands in undue effect pursuant a
>> previously PUBLICLY offered, and CROSS PLATFORM available service
>> [accessible via other clients/applications], which will soon be
>> inaccessible
>> to this CLASS of users.... I appreciate you may not understand the issue,
>> but I would suggest you stand aside until this is resolved.
>>
>> --
>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Om8aOtjpIHA.2256@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> 1. Ignore the Read/Unread marking: Make sure all messages in all
>>> Hotmail-in-OE folders have been opened (i.e., message contents have been
>>> downloaded).
>>>
>>> 2. Move, drag, or Copy all messages to local OE folders you've created
>>> for
>>> this purpose.
>>> --
>>> ~PA Bear
>>>
>>>
>>> MEB wrote:
>>>> Well perhaps that would be a good idea, however, having just attempted
>>>> the
>>>> move of the saved messages to the INBOX of the web account, and
>>>> attempted
>>>> to
>>>> retrieve them via the linked DAV account [the first 25 messages of a
>>>> few
>>>> hundred], I find they are NOT transferred, even AFTER marking them as
>>>> NOT
>>>> READ. Therefore there may still be a decided interest in this
>>>> discussion
>>>> pursuant the 98 groups, at least until some resolution to the issue is
>>>> proved..
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>>>>
>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:us35QehpIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Request: Since Windows Live Mail is not supported in Win9x, please
>>>>> discontinue the pointless crossposting of further replies to
>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and
>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroups.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> --
>>>>> ~PA Bear
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>>> "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
>>>>>> <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> message news:93EC9EE3-E733-41FA-A530-FFD34C255AF1@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> HI MEB,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heeey Scott, perhaps I should mention the name is Maurice so at least
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> are on an even keel, so to speak.
>>>>>> MEB is *M*aurice *E*dward, *B*rahier

MEB · Apr 26, 2008

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uF0BrutpIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| PS: Is the "missing" Hotmail-in-OE data available at the webmail page for
| the account(s)?
|
| (Contact) Windows Live Hotmail Support
| https://support.live.com/default.aspx?productkey=wlmail
| --
| ~PA Bear
|
|
| PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| >> Impossible to do, the accounts are not synchronized...
| >
| > Sorry to hear that. FWIW, I still have messages in my Hotmail-in-OE
| > folders
| > available from October 2002. Perhaps the back-up and long-term storage
| > information Scott described in his most recent reply
| >
(http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/msg/5f
edf03e884d8b22)
| > is at play in your case.

Okay, this is a somewhat more sensible post. While waiting for a response
here and/or via Live Support:
---

I addressed [prior to reading your post] the issue of retrieval/access
through/to Live, I will inform this discussion of the correspondence and/or
outcome.

-------

Yes, as Scott presented [and I indicated], the mail IS saved upon the web
based account [since 2004/5], it is NOT transfered when placed back into the
INBOX so it can be retreived WITHOUT causing the need to access the
individual messages/saved materials *using the web access*, and then
forwarding them, individually, elsewhere.. It is NOT an issue of deleted or
removed mail, it is an issue of means and method of removal/transfer.
The error is, Microsoft/Live has been [as have most rulings related to this
type of activity] repeatedly advise in various cases [and via other general
business related rulings], that should changes be made which may unduely
effect the users abilitiy to access their accounts and/or services, and or
which otherwise affect usage, measures must be taken to ensure those
clients/customers are properly noticed of this fact and must be supplied
with methods and means to first remove and/or change their service PRIOR to
the service's/usage change.
The private user's rights generally outwiegh the corporation's when
confronting the property of the user. Users/consumers have a reasonable
expectation that the service will continue AND that if changes are made,
they have been specifically informed that it will affect their usage and how
it will affect that usage, save in special circumstances {bankruptcy,
seizure, other extenuating circumstances]

The questions/responses to Scott, were civilly presented questions noting
the key features, reminding him [a party WITH direct contact and in
Microsoft's employ, and specifically as Sr. Support Program Manager, Windows
Live Mail Technologies] of those [and other] issues.
IF Microsoft makes this proprietary change WITHOUT supplying proper Notice
with disclosure, and the method and means, then the class is instantly
created, including ALL users of the service {MSN/Hotmail/Live} using ANY OS,
EMail client, or other, who may be and/or will be precluded from accessing
their accounts in the manner to which they are presently accustomed.
IF Microsoft has supplied third parties with the code so it can be used
*cross-platform*, hence NOT requiring the {only} two supported OSs AND
client, then the affected parties may have their accustomed usage. If not,
then the *public* service has become a *private* service, and the present
users have been unduly affected.

= Now here's a an overly simplified thoretical present in the spirit of the
discussion. It does, however supply the manner in which to address this
purported Hotmail/Live change:

Think of it like this [using money, since most would be able to understand
this, or just think of it as personal property -
pictures/mail/documents/business correspondence/etc each has "value" under
its defining Laws, and Hotmail and Live IS/WAS a publicly offered service]:

You use a bank who until a certain point, had been using SSL as its method
of access for online banking. You, in good faith, created the account, used
the service, stored your money, and otherwise used this service [direct
deposit, direct payment, direction to the service for credit, etc.] .
You are informed by this banking service that a change will be made in the
access, to a new proprietary protocol and client application. The
Notification indicates there will be no noticeable change in service that
one merely needs to allow and/or install this new client/protocol. You find
out, however, that to install this client/protocol so you may continue to
use the service in the method and manner in which and via which you have
used, it can only be installed [with support] into two OSs, XP SP2 and
Vista. You do not have those OSs they were NOT required when the account
was created. You were also previously able to use other methods/clients to
access the account.
You {having researched the impact} attempt to remove your money from the
account, but find out that the means were NOT provided for you to do so
EXCEPT via small increments, so you can not close the account without
incurring substantial hardship, investing substantial time, and other.
Other users of the service also find out, after the change, [having
mistakenly relied upon the notification that it would make no noticeable
impact] their access has been destroyed in the form to which they are
accustomed. They believe they were not adequately informed prior to the
loss and also find that their personal property has been made essentially
inaccessible EXCEPT via the service's online web page OR by using the OSs,
proprietary protocol and client, which removes their ability to make an
informed choice of their own. The service is also directly related to and
REQUIRES the use of those specific OSs AND client, which they may or may not
be able to install or use, or do not wish to use.

It would be within the bank/service's defense, to present its agreements
which state it has authority to change the service at its discretion and
that it made no guarantees, and that the users had agreed to those terms and
other, prior to account creation.

It would be within the {millions of users} class action, to point out that
they were not properly Notified of the full ramifications were not afforded
proper means and method to retrieve their property and have essentially
lost access to substantial personal property due to this activity, causing
extreme harm and damage. They would be able to point to the Notification,
which appears to indicate there would be no noticeable impact upon the
accounts. They would be able to point to the "direct" relationship between
the service and the now required OSs, and client with its private
proprietary protocol. They would present that they were not required, upon
account creation, to use these specific OSs and proprietary client/protocol.
They would produce evidence that prior changes [also presented by the
service as not effecting access] did NOT affect their access, until the
change to the proprietary protocol/client which created the issue, to the
detriment of the class.

Who would be at fault? Is it you and/or the class for using the service and
supposedly signing away your rights, or the service for failing to
adequately and fully inform you of the impact of the change, and for failing
to provide the means and method to retrieve your property should you wish to
discontinue the service or otherwise protect your property prior to or after
the change?
Would this be deemed merely an inconvenience or having caused harm and
damage, by the jury, in your opinion?

Prosecution against Microsoft/Live
A state's and/or federal prosecution could easily point to the apparent
violations of the Sherman Act [anti-trust/monopoly - see prior related
rulings], prior rulings and agreements concerning Microsoft, and other
statutes/commercial Law/consumer protection Laws/other which this change
would appear to violate and/or be found in fault. It would also be easy to
point to repeated/repeat violations. Requiring a specific set of OSs and the
proprietary client/protocol for a once public offered service which did not
previously require such, creates a direct avenue for attack.

Other nations courts and prosecutors, and other nation's peoples would
also have the authority to address these issues in the form and manner which
are addressable there [its a world-wide offered service]. Any claim that a
service shall be considered under the Laws of {wherever} can be addressed
first for International application and jurisdiction which might be found
[treaties, commercial agreements, nation's authority, etc.]

Microsoft is well aware of this international [and US] application, as it
has been done/used repeatedly, both by Microsoft and against Microsoft, here
and abroad.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

| > MEB wrote:
| >> Impossible to do, the accounts are not synchronized...
| >>
| >> Pa, you should from experience, understand what mode I'm presently in,
| >> beware.
| >>
| >> In present form, Microsoft/Live stands in undue effect pursuant a
| >> previously PUBLICLY offered, and CROSS PLATFORM available service
| >> [accessible via other clients/applications], which will soon be
| >> inaccessible
| >> to this CLASS of users.... I appreciate you may not understand the
issue,
| >> but I would suggest you stand aside until this is resolved.
| >>
| >> --
| >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| >>
| >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
| >> news:Om8aOtjpIHA.2256@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| >>> 1. Ignore the Read/Unread marking: Make sure all messages in all
| >>> Hotmail-in-OE folders have been opened (i.e., message contents have
been
| >>> downloaded).
| >>>
| >>> 2. Move, drag, or Copy all messages to local OE folders you've created
| >>> for
| >>> this purpose.
| >>> --
| >>> ~PA Bear
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> MEB wrote:
| >>>> Well perhaps that would be a good idea, however, having just
attempted
| >>>> the
| >>>> move of the saved messages to the INBOX of the web account, and
| >>>> attempted
| >>>> to
| >>>> retrieve them via the linked DAV account [the first 25 messages of a
| >>>> few
| >>>> hundred], I find they are NOT transferred, even AFTER marking them as
| >>>> NOT
| >>>> READ. Therefore there may still be a decided interest in this
| >>>> discussion
| >>>> pursuant the 98 groups, at least until some resolution to the issue
is
| >>>> proved..
| >>>>
| >>>> --
| >>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| >>>>
| >>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
| >>>> news:us35QehpIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| >>>>> Request: Since Windows Live Mail is not supported in Win9x, please
| >>>>> discontinue the pointless crossposting of further replies to
| >>>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and
| >>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroups.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Thanks.
| >>>>> --
| >>>>> ~PA Bear
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> MEB wrote:
| >>>>>> "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
| >>>>>> <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote
| >>>>>> in
| >>>>>> message news:93EC9EE3-E733-41FA-A530-FFD34C255AF1@microsoft.com...
| >>>>>>> HI MEB,
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Heeey Scott, perhaps I should mention the name is Maurice so at
least
| >>>>>> we
| >>>>>> are on an even keel, so to speak.
| >>>>>> MEB is *M*aurice *E*dward, *B*rahier
|

PCR · Apr 29, 2008

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| MEB wrote:
| <snip>
|> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
|> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
|
| Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
|
| Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for
| OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS
| in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
| Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
| through 2014.
|
| That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
| this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
| microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared
| from the MS newsserver soon.

PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him to
oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

| --
| OE-specific newsgroup:
| news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
|
| ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PA Bear [MS MVP] · Apr 29, 2008

Prolly tilting at another windmill.

PCR wrote:
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> MEB wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
>>
>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
>>
>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for
>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS
>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
>> through 2014.
>>
>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared
>> from the MS newsserver soon.
>
> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him to
> oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??
>
>> --
>> OE-specific newsgroup:
>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
>>
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

PCR · Apr 29, 2008

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| Prolly tilting at another windmill.

Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a
real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be
too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he
fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

| PCR wrote:
|> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
|>> MEB wrote:
|>> <snip>
|>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
|>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
|>>
|>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
|>>
|>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for
|>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS
|>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
|>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
|>> through 2014.
|>>
|>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
|>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
|>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared
|>> from the MS newsserver soon.
|>
|> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
|> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??
|>
|>> --
|>> OE-specific newsgroup:
|>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
|>>
|>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
|>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PA Bear [MS MVP] · Apr 29, 2008

If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders in
OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K. Those
running WinXP have several options.

PCR wrote:
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.
>
> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a
> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be
> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he
> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!
>
>> PCR wrote:
>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
>>>>
>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
>>>>
>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for
>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS
>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
>>>> through 2014.
>>>>
>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared
>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.
>>>
>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:
>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
>>>>
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

PCR · Apr 29, 2008

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail
| folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x
| or Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.

Uh-oh-- that's no Cervantes windmill, then! But you &/or Hammer told him
how to save it, right? (I didn't quite get it.)

| PCR wrote:
|> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
|>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.
|>
|> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces
|> a real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks
|> to be too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of
|> data he fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!
|>
|>> PCR wrote:
|>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
|>>>> MEB wrote:
|>>>> <snip>
|>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
|>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
|>>>>
|>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
|>>>>
|>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support
|>>>> for OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as
|>>>> the OS in which OE is running is supported. Although
|>>>> (twice-)Extended Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3
|>>>> will be supported through 2014.
|>>>>
|>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
|>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
|>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup
|>>>> disappeared from the MS newsserver soon.
|>>>
|>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent
|>>> him to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped
|>>> NG!!??
|>>>
|>>>> --
|>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:
|>>>>
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
|>>>>
|>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
|>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

MEB · Apr 30, 2008

Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond...

Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as Microsoft is
attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with the FTC as well.

Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been issued for far less
than what is presently proposed.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:OaB6HgnqIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| | If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail
| | folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x
| | or Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.
|
| Uh-oh-- that's no Cervantes windmill, then! But you &/or Hammer told him
| how to save it, right? (I didn't quite get it.)
|
| | PCR wrote:
| |> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| |>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.
| |>
| |> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces
| |> a real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks
| |> to be too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of
| |> data he fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!
| |>
| |>> PCR wrote:
| |>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| |>>>> MEB wrote:
| |>>>> <snip>
| |>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
| |>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
| |>>>>
| |>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
| |>>>>
| |>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support
| |>>>> for OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as
| |>>>> the OS in which OE is running is supported. Although
| |>>>> (twice-)Extended Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3
| |>>>> will be supported through 2014.
| |>>>>
| |>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
| |>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
| |>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup
| |>>>> disappeared from the MS newsserver soon.
| |>>>
| |>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent
| |>>> him to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped
| |>>> NG!!??
| |>>>
| |>>>> --
| |>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:
| |>>>>
| news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
| |>>>>
| |>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| |>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
|

Gary S. Terhune · Apr 30, 2008

And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what,
"move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up that
even that doesn't work?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders
> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.
> Those running WinXP have several options.
>
> PCR wrote:
>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.
>>
>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a
>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be
>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he
>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!
>>
>>> PCR wrote:
>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
>>>>>
>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for
>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS
>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
>>>>> through 2014.
>>>>>
>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared
>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.
>>>>
>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:
>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>

Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM · Apr 30, 2008

Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what,
> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up
> that even that doesn't work?
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders
>> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.
>> Those running WinXP have several options.
>>
>> PCR wrote:
>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.
>>>
>>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a
>>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be
>>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he
>>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!
>>>
>>>> PCR wrote:
>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
>>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for
>>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS
>>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
>>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
>>>>>> through 2014.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
>>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
>>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared
>>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
>>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??
>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:
>>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

thanatoid · Apr 30, 2008

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:#9RtUnpqIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond...

I hope you are a VERY patient man.

> Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as
> Microsoft is
> attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with
> the FTC as well.
>
> Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been
> issued for far less
> than what is presently proposed.

You either have me KF'd or decided to just not to reply to
anything I say, but I will say this anyway:

Nothing would please me more than a successful class-action suit
by millions and millions of Hotmail users against MS. However I
believe that the user agreement clearly states (as they ALL do)
that the service is provided with no guarantees of /any/ kind.
(Although even if it DID come with a guarantee I would still not
keep my mail on it.)

Of course, they make you sign a similar statement when you check
into a hospital, so it may be a legally invalid clause due to it
becoming as commonplace as to render it meaningless in RL.

--
Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite in so far, I mean,
as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas
most people deserve none at all and again in so far as it
demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people,
when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.

- Arthur Schopenhauer

PA Bear [MS MVP] · Apr 30, 2008

What Frank said: Simply drag, Move, or Copy the Hotmail messages to one or
more local OE folders created for this purpose.

Dragging or Moving the messages will move Hotmail's copies to Hotmail's
Deleted Items folder by default.

Tip: Do NOT use OE's default Inbox or any other default OE folder for
archiving messages.
--
~Robear

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what,
> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up
> that
> even that doesn't work?
>
>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders
>> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.
>> Those running WinXP have several options.
>>
>>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.
<snip>
>>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
>>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

Gary S. Terhune · Apr 30, 2008

And that works whether you're a paying member or not?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com...
> Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what,
>> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up
>> that even that doesn't work?
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail
>>> folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or
>>> Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.
>>>
>>> PCR wrote:
>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a
>>>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be
>>>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he
>>>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!
>>>>
>>>>> PCR wrote:
>>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
>>>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for
>>>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS
>>>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
>>>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
>>>>>>> through 2014.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
>>>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
>>>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared
>>>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
>>>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:
>>>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
>

MEB · Apr 30, 2008

I'll use this one for response [as the rest are basically the same
suggestions].

Sorry, this doesn't work for these accounts, which Live is well aware of.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com...
| Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to
what,
| > "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up
| > that even that doesn't work?
| >
| > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| >> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail
folders
| >> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.
| >> Those running WinXP have several options.
| >>
| >> PCR wrote:
| >>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| >>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.
| >>>
| >>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a
| >>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to
be
| >>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he
| >>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!
| >>>
| >>>> PCR wrote:
| >>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| >>>>>> MEB wrote:
| >>>>>> <snip>
| >>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
| >>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support
for
| >>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the
OS
| >>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
| >>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
| >>>>>> through 2014.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
| >>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
| >>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup
disappeared
| >>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
| >>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??
| >>>>>
| >>>>>> --
| >>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:
| >>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
|

MEB · Apr 30, 2008

Why would I have you KF'd?

What was it that you presented, anywhere in this discussion group, that I
was supposed to respond to?

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9A907C3427A7Dthanexit@66.250.146.158...
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in
| news:#9RtUnpqIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
|
| > Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond...
|
| I hope you are a VERY patient man.
|
| > Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as
| > Microsoft is
| > attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with
| > the FTC as well.
| >
| > Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been
| > issued for far less
| > than what is presently proposed.
|
| You either have me KF'd or decided to just not to reply to
| anything I say, but I will say this anyway:
|
| Nothing would please me more than a successful class-action suit
| by millions and millions of Hotmail users against MS. However I
| believe that the user agreement clearly states (as they ALL do)
| that the service is provided with no guarantees of /any/ kind.
| (Although even if it DID come with a guarantee I would still not
| keep my mail on it.)
|
| Of course, they make you sign a similar statement when you check
| into a hospital, so it may be a legally invalid clause due to it
| becoming as commonplace as to render it meaningless in RL.
|
|
|
| --
| Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite in so far, I mean,
| as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas
| most people deserve none at all and again in so far as it
| demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people,
| when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.
|
| - Arthur Schopenhauer

PA Bear [MS MVP] · Apr 30, 2008

Yes, at least until after 30 June 2008 when all Hotmail messages and folders
will disappear (in OE only) when/if OE attempts to synchronize with the
non-existant WebDAV servers.

NB: If you uncheck "Include this account when receiving mail and
synchronizing" in OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | Hotmail | Properties |
General by 30 June 2008 and do NOT attempt to synchronize with the Hotmail
servers manually (via Send/Receive dropdown menu), the messages and folders
/should/ not be affected.
--
~Robear

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> And that works whether you're a paying member or not?
>
>
> "Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com...
>> Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>> news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to
>>> what,
>>> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up
>>> that even that doesn't work?
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail
>>>> folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or
>>>> Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.
>>>>
>>>> PCR wrote:
>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a
>>>>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to
>>>>> be
>>>>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he
>>>>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!
>>>>>
>>>>>> PCR wrote:
>>>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
>>>>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the
>>>>>>>> OS
>>>>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
>>>>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
>>>>>>>> through 2014.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
>>>>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup
>>>>>>>> disappeared
>>>>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
>>>>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:
>>>>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

PA Bear [MS MVP] · Apr 30, 2008

Apples and oranges: It does work if the messages are available in (have been
downloaded to) the Hotmail-in-OE folders, Maurice. The fact that
some/many/most of yours are not available has nothing to do with this
functionality.
--
~PA Bear

MEB wrote:
> Sorry, this doesn't work for these accounts, which Live is well aware of.
>
>> Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.
>>
>>> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to
>>> what,
>>> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up
>>> that even that doesn't work?
>>>
>>>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail
>>>> folders
>>>> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.
>>>> Those running WinXP have several options.

Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

MEB

PA Bear [MS MVP]

MEB

PA Bear [MS MVP]

MEB

PCR

PA Bear [MS MVP]

PCR

PA Bear [MS MVP]

PCR

MEB

Gary S. Terhune

Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM

thanatoid

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Gary S. Terhune

MEB

MEB

PA Bear [MS MVP]

PA Bear [MS MVP]

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