Re: Numbers don't lie: Vista adoption same as XPs

[Frank]

the wharf rat wrote:

> In article <48266314$0$7711$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Frank <fb@sto.cln> wrote:
>
>>Best Buy has/had Vista Premium at that price.
>
>
> Bullshit, Frank. They want 129 for it.

Sorry mr rat, but the ad in their Sunday flier said $90USD for Vista
Premium.
>
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8758141&type=product&id=1202650191714
>
> I saw home basic upgrades for 99 bucks at CompUSA's goodbye sale.
>
>
>>I've seen Ultimate for $169/189.
>
>
> I've never even seen the upgrade for less than 200.

Try NewEgg.
>
>
>>I think it is and so do millions of others.
>
>
> It's not even the best gaming platform. Xp is.

I don't do games.
>
>
>>But no one is twisting anyone's arm to use it, right?
>
>
> Well, nobody but Microsoft.

They twisted your arm?
Frank
>

 

[Rick]

On Sat, 10 May 2008 20:08:19 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 16:01:45 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Canuck57 wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:gbraqyu1ok95$.1bs4y37k5ufhp$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Poor Linux..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yep, they don't empty your pocket.
>>>
>>>If you can't afford $90USD for Vista, the best OS available today, then
>>>you're the definition of a real loser!
>>
>>
>> Maybe you can tell me awhere I can buy Vista... real Vista, not "leave
>> everything out" for $90.
>
> Best Buy has/had Vista Premium at that price. I've seen Ultimate for
> $169/189.

When was this, and did they XP Pro for $89?

>>
>> And Vista is surely NOT the best available today.
>
> I think it is and so do millions of others.

.... OS X, for starters...

> But no one is twisting anyone's arm to use it, right? Frank

That all depends on what you mean by twisting your arm. There are plenty
of government sites around the world that require IE. The are several
government agencies in the US that require documents in proprietary MS
file formats. There are many schools that require documents in
proprietary MS file formats.The BBC seems to be partial to Windows when
providing content.


--
Rick

 

[Rick]

Re: Numbers don't lie: Vista adoption same as XPs

On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:10:28 -0700, raylopez99 wrote:

> On May 11, 12:19 am, w...@panix.com (the wharf rat) wrote:
>>
>>         I can't afford 90 bucks for vista because that's REALLY 90
>>         bucks
>> for mostly-useless home basic, AND because that's really 90 bucks PLUS
>> 105 for a copy of XP Home to upgrade from.  Or 169 for a "full" copy of
>> mostly useless Home Basic.
>
> I got a full, working version of Vista Ultimate for $3 in SE Asia. It

Fine. Why don't you fly over there and get me one.

> may be pirate, and I probably will not install the upcoming Service
> Pack, though it's tempting to see if it installs properly.

So, you are saying you openly pirated Vista. If I wee to obtain Vista, I
wouldn't want a pirated copy.

>
>
>>         My hobby is restoring old computer equipment.  I can put
>>         together
>> a reasonably useful system in the 2000+ class for less than a hundred
>> bucks.  I usually buy a pallet of parts, combine the useable ones, and
>> donate the resulting systems to the scouts or something, although I'll
>> occasionally sell a particularly nice batch to get money for the next
>> pallet. Thing is, I'd LOVE to put Windows on these things, but I can't.
>
> I built an old Pentium II running Windows 2000 on 256k RAM and it works
> fine--a bit slow perhaps--but fine for a dialup modem.
>
Goody for you.




--
Rick

 

[Rick]

On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:46:00 +0000, Little Billy wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@sto.cln> wrote in message
> news:4826294a$0$7701$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Canuck57 wrote:
>>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gbraqyu1ok95$.1bs4y37k5ufhp$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Poor Linux..
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, they don't empty your pocket.
>>
>> If you can't afford $90USD for Vista, the best OS available today, then
>> you're the definition of a real loser!
>
> XP is the best OS at the moment. Perhaps Vista will be in a year or 2.

The best --commercial/proprietary-- OS for general users is OS X.


--
Rick

 

[Adam Albright]

On Sun, 11 May 2008 09:44:53 -0700, Frank <fb@sto.cln> blubbered:

>>It's not even the best gaming platform. Xp is.
>
>I don't do games.

You don't do anything but lie, scream, yell and rant.

 

[Canuck57]

"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1luc5ym4o16j0$.4p9xykhsw05a.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:48:42 GMT, Canuck57 wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:xwr5u2vq2v9f.kal40qxeqdo1$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:18:43 GMT, Canuck57 wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Ezekiel" <a@b.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:58159$4826286d$28091@news.teranews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich" <r.green@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OTDD8AvsIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Keep up the FUD, sooner or later you will be talking to yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hearing voices?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich, who says, when pretend time is over you are left with the way
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> )
>>>>>
>>>>> According to the "know it all" advocates here Vista is going to be a
>>>>> flop
>>>>> and will put Microsoft out of business.
>>>>>
>>>>> The same way they predicted that XP would be a flop and put MS out of
>>>>> business.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the same way they predicted that Win2k would be a flop and put MS
>>>>> out
>>>>> of business.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't say Vista is going to put Microsoft out of business. But is
>>>> going
>>>> to
>>>> seriously damage their brand image.
>>>
>>> It already has IMHO.
>>> Those people are going to the Mac and NOT to Linux.
>>
>> My next one is going to be a Mac for sure.
>>
>>>> No amount of marketing FUD from the likes of Moshe is going to change
>>>> the
>>>> fact that Vista has serious issues that after 16 months from release
>>>> don't
>>>> appear to be addressed.
>>>
>>> If you read my posts you will see that I do not like Vista, do not use
>>> Vista and acknowledge that Vista needs some serious work especially as
>>> far
>>> as multimedia is concerned.
>>>
>>> So please don't accuse me of being a Vista fan boi.
>>> I'm not.
>>
>> But this is fud:
>>
>>>Even after 10+ years of being free, it is still hovering on life support
>>>at
>>>0.6 percent of the desktop market share.
>
> No it's not.
>
> Even the BBC pegged Linux at 0.8 percent of the desktop market and I
> suspect that number is high because of all the Linux loons hitting the
> site
> complaining about support for the new streaming player the BBC is using.
>
> This was about 2 months ago.

So if I have this right, this is all based on BBC? No wonder if their
support for less proprietary formats and they mine that from visiting
browsers. Obviously flawed.

I would like to see Googles numbers.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

Re: Troll Alert - Moshe Goldfarb

"High Plains Thumper" <highplainsthumper@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:g0711g$ko1$1@news.albasani.net...

<snipped>

I don't know. It's seems like you might want to pull your nose and your lips
off his behind cheeks. You should be ashamed of yourself to stoop this low.

 

[Moshe Goldfarb]

On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:18:43 GMT, Canuck57 wrote:

> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1luc5ym4o16j0$.4p9xykhsw05a.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:48:42 GMT, Canuck57 wrote:
>>
>>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:xwr5u2vq2v9f.kal40qxeqdo1$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:18:43 GMT, Canuck57 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Ezekiel" <a@b.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:58159$4826286d$28091@news.teranews.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rich" <r.green@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:OTDD8AvsIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Keep up the FUD, sooner or later you will be talking to yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hearing voices?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rich, who says, when pretend time is over you are left with the way
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to the "know it all" advocates here Vista is going to be a
>>>>>> flop
>>>>>> and will put Microsoft out of business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The same way they predicted that XP would be a flop and put MS out of
>>>>>> business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the same way they predicted that Win2k would be a flop and put MS
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of business.
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't say Vista is going to put Microsoft out of business. But is
>>>>> going
>>>>> to
>>>>> seriously damage their brand image.
>>>>
>>>> It already has IMHO.
>>>> Those people are going to the Mac and NOT to Linux.
>>>
>>> My next one is going to be a Mac for sure.
>>>
>>>>> No amount of marketing FUD from the likes of Moshe is going to change
>>>>> the
>>>>> fact that Vista has serious issues that after 16 months from release
>>>>> don't
>>>>> appear to be addressed.
>>>>
>>>> If you read my posts you will see that I do not like Vista, do not use
>>>> Vista and acknowledge that Vista needs some serious work especially as
>>>> far
>>>> as multimedia is concerned.
>>>>
>>>> So please don't accuse me of being a Vista fan boi.
>>>> I'm not.
>>>
>>> But this is fud:
>>>
>>>>Even after 10+ years of being free, it is still hovering on life support
>>>>at
>>>>0.6 percent of the desktop market share.
>>
>> No it's not.
>>
>> Even the BBC pegged Linux at 0.8 percent of the desktop market and I
>> suspect that number is high because of all the Linux loons hitting the
>> site
>> complaining about support for the new streaming player the BBC is using.
>>
>> This was about 2 months ago.
>
> So if I have this right, this is all based on BBC? No wonder if their
> support for less proprietary formats and they mine that from visiting
> browsers. Obviously flawed.
>
> I would like to see Googles numbers.

Google doesn't collect numbers anymore because evidently it was far too
embarrassing for Linux.

It's not just the BBC, just about any site or stat you can find shows Linux
at much less than 1 percent.
The w3schools site is another one.

These things are posted in COLA all the time and they all pretty much
agree.
The BBC FWIW is about 0.2 percent on the high side.

Some stats even have the iPhone approaching Linux which is really a kick
in the face for Linux.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

[HeyBub]

Canuck57 wrote:
>
> It is, that is why Microsoft is now going to offer XP on EeePC at
> preditory pricing. They wouldn't revive an old OS like XP and price
> it for $16/$32 a copy if Linux wasn't eating their lunch would they?

Same reason Apple gave away so many computers to schools. For every one
computer they put in a classroom, 25 sets of parents bought one for home.

Alternative metaphor: Same reason a dealer gives you your first few shots of
Heroin.

>
> The fact is, Microsoft is losing market share. It starts slowly. They
> know or they would not be.
>

70% of a billion is still more than 90% of 600,000.

 

[Snit]

"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> stated in post
OoTKY38sIHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl on 5/11/08 6:16 PM:

> Canuck57 wrote:
>>
>> It is, that is why Microsoft is now going to offer XP on EeePC at
>> preditory pricing. They wouldn't revive an old OS like XP and price
>> it for $16/$32 a copy if Linux wasn't eating their lunch would they?
>
> Same reason Apple gave away so many computers to schools. For every one
> computer they put in a classroom, 25 sets of parents bought one for home.
>
> Alternative metaphor: Same reason a dealer gives you your first few shots of
> Heroin.
>
>>
>> The fact is, Microsoft is losing market share. It starts slowly. They
>> know or they would not be.
>>
>
> 70% of a billion is still more than 90% of 600,000.
>
>

People are putting MS down for selling an *old* version of Windows for 16 or
32 buck a shot while many *new* versions of Linux are given away for free.

Um, what?

--
God made me an atheist - who are you to question his authority?

 

[raylopez99]

Re: Numbers don't lie: Vista adoption same as XPs

On May 11, 5:44 am, "Little Billy" <bi...@club.biz> wrote:
>
> XP was a big improvement over Win 98. Vista is not over XP. Businesses used
> XP after SP2 came out not when it was in its infancy.
> Use Vista when it is perfected, if ever.
>


I think Vista is an improvement over XP it's more multimedia friendly
and slightly more stable.

You just need better h/w to run Vista even MSFT acknowledges this.
BTW MSFT's "World Telescope" free web program needs at least a Core2
duo machine--proof that sophisticated machines need sophisticated
OSes.

Unless you prefer Linux (old OS for an old machine).

RL

 

[Alias]

Re: Numbers don't lie: Vista adoption same as XPs

raylopez99 wrote:
> On May 11, 5:44 am, "Little Billy" <bi...@club.biz> wrote:
>> XP was a big improvement over Win 98. Vista is not over XP. Businesses used
>> XP after SP2 came out not when it was in its infancy.
>> Use Vista when it is perfected, if ever.
>>
>
>
> I think Vista is an improvement over XP it's more multimedia friendly
> and slightly more stable.
>
> You just need better h/w to run Vista even MSFT acknowledges this.
> BTW MSFT's "World Telescope" free web program needs at least a Core2
> duo machine--proof that sophisticated machines need sophisticated
> OSes.
>
> Unless you prefer Linux (old OS for an old machine).
>
> RL

Ubuntu's newest version came out last month. New enough for you? It can
be run on any high end machine you can name. So much for your FUD. Next
you will be saying it's only for geeks, which is more FUD.

Alias