Experts I Need Your Help

Gary S. Terhune · Jul 28, 2007

NIC = Network Interface Card.

To get to Device Manager, right-click My Computer and the click Properties.
Device Manager should be one of the tabs.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B740E1CC-274C-4414-8ACF-BE5911E44F77@microsoft.com...
>
> Go to Network applet, remove everything, then go to Device
>> Manager, delete the NIC, and in the Properties of your dial-up modem,
>> Disable
>
> wheres is all of this?? this pc has no device manager tab
>
> nic?? where is that?
>
> there's only one network access that trought the control panel

Angel · Jul 28, 2007

Hi Gary,
The Modem that eduardo has is from BellSouth it is a Westell Versalink,
NOT Verstrell Versalink.
Model # 327 When I looked it up at the link he put on the post to me a few
posts back. I looked and it was 327W30. I then went to the Verstell website
and it is listed as C90-327W30-06 I wish he would confirm that it is the
exact model. Gary, please click on the link that he posted a few posts back.
Angel

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23G5Cc%23T0HHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> That should work.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:35EDED11-12DF-48C9-9100-03049C998F0F@microsoft.com...
> >
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> >
> >> Question: Do you know anyone with Windows XP on a laptop? If you could
> >> set
> >> this all up using an XP machine (and thus a system that ATT supports),
> >> you
> >> could set up the DSL and then once that's successfully done you will be
> >> able
> >> to connect the 98 computer.
> >>
> >
> >
> > NO I HAVE A VISTA LAP TOP
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > ok now im going to do all of you mention in the previous post. i let
eyou
> > know
> > ohhhhhhhh and why it make me create a user name for the networking ?? it
> > was
> > a bogus name now how can i delete that user name/?
>
>

Gary S. Terhune · Jul 28, 2007

I located info on that model, Angel. All I can say is that it is supposed to
handle Win98 just fine. Why it's not working here is the question, thus the
idea of using his Vista machine to set up and prove the DSL connection
before connecting the Win98 machine. We need to know if the modem is
actually getting the DSL service and is activated. That he can use the Vista
machine to access the internet.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:exwM%23NU0HHA.5152@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi Gary,
> The Modem that eduardo has is from BellSouth it is a Westell Versalink,
> NOT Verstrell Versalink.
> Model # 327 When I looked it up at the link he put on the post to me a few
> posts back. I looked and it was 327W30. I then went to the Verstell
> website
> and it is listed as C90-327W30-06 I wish he would confirm that it is the
> exact model. Gary, please click on the link that he posted a few posts
> back.
> Angel
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:%23G5Cc%23T0HHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> That should work.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:35EDED11-12DF-48C9-9100-03049C998F0F@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Question: Do you know anyone with Windows XP on a laptop? If you could
>> >> set
>> >> this all up using an XP machine (and thus a system that ATT supports),
>> >> you
>> >> could set up the DSL and then once that's successfully done you will
>> >> be
>> >> able
>> >> to connect the 98 computer.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > NO I HAVE A VISTA LAP TOP
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ok now im going to do all of you mention in the previous post. i let
> eyou
>> > know
>> > ohhhhhhhh and why it make me create a user name for the networking ??
>> > it
>> > was
>> > a bogus name now how can i delete that user name/?
>>
>>
>
>

Angel · Jul 28, 2007

Hi Gary,
Please ignore this last post. I did not read your post referring to this.
Sorry
Angel

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:exwM%23NU0HHA.5152@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi Gary,
> The Modem that eduardo has is from BellSouth it is a Westell
Versalink,
> NOT Verstrell Versalink.
> Model # 327 When I looked it up at the link he put on the post to me a few
> posts back. I looked and it was 327W30. I then went to the Verstell
website
> and it is listed as C90-327W30-06 I wish he would confirm that it is the
> exact model. Gary, please click on the link that he posted a few posts
back.
> Angel
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:%23G5Cc%23T0HHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > That should work.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS-MVP Shell/User
> > www.grystmill.com
> >
> > "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:35EDED11-12DF-48C9-9100-03049C998F0F@microsoft.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Question: Do you know anyone with Windows XP on a laptop? If you
could
> > >> set
> > >> this all up using an XP machine (and thus a system that ATT
supports),
> > >> you
> > >> could set up the DSL and then once that's successfully done you will
be
> > >> able
> > >> to connect the 98 computer.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > NO I HAVE A VISTA LAP TOP
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ok now im going to do all of you mention in the previous post. i let
> eyou
> > > know
> > > ohhhhhhhh and why it make me create a user name for the networking ??
it
> > > was
> > > a bogus name now how can i delete that user name/?
> >
> >
>
>

Eduardo · Jul 28, 2007

ANGEL YES THAT'S THE MODEM

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> I located info on that model, Angel. All I can say is that it is supposed to
> handle Win98 just fine. Why it's not working here is the question, thus the
> idea of using his Vista machine to set up and prove the DSL connection
> before connecting the Win98 machine. We need to know if the modem is
> actually getting the DSL service and is activated. That he can use the Vista
> machine to access the internet.
>
GARY YES EVERYTHING WORKS PERFECT WITH MY CONNECTION I SURF THE NET SEE MY
WIRELEES NETWORK GO TO 192. WHATEVER NUMBER AND SEE EVEYTHING THAT HAPPENS
WITH MY CONNECTION THE WEP KEY THE FIREWALL EVEYTHING .

OK BEFORE I DELETE EVEYTHING WITH THE NETWORK I HAVE LOOK FOR THE DISCS OF
THE ETERNET CARD ETC I GUESS I DO IT ANOTHER TIME THIS IS GETTING TOO
COMPLICATED

WE'LL SEE THANKS
BYE

PCR · Jul 28, 2007

Angel wrote:
| Well PCR,
| What I said, I said in jest. I was hoping I did not really start
| anything. It looks like I did.
| I really do not know how big his belly is and really do not care, as
| long as he uses his brain.
| Angel

No, no-- it's OK! From what you said, his head only grew 27"! OK, sorry
for the confusion! OK, bye!

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uHNYkvJ0HHA.4236@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> Angel wrote:
|> | Eduardo,
|> | I got the Modem from ATT. Brand 2wire Gateway. It is an external
|> | modem that you just plug in to the Ethernet port. It is more
|> | expensive than a regular one from them. You do not need a firewall
|> | with it as you need to use with the less expensive one. Read Gary
|> | Tehune's post. He knows more than I do about these things, a lot
|> | more. He is an expert. I could say more, but I don't want to give
|> | him a big head. Angel
|>
|> Right-- he likes his head to be 2" smaller than his belly. That way,
|> he doesn't explode after swallowing it!
|>
|> | "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
|> | news:2470C5F1-4799-416F-9AD1-0722E59C5912@microsoft.com...
|> |> Angel now that you tell me that your dsl modem works with w98 i
|> |> really want to know how can i get online with another modem like
|> |> you are doing ?? my wireless modem is westrell versalink /is not
|> |> be able to comunicate with wi98 ( we tried the ethernet port we
|> |> tried to change the renew and remove all the ip addreses we
|> |> restart the pc and nothing maybe this is the real problem the
|> |> modem and not att
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> --------------------------
|> |>
|> |> "Brian A." wrote:
|> |>
|> |> > You may see it as being rude, I look at it as being aggressive
|> |> > to pound the point into their thick skulls.
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> OK
|> |>
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> > This is your first mention of wireless
|> |> WELL IM SORRY
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> and usb,
|> |>
|> |> HE TOLD THAT MAYBE BECAUSE MY MODEM DOESN'T HAVE A USB CABLE IS
|> |> NOT CAPABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH 98 TROUGHT ANOTHER PORT INSTEAD
|> |> OF THE ETHERNET CABLE
|> |>
|> |> both are critical details you
|> |> > failed to provide previously.
|> |>
|> |>

DONT HATE ME MAN
|> |>
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> thanks for the help i really appreciated
|> |> > > thank you very much
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PCR · Jul 28, 2007

Eduardo wrote:
| TO : Angel, Gary,Pcr / ron/mart/curt
| Thank you very much for your help just for the fact of taking the
| time

You are welcome.

| to help me out finding out things for me and really guiding me
| with this issue out thanks allot from now on I'am going to bother you
| guys for help specially with my new vista system which i have a few
| things that drives me crazy

We don't want to go crazy or become irradiated with Vista, either! Or
XP!

| I'am going to try all of this tomorrow to see if something works or
| what I'am doing wrong I have to make it work now for sure

I'll continue to look in & try to help, but so far I haven't seen
anything I can sink my teeth into. (I've never actually installed a
modem.) The others do seem to be on to something, though.

| thanks and i can't believe there's people so nice like you guys
| willing to give a helping hand
|

DONT HATE ME MAN
|> >> >
|> >> >
|> >> >
|> >> > thanks for the help i really appreciated
|> >> > > > thank you very much

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Angel · Jul 28, 2007

Hi,
I just hope that Eduardo does not try to use the software that came with
his DSL package. The AT&T keeps sending me email trying to get me to
download their Virus scan and other stuff. I will not do it. Every once in a
while their repair tool comes up because something goofs. I don't do it.
The situation I was in goes away almost as soon as it happened. Sometimes
all it takes is to quit the program I am using or restart the computer. I
would be leery that I would really get into trouble using their repair tool.
I would rather ask in this discussion group when problems arise. You have to
do a custom install when you install the modem. You do not need all the
programs that the AT&T want you to download. That probably goes with any
Internet Provider.
Angel

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:exWKmGV0HHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Eduardo wrote:
> | TO : Angel, Gary,Pcr / ron/mart/curt
> | Thank you very much for your help just for the fact of taking the
> | time
>
> You are welcome.
>
> | to help me out finding out things for me and really guiding me
> | with this issue out thanks allot from now on I'am going to bother you
> | guys for help specially with my new vista system which i have a few
> | things that drives me crazy
>
> We don't want to go crazy or become irradiated with Vista, either! Or
> XP!
>
> | I'am going to try all of this tomorrow to see if something works or
> | what I'am doing wrong I have to make it work now for sure
>
> I'll continue to look in & try to help, but so far I haven't seen
> anything I can sink my teeth into. (I've never actually installed a
> modem.) The others do seem to be on to something, though.
>
> | thanks and i can't believe there's people so nice like you guys
> | willing to give a helping hand
> |

> |
> | Ac
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> |
> |> Have you seen this?
> |>
>
http://onlinehelp.verizon.net/consumer/bin/pdf/VersaLink327WGatewayQuickStartGuide.pdf
> |>
> |> Right there on page 4, it states that the modem is compatible with
> |> all Windows 9x editions. Also, the address they say is default for
> |> that modem's access is
> |> http://dslrouter or http://192.168.1.1
> |>
> |> --
> |> Gary S. Terhune
> |> MS-MVP Shell/User
> |> www.grystmill.com
> |>
> |> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> |> news:1B4D5C9B-60AD-4E24-8E1F-F5D0DE5BEAB9@microsoft.com...
> |> > yes angle is a westell versalink 327
> |> > because i really want to see if it works I post the question here
> |> >
>
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18761048-WIN-98-Can-i-make-it-work-with-my-327W30-modem
> |> >
> |> >
> |> > "Angel" wrote:
> |> >
> |> >> Hi Eduardo,
> |> >> You mentioned the make of the modem. What is the model? Are
> |> >> you sure it
> |> >> is westrell versalink and not westell versalink? I went to the
> |> >> website of the Westell company. They make a lot of Modems. When I
> |> >> tried to go to the westrell website, there were no modems listed.
> |> >> Did you get it from Verison?
> |> >> When I went to Yahoo Search it has only 2 links listed. Again as
> |> >> you were asked from the experts list your make and modell of the
> |> >> modem. Well, I have to get off because of a thunder storm is
> |> >> moving in. A severe one.
> |> >> Angel
> |> >>
> |> >> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> |> >> news:2470C5F1-4799-416F-9AD1-0722E59C5912@microsoft.com...
> |> >> > Angel now that you tell me that your dsl modem works with w98
> |> >> > i really want to know how can i get online with another modem
> |> >> > like you are doing ?? my
> |> >> > wireless modem is westrell versalink /is not be able to
> |> >> > comunicate with wi98 ( we tried the ethernet port we tried to
> |> >> > change the renew and remove all
> |> >> the
> |> >> > ip addreses we restart the pc and nothing maybe this is the real
> |> >> > problem
> |> >> the
> |> >> > modem and not att
> |> >> >
> |> >> >
> |> >> > --------------------------
> |> >> >
> |> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
> |> >> >
> |> >> > > You may see it as being rude, I look at it as being
> |> >> > > aggressive to pound the point into their thick skulls.
> |> >> >
> |> >> >
> |> >> > OK
> |> >> >
> |> >> >
> |> >> >
> |> >> > > This is your first mention of wireless
> |> >> > WELL IM SORRY
> |> >> >
> |> >> >
> |> >> > and usb,
> |> >> >
> |> >> > HE TOLD THAT MAYBE BECAUSE MY MODEM DOESN'T HAVE A USB CABLE
> |> >> > IS NOT CAPABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH 98 TROUGHT ANOTHER PORT
> |> >> > INSTEAD OF THE ETHERNET CABLE
> |> >> >
> |> >> > both are critical details you
> |> >> > > failed to provide previously.
> |> >> >
> |> >> >

DONT HATE ME MAN
> |> >> >
> |> >> >
> |> >> >
> |> >> > thanks for the help i really appreciated
> |> >> > > > thank you very much
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

PCR · Jul 28, 2007

Angel wrote:
| Hi,
| I just hope that Eduardo does not try to use the software that
| came with his DSL package.

Judging from Brian A.'s experience, it's best not to install anything
that may require AT&T help. NetZero actually scans incoming E-Mail with
Norton, looks like, at their server. I certainly haven't had to download
Norton for it. However, NetZero doesn't scan WEB pages for me-- only
avast! does that.

| The AT&T keeps sending me email trying to
| get me to download their Virus scan and other stuff. I will not do
| it. Every once in a while their repair tool comes up because
| something goofs. I don't do it. The situation I was in goes away
| almost as soon as it happened. Sometimes all it takes is to quit the
| program I am using or restart the computer. I would be leery that I
| would really get into trouble using their repair tool. I would rather
| ask in this discussion group when problems arise.

Yea. Sounds best to do it on your own or with the NG, if you can
connect, instead of with AT&T. NetZero has help screens I can use
offline.

| You have to do a
| custom install when you install the modem. You do not need all the
| programs that the AT&T want you to download. That probably goes with
| any Internet Provider. Angel

Sounds like that's the way to go, yea-- God bless the user who can fix
hir own!

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:exWKmGV0HHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> Eduardo wrote:
|> | TO : Angel, Gary,Pcr / ron/mart/curt
|> | Thank you very much for your help just for the fact of taking the
|> | time
|>
|> You are welcome.
|>
|> | to help me out finding out things for me and really guiding me
|> | with this issue out thanks allot from now on I'am going to bother
|> | you guys for help specially with my new vista system which i have
|> | a few things that drives me crazy
|>
|> We don't want to go crazy or become irradiated with Vista, either! Or
|> XP!
|>
|> | I'am going to try all of this tomorrow to see if something works or
|> | what I'am doing wrong I have to make it work now for sure
|>
|> I'll continue to look in & try to help, but so far I haven't seen
|> anything I can sink my teeth into. (I've never actually installed a
|> modem.) The others do seem to be on to something, though.
|>
|> | thanks and i can't believe there's people so nice like you guys
|> | willing to give a helping hand
|> |

|> |
|> | Ac
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
|> |
|> |> Have you seen this?
|> |>
|>
|
http://onlinehelp.verizon.net/consumer/bin/pdf/VersaLink327WGatewayQuickStartGuide.pdf
|> |>
|> |> Right there on page 4, it states that the modem is compatible with
|> |> all Windows 9x editions. Also, the address they say is default for
|> |> that modem's access is
|> |> http://dslrouter or http://192.168.1.1
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Gary S. Terhune
|> |> MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> www.grystmill.com
|> |>
|> |> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
|> |> news:1B4D5C9B-60AD-4E24-8E1F-F5D0DE5BEAB9@microsoft.com...
|> |> > yes angle is a westell versalink 327
|> |> > because i really want to see if it works I post the question
|> |> > here
|> |> >
|>
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18761048-WIN-98-Can-i-make-it-work-with-my-327W30-modem
|> |> >
|> |> >
|> |> > "Angel" wrote:
|> |> >
|> |> >> Hi Eduardo,
|> |> >> You mentioned the make of the modem. What is the model? Are
|> |> >> you sure it
|> |> >> is westrell versalink and not westell versalink? I went to the
|> |> >> website of the Westell company. They make a lot of Modems.
|> |> >> When I tried to go to the westrell website, there were no
|> |> >> modems listed. Did you get it from Verison?
|> |> >> When I went to Yahoo Search it has only 2 links listed. Again
|> |> >> as you were asked from the experts list your make and modell
|> |> >> of the modem. Well, I have to get off because of a thunder
|> |> >> storm is moving in. A severe one.
|> |> >> Angel
|> |> >>
|> |> >> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
|> |> >> news:2470C5F1-4799-416F-9AD1-0722E59C5912@microsoft.com...
|> |> >> > Angel now that you tell me that your dsl modem works with
|> |> >> > w98 i really want to know how can i get online with another
|> |> >> > modem like you are doing ?? my
|> |> >> > wireless modem is westrell versalink /is not be able to
|> |> >> > comunicate with wi98 ( we tried the ethernet port we tried to
|> |> >> > change the renew and remove all
|> |> >> the
|> |> >> > ip addreses we restart the pc and nothing maybe this is the
|> |> >> > real problem
|> |> >> the
|> |> >> > modem and not att
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> > --------------------------
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> > > You may see it as being rude, I look at it as being
|> |> >> > > aggressive to pound the point into their thick skulls.
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> > OK
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> > > This is your first mention of wireless
|> |> >> > WELL IM SORRY
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> > and usb,
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> > HE TOLD THAT MAYBE BECAUSE MY MODEM DOESN'T HAVE A USB CABLE
|> |> >> > IS NOT CAPABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH 98 TROUGHT ANOTHER PORT
|> |> >> > INSTEAD OF THE ETHERNET CABLE
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> > both are critical details you
|> |> >> > > failed to provide previously.
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> >

DONT HATE ME MAN
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> >
|> |> >> > thanks for the help i really appreciated
|> |> >> > > > thank you very much
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Angel · Jul 28, 2007

Thanks PCR,
I can always go to the dial up if I need to get off a message or email
to shout for help if I have a problem. I never disabled my dial up modem. So
all I have to do is unplug the DSL modem and plug in the dial up cord to the
phone line. I tried it and it works. It did when I checked it out right
after I got the DSL. Yahoo scans their email.I think it is Norton. I have
some other email boxes. I do not trust them. I get a lot of junk mail in
them. Even when I did not open their email, I was getting Trojans. That was
a while back.
Angel

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:uJhbZ6V0HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Angel wrote:
> | Hi,
> | I just hope that Eduardo does not try to use the software that
> | came with his DSL package.
>
> Judging from Brian A.'s experience, it's best not to install anything
> that may require AT&T help. NetZero actually scans incoming E-Mail with
> Norton, looks like, at their server. I certainly haven't had to download
> Norton for it. However, NetZero doesn't scan WEB pages for me-- only
> avast! does that.
>
> | The AT&T keeps sending me email trying to
> | get me to download their Virus scan and other stuff. I will not do
> | it. Every once in a while their repair tool comes up because
> | something goofs. I don't do it. The situation I was in goes away
> | almost as soon as it happened. Sometimes all it takes is to quit the
> | program I am using or restart the computer. I would be leery that I
> | would really get into trouble using their repair tool. I would rather
> | ask in this discussion group when problems arise.
>
> Yea. Sounds best to do it on your own or with the NG, if you can
> connect, instead of with AT&T. NetZero has help screens I can use
> offline.
>
> | You have to do a
> | custom install when you install the modem. You do not need all the
> | programs that the AT&T want you to download. That probably goes with
> | any Internet Provider. Angel
>
> Sounds like that's the way to go, yea-- God bless the user who can fix
> hir own!
>
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:exWKmGV0HHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> |> Eduardo wrote:
> |> | TO : Angel, Gary,Pcr / ron/mart/curt
> |> | Thank you very much for your help just for the fact of taking the
> |> | time
> |>
> |> You are welcome.
> |>
> |> | to help me out finding out things for me and really guiding me
> |> | with this issue out thanks allot from now on I'am going to bother
> |> | you guys for help specially with my new vista system which i have
> |> | a few things that drives me crazy
> |>
> |> We don't want to go crazy or become irradiated with Vista, either! Or
> |> XP!
> |>
> |> | I'am going to try all of this tomorrow to see if something works or
> |> | what I'am doing wrong I have to make it work now for sure
> |>
> |> I'll continue to look in & try to help, but so far I haven't seen
> |> anything I can sink my teeth into. (I've never actually installed a
> |> modem.) The others do seem to be on to something, though.
> |>
> |> | thanks and i can't believe there's people so nice like you guys
> |> | willing to give a helping hand
> |> |

> |> |
> |> | Ac
> |> |
> |> |
> |> |
> |> |
> |> | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> |> |
> |> |> Have you seen this?
> |> |>
> |>
> |
>
http://onlinehelp.verizon.net/consumer/bin/pdf/VersaLink327WGatewayQuickStartGuide.pdf
> |> |>
> |> |> Right there on page 4, it states that the modem is compatible with
> |> |> all Windows 9x editions. Also, the address they say is default for
> |> |> that modem's access is
> |> |> http://dslrouter or http://192.168.1.1
> |> |>
> |> |> --
> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/User
> |> |> www.grystmill.com
> |> |>
> |> |> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> |> |> news:1B4D5C9B-60AD-4E24-8E1F-F5D0DE5BEAB9@microsoft.com...
> |> |> > yes angle is a westell versalink 327
> |> |> > because i really want to see if it works I post the question
> |> |> > here
> |> |> >
> |>
> |
>
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18761048-WIN-98-Can-i-make-it-work-with-my-327W30-modem
> |> |> >
> |> |> >
> |> |> > "Angel" wrote:
> |> |> >
> |> |> >> Hi Eduardo,
> |> |> >> You mentioned the make of the modem. What is the model? Are
> |> |> >> you sure it
> |> |> >> is westrell versalink and not westell versalink? I went to the
> |> |> >> website of the Westell company. They make a lot of Modems.
> |> |> >> When I tried to go to the westrell website, there were no
> |> |> >> modems listed. Did you get it from Verison?
> |> |> >> When I went to Yahoo Search it has only 2 links listed. Again
> |> |> >> as you were asked from the experts list your make and modell
> |> |> >> of the modem. Well, I have to get off because of a thunder
> |> |> >> storm is moving in. A severe one.
> |> |> >> Angel
> |> |> >>
> |> |> >> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> |> |> >> news:2470C5F1-4799-416F-9AD1-0722E59C5912@microsoft.com...
> |> |> >> > Angel now that you tell me that your dsl modem works with
> |> |> >> > w98 i really want to know how can i get online with another
> |> |> >> > modem like you are doing ?? my
> |> |> >> > wireless modem is westrell versalink /is not be able to
> |> |> >> > comunicate with wi98 ( we tried the ethernet port we tried to
> |> |> >> > change the renew and remove all
> |> |> >> the
> |> |> >> > ip addreses we restart the pc and nothing maybe this is the
> |> |> >> > real problem
> |> |> >> the
> |> |> >> > modem and not att
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> > --------------------------
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> > > You may see it as being rude, I look at it as being
> |> |> >> > > aggressive to pound the point into their thick skulls.
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> > OK
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> > > This is your first mention of wireless
> |> |> >> > WELL IM SORRY
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> > and usb,
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> > HE TOLD THAT MAYBE BECAUSE MY MODEM DOESN'T HAVE A USB CABLE
> |> |> >> > IS NOT CAPABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH 98 TROUGHT ANOTHER PORT
> |> |> >> > INSTEAD OF THE ETHERNET CABLE
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> > both are critical details you
> |> |> >> > > failed to provide previously.
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> >

DONT HATE ME MAN
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> >
> |> |> >> > thanks for the help i really appreciated
> |> |> >> > > > thank you very much
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

PCR · Jul 29, 2007

Angel wrote:
| Thanks PCR,
| I can always go to the dial up if I need to get off a message or
| email to shout for help if I have a problem. I never disabled my dial
| up modem. So all I have to do is unplug the DSL modem and plug in the
| dial up cord to the phone line. I tried it and it works.

Very good, Angel. Never burn the bridges behind you. And don't burn your
britches, either, before taking them off! That's the mistake Terhune
often makes!

| It did when
| I checked it out right after I got the DSL. Yahoo scans their email.I
| think it is Norton. I have some other email boxes. I do not trust
| them. I get a lot of junk mail in them. Even when I did not open
| their email, I was getting Trojans. That was a while back.

Well, I'm glad that stopped happening. I do recall a while back there
was a horrible episode of a ton of spam in everyone's E-Mail. I was
getting hundreds! That went on for a week at least, before ISP's
regained control. Now, every now & then, I get a message from NetZero
that spam was prevented from entering my mailbox. I still get
unsolicited stuff, but it's much, much less! And I have OE message rules
that prevents much of it from coming & puts the rest in Deleted
Items...!...

I only had two posts in any of my IE folders larger than 90 KB. One had
an attachment. The other was HTML with a picture inside. The largest
post on this NG in my 40 days of download is 58 KB. So, I feel it is
acceptable to...

(1) "OE, Tools menu, Message Rules, Mail".
(2) Check "Where the message size is more than size" in first window.
(3) Check "Delete it from server" in second window.
(4) Check "stop processing more rules"
(5) Click "Size" in third window, & set it to 100 KB.
(6 Use the "Move up" button to move this rule to the top of any other
rule you may have.

Those Swen posts are 144 KB. So, they will not download. Naturally, if
you expect a large post, such as one with a legitimate attachment, then
you must disable that rule before it is sent to you. Otherwise, you will
never see it. (Update: Your ISP may STILL have them at their "E-Mail on
the WEB". So? Go do it there too.)

However, the fake "returned mail" posts will still get through. They
seem to be far fewer, & certainly are quicker to download. These also
are a danger, if they contain an attachment. Just delete them, or create
a rule to delete them automatically. It seems to work to...

Conditions:
Where the To line contains people.
Where the message has an attachment.

Actions:
Delete it.
Stop processing more rules.

Description:
Click "Contains people". Have it select all posts that do not have you
in the "To" field. (Mine says "Does not contain 'PCR'".)

Move the rule up, if necessary, to just below the other.

Now these smaller mail will all go into your "Deleted Items" folder.
When you are sure nothing of value is in there, R-Clk the folder &
select "Empty...".

They can safely be viewed (to see nothing of importance is there) by
"R-Clk Deleted Items, Find", & check the "Received before" box. If the
Headers don't say it all, then "R-Clk one of them, Properties, Details
button, View Source" is very safe to do.

| Angel
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uJhbZ6V0HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> Angel wrote:
|> | Hi,
|> | I just hope that Eduardo does not try to use the software that
|> | came with his DSL package.
|>
|> Judging from Brian A.'s experience, it's best not to install anything
|> that may require AT&T help. NetZero actually scans incoming E-Mail
|> with Norton, looks like, at their server. I certainly haven't had to
|> download Norton for it. However, NetZero doesn't scan WEB pages for
|> me-- only avast! does that.
|>
|> | The AT&T keeps sending me email trying to
|> | get me to download their Virus scan and other stuff. I will not do
|> | it. Every once in a while their repair tool comes up because
|> | something goofs. I don't do it. The situation I was in goes away
|> | almost as soon as it happened. Sometimes all it takes is to quit
|> | the program I am using or restart the computer. I would be leery
|> | that I would really get into trouble using their repair tool. I
|> | would rather ask in this discussion group when problems arise.
|>
|> Yea. Sounds best to do it on your own or with the NG, if you can
|> connect, instead of with AT&T. NetZero has help screens I can use
|> offline.
|>
|> | You have to do a
|> | custom install when you install the modem. You do not need all the
|> | programs that the AT&T want you to download. That probably goes
|> | with any Internet Provider. Angel
|>
|> Sounds like that's the way to go, yea-- God bless the user who can
|> fix hir own!
|>
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:exWKmGV0HHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> |> Eduardo wrote:
|> |> | TO : Angel, Gary,Pcr / ron/mart/curt
|> |> | Thank you very much for your help just for the fact of taking
|> |> | the time
|> |>
|> |> You are welcome.
|> |>
|> |> | to help me out finding out things for me and really guiding me
|> |> | with this issue out thanks allot from now on I'am going to
|> |> | bother you guys for help specially with my new vista system
|> |> | which i have a few things that drives me crazy
|> |>
|> |> We don't want to go crazy or become irradiated with Vista,
|> |> either! Or XP!
|> |>
|> |> | I'am going to try all of this tomorrow to see if something
|> |> | works or what I'am doing wrong I have to make it work now for
|> |> | sure
|> |>
|> |> I'll continue to look in & try to help, but so far I haven't seen
|> |> anything I can sink my teeth into. (I've never actually installed
|> |> a modem.) The others do seem to be on to something, though.
|> |>
|> |> | thanks and i can't believe there's people so nice like you guys
|> |> | willing to give a helping hand
|> |> |

|> |> |
|> |> | Ac
|> |> |
|> |> |
|> |> |
|> |> |
|> |> | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
|> |> |
|> |> |> Have you seen this?
|> |> |>
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://onlinehelp.verizon.net/consumer/bin/pdf/VersaLink327WGatewayQuickStartGuide.pdf
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Right there on page 4, it states that the modem is compatible
|> |> |> with all Windows 9x editions. Also, the address they say is
|> |> |> default for that modem's access is
|> |> |> http://dslrouter or http://192.168.1.1
|> |> |>
|> |> |> --
|> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> |> www.grystmill.com
|> |> |>
|> |> |> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
|> |> |> news:1B4D5C9B-60AD-4E24-8E1F-F5D0DE5BEAB9@microsoft.com...
|> |> |> > yes angle is a westell versalink 327
|> |> |> > because i really want to see if it works I post the question
|> |> |> > here
|> |> |> >
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18761048-WIN-98-Can-i-make-it-work-with-my-327W30-modem
|> |> |> >
|> |> |> >
|> |> |> > "Angel" wrote:
|> |> |> >
|> |> |> >> Hi Eduardo,
|> |> |> >> You mentioned the make of the modem. What is the model?
|> |> |> >> Are you sure it
|> |> |> >> is westrell versalink and not westell versalink? I went to
|> |> |> >> the website of the Westell company. They make a lot of
|> |> |> >> Modems. When I tried to go to the westrell website, there
|> |> |> >> were no modems listed. Did you get it from Verison?
|> |> |> >> When I went to Yahoo Search it has only 2 links listed.
|> |> |> >> Again as you were asked from the experts list your make and
|> |> |> >> modell of the modem. Well, I have to get off because of
|> |> |> >> a thunder storm is moving in. A severe one.
|> |> |> >> Angel
|> |> |> >>
|> |> |> >> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
|> |> |> >> message
|> |> |> >> news:2470C5F1-4799-416F-9AD1-0722E59C5912@microsoft.com...
|> |> |> >> > Angel now that you tell me that your dsl modem works with
|> |> |> >> > w98 i really want to know how can i get online with
|> |> |> >> > another modem like you are doing ?? my
|> |> |> >> > wireless modem is westrell versalink /is not be able to
|> |> |> >> > comunicate with wi98 ( we tried the ethernet port we
|> |> |> >> > tried to change the renew and remove all
|> |> |> >> the
|> |> |> >> > ip addreses we restart the pc and nothing maybe this is
|> |> |> >> > the real problem
|> |> |> >> the
|> |> |> >> > modem and not att
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> > --------------------------
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> > > You may see it as being rude, I look at it as being
|> |> |> >> > > aggressive to pound the point into their thick skulls.
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> > OK
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> > > This is your first mention of wireless
|> |> |> >> > WELL IM SORRY
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> > and usb,
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> > HE TOLD THAT MAYBE BECAUSE MY MODEM DOESN'T HAVE A USB
|> |> |> >> > CABLE IS NOT CAPABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH 98 TROUGHT
|> |> |> >> > ANOTHER PORT INSTEAD OF THE ETHERNET CABLE
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> > both are critical details you
|> |> |> >> > > failed to provide previously.
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> >

DONT HATE ME MAN
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> >> > thanks for the help i really appreciated
|> |> |> >> > > > thank you very much
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Eduardo · Jul 29, 2007

Ok I have bad news i can't find the drivers for the cards etc whatever i
have to install again once I get this drivers i post back to give my update
thanks again

Gary S. Terhune · Jul 29, 2007

What do you have to install again? You don't need any drivers for the ATT
DSL modem. We *are* talking about DSL (high bandwidth), aren't we? You
aren't talking about a dial-up modem, are you? A card that you insert into
the motherboard inside the computer?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:867E81BD-7D2C-4C89-834F-BDA19454FD83@microsoft.com...
>
> Ok I have bad news i can't find the drivers for the cards etc whatever i
> have to install again once I get this drivers i post back to give my
> update
> thanks again

Eduardo · Jul 29, 2007

Go to Network applet, remove everything, then go to Device
Manager, delete the NIC, and in the Properties of your dial-up modem,
Disable in this Profile (not the exact terms, but I don't have a 98 machine
in front of me.) Reboot and then reinstall the NIC and let Windows rebuild
the networking.
NIC = Network Interface Card.

To get to Device Manager, right-click My Computer and the click Properties.
Device Manager should be one of the tabs.

*************you told i need to remove the NIC how do install it again then?
if i dont have the drivers?????????

Gary S. Terhune · Jul 29, 2007

Just to make sure, you don't need to remove the card. Just remove the device
in Device Manager. Yes, you may need to have the drivers on hand. Do you
know the make/model of the NIC? If not, try using Everest 2.20 to find out:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:AEC1B5A6-B429-476F-9486-F17ADA33F70A@microsoft.com...
> Go to Network applet, remove everything, then go to Device
> Manager, delete the NIC, and in the Properties of your dial-up modem,
> Disable in this Profile (not the exact terms, but I don't have a 98
> machine
> in front of me.) Reboot and then reinstall the NIC and let Windows rebuild
> the networking.
> NIC = Network Interface Card.
>
> To get to Device Manager, right-click My Computer and the click
> Properties.
> Device Manager should be one of the tabs.
>
>
>
>
>
> *************you told i need to remove the NIC how do install it again
> then?
> if i dont have the drivers?????????

Angel · Jul 29, 2007

Hi PCR,
I did this in my Outlook Express using SBC. I cannot do this in the
other email address I have. The only thing I did different is put it in a
bulk folder and flag it. That way, I can find out if it is from someone I
know. If it isn't I will delete it then. The rest are Web Mail accounts. I
set them all up for text only.
Angel

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:OALCTmg0HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Angel wrote:
> | Thanks PCR,
> | I can always go to the dial up if I need to get off a message or
> | email to shout for help if I have a problem. I never disabled my dial
> | up modem. So all I have to do is unplug the DSL modem and plug in the
> | dial up cord to the phone line. I tried it and it works.
>
> Very good, Angel. Never burn the bridges behind you. And don't burn your
> britches, either, before taking them off! That's the mistake Terhune
> often makes!
>
> | It did when
> | I checked it out right after I got the DSL. Yahoo scans their email.I
> | think it is Norton. I have some other email boxes. I do not trust
> | them. I get a lot of junk mail in them. Even when I did not open
> | their email, I was getting Trojans. That was a while back.
>
> Well, I'm glad that stopped happening. I do recall a while back there
> was a horrible episode of a ton of spam in everyone's E-Mail. I was
> getting hundreds! That went on for a week at least, before ISP's
> regained control. Now, every now & then, I get a message from NetZero
> that spam was prevented from entering my mailbox. I still get
> unsolicited stuff, but it's much, much less! And I have OE message rules
> that prevents much of it from coming & puts the rest in Deleted
> Items...!...
>
> I only had two posts in any of my IE folders larger than 90 KB. One had
> an attachment. The other was HTML with a picture inside. The largest
> post on this NG in my 40 days of download is 58 KB. So, I feel it is
> acceptable to...
>
> (1) "OE, Tools menu, Message Rules, Mail".
> (2) Check "Where the message size is more than size" in first window.
> (3) Check "Delete it from server" in second window.
> (4) Check "stop processing more rules"
> (5) Click "Size" in third window, & set it to 100 KB.
> (6 Use the "Move up" button to move this rule to the top of any other
> rule you may have.
>
> Those Swen posts are 144 KB. So, they will not download. Naturally, if
> you expect a large post, such as one with a legitimate attachment, then
> you must disable that rule before it is sent to you. Otherwise, you will
> never see it. (Update: Your ISP may STILL have them at their "E-Mail on
> the WEB". So? Go do it there too.)
>
> However, the fake "returned mail" posts will still get through. They
> seem to be far fewer, & certainly are quicker to download. These also
> are a danger, if they contain an attachment. Just delete them, or create
> a rule to delete them automatically. It seems to work to...
>
> Conditions:
> Where the To line contains people.
> Where the message has an attachment.
>
> Actions:
> Delete it.
> Stop processing more rules.
>
> Description:
> Click "Contains people". Have it select all posts that do not have you
> in the "To" field. (Mine says "Does not contain 'PCR'".)
>
> Move the rule up, if necessary, to just below the other.
>
> Now these smaller mail will all go into your "Deleted Items" folder.
> When you are sure nothing of value is in there, R-Clk the folder &
> select "Empty...".
>
> They can safely be viewed (to see nothing of importance is there) by
> "R-Clk Deleted Items, Find", & check the "Received before" box. If the
> Headers don't say it all, then "R-Clk one of them, Properties, Details
> button, View Source" is very safe to do.
>
> | Angel
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:uJhbZ6V0HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |> Angel wrote:
> |> | Hi,
> |> | I just hope that Eduardo does not try to use the software that
> |> | came with his DSL package.
> |>
> |> Judging from Brian A.'s experience, it's best not to install anything
> |> that may require AT&T help. NetZero actually scans incoming E-Mail
> |> with Norton, looks like, at their server. I certainly haven't had to
> |> download Norton for it. However, NetZero doesn't scan WEB pages for
> |> me-- only avast! does that.
> |>
> |> | The AT&T keeps sending me email trying to
> |> | get me to download their Virus scan and other stuff. I will not do
> |> | it. Every once in a while their repair tool comes up because
> |> | something goofs. I don't do it. The situation I was in goes away
> |> | almost as soon as it happened. Sometimes all it takes is to quit
> |> | the program I am using or restart the computer. I would be leery
> |> | that I would really get into trouble using their repair tool. I
> |> | would rather ask in this discussion group when problems arise.
> |>
> |> Yea. Sounds best to do it on your own or with the NG, if you can
> |> connect, instead of with AT&T. NetZero has help screens I can use
> |> offline.
> |>
> |> | You have to do a
> |> | custom install when you install the modem. You do not need all the
> |> | programs that the AT&T want you to download. That probably goes
> |> | with any Internet Provider. Angel
> |>
> |> Sounds like that's the way to go, yea-- God bless the user who can
> |> fix hir own!
> |>
> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> | news:exWKmGV0HHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> |> |> Eduardo wrote:
> |> |> | TO : Angel, Gary,Pcr / ron/mart/curt
> |> |> | Thank you very much for your help just for the fact of taking
> |> |> | the time
> |> |>
> |> |> You are welcome.
> |> |>
> |> |> | to help me out finding out things for me and really guiding me
> |> |> | with this issue out thanks allot from now on I'am going to
> |> |> | bother you guys for help specially with my new vista system
> |> |> | which i have a few things that drives me crazy
> |> |>
> |> |> We don't want to go crazy or become irradiated with Vista,
> |> |> either! Or XP!
> |> |>
> |> |> | I'am going to try all of this tomorrow to see if something
> |> |> | works or what I'am doing wrong I have to make it work now for
> |> |> | sure
> |> |>
> |> |> I'll continue to look in & try to help, but so far I haven't seen
> |> |> anything I can sink my teeth into. (I've never actually installed
> |> |> a modem.) The others do seem to be on to something, though.
> |> |>
> |> |> | thanks and i can't believe there's people so nice like you guys
> |> |> | willing to give a helping hand
> |> |> |

> |> |> |
> |> |> | Ac
> |> |> |
> |> |> |
> |> |> |
> |> |> |
> |> |> | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> |> |> |
> |> |> |> Have you seen this?
> |> |> |>
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://onlinehelp.verizon.net/consumer/bin/pdf/VersaLink327WGatewayQuickStartGuide.pdf
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> Right there on page 4, it states that the modem is compatible
> |> |> |> with all Windows 9x editions. Also, the address they say is
> |> |> |> default for that modem's access is
> |> |> |> http://dslrouter or http://192.168.1.1
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> --
> |> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
> |> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/User
> |> |> |> www.grystmill.com
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> |> |> |> news:1B4D5C9B-60AD-4E24-8E1F-F5D0DE5BEAB9@microsoft.com...
> |> |> |> > yes angle is a westell versalink 327
> |> |> |> > because i really want to see if it works I post the question
> |> |> |> > here
> |> |> |> >
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18761048-WIN-98-Can-i-make-it-work-with-my-327W30-modem
> |> |> |> >
> |> |> |> >
> |> |> |> > "Angel" wrote:
> |> |> |> >
> |> |> |> >> Hi Eduardo,
> |> |> |> >> You mentioned the make of the modem. What is the model?
> |> |> |> >> Are you sure it
> |> |> |> >> is westrell versalink and not westell versalink? I went to
> |> |> |> >> the website of the Westell company. They make a lot of
> |> |> |> >> Modems. When I tried to go to the westrell website, there
> |> |> |> >> were no modems listed. Did you get it from Verison?
> |> |> |> >> When I went to Yahoo Search it has only 2 links listed.
> |> |> |> >> Again as you were asked from the experts list your make and
> |> |> |> >> modell of the modem. Well, I have to get off because of
> |> |> |> >> a thunder storm is moving in. A severe one.
> |> |> |> >> Angel
> |> |> |> >>
> |> |> |> >> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> |> |> |> >> message
> |> |> |> >> news:2470C5F1-4799-416F-9AD1-0722E59C5912@microsoft.com...
> |> |> |> >> > Angel now that you tell me that your dsl modem works with
> |> |> |> >> > w98 i really want to know how can i get online with
> |> |> |> >> > another modem like you are doing ?? my
> |> |> |> >> > wireless modem is westrell versalink /is not be able to
> |> |> |> >> > comunicate with wi98 ( we tried the ethernet port we
> |> |> |> >> > tried to change the renew and remove all
> |> |> |> >> the
> |> |> |> >> > ip addreses we restart the pc and nothing maybe this is
> |> |> |> >> > the real problem
> |> |> |> >> the
> |> |> |> >> > modem and not att
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> > --------------------------
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> > > You may see it as being rude, I look at it as being
> |> |> |> >> > > aggressive to pound the point into their thick skulls.
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> > OK
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> > > This is your first mention of wireless
> |> |> |> >> > WELL IM SORRY
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> > and usb,
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> > HE TOLD THAT MAYBE BECAUSE MY MODEM DOESN'T HAVE A USB
> |> |> |> >> > CABLE IS NOT CAPABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH 98 TROUGHT
> |> |> |> >> > ANOTHER PORT INSTEAD OF THE ETHERNET CABLE
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> > both are critical details you
> |> |> |> >> > > failed to provide previously.
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> >

DONT HATE ME MAN
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> >
> |> |> |> >> > thanks for the help i really appreciated
> |> |> |> >> > > > thank you very much
> |> |>
> |> |> --
> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> |> PCR
> |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

PCR · Jul 30, 2007

Angel wrote:
| Hi PCR,
| I did this in my Outlook Express using SBC. I cannot do this in
| the other email address I have. The only thing I did different is put
| it in a bulk folder and flag it. That way, I can find out if it is
| from someone I know. If it isn't I will delete it then. The rest are
| Web Mail accounts. I set them all up for text only.

That sounds good. I think you've got it covered, then. Very good. It is
a pity, though, we must turn off various features such as HTML in
E-Mail-- JUST because there is a rat/two out there trying to give us a
virus!

| Angel
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:OALCTmg0HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> Angel wrote:
|> | Thanks PCR,
|> | I can always go to the dial up if I need to get off a message
|> | or email to shout for help if I have a problem. I never disabled
|> | my dial up modem. So all I have to do is unplug the DSL modem and
|> | plug in the dial up cord to the phone line. I tried it and it
|> | works.
|>
|> Very good, Angel. Never burn the bridges behind you. And don't burn
|> your britches, either, before taking them off! That's the mistake
|> Terhune often makes!
|>
|> | It did when
|> | I checked it out right after I got the DSL. Yahoo scans their
|> | email.I think it is Norton. I have some other email boxes. I do
|> | not trust them. I get a lot of junk mail in them. Even when I did
|> | not open their email, I was getting Trojans. That was a while back.
|>
|> Well, I'm glad that stopped happening. I do recall a while back there
|> was a horrible episode of a ton of spam in everyone's E-Mail. I was
|> getting hundreds! That went on for a week at least, before ISP's
|> regained control. Now, every now & then, I get a message from NetZero
|> that spam was prevented from entering my mailbox. I still get
|> unsolicited stuff, but it's much, much less! And I have OE message
|> rules that prevents much of it from coming & puts the rest in Deleted
|> Items...!...
|>
|> I only had two posts in any of my IE folders larger than 90 KB. One
|> had an attachment. The other was HTML with a picture inside. The
|> largest post on this NG in my 40 days of download is 58 KB. So, I
|> feel it is acceptable to...
|>
|> (1) "OE, Tools menu, Message Rules, Mail".
|> (2) Check "Where the message size is more than size" in first window.
|> (3) Check "Delete it from server" in second window.
|> (4) Check "stop processing more rules"
|> (5) Click "Size" in third window, & set it to 100 KB.
|> (6 Use the "Move up" button to move this rule to the top of any other
|> rule you may have.
|>
|> Those Swen posts are 144 KB. So, they will not download. Naturally,
|> if you expect a large post, such as one with a legitimate
|> attachment, then you must disable that rule before it is sent to
|> you. Otherwise, you will never see it. (Update: Your ISP may STILL
|> have them at their "E-Mail on the WEB". So? Go do it there too.)
|>
|> However, the fake "returned mail" posts will still get through. They
|> seem to be far fewer, & certainly are quicker to download. These also
|> are a danger, if they contain an attachment. Just delete them, or
|> create a rule to delete them automatically. It seems to work to...
|>
|> Conditions:
|> Where the To line contains people.
|> Where the message has an attachment.
|>
|> Actions:
|> Delete it.
|> Stop processing more rules.
|>
|> Description:
|> Click "Contains people". Have it select all posts that do not have
|> you in the "To" field. (Mine says "Does not contain 'PCR'".)
|>
|> Move the rule up, if necessary, to just below the other.
|>
|> Now these smaller mail will all go into your "Deleted Items" folder.
|> When you are sure nothing of value is in there, R-Clk the folder &
|> select "Empty...".
|>
|> They can safely be viewed (to see nothing of importance is there) by
|> "R-Clk Deleted Items, Find", & check the "Received before" box. If
|> the Headers don't say it all, then "R-Clk one of them, Properties,
|> Details button, View Source" is very safe to do.
|>
|> | Angel
|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:uJhbZ6V0HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |> Angel wrote:
|> |> | Hi,
|> |> | I just hope that Eduardo does not try to use the software
|> |> | that came with his DSL package.
|> |>
|> |> Judging from Brian A.'s experience, it's best not to install
|> |> anything that may require AT&T help. NetZero actually scans
|> |> incoming E-Mail with Norton, looks like, at their server. I
|> |> certainly haven't had to download Norton for it. However, NetZero
|> |> doesn't scan WEB pages for me-- only avast! does that.
|> |>
|> |> | The AT&T keeps sending me email trying to
|> |> | get me to download their Virus scan and other stuff. I will not
|> |> | do it. Every once in a while their repair tool comes up because
|> |> | something goofs. I don't do it. The situation I was in goes away
|> |> | almost as soon as it happened. Sometimes all it takes is to quit
|> |> | the program I am using or restart the computer. I would be leery
|> |> | that I would really get into trouble using their repair tool. I
|> |> | would rather ask in this discussion group when problems arise.
|> |>
|> |> Yea. Sounds best to do it on your own or with the NG, if you can
|> |> connect, instead of with AT&T. NetZero has help screens I can use
|> |> offline.
|> |>
|> |> | You have to do a
|> |> | custom install when you install the modem. You do not need all
|> |> | the programs that the AT&T want you to download. That probably
|> |> | goes with any Internet Provider. Angel
|> |>
|> |> Sounds like that's the way to go, yea-- God bless the user who can
|> |> fix hir own!
|> |>
|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> | news:exWKmGV0HHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> Eduardo wrote:
|> |> |> | TO : Angel, Gary,Pcr / ron/mart/curt
|> |> |> | Thank you very much for your help just for the fact of taking
|> |> |> | the time
|> |> |>
|> |> |> You are welcome.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | to help me out finding out things for me and really guiding
|> |> |> | me with this issue out thanks allot from now on I'am going to
|> |> |> | bother you guys for help specially with my new vista system
|> |> |> | which i have a few things that drives me crazy
|> |> |>
|> |> |> We don't want to go crazy or become irradiated with Vista,
|> |> |> either! Or XP!
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | I'am going to try all of this tomorrow to see if something
|> |> |> | works or what I'am doing wrong I have to make it work now for
|> |> |> | sure
|> |> |>
|> |> |> I'll continue to look in & try to help, but so far I haven't
|> |> |> seen anything I can sink my teeth into. (I've never actually
|> |> |> installed a modem.) The others do seem to be on to something,
|> |> |> though.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | thanks and i can't believe there's people so nice like you
|> |> |> | guys willing to give a helping hand
|> |> |> |

|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | Ac
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> Have you seen this?
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://onlinehelp.verizon.net/consumer/bin/pdf/VersaLink327WGatewayQuickStartGuide.pdf
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> Right there on page 4, it states that the modem is
|> |> |> |> compatible with all Windows 9x editions. Also, the address
|> |> |> |> they say is default for that modem's access is
|> |> |> |> http://dslrouter or http://192.168.1.1
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> --
|> |> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> |> |> www.grystmill.com
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
|> |> |> |> message
|> |> |> |> news:1B4D5C9B-60AD-4E24-8E1F-F5D0DE5BEAB9@microsoft.com...
|> |> |> |> > yes angle is a westell versalink 327
|> |> |> |> > because i really want to see if it works I post the
|> |> |> |> > question here
|> |> |> |> >
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18761048-WIN-98-Can-i-make-it-work-with-my-327W30-modem
|> |> |> |> >
|> |> |> |> >
|> |> |> |> > "Angel" wrote:
|> |> |> |> >
|> |> |> |> >> Hi Eduardo,
|> |> |> |> >> You mentioned the make of the modem. What is the
|> |> |> |> >> model? Are you sure it
|> |> |> |> >> is westrell versalink and not westell versalink? I went
|> |> |> |> >> to the website of the Westell company. They make a lot of
|> |> |> |> >> Modems. When I tried to go to the westrell website, there
|> |> |> |> >> were no modems listed. Did you get it from Verison?
|> |> |> |> >> When I went to Yahoo Search it has only 2 links listed.
|> |> |> |> >> Again as you were asked from the experts list your make
|> |> |> |> >> and modell of the modem. Well, I have to get off
|> |> |> |> >> because of
|> |> |> |> >> a thunder storm is moving in. A severe one.
|> |> |> |> >> Angel
|> |> |> |> >>
|> |> |> |> >> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
|> |> |> |> >> message
|> |> |> |> >>
news:2470C5F1-4799-416F-9AD1-0722E59C5912@microsoft.com...
|> |> |> |> >> > Angel now that you tell me that your dsl modem works
|> |> |> |> >> > with w98 i really want to know how can i get online
|> |> |> |> >> > with another modem like you are doing ?? my
|> |> |> |> >> > wireless modem is westrell versalink /is not be able to
|> |> |> |> >> > comunicate with wi98 ( we tried the ethernet port we
|> |> |> |> >> > tried to change the renew and remove all
|> |> |> |> >> the
|> |> |> |> >> > ip addreses we restart the pc and nothing maybe this is
|> |> |> |> >> > the real problem
|> |> |> |> >> the
|> |> |> |> >> > modem and not att
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> > --------------------------
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> > > You may see it as being rude, I look at it as being
|> |> |> |> >> > > aggressive to pound the point into their thick
|> |> |> |> >> > > skulls.
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> > OK
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> > > This is your first mention of wireless
|> |> |> |> >> > WELL IM SORRY
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> > and usb,
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> > HE TOLD THAT MAYBE BECAUSE MY MODEM DOESN'T HAVE A USB
|> |> |> |> >> > CABLE IS NOT CAPABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH 98 TROUGHT
|> |> |> |> >> > ANOTHER PORT INSTEAD OF THE ETHERNET CABLE
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> > both are critical details you
|> |> |> |> >> > > failed to provide previously.
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> >

DONT HATE ME MAN
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> >
|> |> |> |> >> > thanks for the help i really appreciated
|> |> |> |> >> > > > thank you very much
|> |> |>
|> |> |> --
|> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> |> PCR
|> |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) · Aug 1, 2007

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:16:04 -0700, Eduardo

>I have this old pcs in my house both are mickey mouse brands

All brands are mickey mouse, it's the specs that count -)

>but I have a few files I want to get out of thme. this files are
>mostly personal info that's why I haven't forget this PCS for all
>the sensitive info I have there, I even changed the power supply
>in one of them to make sure I always see my files print them etc,

I'm with you so far important data on old PCs, OK.

>I rather have those files there in my old w98 that
>has no access to the net than here in this new pc
>which is always online.

I'm with you too keep vital data away from Internet access.

>But like we all know we can't depend on those old machines

At some point, they will fail, yes.

>I want to get online with those PCs windows 98 and send me a
>few emails with this word and excel files.

That's where I'm not with you I would not do this.

You have a "data island" problem systems with data that you need, but
ways to exchange data with those systems is the problem.

Exposing the process to the risks of Internet access doesn't seem a
good way to solve this, and email may not scale up to handling the
amount of material involved.

What I would do, is pull the HDs from the old PCs, drop them into the
new one while the new one is offline, then slurp everything over.

There are skills needed to do this safely, and if you're able to
change PSUs, you probably have these skills. Things like not booting
the wrong HD, making sure mains is disconnected before chaing
hardware, making sure you can "see" all files, etc.

Else a less risky variation might be to drop the old HDs into an
external HD enclosure and then read them from the new PC via USB.

Other approaches are:
- removable disks 1.44M, CDR, USB, SD cards in card reader
- LAN and F&PS via read-only shares on the Win98 PCs
- various "direct cable connect" strategies

Win98 has no generic "USB storage device" support, but several card
readers and USB sticks do include Win98 drivers, or have these
available for download. I'd prefer a Win98-supported card reader and
SD cards (especially if I had a camera that also uses these) to a USB
stick with drivers, then another USB stick with different drivers,
etc. Once Win98 can "see" a card reader, it can "see" as many
different SD cards as you can throw at it -)

You say your new PC is "always online" is that via a router? If so,
then you can connect the Win98 PCs to that. You may have to get a LAN
card for the old PCs, but they are cheap check that they have Win98
drivers, though, before you buy them.

For safety, I would disconnect the router from the Internet before
connecting the old PCs to the router, else they would potentially be
as exposed to the Internet as they are to the new PC.

Having said that, Win9x is fundamentally safer than NT/2000/XP/Vista
when plugged into the 'net, as long as no Internet apps are running
and you are not write-sharing anything via F&PS. Unlike the NT
family, Win9x is not written to be a network chew-toy (sorry,
"client") and doesn't wave as many services at the Internet for any
entity to take a crack at exploiting. No Lovesan, no Sasser, etc.

>--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
To one who only has a hammer,
everything looks like a nail
>--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -

Dan · Aug 4, 2007

Wow, Congratulations on being an MVP for a decade, Ron. <smile>

"Ron Badour" wrote:

> Use a thumb drive or floppy disk to transfer files.
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Ron Badour
> MS MVP 1997 - 2007
>
>
> "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2D3EF0A5-AAF3-4A86-BD67-39D51CF1E90B@microsoft.com...
> >I have this old pcs in my house both are mickey mouse brands but I have a
> >few
> > files I want to get out of thme. this files are mostly personal info
> > that's
> > why I haven't forget this PCS for all the sensitive info I have there, I
> > even
> > changed the power supply in one of them to make sure I always see my files
> > print them etc, honestly I rather have those files there in my old w98
> > that
> > has no access to the net than here in this new pc which is always online.
> >
> > But like we all know we can't depend on those old machines I want to get
> > online with those PCs windows 98 and send me a few emails with this word
> > and
> > excel files.
> >
> > I tried to connect last night I even install the att setup cd twice and
> > nothing happens only an error unable to read the modem (the att modem) and
> > att's number.
> >
> > I called and they told me because Microsoft doesn't support 98 anymore,is
> > unsafe,and old.... they can't help me and their modems don't support any
> > old
> > systems soooooo they say I'm never going to be able to go online with this
> > pcs
> > I called 3 times and the 3 persons told me that it makes sense but come
> > on!! Is there something i can do? to get online ????
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Dan · Aug 4, 2007

AVG is my favorite since I did not like the interface of Avast. I used to
use AntiVir which was okay but not as good as AVG in my opinion. The really
nice thing about AVG is that it uses only a small amount of resources and
removes registry entries when you unistall it. I think all programs should
automatically remove everything including registry entries when the programs
are unistalled.

"Angel" wrote:

> Hi PCR,
> I also had problem with McAfee updates, that is why I got Avast! as
> virus scan. By the way, about Avast! I had to uninstall and reinstall
> Avast!. I had a problem after deleting some files and tried to fix the
> registry, It did not work. Then something messed up my computer. I had to
> go back to a backup and when I did, I was not able to access Avast! I am
> glad I have the back up system even though it backs up on the same machine.
> I had to reinstall Avast!. You were saying something about the ball with a
> line through it. When I reinstalled it, I wound up with 2 balls one with a
> line, or (i) and one with an (a). I then remembered I had merged the two. I
> merged the 2 again and I have 1 only with an (a). Just thought I would tell
> you about it. Too bad about you being charged for the phone call with
> NetZero. That is why I got the Ultimate with PeoplePC. It is a little more
> expensive but you are not charged for tech support phone calls. I was paying
> $12.95. Their regular PeoplePC online is $9.95 I think. You then pay for
> tech support by the minute. If you want to get the PeoplePC Ultimate you
> just call 1 800 Peoplepc they will send a disk.
> Angel
>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:u1UUgF8zHHA.1100@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > Angel wrote:
> > | Eduardo,
> > | What type of modem do you have? I have an external modem
> > | w/router that I got from ATT. I ordered it on line from them. That
> > | way you don't need to tell them you have W98. I think that even their
> > | regular modem works the same. The one with the router acts as a
> > | firewall. I just did not use their disk that came with the modem. I
> > | do not use any of their stuff, such as their virus scanner, etc. You
> > | need someone that is in this group to help you figure out the real
> > | problem. I have ATT DSL. If you have dial up modem you will have to
> > | get another provider. I had PeoplePC until I switched to ATT DSL, PCR
> > | has NetZero. These are inexpensive. Angel
> >
> > Right. And NetZero's customer support also was lacking. HOWEVER, I never
> > will have an epileptic fit of anger like Brian A.-- because they added a
> > month to my subscription to compensate the expense of the call. It was
> > McAfee's auto-System scan causing the problem! But NetZero just kept
> > having me play with their own settings!
> >
> > | "Eduardo" <Eduardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > | news:BAFF4318-5C58-4921-9BBA-1F08B144A1F1@microsoft.com...
> > |> 1 Thanks for your responses
> > |> well there's no way I can get the computer to work with the ethernet
> > |> of my modem i spoke with att again and only bacause i was rude they
> > |> help this time.
> > |>
> > |> and is no way possible this modems can work with windows 98 we did
> > |> eveything i spend 40 minutes with the guy in the philipines only
> > |> because most of the iwireless modems don't have usb ports this pc
> > |> only can get online trought dial up mode
> > |>
> > |> well a least i got online for a few minutes and send a few files to
> > |> my msn account but thanks for the help i really appreciated
> > |> thank you very much
> > |> "Angel" wrote:
> >
> > --
> > Thanks or Good Luck,
> > There may be humor in this post, and,
> > Naturally, you will not sue,
> > Should things get worse after this,
> > PCR
> > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> >
> >
>
>
>

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