Re: Thinking of ditching Vista for Ubuntu?

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Bill Yanaire

On May 9, 8:41 am, Alias <iamal...@nukethisgmail.com> wrote:
> Here's what you can do with Ubuntu:
>
> Email
> Surf the web
> Burn CDs.
> Rip CDs.
> Listen to music.
> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
> Scan and print.
> Spreadsheets.
> Presentations
> Newsgroups.
> HTML editing.
> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
> Make videos.
> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
> Translations.
> Use a dictionary
> Learn how to touch type.
> Edit images.
> Send and receive a fax.
> Take screen shots.
> Create .PDF files.
> Create and use a data base.
> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one including
> Windows Live Messenger.
> IRC.
> Bluetooth.
>
> and much more!
>
> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>
> Worry about:
> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
> DRM,
> Viruses,
> Root kits,
> Spyware,
> and
> Malware.
>
> Seems like an obvious choice to me: ditch Vista and get Ubuntu, which is
> FREE, along with access to 23,000 FREE programs. Check it out athttp://www..ubuntu.com/
>
> Alias

Are you FUKKING Kidding? Ubuntu is only good for E-Mail, Web Surfing,
and writing a simple letter to your MAMA! If you want to do REAL
work, use Windows XP or Vista. That is where the powerhouse works!
Ubuntu only has a small marketshare and for being a FREE product you
would think that it would have penitrated the market better. Go
figure. A FREE product that NOBODY wants. Must be a piece of crap.

Yes, Ubuntu is a Piece of Crap for Most people. Only those who want
to do just the basic tasks, Ubuntu is just fine.
 
A

Alias

Bill Yanaire wrote:
> On May 9, 8:41 am, Alias <iamal...@nukethisgmail.com> wrote:
>> Here's what you can do with Ubuntu:
>>
>> Email
>> Surf the web
>> Burn CDs.
>> Rip CDs.
>> Listen to music.
>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>> Scan and print.
>> Spreadsheets.
>> Presentations
>> Newsgroups.
>> HTML editing.
>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>> Make videos.
>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>> Translations.
>> Use a dictionary
>> Learn how to touch type.
>> Edit images.
>> Send and receive a fax.
>> Take screen shots.
>> Create .PDF files.
>> Create and use a data base.
>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one including
>> Windows Live Messenger.
>> IRC.
>> Bluetooth.
>>
>> and much more!
>>
>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>
>> Worry about:
>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>> DRM,
>> Viruses,
>> Root kits,
>> Spyware,
>> and
>> Malware.
>>
>> Seems like an obvious choice to me: ditch Vista and get Ubuntu, which is
>> FREE, along with access to 23,000 FREE programs. Check it out athttp://www.ubuntu.com/
>>
>> Alias
>
> Are you FUKKING Kidding? Ubuntu is only good for E-Mail, Web Surfing,
> and writing a simple letter to your MAMA! If you want to do REAL
> work, use Windows XP or Vista. That is where the powerhouse works!
> Ubuntu only has a small marketshare and for being a FREE product you
> would think that it would have penitrated the market better. Go
> figure. A FREE product that NOBODY wants. Must be a piece of crap.
>
> Yes, Ubuntu is a Piece of Crap for Most people. Only those who want
> to do just the basic tasks, Ubuntu is just fine.
>

Have a reading comprehension problem, eh? If you scroll up you will see
a long list of things that can be done with Ubuntu. Course, you have
admitted you're too stupid to install Ubuntu so we are subjected to your
lying sour grapes. Get over it and learn how to install Ubuntu so you
can intelligently make a comment.

Alias
 
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wayneP

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:g0224d$uiq$1@aioe.org...
> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>> On May 9, 8:41 am, Alias <iamal...@nukethisgmail.com> wrote:
>>> Here's what you can do with Ubuntu:
>>>
>>> Email
>>> Surf the web
>>> Burn CDs.
>>> Rip CDs.
>>> Listen to music.
>>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>>> Scan and print.
>>> Spreadsheets.
>>> Presentations
>>> Newsgroups.
>>> HTML editing.
>>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>>> Make videos.
>>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>>> Translations.
>>> Use a dictionary
>>> Learn how to touch type.
>>> Edit images.
>>> Send and receive a fax.
>>> Take screen shots.
>>> Create .PDF files.
>>> Create and use a data base.
>>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one including
>>> Windows Live Messenger.
>>> IRC.
>>> Bluetooth.
>>>
>>> and much more!
>>>
>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>>
>>> Worry about:
>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>>> DRM,
>>> Viruses,
>>> Root kits,
>>> Spyware,
>>> and
>>> Malware.
>>>
>>> Seems like an obvious choice to me: ditch Vista and get Ubuntu, which is
>>> FREE, along with access to 23,000 FREE programs. Check it out
>>> athttp://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> Are you FUKKING Kidding? Ubuntu is only good for E-Mail, Web Surfing,
>> and writing a simple letter to your MAMA! If you want to do REAL
>> work, use Windows XP or Vista. That is where the powerhouse works!
>> Ubuntu only has a small marketshare and for being a FREE product you
>> would think that it would have penitrated the market better. Go
>> figure. A FREE product that NOBODY wants. Must be a piece of crap.
>>
>> Yes, Ubuntu is a Piece of Crap for Most people. Only those who want
>> to do just the basic tasks, Ubuntu is just fine.
>>
>
> Have a reading comprehension problem, eh? If you scroll up you will see a
> long list of things that can be done with Ubuntu. Course, you have
> admitted you're too stupid to install Ubuntu so we are subjected to your
> lying sour grapes. Get over it and learn how to install Ubuntu so you can
> intelligently make a comment.
>
> Alias

I don't want to get into 'pissing match', but I've used Ubuntu and Linspire
which used to use Debian but has switched to Ubuntu and none of the various
versions of Linux suit me. The biggest draw back is scanning ability. There
are relatively few scanners that work with any Linux variant. I couldn't get
a Plustek scanner that was supposed to work in Linux to work and I'm not
aware of any HP scanners that work in Linux.

Ubuntu does include rudimentary capabilities for many functions but if you
want anything beyond the rudimentary it is difficult to find and more
difficult to install if you aren't a computer geek. Viruses, spyware, etc.
aren't an issue because the installed base isn't worth the the trouble to
try to create havoc. Although I don't have the reference, I read sometime
ago that Linux and/or Apple aren't anymore secure from viruses etc. they are
just secure from Windows directed viruses, etc..
 
B

Bill Yanaire

"Frank" <fb@signm.crt> wrote in message
news:48249528$0$30526$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> wayneP wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0224d$uiq$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 9, 8:41 am, Alias <iamal...@nukethisgmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's what you can do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>
>>>>> Email
>>>>> Surf the web
>>>>> Burn CDs.
>>>>> Rip CDs.
>>>>> Listen to music.
>>>>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>>>>> Scan and print.
>>>>> Spreadsheets.
>>>>> Presentations
>>>>> Newsgroups.
>>>>> HTML editing.
>>>>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>>>>> Make videos.
>>>>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>>>>> Translations.
>>>>> Use a dictionary
>>>>> Learn how to touch type.
>>>>> Edit images.
>>>>> Send and receive a fax.
>>>>> Take screen shots.
>>>>> Create .PDF files.
>>>>> Create and use a data base.
>>>>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one including
>>>>> Windows Live Messenger.
>>>>> IRC.
>>>>> Bluetooth.
>>>>>
>>>>> and much more!
>>>>>
>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>
>>>>> Worry about:
>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>>>>> DRM,
>>>>> Viruses,
>>>>> Root kits,
>>>>> Spyware,
>>>>> and
>>>>> Malware.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like an obvious choice to me: ditch Vista and get Ubuntu, which
>>>>> is
>>>>> FREE, along with access to 23,000 FREE programs. Check it out
>>>>> athttp://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you FUKKING Kidding? Ubuntu is only good for E-Mail, Web Surfing,
>>>> and writing a simple letter to your MAMA! If you want to do REAL
>>>> work, use Windows XP or Vista. That is where the powerhouse works!
>>>> Ubuntu only has a small marketshare and for being a FREE product you
>>>> would think that it would have penitrated the market better. Go
>>>> figure. A FREE product that NOBODY wants. Must be a piece of crap.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Ubuntu is a Piece of Crap for Most people. Only those who want
>>>> to do just the basic tasks, Ubuntu is just fine.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Have a reading comprehension problem, eh? If you scroll up you will see
>>> a long list of things that can be done with Ubuntu. Course, you have
>>> admitted you're too stupid to install Ubuntu so we are subjected to your
>>> lying sour grapes. Get over it and learn how to install Ubuntu so you
>>> can intelligently make a comment.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> I don't want to get into 'pissing match', but I've used Ubuntu and
>> Linspire which used to use Debian but has switched to Ubuntu and none of
>> the various versions of Linux suit me. The biggest draw back is scanning
>> ability. There are relatively few scanners that work with any Linux
>> variant. I couldn't get a Plustek scanner that was supposed to work in
>> Linux to work and I'm not aware of any HP scanners that work in Linux.
>>
>> Ubuntu does include rudimentary capabilities for many functions but if
>> you want anything beyond the rudimentary it is difficult to find and more
>> difficult to install if you aren't a computer geek. Viruses, spyware,
>> etc. aren't an issue because the installed base isn't worth the the
>> trouble to try to create havoc. Although I don't have the reference, I
>> read sometime ago that Linux and/or Apple aren't anymore secure from
>> viruses etc. they are just secure from Windows directed viruses, etc..
>>
>>
>>
> Ut oh...don't tell that to alias, or else he'll get mad and proly beat his
> sheep!...LOL!
> Frank

Maybe that's Alias's way of "meat tenderizing"!
 
C

Canuck57

"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message
news:g02g86$op0$1@reader2.panix.com...
> In article
> <b5f08f10-592a-454c-b281-26fc25db2006@n1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
> Bill Yanaire <BillYanaire@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Are you FUKKING Kidding? Ubuntu is only good for E-Mail, Web Surfing,
>>and writing a simple letter to your MAMA! If you want to do REAL
>>work, use Windows XP or Vista. That is where the powerhouse works!
>
> Lol. Maybe if you think Photoshop is the alpha and omega of
> computer software.

And there are substitutes for it on Linux.

> Wanna try and build a 128 node parallel processing machine on
> Vista?

Never happen for real. Certainly, even if you put 12800 Vista in the
cluster it wouldn't make the top500. It would be a CF for sure. Network
and disk bottlenecks would preclude Vista from even entering any meaningful
large scale parallel processing.

http://www.top500.org/

But does look like Microsoft has crept up the list. At position 116 you can
find the top Windows entry. Right behind 115 Linux/UNIX systems. W2003
Compute Cluster from Dell. 2048 processors and submitted by "Industry".
Which means no one is actually using it as configured. A vendor entry for
sales.

You can find the similar Dell hardware up at position 110 but only with 1760
processors, 288 fewer than above but rnning Linux. It is ranked higher and
someone is actually using it.

Pretty safe to say that Vista would lucky to be a dumb terminal in the
top500.


>>Ubuntu only has a small marketshare and for being a FREE product you
>>would think that it would have penitrated the market better. Go
>
> Ah yes, ad populum. Now there's an example of a rational mind
> at work. If all your friends jumped off the roof would you jump off the
> roof too?

There are a lot of people who do follow Microsoft like the Pied Piper.
 
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Apply Directly To Forehead

"Frank" <fb@signm.crt> wrote in message
news:4824dfa2$0$30520$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> spankydemonkey@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On May 9, 4:02 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 14:23:35 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <b...@yanaire.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Adam Albright" <A...@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:h1g924hs3fk5glhklkp1v4l9am1l7ot8ib@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:26:14 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <b...@yanaire.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Maybe that's Alias's way of "meat tenderizing"!
>>>
>>>>>Say Bill, you have a life outside of sniffing around Frank's rear end?
>>>
>>>>Yes, I work to get predators off the street. Better watch your back!
>>>
>>>Oh, you're a wannabe vigilante. I figured you'd be some kind of
>>>lowlife.
>>
>>
>> So you think that someone who gets predators off the street is a
>> lowlife? You must be a predator yourself! You probably hang around
>> the elementary school Sicko
>
> Ask mr drunken pig what he was recently locked up for?...LOL!
> Frank

He probably was Sheep_FUKKIN along with that poor sap, Alias.
 
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Adam Albright

On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:35:01 -0700, Frank <fb@signm.crt> wrote:

>spankydemonkey@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On May 9, 4:02 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 14:23:35 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <b...@yanaire.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Adam Albright" <A...@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:h1g924hs3fk5glhklkp1v4l9am1l7ot8ib@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:26:14 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <b...@yanaire.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Maybe that's Alias's way of "meat tenderizing"!
>>>
>>>>>Say Bill, you have a life outside of sniffing around Frank's rear end?
>>>
>>>>Yes, I work to get predators off the street. Better watch your back!
>>>
>>>Oh, you're a wannabe vigilante. I figured you'd be some kind of
>>>lowlife.
>>
>>
>> So you think that someone who gets predators off the street is a
>> lowlife? You must be a predator yourself! You probably hang around
>> the elementary school Sicko
>
>Ask mr drunken pig what he was recently locked up for?...LOL!
>Frank

Well doofus while you were flapping your gums and making an ass of
yourself I was serving on a jury in a felony case this week.
 
F

Frank

Canuck57 wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@signm.crt> wrote in message
> news:4824da86$0$30485$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>>Canuck57 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Lol. Maybe if you think Photoshop is the alpha and omega of
>>>>computer software.
>>
>>Who said that?
>
>
> The person I replied to, can't you see the indents?
>
>
>>>And there are substitutes for it on Linux.
>>
>>Sorry, but there is no substitute for Adobe's Photoshop.
>
>
> GIMP or have it your way. Plus, Adobe is rumoured to be planning a Linux
> release.

They already did...weeks ago...any no one cared. Adobe is not in the
habit of cutting their own throat.
>
> http://max.limpag.com/2007/05/27/installing-photoshop-on-ubuntu-linux/
>
> Funny, GIMP for a gimp.
>
gimp is no where near photoshop in it's graphics handling abilities...sorry!
Frank
 
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Adam Albright

On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:00:24 GMT, "Canuck57"
<dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:96o92454l1b6ve7gh31sh9c6lbfjop9pro@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:35:01 -0700, Frank <fb@signm.crt> wrote:
>>
>>>spankydemonkey@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 9, 4:02 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 14:23:35 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <b...@yanaire.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Adam Albright" <A...@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:h1g924hs3fk5glhklkp1v4l9am1l7ot8ib@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:26:14 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <b...@yanaire.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Maybe that's Alias's way of "meat tenderizing"!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Say Bill, you have a life outside of sniffing around Frank's rear end?
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, I work to get predators off the street. Better watch your back!
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh, you're a wannabe vigilante. I figured you'd be some kind of
>>>>>lowlife.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you think that someone who gets predators off the street is a
>>>> lowlife? You must be a predator yourself! You probably hang around
>>>> the elementary school Sicko
>>>
>>>Ask mr drunken pig what he was recently locked up for?...LOL!
>>>Frank
>>
>> Well doofus while you were flapping your gums and making an ass of
>> yourself I was serving on a jury in a felony case this week.
>
>So were they guilty?

Young guy accused of domestic violence claimed to have punched/slapped
his wife. Seemed like a reach. The wife did NOT testify against him.
Over zealous states attorney didn't do a very good job, only had the
cop that responded to neighbor's call and a couple pictures that
really didn't show much of anything. Wasn't even a he said, she said.

Funny, normally the 100 odd people in the jury pool would have been
left go by 3:30, they picked 30 of us at the last minute, this guy
deciding very late he wanted a jury trial. His lucky day, the judge
was a real no nonsense hard ass with a record of throwing the book at
everybody. I looked up the Judge's record when I got home and he was
overturned by the Appeals court more than once, in one case for
failing to remove a shock belt on someone else accused of a double
murder. Judge said, that's the Sheriff's call. Appeals court said NO,
judge's job to decide if or not it was proper on a case by case basis
since he obviously could be an influence to any jury seeing any
defendant wearing such a device.

Was our guy guilty? Maybe. The state didn't prove it. Not even close.
 
C

Canuck57

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:rkp924lhen1k1pis4738llad3mugteub4f@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:00:24 GMT, "Canuck57"
> <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>news:96o92454l1b6ve7gh31sh9c6lbfjop9pro@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:35:01 -0700, Frank <fb@signm.crt> wrote:
>>>
>>>>spankydemonkey@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On May 9, 4:02 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 14:23:35 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <b...@yanaire.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Adam Albright" <A...@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:h1g924hs3fk5glhklkp1v4l9am1l7ot8ib@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:26:14 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <b...@yanaire.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Maybe that's Alias's way of "meat tenderizing"!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Say Bill, you have a life outside of sniffing around Frank's rear
>>>>>>>>end?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, I work to get predators off the street. Better watch your back!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh, you're a wannabe vigilante. I figured you'd be some kind of
>>>>>>lowlife.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So you think that someone who gets predators off the street is a
>>>>> lowlife? You must be a predator yourself! You probably hang around
>>>>> the elementary school Sicko
>>>>
>>>>Ask mr drunken pig what he was recently locked up for?...LOL!
>>>>Frank
>>>
>>> Well doofus while you were flapping your gums and making an ass of
>>> yourself I was serving on a jury in a felony case this week.
>>
>>So were they guilty?
>
> Young guy accused of domestic violence claimed to have punched/slapped
> his wife. Seemed like a reach. The wife did NOT testify against him.
> Over zealous states attorney didn't do a very good job, only had the
> cop that responded to neighbor's call and a couple pictures that
> really didn't show much of anything. Wasn't even a he said, she said.
>
> Funny, normally the 100 odd people in the jury pool would have been
> left go by 3:30, they picked 30 of us at the last minute, this guy
> deciding very late he wanted a jury trial. His lucky day, the judge
> was a real no nonsense hard ass with a record of throwing the book at
> everybody. I looked up the Judge's record when I got home and he was
> overturned by the Appeals court more than once, in one case for
> failing to remove a shock belt on someone else accused of a double
> murder. Judge said, that's the Sheriff's call. Appeals court said NO,
> judge's job to decide if or not it was proper on a case by case basis
> since he obviously could be an influence to any jury seeing any
> defendant wearing such a device.
>
> Was our guy guilty? Maybe. The state didn't prove it. Not even close.

Then I guess made for a quick decision, let him walk. Does not surprise me
the wife didn't testify for or against him. Probably was guilty but no
proof means a freebee. Never sat on a jury before, wouldn't mind as long as
it isn't one of those year long ordeals.
 
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Adam Albright

On Sat, 10 May 2008 14:42:00 GMT, "Canuck57"
<dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:rkp924lhen1k1pis4738llad3mugteub4f@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:00:24 GMT, "Canuck57"
>> <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>news:96o92454l1b6ve7gh31sh9c6lbfjop9pro@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:35:01 -0700, Frank <fb@signm.crt> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>spankydemonkey@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 9, 4:02 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 14:23:35 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <b...@yanaire.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Adam Albright" <A...@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:h1g924hs3fk5glhklkp1v4l9am1l7ot8ib@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:26:14 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <b...@yanaire.com>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Maybe that's Alias's way of "meat tenderizing"!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Say Bill, you have a life outside of sniffing around Frank's rear
>>>>>>>>>end?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, I work to get predators off the street. Better watch your back!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oh, you're a wannabe vigilante. I figured you'd be some kind of
>>>>>>>lowlife.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you think that someone who gets predators off the street is a
>>>>>> lowlife? You must be a predator yourself! You probably hang around
>>>>>> the elementary school Sicko
>>>>>
>>>>>Ask mr drunken pig what he was recently locked up for?...LOL!
>>>>>Frank
>>>>
>>>> Well doofus while you were flapping your gums and making an ass of
>>>> yourself I was serving on a jury in a felony case this week.
>>>
>>>So were they guilty?
>>
>> Young guy accused of domestic violence claimed to have punched/slapped
>> his wife. Seemed like a reach. The wife did NOT testify against him.
>> Over zealous states attorney didn't do a very good job, only had the
>> cop that responded to neighbor's call and a couple pictures that
>> really didn't show much of anything. Wasn't even a he said, she said.
>>
>> Funny, normally the 100 odd people in the jury pool would have been
>> left go by 3:30, they picked 30 of us at the last minute, this guy
>> deciding very late he wanted a jury trial. His lucky day, the judge
>> was a real no nonsense hard ass with a record of throwing the book at
>> everybody. I looked up the Judge's record when I got home and he was
>> overturned by the Appeals court more than once, in one case for
>> failing to remove a shock belt on someone else accused of a double
>> murder. Judge said, that's the Sheriff's call. Appeals court said NO,
>> judge's job to decide if or not it was proper on a case by case basis
>> since he obviously could be an influence to any jury seeing any
>> defendant wearing such a device.
>>
>> Was our guy guilty? Maybe. The state didn't prove it. Not even close.
>
>Then I guess made for a quick decision, let him walk. Does not surprise me
>the wife didn't testify for or against him. Probably was guilty but no
>proof means a freebee. Never sat on a jury before, wouldn't mind as long as
>it isn't one of those year long ordeals.

Overall it was an interesting experience the actual trial lasted less
than three hours. The only downside which I suppose is common and
unavailable is the long waits in the Jury Pool Room.

The process begins when the County (I live in Illinois) selects people
from voting rolls and registered drivers. You are required to serve
one week or the length of the trial if selected which ever is longer.

You get an official looking summons. Off the bat they tell you it is
your "duty" and response is obligatory, not optional. The next step is
to fill out a brief online questionnaire. Basic questions, like if
you're over 18, live in the county, ever been convicted, or were a
witness or a party to a civil or criminal trial, stuff like that.

Then you wait. In my case I got the first notice in early March, then
got the official summons a couple weeks ago. You are instructed to
report to the main jury room in the County Court House. About 120
people show up at 8:30 AM.

You just sit there and can't leave the room. Very crowded, chairs
right on top of each other in rows. Nothing to do. Around 11:00 AM a
judge shows up and apologizes for the poor conditions, thanks you for
coming and explains the procedure then one of several times you take a
sworn oath. Then you wait some more.

You can not leave the jury pool room, expect to go to the bathroom and
then you still need to go through metal detectors each time. You do
get a couple hours for lunch then back to waiting. Around 3:30 PM or a
little later you are released for the day and told to check in online.
You do this twice a day, after 8:30 AM and again after 4:30 PM. You
receive instructions what time to report the next day or if you're
excused for the morning and/or afternoon session.

Cycle Repeats. If you're lucky a Bailiff from one of the courts comes
down with a list of juror numbers. Between 30-35 are picked and lined
up out in the hall. You're marched off into a couple elevators, always
marshaled by several Bailiffs and/or Sheriff deputies that never leave
you out of their sight, unlike Traffic Court where Bailiffs tend to be
rude and obnoxious they are highly respectful of potential jurors and
watch over them like mother hens.

Again the potential jurors are lined up by juror number in the hallway
outside the courtrooms. The Bailiff tells you where to sit, you just
file in the jury box and gallery and march in. Out of respect as you
were told before everyone in the court room hears the clerk say all
rise and the accused, his attorney and the DA as well as everyone else
except the judge stands as the potential jury marches in. The judge
asks some basic yes/no questions, like can you be impartial, will you
follow the law as I've instructed you, etc.. Then you stand and take
another oath.

You see both attorneys have a printed version of the questionnaire you
filled out in front of them then several of the potential jurors are
asked probing questions, some rather personal. The judge, accused and
the attorney leave the court room and return about ten minutes later.
The judge excuses the people that have been excluded. Each side can
reject up to five jurors without case or anyone with cause.

The judge thanks everyone, the impaneled jury gets told when to report
the next day, and the trial begins.

The Court takes potential jurors showing up seriously. You are given a
ID badge with bar codes you must wear and it gets scanned
electronically. If you don't show or skip at the lunch break and don't
come back the clerk tells you doing that you are in deep trouble.

In my group the Bailiff counted noses downstairs and came up first
with 29. He recounted and got 30 or the number of potential jurors he
was suppose to deliver to the court room. Once upstairs, he lined us
up, counted again, again getting only 29. The first thing the Bailiff
did after the rest of us were seated was inform the judge who skipped.
I wouldn't want to be that guy.

They will make a quick search for you in the court house, if not
found, will call your home once, you employer once. Not located, the
judge may issue a bench warrant. Those that "forget" to show up or
sneak out at lunch time face a stiff fine or up to five days vacation
in the county jail.

All and all a interested experience of our judicial system.
 
C

Canuck57

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:2pfb24dflgsotds15bavr0jphm6itfnqgc@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 14:42:00 GMT, "Canuck57"
> <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>news:rkp924lhen1k1pis4738llad3mugteub4f@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:00:24 GMT, "Canuck57"
>>> <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:96o92454l1b6ve7gh31sh9c6lbfjop9pro@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:35:01 -0700, Frank <fb@signm.crt> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>spankydemonkey@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 9, 4:02 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 14:23:35 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <b...@yanaire.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Adam Albright" <A...@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:h1g924hs3fk5glhklkp1v4l9am1l7ot8ib@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:26:14 -0700, "Bill Yanaire"
>>>>>>>>>><b...@yanaire.com>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe that's Alias's way of "meat tenderizing"!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Say Bill, you have a life outside of sniffing around Frank's rear
>>>>>>>>>>end?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, I work to get predators off the street. Better watch your
>>>>>>>>>back!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Oh, you're a wannabe vigilante. I figured you'd be some kind of
>>>>>>>>lowlife.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you think that someone who gets predators off the street is a
>>>>>>> lowlife? You must be a predator yourself! You probably hang around
>>>>>>> the elementary school Sicko
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ask mr drunken pig what he was recently locked up for?...LOL!
>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>
>>>>> Well doofus while you were flapping your gums and making an ass of
>>>>> yourself I was serving on a jury in a felony case this week.
>>>>
>>>>So were they guilty?
>>>
>>> Young guy accused of domestic violence claimed to have punched/slapped
>>> his wife. Seemed like a reach. The wife did NOT testify against him.
>>> Over zealous states attorney didn't do a very good job, only had the
>>> cop that responded to neighbor's call and a couple pictures that
>>> really didn't show much of anything. Wasn't even a he said, she said.
>>>
>>> Funny, normally the 100 odd people in the jury pool would have been
>>> left go by 3:30, they picked 30 of us at the last minute, this guy
>>> deciding very late he wanted a jury trial. His lucky day, the judge
>>> was a real no nonsense hard ass with a record of throwing the book at
>>> everybody. I looked up the Judge's record when I got home and he was
>>> overturned by the Appeals court more than once, in one case for
>>> failing to remove a shock belt on someone else accused of a double
>>> murder. Judge said, that's the Sheriff's call. Appeals court said NO,
>>> judge's job to decide if or not it was proper on a case by case basis
>>> since he obviously could be an influence to any jury seeing any
>>> defendant wearing such a device.
>>>
>>> Was our guy guilty? Maybe. The state didn't prove it. Not even close.
>>
>>Then I guess made for a quick decision, let him walk. Does not surprise
>>me
>>the wife didn't testify for or against him. Probably was guilty but no
>>proof means a freebee. Never sat on a jury before, wouldn't mind as long
>>as
>>it isn't one of those year long ordeals.
>
> Overall it was an interesting experience the actual trial lasted less
> than three hours. The only downside which I suppose is common and
> unavailable is the long waits in the Jury Pool Room.
>
> The process begins when the County (I live in Illinois) selects people
> from voting rolls and registered drivers. You are required to serve
> one week or the length of the trial if selected which ever is longer.
>
> You get an official looking summons. Off the bat they tell you it is
> your "duty" and response is obligatory, not optional. The next step is
> to fill out a brief online questionnaire. Basic questions, like if
> you're over 18, live in the county, ever been convicted, or were a
> witness or a party to a civil or criminal trial, stuff like that.
>
> Then you wait. In my case I got the first notice in early March, then
> got the official summons a couple weeks ago. You are instructed to
> report to the main jury room in the County Court House. About 120
> people show up at 8:30 AM.
>
> You just sit there and can't leave the room. Very crowded, chairs
> right on top of each other in rows. Nothing to do. Around 11:00 AM a
> judge shows up and apologizes for the poor conditions, thanks you for
> coming and explains the procedure then one of several times you take a
> sworn oath. Then you wait some more.
>
> You can not leave the jury pool room, expect to go to the bathroom and
> then you still need to go through metal detectors each time. You do
> get a couple hours for lunch then back to waiting. Around 3:30 PM or a
> little later you are released for the day and told to check in online.
> You do this twice a day, after 8:30 AM and again after 4:30 PM. You
> receive instructions what time to report the next day or if you're
> excused for the morning and/or afternoon session.
>
> Cycle Repeats. If you're lucky a Bailiff from one of the courts comes
> down with a list of juror numbers. Between 30-35 are picked and lined
> up out in the hall. You're marched off into a couple elevators, always
> marshaled by several Bailiffs and/or Sheriff deputies that never leave
> you out of their sight, unlike Traffic Court where Bailiffs tend to be
> rude and obnoxious they are highly respectful of potential jurors and
> watch over them like mother hens.
>
> Again the potential jurors are lined up by juror number in the hallway
> outside the courtrooms. The Bailiff tells you where to sit, you just
> file in the jury box and gallery and march in. Out of respect as you
> were told before everyone in the court room hears the clerk say all
> rise and the accused, his attorney and the DA as well as everyone else
> except the judge stands as the potential jury marches in. The judge
> asks some basic yes/no questions, like can you be impartial, will you
> follow the law as I've instructed you, etc.. Then you stand and take
> another oath.
>
> You see both attorneys have a printed version of the questionnaire you
> filled out in front of them then several of the potential jurors are
> asked probing questions, some rather personal. The judge, accused and
> the attorney leave the court room and return about ten minutes later.
> The judge excuses the people that have been excluded. Each side can
> reject up to five jurors without case or anyone with cause.
>
> The judge thanks everyone, the impaneled jury gets told when to report
> the next day, and the trial begins.
>
> The Court takes potential jurors showing up seriously. You are given a
> ID badge with bar codes you must wear and it gets scanned
> electronically. If you don't show or skip at the lunch break and don't
> come back the clerk tells you doing that you are in deep trouble.
>
> In my group the Bailiff counted noses downstairs and came up first
> with 29. He recounted and got 30 or the number of potential jurors he
> was suppose to deliver to the court room. Once upstairs, he lined us
> up, counted again, again getting only 29. The first thing the Bailiff
> did after the rest of us were seated was inform the judge who skipped.
> I wouldn't want to be that guy.
>
> They will make a quick search for you in the court house, if not
> found, will call your home once, you employer once. Not located, the
> judge may issue a bench warrant. Those that "forget" to show up or
> sneak out at lunch time face a stiff fine or up to five days vacation
> in the county jail.
>
> All and all a interested experience of our judicial system.

I guess then witnesses have it better. Just got a warrant some 20 years ago
to show up. Walked in, reported. Sat around for 2 hours and got called in.
Was on the stand for 5-10 minutes and done. But it was only a traffic case.
Saw a person do a red light and t-bone someone. Learned later about 5
people saw it like I did, so the guy was cooked.
 
R

Rich

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