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[Death]

Alias wrote:



> DanS wrote:

>>> Wall Street=investors free to make and "lose" money

>>> (course, being socialist now...the taxpayers got screwed

>>> anyway with bailouts).

>>>

>>> Socialism=A lazy, non-productive society

>>

>> Explain how the taxpayers got screwed when these are in the

>> process of/have been paid back ? That would equate it to more of

>> a loan, would it not ?

>

> With interest.

>



To the payers of the bailout?

Or to free-loaders?



>>

>> You should also research 'socialism' and not rely on what others

>> tell you what they think it is, even though you claim....'I have

>> no heroes ... my opinions are my own.'

>

> Liberal: open to change

> Conservative: opposed to change

> Dylan: "The times, they are a-changing!"

>



Liberal=whiney beggar.

Conservative=self sufficient rain maker.

Dylan=drug addicts call a cat wailing singing.



--

Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,

Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

 

[Death]

Alias wrote:



> Death wrote:

>

>>

>> I have health care, you loon.

>

> Really? How much is the deductible?

> How much do YOU have to pay of the

> bill? 20%? Could you afford to have a triple by pass? Would your

> insurance cover all the costs? And, dumb fuck, what the hell would you

> do if you were diagnosed with heart disease and your beloved insurance

> company dropped you like a hot potato?

>



I have a small $250/yr deductable.

I pay a $10 fee for the first visit, then nothing else ...iincluding

referrals.

I have a multi-million dollar lifetime benefit...and anything

non-cosmetic is covered...I can't get free breast implants.



If they dropped me, I guess I'd sell some property,cash in some

investments, and pay cash...or I'd let the inevitable happen and die.



> Health care in the hands of a for profit company is just stupid. Course,

> you don't see any congresspersons buying insurance. They have complete

> sole payer coverage. So do I.

>



You do realise the health care companies virtually wrote the bill,

right?

They made few consessions, In return for 95% forced participation.



You and Dan are actual adults?

Because if you are minor aged children, you should probably tell me.

Argueing with retards is one thing, smacking children around isn't fun,

even to me.



--

Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,

Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

 

[Death]

DanS wrote:



> Alias wrote in

> news:hr1j27$r2m$3@news.eternal-september.org:

>

>> DanS wrote:

>>>> Wall Street=investors free to make and "lose" money

>>>> (course, being socialist now...the taxpayers got screwed

>>>> anyway with bailouts).

>>>>

>>>> Socialism=A lazy, non-productive society

>>>

>>> Explain how the taxpayers got screwed when these are in

>>> the process of/have been paid back ? That would equate it

>>> to more of a loan, would it not ?

>>

>> With interest.

>

> Oh no, with interest ?!?!? What are we going to do ?!?!?!

>

> The sky is falling....the sky is falling!!!!!!!



Moron.



--

Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,

Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

 

[Alias]

Death wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Death wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> I have health care, you loon.

>>

>> Really? How much is the deductible?

>> How much do YOU have to pay of the

>> bill? 20%? Could you afford to have a triple by pass? Would your

>> insurance cover all the costs? And, dumb fuck, what the hell would you

>> do if you were diagnosed with heart disease and your beloved insurance

>> company dropped you like a hot potato?

>>

>

> I have a small $250/yr deductable.



I don't pay deductibles.



> I pay a $10 fee for the first visit, then nothing else ...iincluding

> referrals.



I pay nothing for visits.



> I have a multi-million dollar lifetime benefit...and anything

> non-cosmetic is covered...I can't get free breast implants.



I'm not interested in your breasts.



>

> If they dropped me, I guess I'd sell some property,cash in some

> investments, and pay cash...or I'd let the inevitable happen and die.



You'd die.



>

>> Health care in the hands of a for profit company is just stupid. Course,

>> you don't see any congresspersons buying insurance. They have complete

>> sole payer coverage. So do I.

>>

>

> You do realise the health care companies virtually wrote the bill,

> right?

> They made few consessions, In return for 95% forced participation.



Did I say I support "the bill"? I support single payer public health

insurance like they have in Spain.



Now comes the inevitable lies and insults:



>

> You and Dan are actual adults?

> Because if you are minor aged children, you should probably tell me.

> Argueing with retards is one thing, smacking children around isn't fun,

> even to me.

>



You mean "for me".



--

Alias

 

[Alias]

Death wrote:



>

> Liberal=whiney beggar.

> Conservative=self sufficient rain maker.

> Dylan=drug addicts call a cat wailing singing.

>



There's no hope for you. None.



--

Alias

 

[DanS]

OT:

Alias wrote in

news:hr1jud$c4b$1@news.eternal-september.org:



> Death wrote:

>

>>

>> I have health care, you loon.

>

> Really? How much is the deductible? How much do YOU have to

> pay of the bill? 20%? Could you afford to have a triple by

> pass? Would your insurance cover all the costs? And, dumb

> fuck, what the hell would you do if you were diagnosed with

> heart disease and your beloved insurance company dropped

> you like a hot potato?

>

> Health care in the hands of a for profit company is just

> stupid. Course, you don't see any congresspersons buying

> insurance. They have complete sole payer coverage. So do I.



The company I worked for just switched plans. Its a 'co-

insurance' plan.



While I save a whopping $5 per two-week paycheck on premiums,

there a $500 deductible on the family plan I buy for myself

and my son.



......Of course, he's young and doesn't go to the doctors. So

the $500 deductible is basically for me only....



......Yes, there's still a $20 co-pay....for each department I

visit.....so when I hurt my ankle, there's co-pay to see the

doctor, an x-ray......go down that hall and pay another $20

co-pay.....which is how it's been.....



......So now, I've gone for one annual general physical prior

to starting an excercise program......exam, lab work, EEG

since it's for an excercise program......$20 co-pay.....



.....but the uncovered exam bill comes in 4 weeks.....seems

like I now need to pay $45 the insuracne wouldn't pay for the

EEG.......a couple weeks later, another $50 bill for uncovered

lab work.



So after the $500 deductible, my portion is only 20%

.......oh.....what do you know....the other bills were for

about %20 of what the insurance didn't cover.....go figure.



I'm really glad I saved that $5 per paycheck.





I'm also really not to sure about a single-payer system

either. I live in a border town with Canada, and in Ontario,

they have a government sponsored system, called OHIP. I

rememeber the upheaval that happened when it went into effect.

This program was paid for by an additional sales tax that was

added. There was also a 7% tax, and the OHIP tax was *another*

7% on top of the origirnal 7% for a total of 14% sales tax.



Their program doesn't pay for every imaginable service, but

they will save your life if need be. There is a big market for

supplemental insurance also. While I'm sure the care is at

least adequate, the timelyness of it may not be, depending on

the problem. For example, if you injure your knee, yes, the

program will pay for it, but when? You could wait months just

to go for an MRI if you don't have supp. insurance.



There's a huge MRI market here in WNY that services Canadians

coming across the border that come here *just* for the MRI. As

I know people in the field, they'd say at least 1/2 of the

business is Canadian that don't want to wait.



Add to that the Canadian dollar being on-par with the US

dollar right now, and even more come across.



So there's a problem in that system obviously, but how else

can it be done.....people with money can afford better care

even within a single-payer system. I'm sure it's not that way

intentionally. I'm sure the program doesn't schedule you in

depending on who you are...it is what it is. It's just a big

insurance plan.



I'm certainly no expert in the health care industry, as I'm

sure no one is that posts here, but we've all got our ideas of

what might work......



.......for instance, as reported, in 2009, the US governement

spent $7000 per person on health care. That's $7000 per

*every* person in the US. If that's indeed the case, why not

just give each person *up to* $7000 to buy their own private

health insurance. Maybe there's some incentive built in

somehow to encourage you to buy a less expensive plan. You

fill out a form and provide your proof of eligibility, check a

box for the plan you want, and then get a card in the mail a

couple weeks later.....



......what could be more simple ? Add a lot of reform laws and

conditions to it, like limiting malpractice suits for one,

they will spend no more money than now, eveyone will be

covered, and we all know the private sector can provide a much

more effective (anything) than the government....provided the

laws enacted are effective in protecting the patients rights.



.......but that would be 'socialist' right ? But seriously,

what person wouldn't want that ? (If it was feasible.) No

business would need to pay health care costs, no employee

would need to contribute either, it's a win-win....both

business's and individuals will have more disposable income,

possibly stimulate the economy.



That sounds simple enough, and will something not work just

because it is too simple ? I think not. The wheel is a pretty

simple concept, and believe it or not, is still in use today!!

It can't be out of line to just examine the option......as

part of due diligence.

 

[Death]

"Alias" wrote in message

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> Death wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Death wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> I have health care, you loon.

>>>

>>> Really? How much is the deductible?

>>> How much do YOU have to pay of the

>>> bill? 20%? Could you afford to have a triple by pass? Would your

>>> insurance cover all the costs? And, dumb fuck, what the hell would you

>>> do if you were diagnosed with heart disease and your beloved insurance

>>> company dropped you like a hot potato?

>>>

>>

>> I have a small $250/yr deductable.

>

> I don't pay deductibles.

>



So what?

It's part of your taxes, moron.

Seeing as you make $14,000/week ... you probably get wacked pretty good.

But, as you see it as "free heath care"...you pay little tax, have little or

no income, and probably are a complete burden on your adopted society.



>> I pay a $10 fee for the first visit, then nothing else ...iincluding

>> referrals.

>

> I pay nothing for visits.

>



Good for you, idiot.

I'm proud of you for getting on the Spanish welfare dole.





>> I have a multi-million dollar lifetime benefit...and anything

>> non-cosmetic is covered...I can't get free breast implants.

>

> I'm not interested in your breasts.

>

>>

>> If they dropped me, I guess I'd sell some property,cash in some

>> investments, and pay cash...or I'd let the inevitable happen and die.

>

> You'd die.

>



You'd be surprised how much cash I can raise.

But, for if the odds are low, probably a quick trip to Europe for some of

that cheap assisted suicide.



By the way, I'm not unfamiliar with socialist health care...I have neighbors

from England.

They detested the health care system there, love our current system.



My current Doctor doesn't even take Medicare ...only private insurance.

I don't have to wait, and if I do sit for 5 minutes, it's without seeing the

scurrying masses.

The Doc has no plans of accepting Obama care patients.



>>

>>> Health care in the hands of a for profit company is just stupid. Course,

>>> you don't see any congresspersons buying insurance. They have complete

>>> sole payer coverage. So do I.

>>>

>>

>> You do realise the health care companies virtually wrote the bill,

>> right?

>> They made few consessions, In return for 95% forced participation.

>

> Did I say I support "the bill"? I support single payer public health

> insurance like they have in Spain.

>



I'm sure homeless people find the care A+++.

Make sure to tell your Doc which kidney is the bad one.





> Now comes the inevitable lies and insults:

>

>>

>> You and Dan are actual adults?

>> Because if you are minor aged children, you should probably tell me.

>> Argueing with retards is one thing, smacking children around isn't fun,

>> even to me.

>>

>

> You mean "for me".

>



I meant "to me".