Deleting Files causes Freezup

[letterman@invalid.com]

A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop
(W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the
network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was
easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the
network connections.

Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
abandoned that project weeks ago.

The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I
have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or
move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my
camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze
for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However
during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few
other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same
time, some other programs would crash.

As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from
Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built
in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and
removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever
since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors,
and ran several system checkers.

Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago,
which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and
had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old
installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation
from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to
repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did
reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of
it control Windows Explorer.

Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the
heck happened to cause the problems.

Anyone have any ideas?

(I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont
interfere with the working windows.

---

One other thing.......
The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using
IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is
loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files
folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's
obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5.
How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but
it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that
must be in the registry.

 

[glee]

Explorer freezing when deleting a large number of files is a bug that has been
discussed in this group more times than I care to think about. I am on my way out
the door, so I can't take the time to re-hash it all (I'm sure PCR or someone will
be happy to). Do a Google Groups search of this group for the issue and you will
find much.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:js02c41l177s64r3hofrtahg45v5ufqif8@4ax.com...
>A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop
> (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the
> network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was
> easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the
> network connections.
>
> Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
> abandoned that project weeks ago.
>
> The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I
> have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or
> move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my
> camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze
> for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However
> during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few
> other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same
> time, some other programs would crash.
>
> As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
> connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from
> Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built
> in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and
> removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever
> since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors,
> and ran several system checkers.
>
> Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
> directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago,
> which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and
> had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old
> installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation
> from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to
> repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did
> reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of
> it control Windows Explorer.
>
> Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the
> heck happened to cause the problems.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont
> interfere with the working windows.
>
> ---
>
> One other thing.......
> The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using
> IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is
> loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files
> folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's
> obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5.
> How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but
> it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that
> must be in the registry.
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Semi-OT Note: When you go to rebuild the Network, clear out ALL of the items
in the Network applet. Don't leave ANYTHING.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:js02c41l177s64r3hofrtahg45v5ufqif8@4ax.com...
>A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop
> (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the
> network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was
> easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the
> network connections.
>
> Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
> abandoned that project weeks ago.
>
> The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I
> have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or
> move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my
> camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze
> for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However
> during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few
> other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same
> time, some other programs would crash.
>
> As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
> connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from
> Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built
> in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and
> removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever
> since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors,
> and ran several system checkers.
>
> Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
> directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago,
> which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and
> had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old
> installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation
> from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to
> repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did
> reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of
> it control Windows Explorer.
>
> Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the
> heck happened to cause the problems.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont
> interfere with the working windows.
>
> ---
>
> One other thing.......
> The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using
> IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is
> loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files
> folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's
> obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5.
> How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but
> it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that
> must be in the registry.
>

 

[Dan]

A clean install is the way to go and save any files you need and make sure
they are clean by checking them for viruses, spyware, malware and baddies and
then clean like you have never cleaned before. Please do not be ashamed to
ask for help if you need it from a computer buddy or a specialty shop in your
neighborhood that has a good reputation for fixing computers and do not bring
it to a large store like Best Buy or Circuit City where they rush the repairs
in order to generate as much business and profits as possible at least that
is my opinion.

"letterman@invalid.com" wrote:

> A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop
> (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the
> network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was
> easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the
> network connections.
>
> Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
> abandoned that project weeks ago.
>
> The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I
> have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or
> move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my
> camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze
> for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However
> during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few
> other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same
> time, some other programs would crash.
>
> As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
> connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from
> Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built
> in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and
> removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever
> since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors,
> and ran several system checkers.
>
> Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
> directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago,
> which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and
> had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old
> installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation
> from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to
> repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did
> reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of
> it control Windows Explorer.
>
> Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the
> heck happened to cause the problems.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont
> interfere with the working windows.
>
> ---
>
> One other thing.......
> The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using
> IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is
> loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files
> folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's
> obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5.
> How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but
> it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that
> must be in the registry.
>
>

 

[MEB]

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:OtEbeh0DJHA.2476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| Explorer freezing when deleting a large number of files is a bug that has
been
| discussed in this group more times than I care to think about. I am on my
way out
| the door, so I can't take the time to re-hash it all (I'm sure PCR or
someone will
| be happy to). Do a Google Groups search of this group for the issue and
you will
| find much.
| --
| Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
| http://dts-l.net/
| http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
|

As you and Glen noted, the issue MAY lay within IE6 files and the
shell/browser, and incompatibilities with the XP files that were installed
during IE 6 installation. IE 6 was NOT properly ported for use in the 9X
environment.
As you indicated IE 5 did not cause issues, its browser DLLs were designed
for the 9X and early NT environments. Changing the DLLs would potentially
correct the issue IF related to those DLLs. There are batch files which
provide that service, changing them from IE 5 to 6 DLLs by replacement and
back again. NOTE: the IE 5 DLLs do have vulnerabilities, which was part of
the reason they were changed.

Another potential is that residual network aspects may still be involved,
such as a former networked drive, mapped drives, or other.
RE-CHECK to ensure that all prior networking has been removed. Changing
adapters can or does leave residuals to now non-existant network IP/MAC
entries. Unless you followed proper removal techniques, these may still
exist in the registry.

Additionally, there are issues with mapped drives, and other system and
network functions of which updates were provided by Microsoft. Make sure
that either they are installed, or that they are un-needed.

--
MEB
a Peoples' counsel
--
_________


|
| <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
| news:js02c41l177s64r3hofrtahg45v5ufqif8@4ax.com...
| >A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop
| > (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the
| > network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was
| > easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the
| > network connections.
| >
| > Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
| > abandoned that project weeks ago.
| >
| > The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I
| > have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or
| > move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my
| > camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze
| > for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However
| > during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few
| > other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same
| > time, some other programs would crash.
| >
| > As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
| > connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from
| > Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built
| > in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and
| > removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever
| > since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors,
| > and ran several system checkers.
| >
| > Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
| > directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago,
| > which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and
| > had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old
| > installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation
| > from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to
| > repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did
| > reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of
| > it control Windows Explorer.
| >
| > Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the
| > heck happened to cause the problems.
| >
| > Anyone have any ideas?
| >
| > (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont
| > interfere with the working windows.
| >
| > ---
| >
| > One other thing.......
| > The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using
| > IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is
| > loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files
| > folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's
| > obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5.
| > How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but
| > it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that
| > must be in the registry.
| >
|

 

[MEB]

Oh, a couple more things:

The type of installation you ended up using during this period can cause
issues in itself.
By using two separate installations you may have caused multiple
conflicting entries in the registries. Microsoft DOES/DID have a KB which
describes how this type of installation MUST be done, and what the effects
can be.

IF, as your posting seems to indicate, you then installed an old image
containing IE5 entries, that entry will be the reported version.
The information is stored in several entries in the registry, such as:
Microsoft/Active Setup/InstallInfo
Microsoft/Internet Explorer
Microsoft/IE Setup/Setup
among others.

NOTE also, that any updates previously done may no longer be properly
registered and/or installed. The procedure you used can or does cause
problems when attempted unless the proper techniques are used.

--
MEB
a Peoples' counsel

--
_________

 

[PCR]

letterman@invalid.com wrote:
| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop
| (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the
| network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was
| easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the
| network connections.
|
| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
| abandoned that project weeks ago.
|
| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I
| have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or
| move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my
| camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze
| for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However
| during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few
| other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same
| time, some other programs would crash.
|
| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
| connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from
| Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built
| in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and
| removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever
| since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors,
| and ran several system checkers.
|
| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
| directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago,
| which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and
| had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old
| installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation
| from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to
| repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did
| reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of
| it control Windows Explorer.
|
| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the
| heck happened to cause the problems.
|
| Anyone have any ideas?
|
| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont
| interfere with the working windows.
|
| ---
|
| One other thing.......
| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using
| IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is
| loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files
| folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's
| obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5.
| How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but
| it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that
| must be in the registry.

Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to solve
the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6 .dll's into
the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be best to reverse
what you have done, & do the following...

IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or
folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have discovered
for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll &
BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6
(IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\".
Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\".
Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else
(if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's.

(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway!
(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to...
"C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer".
(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to...
"C:\Windows\System".
(a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder named...
"My System".
(b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System".
(c) "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode"
(d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System
COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System
(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows
(4) Reboot.

Try a massive copy or delete.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[letterman@invalid.com]

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop
>| (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the
>| network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was
>| easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the
>| network connections.
>|
>| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
>| abandoned that project weeks ago.
>|
>| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I
>| have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or
>| move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my
>| camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze
>| for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However
>| during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few
>| other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same
>| time, some other programs would crash.
>|
>| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
>| connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from
>| Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built
>| in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and
>| removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever
>| since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors,
>| and ran several system checkers.
>|
>| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
>| directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago,
>| which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and
>| had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old
>| installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation
>| from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to
>| repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did
>| reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of
>| it control Windows Explorer.
>|
>| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the
>| heck happened to cause the problems.
>|
>| Anyone have any ideas?
>|
>| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont
>| interfere with the working windows.
>|
>| ---
>|
>| One other thing.......
>| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using
>| IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is
>| loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files
>| folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's
>| obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5.
>| How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but
>| it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that
>| must be in the registry.
>
>Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to solve
>the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6 .dll's into
>the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be best to reverse
>what you have done, & do the following...
>
>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or
>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have discovered
>for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll &
>BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6
>(IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\".
>Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\".
>Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else
>(if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's.
>
>(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway!
>(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to...
> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer".
>(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to...
> "C:\Windows\System".
> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder named...
> "My System".
> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System".
> (c) "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode"
> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System
> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System
>(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows
>(4) Reboot.
>
>Try a massive copy or delete.


Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give
this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the problems.
However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5. Since the
registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I just deleted
the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is the second time I
installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my system, so this was a good
opportunity to get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am
not too worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE
is when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather
report because IE loads faster.

The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better
understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98.

When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows
directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. Checking
the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5.

Thanks to all.

 

[PCR]

letterman@invalid.com wrote:
| On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
|
|>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
|>| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop
|>| (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the
|>| network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was
|>| easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the
|>| network connections.
|>|
|>| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
|>| abandoned that project weeks ago.
|>|
|>| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I
|>| have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete
|>| or move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from
|>| my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just
|>| freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again.
|>| However during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I
|>| could get a few other loaded programs to work, such as a web
|>| browser. At the same time, some other programs would crash.
|>|
|>| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
|>| connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries
|>| from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled
|>| the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and
|>| router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have
|>| continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all the
|>| hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers.
|>|
|>| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
|>| directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago,
|>| which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs,
|>| and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old
|>| installation, but the backup works like it should. That
|>| installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not
|>| worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting
|>| with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy,
|>| because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer.
|>|
|>| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what
|>| the heck happened to cause the problems.
|>|
|>| Anyone have any ideas?
|>|
|>| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it
|>| dont interfere with the working windows.
|>|
|>| ---
|>|
|>| One other thing.......
|>| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been
|>| using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub
|>| folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the
|>| program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it
|>| works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says
|>| I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned to run
|>| the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have
|>| IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry.
|>
|>Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to
|>solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6
|>.dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be
|>best to reverse what you have done, & do the following...
|>
|>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or
|>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have
|>discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll
|>& BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains
|>IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet
|>Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
|>"C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's--
|>but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's.
|>
|>(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway!
|>(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to...
|> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer".
|>(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to...
|> "C:\Windows\System".
|> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder
|> named... "My System".
|> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System".
|> (c) "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode"
|> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System
|> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System
|>(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows
|>(4) Reboot.
|>
|>Try a massive copy or delete.
|
|
| Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give
| this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the problems.
| However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5. Since the
| registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I just deleted
| the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is the second time I
| installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my system, so this was a good
| opportunity to get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am
| not too worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE
| is when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather
| report because IE loads faster.
|
| The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better
| understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98.
|
| When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows
| directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. Checking
| the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5.

I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder &
sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is
created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows folder
& there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party products
also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the Windows
folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least both the
Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install to but they
will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are as/of the same
date.

After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. I
personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. That is
because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good luck.

| Thanks to all.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[letterman@invalid.com]

On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>| On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
>|
>|>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>|>| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop
>|>| (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the
>|>| network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was
>|>| easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the
>|>| network connections.
>|>|
>|>| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
>|>| abandoned that project weeks ago.
>|>|
>|>| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I
>|>| have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete
>|>| or move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from
>|>| my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just
>|>| freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again.
>|>| However during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I
>|>| could get a few other loaded programs to work, such as a web
>|>| browser. At the same time, some other programs would crash.
>|>|
>|>| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
>|>| connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries
>|>| from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled
>|>| the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and
>|>| router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have
>|>| continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all the
>|>| hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers.
>|>|
>|>| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
>|>| directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago,
>|>| which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs,
>|>| and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old
>|>| installation, but the backup works like it should. That
>|>| installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not
>|>| worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting
>|>| with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy,
>|>| because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer.
>|>|
>|>| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what
>|>| the heck happened to cause the problems.
>|>|
>|>| Anyone have any ideas?
>|>|
>|>| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it
>|>| dont interfere with the working windows.
>|>|
>|>| ---
>|>|
>|>| One other thing.......
>|>| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been
>|>| using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub
>|>| folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the
>|>| program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it
>|>| works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says
>|>| I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned to run
>|>| the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have
>|>| IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry.
>|>
>|>Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to
>|>solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6
>|>.dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be
>|>best to reverse what you have done, & do the following...
>|>
>|>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or
>|>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have
>|>discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll
>|>& BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains
>|>IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet
>|>Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
>|>"C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's--
>|>but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's.
>|>
>|>(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway!
>|>(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to...
>|> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer".
>|>(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to...
>|> "C:\Windows\System".
>|> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder
>|> named... "My System".
>|> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System".
>|> (c) "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode"
>|> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System
>|> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System
>|>(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows
>|>(4) Reboot.
>|>
>|>Try a massive copy or delete.
>|
>|
>| Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give
>| this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the problems.
>| However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5. Since the
>| registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I just deleted
>| the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is the second time I
>| installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my system, so this was a good
>| opportunity to get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am
>| not too worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE
>| is when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather
>| report because IE loads faster.
>|
>| The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better
>| understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98.
>|
>| When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows
>| directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. Checking
>| the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5.
>
>I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder &
>sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is
>created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows folder
>& there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party products
>also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the Windows
>folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least both the
>Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install to but they
>will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are as/of the same
>date.
>
I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to neglect
doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows folder, as well
as my email and my photos to another drive, but that is all I have
done since last December. Thus there is no recent backup of "Program
Files". On the other hand, since I dont do much with the computer in
summer, nothing much changed. By looking at the dates of folders in
Progrma Files, I found that I had only installed three programs since
the windows backup. One was a real simple reminder program that does
not even require an installation because the download only contains an
..EXE and a Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were
more advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those
folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup, then I
reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now, except I had
to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for some reason that
program told me I had old definition files when in fact I just updated
them a few days prior. My guess is that was a registry entry.
All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same since I
backed up windows.

The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and
fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a matter
of copying them to the restored backup after installation. I saved
the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find something else I
need).

I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were
quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files that I
randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself. They are
deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up which had
been deleted.

>After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. I
>personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. That is
>because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good luck.

I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question I
have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the BrowseUI.dll &
BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I looked on the web
earlier and found lots of discussions, but no one addressed what
versions are needed and which version is which.

BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB
BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB
I assume those are from IE 5.5.

--------------------------

In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have

BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB
BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB
I assume this is the IE6 version.

So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these IE5.5
ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right?

Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM
folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two
different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR?

 

[Bill in Co.]

letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>> letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>>>>> A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop
>>>>> (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the
>>>>> network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was
>>>>> easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the
>>>>> network connections.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
>>>>> abandoned that project weeks ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I
>>>>> have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete
>>>>> or move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from
>>>>> my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just
>>>>> freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again.
>>>>> However during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I
>>>>> could get a few other loaded programs to work, such as a web
>>>>> browser. At the same time, some other programs would crash.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
>>>>> connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries
>>>>> from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled
>>>>> the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and
>>>>> router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have
>>>>> continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all the
>>>>> hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
>>>>> directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago,
>>>>> which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs,
>>>>> and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old
>>>>> installation, but the backup works like it should. That
>>>>> installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not
>>>>> worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting
>>>>> with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy,
>>>>> because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what
>>>>> the heck happened to cause the problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it
>>>>> dont interfere with the working windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> One other thing.......
>>>>> The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been
>>>>> using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub
>>>>> folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the
>>>>> program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it
>>>>> works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says
>>>>> I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned to run
>>>>> the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have
>>>>> IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry.
>>>>
>>>> Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to
>>>> solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6
>>>> .dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be
>>>> best to reverse what you have done, & do the following...
>>>>
>>>> IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or
>>>> folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have
>>>> discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll
>>>> & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains
>>>> IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet
>>>> Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
>>>> "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's--
>>>> but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's.
>>>>
>>>> (1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway!
>>>> (2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to...
>>>> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer".
>>>> (3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to...
>>>> "C:\Windows\System".
>>>> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder
>>>> named... "My System".
>>>> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System".
>>>> (c) "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode"
>>>> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System
>>>> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System
>>>> (e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows
>>>> (4) Reboot.
>>>>
>>>> Try a massive copy or delete.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give
>>> this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the problems.
>>> However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5. Since the
>>> registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I just deleted
>>> the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is the second time I
>>> installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my system, so this was a good
>>> opportunity to get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am
>>> not too worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE
>>> is when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather
>>> report because IE loads faster.
>>>
>>> The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better
>>> understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98.
>>>
>>> When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows
>>> directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. Checking
>>> the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5.
>>
>> I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder &
>> sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is
>> created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows folder
>> & there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party products
>> also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the Windows
>> folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least both the
>> Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install to but they
>> will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are as/of the same
>> date.
>>
> I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to neglect
> doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows folder, as well
> as my email and my photos to another drive, but that is all I have
> done since last December. Thus there is no recent backup of "Program
> Files". On the other hand, since I dont do much with the computer in
> summer, nothing much changed. By looking at the dates of folders in
> Progrma Files, I found that I had only installed three programs since
> the windows backup. One was a real simple reminder program that does
> not even require an installation because the download only contains an
> .EXE and a Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were
> more advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those
> folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup, then I
> reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now, except I had
> to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for some reason that
> program told me I had old definition files when in fact I just updated
> them a few days prior. My guess is that was a registry entry.
> All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same since I
> backed up windows.
>
> The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and
> fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a matter
> of copying them to the restored backup after installation. I saved
> the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find something else I
> need).
>
> I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were
> quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files that I
> randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself. They are
> deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up which had
> been deleted.
>
>> After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. I
>> personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. That is
>> because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good luck.

I have. More on that below.

> I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question I
> have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the BrowseUI.dll &
> BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I looked on the web
> earlier and found lots of discussions, but no one addressed what
> versions are needed and which version is which.
>
> BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB
> BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB
> I assume those are from IE 5.5.
>
> --------------------------
>
> In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have
>
> BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB
> BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB
> I assume this is the IE6 version.

From memory, that all sounds about right.

> So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these IE5.5
> ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right?

Yes, that's correct (and is what I did, too). And it solved the file copy
problem.

> Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM
> folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two
> different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR?

 

[dadiOH]

letterman@invalid.com wrote:

> Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM
> folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two
> different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR?


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Windows/VCM&aq=f&oq=

--

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____________________________

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[Bill in Co.]

Correction:
I meant the "large number of files delete problem" below (and corrected
below).

Bill in Co. wrote:
> letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
>>
>>> letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>>>>>> A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop
>>>>>> (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the
>>>>>> network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was
>>>>>> easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the
>>>>>> network connections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
>>>>>> abandoned that project weeks ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I
>>>>>> have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete
>>>>>> or move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from
>>>>>> my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just
>>>>>> freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again.
>>>>>> However during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I
>>>>>> could get a few other loaded programs to work, such as a web
>>>>>> browser. At the same time, some other programs would crash.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
>>>>>> connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries
>>>>>> from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled
>>>>>> the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and
>>>>>> router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have
>>>>>> continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all the
>>>>>> hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
>>>>>> directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago,
>>>>>> which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs,
>>>>>> and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old
>>>>>> installation, but the backup works like it should. That
>>>>>> installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not
>>>>>> worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting
>>>>>> with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy,
>>>>>> because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what
>>>>>> the heck happened to cause the problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone have any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it
>>>>>> dont interfere with the working windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One other thing.......
>>>>>> The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been
>>>>>> using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub
>>>>>> folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the
>>>>>> program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it
>>>>>> works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says
>>>>>> I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned to run
>>>>>> the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have
>>>>>> IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to
>>>>> solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6
>>>>> .dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be
>>>>> best to reverse what you have done, & do the following...
>>>>>
>>>>> IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or
>>>>> folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have
>>>>> discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll
>>>>> & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains
>>>>> IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet
>>>>> Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
>>>>> "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's--
>>>>> but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's.
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway!
>>>>> (2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to...
>>>>> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer".
>>>>> (3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to...
>>>>> "C:\Windows\System".
>>>>> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder
>>>>> named... "My System".
>>>>> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System".
>>>>> (c) "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode"
>>>>> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System
>>>>> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System
>>>>> (e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows
>>>>> (4) Reboot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try a massive copy or delete.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give
>>>> this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the problems.
>>>> However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5. Since the
>>>> registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I just deleted
>>>> the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is the second time I
>>>> installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my system, so this was a good
>>>> opportunity to get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am
>>>> not too worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE
>>>> is when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather
>>>> report because IE loads faster.
>>>>
>>>> The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better
>>>> understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98.
>>>>
>>>> When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows
>>>> directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. Checking
>>>> the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder &
>>> sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is
>>> created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows folder
>>> & there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party products
>>> also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the Windows
>>> folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least both the
>>> Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install to but they
>>> will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are as/of the same
>>> date.
>>>
>> I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to neglect
>> doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows folder, as well
>> as my email and my photos to another drive, but that is all I have
>> done since last December. Thus there is no recent backup of "Program
>> Files". On the other hand, since I dont do much with the computer in
>> summer, nothing much changed. By looking at the dates of folders in
>> Progrma Files, I found that I had only installed three programs since
>> the windows backup. One was a real simple reminder program that does
>> not even require an installation because the download only contains an
>> .EXE and a Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were
>> more advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those
>> folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup, then I
>> reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now, except I had
>> to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for some reason that
>> program told me I had old definition files when in fact I just updated
>> them a few days prior. My guess is that was a registry entry.
>> All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same since I
>> backed up windows.
>>
>> The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and
>> fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a matter
>> of copying them to the restored backup after installation. I saved
>> the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find something else I
>> need).
>>
>> I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were
>> quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files that I
>> randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself. They are
>> deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up which had
>> been deleted.
>>
>>> After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. I
>>> personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. That is
>>> because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good luck.
>
> I have. More on that below.
>
>> I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question I
>> have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the BrowseUI.dll &
>> BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I looked on the web
>> earlier and found lots of discussions, but no one addressed what
>> versions are needed and which version is which.
>>
>> BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB
>> BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB
>> I assume those are from IE 5.5.
>>
>> --------------------------
>>
>> In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have
>>
>> BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB
>> BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB
>> I assume this is the IE6 version.
>
> From memory, that all sounds about right.
>
>> So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these IE5.5
>> ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right?
>
> Yes, that's correct (and is what I did, too). And it solved the file
> delete
> problem.

[corrected above]

>> Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM
>> folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two
>> different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR?

 

[PCR]

letterman@invalid.com wrote:
| On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
|
|>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
|>| On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
|>|
|>|>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
|>|>| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my
|>|>| desktop (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only
|>|>| wanted the network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I
|>|>| decided it was easier to copy files using flash memory sticks,
|>|>| than fight with the network connections.
|>|>|
|>|>| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
|>|>| abandoned that project weeks ago.
|>|>|
|>|>| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work,
|>|>| I have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I
|>|>| delete or move many files. For example, moving all the camera
|>|>| photos from my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the
|>|>| computer to just freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it
|>|>| worked fine again. However during the freeze, I could not do
|>|>| anything, or maybe I could get a few other loaded programs to
|>|>| work, such as a web browser. At the same time, some other
|>|>| programs would crash.
|>|>|
|>|>| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
|>|>| connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries
|>|>| from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled
|>|>| the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables
|>|>| and router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups
|>|>| have continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all
|>|>| the hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers.
|>|>|
|>|>| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
|>|>| directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months
|>|>| ago, which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few
|>|>| programs, and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of
|>|>| the old installation, but the backup works like it should. That
|>|>| installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not
|>|>| worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting
|>|>| with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy,
|>|>| because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer.
|>|>|
|>|>| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what
|>|>| the heck happened to cause the problems.
|>|>|
|>|>| Anyone have any ideas?
|>|>|
|>|>| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it
|>|>| dont interfere with the working windows.
|>|>|
|>|>| ---
|>|>|
|>|>| One other thing.......
|>|>| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been
|>|>| using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub
|>|>| folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore
|>|>| the program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE,
|>|>| it works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it
|>|>| says I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned
|>|>| to run the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have
|>|>| IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry.
|>|>
|>|>Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to
|>|>solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6
|>|>.dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be
|>|>best to reverse what you have done, & do the following...
|>|>
|>|>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or
|>|>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have
|>|>discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of
|>|>BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
|>|>that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program
|>|>Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those
|>|>DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use
|>|>its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the
|>|>IE5.5 .dll's.
|>|>
|>|>(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway!
|>|>(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to...
|>|> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer".
|>|>(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to...
|>|> "C:\Windows\System".
|>|> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder
|>|> named... "My System".
|>|> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System".
|>|> (c) "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode"
|>|> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System
|>|> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System
|>|>(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows
|>|>(4) Reboot.
|>|>
|>|>Try a massive copy or delete.
|>|
|>|
|>| Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give
|>| this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the
|>| problems. However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5.
|>| Since the registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I
|>| just deleted the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is
|>| the second time I installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my
|>| system, so this was a good opportunity to get rid of it. I
|>| normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am not too worried about security
|>| with IE. About the only time I use IE is when FF dont render a page
|>| correctly, or to get a quick weather report because IE loads faster.
|>|
|>| The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better
|>| understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98.
|>|
|>| When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows
|>| directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included.
|>| Checking the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5.
|>
|>I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder &
|>sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is
|>created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows
|>folder & there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party
|>products also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the
|>Windows folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least
|>both the Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install to
|>but they will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are as/of
|>the same date.
|>
| I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to neglect
| doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows folder, as well
| as my email and my photos to another drive, but that is all I have
| done since last December. Thus there is no recent backup of "Program
| Files". On the other hand, since I dont do much with the computer in
| summer, nothing much changed. By looking at the dates of folders in
| Progrma Files, I found that I had only installed three programs since
| the windows backup. One was a real simple reminder program that does
| not even require an installation because the download only contains an
| .EXE and a Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were
| more advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those
| folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup, then I
| reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now, except I had
| to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for some reason that
| program told me I had old definition files when in fact I just updated
| them a few days prior. My guess is that was a registry entry.
| All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same since I
| backed up windows.
|
| The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and
| fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a matter
| of copying them to the restored backup after installation. I saved
| the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find something else I
| need).

Well, it sounds messy to me. I guess there is no perfect cure now, if
you've already played with Program Files since restoring a backup
Windows folder. Otherwise, I'd have insisted you restore the "bad"
Windows folder as a starting point. The only thing bad about it was two
files!

| I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were
| quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files that I
| randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself. They are
| deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up which had
| been deleted.

Shortcuts & settings & registry tweaks are all at risk when one restores
a backup Windows folder as you have done. In the future, you must use a
cloning &/or imaging app for backups-- & backup/restore all folders
together.

|>After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. I
|>personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. That
|>is because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good luck.
|
| I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question I
| have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the BrowseUI.dll &
| BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I looked on the web
| earlier and found lots of discussions, but no one addressed what
| versions are needed and which version is which.
|
| BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB
| BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB
| I assume those are from IE 5.5.

If they are the perfect ones, they will both show version
5.50.4807.2300. Looking inside IE5.5's IE_S3.cab/IE_3.cab &
IE_S4.cab/IE_4.cab...

BrowseUI.dll 7/23/01 815,376 bytes
BrowseLC.dll 7/23/01 35,328 bytes

So, looks like you've got the right ones, just as Colorado said.

| --------------------------
|
| In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have
|
| BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB
| BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB
| I assume this is the IE6 version.

Those are also correct, & they are the fully updated IE6 files.

| So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these IE5.5
| ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right?

That is correct. It should solve the problem, if you do massive
deletes/copies often & refuse to go into DOS for it. Windows DOS works
fine no matter what version of those files one has!

| Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM
| folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two
| different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR?

Windows creates a VCM (Version Conflict Manager) folder when one does an
over-install of Windows. See the discussions dadiOH posted. Run quick,
if Terhune should approach-- he's against it for DLL-hell reasons! Here
is what I usually post (but I've never done it!)...

http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-US MSKB
Search "Version Conflict Manager" Windows 98 Full Text Exact Phrase
comes up with four...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us186157&Product=w98
Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98
(186157) - This article describes the Version Conflict Manager
tool(Vcmui.exe) included in Windows 98. You can use the Version Conflict
Manager tool to troubleshoot problems that may occur after you install a
program. NOTE: The Windows 98 Help topic "Version...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us184585&Product=w98
Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool
(184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore the
newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98 Setup, the
files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98 files may be
lost.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us188307&Product=w98
List of Documentation Errors in Windows 98 Resource Kit
(188307) - This article lists known documentation errors in the
Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit and the Microsoft Windows 98 Resource
Kit Book Online located in the Tools\Reskit\Help folder on the Windows
98 CD-ROM. The following known documentation errors are...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us184075&Product=w98
Description of Microsoft System Information (Msinfo32.exe) Tool
(184075) - Windows 98 includes a tool called Microsoft System
Information (Msinfo32.exe). This tool can be used to gather information
about your computer, to diagnose issues with your computer, or to access
other tools that are included with Windows 98. This...


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Dan]

{Note: My Usual Long Reply -- Sorry in advance because I get carried away --
grin}

Nice, PCR. I always like that you have the lists of Microsoft Windows
support articles. dadiOH's information was useful as well. I learned
something new today. So letterman, how are you going to work it so you avoid
dll h_ll and I would highly suggest doing things manually and not using tools
like "System Mechnanic" at least with Windows 98 because I think it is really
fun to read the long books on the operating system and slowly but surely
learn how to do everything like manually editing the registry yourself. It
can become more complicated in later operating systems but Windows 98 Second
Edition is a really fun operating system to manually work on after you start
reading up on lots of information and trying it out yourself and then you do
not have to rely on 3rd party programs especially since Windows 98 and 98
Second Edition no longer have mainstream support from Microsoft. I do like
MS-DOS that 98 Second Edition has as its maintenance operating system because
it is fun to work in a true text based environment and not just a command.com
prompt text based interface. Also, I like the fact that 98 Second Edition
does not have as many services running automatically like Windows XP has that
can be exploited and broken into the operating system because of them.
Finally, AFAIK Windows 98 Second Edition has no way to remotely connect
securely and safety with another user and this is a huge strength, imo,
because when someone hacks into a company's intranet then targets your
computer, if you are connected via Windows XP Professional VPN at least as of
September 2007 then you are a goner but if you are connected via Windows 98
Second Edition using VPN then all the hacker or hackers can do to you is give
you the usual denial of service error and this is so much nicer then actually
having a hacker remotely control your operating system.

"PCR" wrote:

> letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> | On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
> |
> |>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> |>| On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
> |>|
> |>|>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> |>|>| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my
> |>|>| desktop (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only
> |>|>| wanted the network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I
> |>|>| decided it was easier to copy files using flash memory sticks,
> |>|>| than fight with the network connections.
> |>|>|
> |>|>| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
> |>|>| abandoned that project weeks ago.
> |>|>|
> |>|>| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work,
> |>|>| I have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I
> |>|>| delete or move many files. For example, moving all the camera
> |>|>| photos from my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the
> |>|>| computer to just freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it
> |>|>| worked fine again. However during the freeze, I could not do
> |>|>| anything, or maybe I could get a few other loaded programs to
> |>|>| work, such as a web browser. At the same time, some other
> |>|>| programs would crash.
> |>|>|
> |>|>| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything
> |>|>| connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries
> |>|>| from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled
> |>|>| the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables
> |>|>| and router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups
> |>|>| have continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all
> |>|>| the hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers.
> |>|>|
> |>|>| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows
> |>|>| directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months
> |>|>| ago, which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few
> |>|>| programs, and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of
> |>|>| the old installation, but the backup works like it should. That
> |>|>| installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not
> |>|>| worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting
> |>|>| with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy,
> |>|>| because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer.
> |>|>|
> |>|>| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what
> |>|>| the heck happened to cause the problems.
> |>|>|
> |>|>| Anyone have any ideas?
> |>|>|
> |>|>| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it
> |>|>| dont interfere with the working windows.
> |>|>|
> |>|>| ---
> |>|>|
> |>|>| One other thing.......
> |>|>| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been
> |>|>| using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub
> |>|>| folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore
> |>|>| the program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE,
> |>|>| it works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it
> |>|>| says I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned
> |>|>| to run the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have
> |>|>| IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry.
> |>|>
> |>|>Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to
> |>|>solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6
> |>|>.dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be
> |>|>best to reverse what you have done, & do the following...
> |>|>
> |>|>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or
> |>|>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have
> |>|>discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of
> |>|>BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
> |>|>that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program
> |>|>Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those
> |>|>DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use
> |>|>its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the
> |>|>IE5.5 .dll's.
> |>|>
> |>|>(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway!
> |>|>(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to...
> |>|> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer".
> |>|>(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to...
> |>|> "C:\Windows\System".
> |>|> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder
> |>|> named... "My System".
> |>|> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System".
> |>|> (c) "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode"
> |>|> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System
> |>|> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System
> |>|>(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows
> |>|>(4) Reboot.
> |>|>
> |>|>Try a massive copy or delete.
> |>|
> |>|
> |>| Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give
> |>| this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the
> |>| problems. However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5.
> |>| Since the registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I
> |>| just deleted the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is
> |>| the second time I installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my
> |>| system, so this was a good opportunity to get rid of it. I
> |>| normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am not too worried about security
> |>| with IE. About the only time I use IE is when FF dont render a page
> |>| correctly, or to get a quick weather report because IE loads faster.
> |>|
> |>| The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better
> |>| understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98.
> |>|
> |>| When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows
> |>| directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included.
> |>| Checking the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5.
> |>
> |>I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder &
> |>sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is
> |>created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows
> |>folder & there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party
> |>products also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the
> |>Windows folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least
> |>both the Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install to
> |>but they will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are as/of
> |>the same date.
> |>
> | I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to neglect
> | doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows folder, as well
> | as my email and my photos to another drive, but that is all I have
> | done since last December. Thus there is no recent backup of "Program
> | Files". On the other hand, since I dont do much with the computer in
> | summer, nothing much changed. By looking at the dates of folders in
> | Progrma Files, I found that I had only installed three programs since
> | the windows backup. One was a real simple reminder program that does
> | not even require an installation because the download only contains an
> | .EXE and a Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were
> | more advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those
> | folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup, then I
> | reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now, except I had
> | to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for some reason that
> | program told me I had old definition files when in fact I just updated
> | them a few days prior. My guess is that was a registry entry.
> | All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same since I
> | backed up windows.
> |
> | The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and
> | fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a matter
> | of copying them to the restored backup after installation. I saved
> | the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find something else I
> | need).
>
> Well, it sounds messy to me. I guess there is no perfect cure now, if
> you've already played with Program Files since restoring a backup
> Windows folder. Otherwise, I'd have insisted you restore the "bad"
> Windows folder as a starting point. The only thing bad about it was two
> files!
>
> | I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were
> | quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files that I
> | randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself. They are
> | deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up which had
> | been deleted.
>
> Shortcuts & settings & registry tweaks are all at risk when one restores
> a backup Windows folder as you have done. In the future, you must use a
> cloning &/or imaging app for backups-- & backup/restore all folders
> together.
>
> |>After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. I
> |>personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. That
> |>is because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good luck.
> |
> | I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question I
> | have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the BrowseUI.dll &
> | BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I looked on the web
> | earlier and found lots of discussions, but no one addressed what
> | versions are needed and which version is which.
> |
> | BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB
> | BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB
> | I assume those are from IE 5.5.
>
> If they are the perfect ones, they will both show version
> 5.50.4807.2300. Looking inside IE5.5's IE_S3.cab/IE_3.cab &
> IE_S4.cab/IE_4.cab...
>
> BrowseUI.dll 7/23/01 815,376 bytes
> BrowseLC.dll 7/23/01 35,328 bytes
>
> So, looks like you've got the right ones, just as Colorado said.
>
> | --------------------------
> |
> | In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have
> |
> | BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB
> | BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB
> | I assume this is the IE6 version.
>
> Those are also correct, & they are the fully updated IE6 files.
>
> | So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these IE5.5
> | ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right?
>
> That is correct. It should solve the problem, if you do massive
> deletes/copies often & refuse to go into DOS for it. Windows DOS works
> fine no matter what version of those files one has!
>
> | Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM
> | folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two
> | different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR?
>
> Windows creates a VCM (Version Conflict Manager) folder when one does an
> over-install of Windows. See the discussions dadiOH posted. Run quick,
> if Terhune should approach-- he's against it for DLL-hell reasons! Here
> is what I usually post (but I've never done it!)...
>
> http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-US MSKB
> Search "Version Conflict Manager" Windows 98 Full Text Exact Phrase
> comes up with four...
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us186157&Product=w98
> Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98
> (186157) - This article describes the Version Conflict Manager
> tool(Vcmui.exe) included in Windows 98. You can use the Version Conflict
> Manager tool to troubleshoot problems that may occur after you install a
> program. NOTE: The Windows 98 Help topic "Version...
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us184585&Product=w98
> Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool
> (184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore the
> newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98 Setup, the
> files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98 files may be
> lost.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us188307&Product=w98
> List of Documentation Errors in Windows 98 Resource Kit
> (188307) - This article lists known documentation errors in the
> Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit and the Microsoft Windows 98 Resource
> Kit Book Online located in the Tools\Reskit\Help folder on the Windows
> 98 CD-ROM. The following known documentation errors are...
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us184075&Product=w98
> Description of Microsoft System Information (Msinfo32.exe) Tool
> (184075) - Windows 98 includes a tool called Microsoft System
> Information (Msinfo32.exe). This tool can be used to gather information
> about your computer, to diagnose issues with your computer, or to access
> other tools that are included with Windows 98. This...
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
>

 

[FromTheRafters]

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:366C6894-9050-4EE1-8D63-B9B646831819@microsoft.com...

> I do like MS-DOS that 98 Second Edition has as its maintenance operating
> system because it is fun to work in a true text based environment and not
> just
> a command.com prompt text based interface.

Command.com *is* the MS-DOS user interface, especially
since they dropped the GUI Dosshell.exe.

 

[Dan]

Please Google Chris Quirke who is a most valuable Microsoft Professional and
you will see he has the correct information. His blog is most informative
and there is no true MS-DOS, maintenance operating system with the business
source code line of Microsoft products which are NT, 2000, XP and Vista and
there is with the 9x source code line of products although it is limited in
Windows ME. {Note: I have even confirmed this with Microsoft so it is a
fact.}

"FromTheRafters" wrote:

>
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:366C6894-9050-4EE1-8D63-B9B646831819@microsoft.com...
>
> > I do like MS-DOS that 98 Second Edition has as its maintenance operating
> > system because it is fun to work in a true text based environment and not
> > just
> > a command.com prompt text based interface.
>
> Command.com *is* the MS-DOS user interface, especially
> since they dropped the GUI Dosshell.exe.
>
>
>

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or
>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have discovered
>for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll &
>BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6
>(IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\".
>Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\".
>Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else
>(if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's.

I can't understand why, but after doing this, my Explorer settings
reverted to View as Web Page and with Large Icons. My previous
settings were to not View as Web Page and to show Details. I would
have thought these settings were stored in the registry.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[PCR]

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or
|>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have
|>discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll
|>& BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains
|>IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet
|>Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
|>"C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's--
|>but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's.
|
| I can't understand why, but after doing this, my Explorer settings
| reverted to View as Web Page and with Large Icons. My previous
| settings were to not View as Web Page and to show Details. I would
| have thought these settings were stored in the registry.

I don't recall that happening when I tested it a while ago. As long as
you could easily get the settings back to normal, it probably isn't
worth an intensive investigation otherwise, I'd mess with those
settings while tracking with InCtrl5 to see what happens. The menu in
Explorer could end up looking a tad different is the only anomaly I
recall. I trust the main issue was solved for you & there was no
detectable serious side effect (or you'd have said so & possibly have
assasinated me or Bill of Co. &/or Chauvin). I should mention this
switch of files should only be done after all updates at Windows Update
have been taken otherwise, the LC &/or UI file could get replaced
again.

| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[PCR]

Dan wrote:
| {Note: My Usual Long Reply -- Sorry in advance because I get carried
| away -- grin}
|
| Nice, PCR. I always like that you have the lists of Microsoft Windows
| support articles.

Glad to have been useful. But I don't know much more about it. And don't
blame me if Terhune should show up & hit you over the head with a fat
..dll for thinking of an over-install of Windows & the VCM!

| dadiOH's information was useful as well. I learned
| something new today. So letterman, how are you going to work it so
| you avoid dll h_ll and I would highly suggest doing things manually
| and not using tools like "System Mechnanic" at least with Windows 98
| because I think it is really fun to read the long books on the
| operating system and slowly but surely learn how to do everything
| like manually editing the registry yourself. It can become more
| complicated in later operating systems but Windows 98 Second Edition
| is a really fun operating system to manually work on after you start
| reading up on lots of information and trying it out yourself and then
| you do not have to rely on 3rd party programs especially since
| Windows 98 and 98 Second Edition no longer have mainstream support
| from Microsoft. I do like MS-DOS that 98 Second Edition has as its
| maintenance operating system because it is fun to work in a true text
| based environment and not just a command.com prompt text based
| interface. Also, I like the fact that 98 Second Edition does not
| have as many services running automatically like Windows XP has that
| can be exploited and broken into the operating system because of
| them. Finally, AFAIK Windows 98 Second Edition has no way to remotely
| connect securely and safety with another user and this is a huge
| strength, imo, because when someone hacks into a company's intranet
| then targets your computer, if you are connected via Windows XP
| Professional VPN at least as of September 2007 then you are a goner
| but if you are connected via Windows 98 Second Edition using VPN then
| all the hacker or hackers can do to you is give you the usual denial
| of service error and this is so much nicer then actually having a
| hacker remotely control your operating system.
|
| "PCR" wrote:
|
|> letterman@invalid.com wrote:
|> | On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net>
|> | wrote:
|> |
|> |>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
|> |>| On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net>
|> |>| wrote:
|> |>|
|> |>|>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
|> |>|>| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my
|> |>|>| desktop (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I
|> |>|>| only wanted the network to copy my camera pictures to the
|> |>|>| laptop. I decided it was easier to copy files using flash
|> |>|>| memory sticks, than fight with the network connections.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
|> |>|>| abandoned that project weeks ago.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network
|> |>|>| work, I have been getting freezups. They occur particularly
|> |>|>| when I delete or move many files. For example, moving all the
|> |>|>| camera photos from my camera card (via USB card reader),
|> |>|>| caused the computer to just freeze for as much as 5 minutes.
|> |>|>| After that, it worked fine again. However during the freeze, I
|> |>|>| could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few other loaded
|> |>|>| programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same time,
|> |>|>| some other programs would crash.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed
|> |>|>| everything connected to the networking. I removed all the
|> |>|>| un-needed entries from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my
|> |>|>| TCP/IP), I disabled the built in ethernet card in my bios,
|> |>|>| and unplugged the cables and router, and removed all the
|> |>|>| drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever since. I
|> |>|>| have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors,
|> |>|>| and ran several system checkers.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the
|> |>|>| windows directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a
|> |>|>| few months ago, which was my most recent. I'll have to
|> |>|>| reinstall a few programs, and had to copy a few links from the
|> |>|>| desktop folder of the old installation, but the backup works
|> |>|>| like it should. That installation from the networking had
|> |>|>| just gone flakey and was not worth trying to repair any
|> |>|>| longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did
|> |>|>| reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know
|> |>|>| parts of it control Windows Explorer.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious
|> |>|>| what the heck happened to cause the problems.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| Anyone have any ideas?
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so
|> |>|>| it dont interfere with the working windows.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| ---
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| One other thing.......
|> |>|>| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have
|> |>|>| been using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub
|> |>|>| folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore
|> |>|>| the program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load
|> |>|>| IE, it works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on
|> |>|>| ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I
|> |>|>| had planned to run the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just
|> |>|>| tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in
|> |>|>| the registry.
|> |>|>
|> |>|>Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to
|> |>|>solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6
|> |>|>.dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might
|> |>|>be best to reverse what you have done, & do the following...
|> |>|>
|> |>|>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large
|> |>|>files or folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others
|> |>|>have discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of
|> |>|>BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the
|> |>|>folder that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is
|> |>|>"C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5
|> |>|>versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that
|> |>|>way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else (if
|> |>|>anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's.
|> |>|>
|> |>|>(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway!
|> |>|>(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll
|> |>|> to... "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer".
|> |>|>(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to...
|> |>|> "C:\Windows\System".
|> |>|> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder
|> |>|> named... "My System".
|> |>|> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System".
|> |>|> (c) "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode"
|> |>|> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System
|> |>|> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System
|> |>|>(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows
|> |>|>(4) Reboot.
|> |>|>
|> |>|>Try a massive copy or delete.
|> |>|
|> |>|
|> |>| Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to
|> |>| give this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the
|> |>| problems. However, what I did now was to just reinstall
|> |>| Windows5.5. Since the registry was set for it, and I had the
|> |>| install files, I just deleted the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5
|> |>| installer. This is the second time I installed IE6 and it
|> |>| caused trouble with my system, so this was a good opportunity to
|> |>| get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am not too
|> |>| worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE is
|> |>| when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather
|> |>| report because IE loads faster.
|> |>|
|> |>| The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better
|> |>| understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98.
|> |>|
|> |>| When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows
|> |>| directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included.
|> |>| Checking the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5.
|> |>
|> |>I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder &
|> |>sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is
|> |>created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows
|> |>folder & there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party
|> |>products also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the
|> |>Windows folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least
|> |>both the Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install
|> |>to but they will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are
|> |>as/of the same date.
|> |>
|> | I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to
|> | neglect doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows
|> | folder, as well as my email and my photos to another drive, but
|> | that is all I have done since last December. Thus there is no
|> | recent backup of "Program Files". On the other hand, since I dont
|> | do much with the computer in summer, nothing much changed. By
|> | looking at the dates of folders in Progrma Files, I found that I
|> | had only installed three programs since the windows backup. One
|> | was a real simple reminder program that does not even require an
|> | installation because the download only contains an .EXE and a
|> | Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were more
|> | advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those
|> | folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup,
|> | then I reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now,
|> | except I had to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for
|> | some reason that program told me I had old definition files when
|> | in fact I just updated them a few days prior. My guess is that
|> | was a registry entry.
|> | All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same
|> | since I backed up windows.
|> |
|> | The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and
|> | fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a
|> | matter of copying them to the restored backup after installation.
|> | I saved the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find
|> | something else I need).
|>
|> Well, it sounds messy to me. I guess there is no perfect cure now, if
|> you've already played with Program Files since restoring a backup
|> Windows folder. Otherwise, I'd have insisted you restore the "bad"
|> Windows folder as a starting point. The only thing bad about it was
|> two files!
|>
|> | I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were
|> | quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files
|> | that I randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself.
|> | They are deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up
|> | which had been deleted.
|>
|> Shortcuts & settings & registry tweaks are all at risk when one
|> restores a backup Windows folder as you have done. In the future,
|> you must use a cloning &/or imaging app for backups-- &
|> backup/restore all folders together.
|>
|> |>After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll.
|> |>I personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though.
|> |>That is because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good
|> |>luck.
|> |
|> | I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question
|> | I have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the
|> | BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I
|> | looked on the web earlier and found lots of discussions, but no
|> | one addressed what versions are needed and which version is which.
|> |
|> | BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB
|> | BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB
|> | I assume those are from IE 5.5.
|>
|> If they are the perfect ones, they will both show version
|> 5.50.4807.2300. Looking inside IE5.5's IE_S3.cab/IE_3.cab &
|> IE_S4.cab/IE_4.cab...
|>
|> BrowseUI.dll 7/23/01 815,376 bytes
|> BrowseLC.dll 7/23/01 35,328 bytes
|>
|> So, looks like you've got the right ones, just as Colorado said.
|>
|> | --------------------------
|> |
|> | In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have
|> |
|> | BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB
|> | BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB
|> | I assume this is the IE6 version.
|>
|> Those are also correct, & they are the fully updated IE6 files.
|>
|> | So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these
|> | IE5.5 ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right?
|>
|> That is correct. It should solve the problem, if you do massive
|> deletes/copies often & refuse to go into DOS for it. Windows DOS
|> works fine no matter what version of those files one has!
|>
|> | Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM
|> | folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two
|> | different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR?
|>
|> Windows creates a VCM (Version Conflict Manager) folder when one
|> does an over-install of Windows. See the discussions dadiOH posted.
|> Run quick, if Terhune should approach-- he's against it for DLL-hell
|> reasons! Here is what I usually post (but I've never done it!)...
|>
|> http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-US MSKB
|> Search "Version Conflict Manager" Windows 98 Full Text Exact
|> Phrase comes up with four...
|>
|>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us186157&Product=w98
|> Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98
|> (186157) - This article describes the Version Conflict Manager
|> tool(Vcmui.exe) included in Windows 98. You can use the Version
|> Conflict Manager tool to troubleshoot problems that may occur after
|> you install a program. NOTE: The Windows 98 Help topic "Version...
|>
|>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us184585&Product=w98
|> Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool
|> (184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore
|> the newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98
|> Setup, the files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98
|> files may be lost.
|>
|>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us188307&Product=w98
|> List of Documentation Errors in Windows 98 Resource Kit
|> (188307) - This article lists known documentation errors in the
|> Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit and the Microsoft Windows 98
|> Resource Kit Book Online located in the Tools\Reskit\Help folder on
|> the Windows 98 CD-ROM. The following known documentation errors
|> are...
|>
|>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kben-us184075&Product=w98
|> Description of Microsoft System Information (Msinfo32.exe) Tool
|> (184075) - Windows 98 includes a tool called Microsoft System
|> Information (Msinfo32.exe). This tool can be used to gather
|> information about your computer, to diagnose issues with your
|> computer, or to access other tools that are included with Windows
|> 98. This...
|>
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net